(07-02-2015 04:53 PM)FourToTheFloor Wrote:  Ideas for when a girl agrees to get drinks and then when you hit her up for the phone number you get radio silence?

This kind of thing happens all the time. Just find another girl and take her out.

(07-03-2015 02:20 PM)Remington Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 04:53 PM)FourToTheFloor Wrote:  Ideas for when a girl agrees to get drinks and then when you hit her up for the phone number you get radio silence?

This kind of thing happens all the time. Just find another girl and take her out.

I found my fifth that I am working and I think that is a sweet spot number. For my part it is all I have time for at the moment and it doesn't feel like a huge time sink, but I'm hoping that the probability of a five-way flake is fairly low.

My experience has been that it can be difficult to get a girl to talk on the phone, but a phone talk is like a first date if it's done well. When the meetup is planned she will often invite me over to her place instead of having a "second" date in public.

However, some girls hate the idea of talking on the phone so it's best to meet up. I still always try to get the number. But occasionally I will forgo the number but the meetup spot will be near my place so it's minimal investment.

If she won't meet up, did you guys talk on the phone? Talking on the phone is a CRITICAL tool for certain situations.

Here's how you get out of alpha Hell with online game:
1. Set a limit to the number of messages before you get the number. It can be 1 year if you only sent 3 messages. But 20 messages in 1 week is not ok. It's not how much time, it's how many messages. After a certain number of messages she puts you in beta territory.

2. Once you have the number the timer resets and you once again have a certain number of texts before you enter beta mode. You need to talk on the phone or meetup in person to exit this phase. Don't underestimate the value of talking on the phone! I usually prefer to get a girl on the phone rather than meetup first.

3. Once again you have a timer such that you don't want to have a ton more texts or meetups before you escalate physically. Again, temporal time is not that important. It's how many texts/dates/calls that we are counting.

You have to continually be getting a return on your investment of time. Otherwise she will recognize you as beta. Alphas don't waste their time with people who don't give back to them.

Investment= how much total time you spend communicating with her counted in minutes. (1 text is about 3 minutes and the limit for each phase is about 30 to 45 minutes) This can be spread over months. If it's been two months but only two texts it's still a small investment. In fact it makes you look less needy if it's over a longer period of time.

(06-28-2015 10:40 AM)XPQ21 Wrote:  So I ditched the woman who was treating me as her iPhone boyfriend earlier than I expected today. I sent her a text last night with a simple request for us to work out at least the bare details of a meetup as soon as possible and she ignored it and went on to talk about some other stuff.

This morning I sent her a text saying that it had been my final request, that I thought she was just playing games and keeping me as a secondary option and good luck to you. She sent me an angry response saying I wasn't taking her needs into account and how some of the things I said were creepy and so on, but told me she did have some dates coming up she didn't feel she could cancel, basically confirming my suspicions. I then said basically "well yeah, I have needs also and you didn't really give a fuck about them at all. goodbye."

I'm kind of bummed because she was cute and had a great body. But she lived some distance from me, and while there are some advantages to that, right now it kind of feels like a pain in the ass.

Post game analysis: I probably could have set it up and had sex with her at least once, but I think I came off as too needy in pushing and pushing to set up a meet quickly? If I had just backed off a bit and ignored her for a while she might have been more receptive eventually as her other options might not pan out, but I don't know. If I backed off too much I think she would have lost interest rapidly, she's that type. I definitely think I texted with her too much and now I've wasted a bunch of my time. Lesson learned - the texting game rules really do need to be applied.

Because of the distance it probably would have required a lot of texting game, even had I been doing it properly, on and off over the next month as she worked her way through her other options and frankly I just don't have the energy for that. Maybe because of her iphone girl personality and the distance it was just DOA to start with.

What do you think, gentlemen? This was a rather stinging failure but I'm still kind of new. How can I do better in the future?

Edit: I also learned a thing I didn't know that I definitely need to keep in mind. I'm kind of older and I'm not really familiar with how women use their iPhones and such, so occasionally I send a text thinking it's like email or something in the middle of the night and they keep their devices off and they'll see it at work in the morning. Apparently this isn't the case, it looks like many women keep their iPhones powered up next to them ready to receive text notifications literally 24 hours a day 7 days a week. I found this out because this chick was pissy that I "woke her up" with a text in the middle of the night. I honestly couldn't believe that there are people who don't turn their notifications off even when they sleep. I don't think I even want to deal with people like that.

If she won't meet up, did you guys talk on the phone? Talking on the phone is a CRITICAL tool for certain situations.

Here's how you get out of Beta Hell with online game:
1. Set a limit to the number of messages before you get the number. It can be 1 year if you only sent 3 messages. But 20 messages in 1 week is not ok. It's not how much time, it's how many messages. After a certain number of messages she puts you in beta territory.

2. Once you have the number the timer resets and you once again have a certain number of texts before you enter beta mode. You need to talk on the phone or meetup in person to exit this phase. Don't underestimate the value of talking on the phone! I usually prefer to get a girl on the phone rather than meetup first.

3. Once again you have a timer such that you don't want to have a ton more texts or meetups before you escalate physically. Again, temporal time is not that important. It's how many texts/dates/calls that we are counting.

You have to continually be getting a return on your investment of time. Otherwise she will recognize you as beta. Alphas don't waste their time with people who don't give back to them.

Investment= how much total time you spend communicating with her counted in minutes. (1 text is about 3 minutes and the limit for each phase is about 30 to 45 minutes) This can be spread over months. If it's been two months but only two texts it's still a small investment. In fact it makes you look less needy if it's over a longer period of time.

Quote:If she won't meet up, did you guys talk on the phone? Talking on the phone is a CRITICAL tool for certain situations.

Yes, but even after the phone call she absolutely would not like, fucking pick a day that I suggested. Even several weeks out. Just wanted more and more texting...

(07-04-2015 02:16 AM)XPQ21 Wrote:  

Quote:If she won't meet up, did you guys talk on the phone? Talking on the phone is a CRITICAL tool for certain situations.

Yes, but even after the phone call she absolutely would not like, fucking pick a day that I suggested. Even several weeks out. Just wanted more and more texting...

A friend of mind brought to me that most online chicks have issues. He's met quite a few and I've heard some insane stories about these girls. Anyways, with this one I think she's wasting your time. If you're just looking to bang her, it seems like she won't be that easy to get out in the first place. If she hasn't countered with a free day or an invitation...she's not down. I've had leads that have left me no counter offers.

The girls that are likely down are the ones you can number close quickly and get them on the phone.

(07-04-2015 03:13 AM)~wrIghter~ Wrote:  

(07-04-2015 02:16 AM)XPQ21 Wrote:  

Quote:If she won't meet up, did you guys talk on the phone? Talking on the phone is a CRITICAL tool for certain situations.

Yes, but even after the phone call she absolutely would not like, fucking pick a day that I suggested. Even several weeks out. Just wanted more and more texting...

A friend of mind brought to me that most online chicks have issues. He's met quite a few and I've heard some insane stories about these girls. Anyways, with this one I think she's wasting your time. If you're just looking to bang her, it seems like she won't be that easy to get out in the first place. If she hasn't countered with a free day or an invitation...she's not down. I've had leads that have left me no counter offers.

The girls that are likely down are the ones you can number close quickly and get them on the phone.

Yeah, I already gave up a while back. I've met a few online chicks in the past that were actually pretty sane and chill, and some of them are still "friends" with me, but it does take some effort to find them.

(07-04-2015 03:13 AM)~wrIghter~ Wrote:  

(07-04-2015 02:16 AM)XPQ21 Wrote:  

Quote:If she won't meet up, did you guys talk on the phone? Talking on the phone is a CRITICAL tool for certain situations.

Yes, but even after the phone call she absolutely would not like, fucking pick a day that I suggested. Even several weeks out. Just wanted more and more texting...

A friend of mind brought to me that most online chicks have issues. He's met quite a few and I've heard some insane stories about these girls. Anyways, with this one I think she's wasting your time. If you're just looking to bang her, it seems like she won't be that easy to get out in the first place. If she hasn't countered with a free day or an invitation...she's not down. I've had leads that have left me no counter offers.

The girls that are likely down are the ones you can number close quickly and get them on the phone.

Roosh wrote a post a while back about the "mistake buffer" that women give you - the number of screwups they'll tolerate before they say "this guy is an awkward loser" and bounce you. In real life you get a couple of chances.

Online, I've found that since there's so much attention, the "mistake buffer" is extremly shallow. For "6-es" and above, who are actually interested in meeting, prior to the meet it seems to be essentially one mistake. One lame joke, sexual remark that comes off the wrong way, needy sounding text, slip in the witty banter that causes her panties to stop being wet for longer than 60 seconds, or indication that you're also an actual human with feelings, needs and desires, and she's outta there, never to return. Happened to me again the other day - it's actually a little scary in that sometimes you can sense real hostility and anger when she finds out you're a guy who isn't going to play things exactly her way. It seems some of them must have been sucked up to by thirsty dudes for so long on there that they really don't have a clue anymore.

I talked with a chick who said she'd been on the site for 7 fucking years...what does that kind of constant asskissing and validation over years do to a person? In reality, I think that some of them are self-aware enough to realize that all the years on dating sites have broken them in some way, and that they're no longer LTR material for anyone.

I'm not overly cynical about it (yet), it just seems to be the way some people behave when they're given that kind of constant validation. I mean, I guess learning not to slip up is actually decent practice. I've come to learn that a text that says "Great! We'll talk again tomorrow!" from a woman, prior to meeting her, is usually code for "You will never hear from me again", haha.

I've talked with some quite attractive women on the site who seemed to be more relaxed and give more chances. Unfortunately, I've come to understand that those are the ones who, unless the dude is precisely what they want, aren't really interested in meeting anyone.

(07-04-2015 10:29 AM)XPQ21 Wrote:  

(07-04-2015 03:13 AM)~wrIghter~ Wrote:  

(07-04-2015 02:16 AM)XPQ21 Wrote:  

Quote:If she won't meet up, did you guys talk on the phone? Talking on the phone is a CRITICAL tool for certain situations.

Yes, but even after the phone call she absolutely would not like, fucking pick a day that I suggested. Even several weeks out. Just wanted more and more texting...

A friend of mind brought to me that most online chicks have issues. He's met quite a few and I've heard some insane stories about these girls. Anyways, with this one I think she's wasting your time. If you're just looking to bang her, it seems like she won't be that easy to get out in the first place. If she hasn't countered with a free day or an invitation...she's not down. I've had leads that have left me no counter offers.

The girls that are likely down are the ones you can number close quickly and get them on the phone.

Roosh wrote a post a while back about the "mistake buffer" that women give you - the number of screwups they'll tolerate before they say "this guy is an awkward loser" and bounce you. In real life you get a couple of chances.

Online, I've found that since there's so much attention, the "mistake buffer" is extremly shallow. For "6-es" and above, who are actually interested in meeting, prior to the meet it seems to be essentially one mistake. One lame joke, sexual remark that comes off the wrong way, needy sounding text, slip in the witty banter that causes her panties to stop being wet for longer than 60 seconds, or indication that you're also an actual human with feelings, needs and desires, and she's outta there, never to return. Happened to me again the other day.

I'm not overly cynical about it (yet), it just seems to be the way some people behave when they're given that kind of constant validation. I mean, I guess learning not to slip up is actually decent practice.

I've come to learn that a text that says "Great! We'll talk again tomorrow!" from a woman, prior to meeting her, is usually code for "You will never hear from me again", haha.

I've talked with some quite attractive women on the site who seemed to be more relaxed and give more chances. Unfortunately, I've come to understand that those are the ones who, unless the dude is precisely what they want, aren't really interested in meeting anyone.

I want one of you guys to give me a rep point for this one after you get laid. Don't use it and forget where this simple one came from.

This technique works for players who play a longer more calculated game. It is not designed to get a tinder slut on your doorstep the same night. However, this technique will land the girls on your doorstep who otherwise would have blown you off. Figure out which type she is and activate the proper technique accordingly. I have more fun and greater satisfaction getting the girls who otherwise would have gotten away. So how do you do it? Easy!
Reel them in slowly and let them swim to your boat while you keep them on the line. This can take anywhere from days to a week plus. Engage them in enough text banter over the course of days while mentioning how you should do such and such but never invite them. Keep them up to date with all of the cool things you are doing every day or so. Have them reporting in as well all the while you treat them like they are in your harem although you have never met. Make sure you have lots of interactions followed by a day or two of dead silence and then fire it up full throttle. Send pics. Demand nudes. Tell her the bullshit she longs to hear. Most of these women profess their love to me before I fuck them. After 4-10 days of this they are going absolute nuts. They are practically begging to come to your place at this point. I have a 100% success close rate with these scenarios. If they show up at your place it's a done deal. If you don't bang then you beat yourself. This type of game is best played by guys who can see the bigger picture and don't mind putting in some time. I enjoy this type of game myself as it is like a real life chess match and the prize is always worthy of the time required for this type of girl would most likely not fall into a zero date bang otherwise. You actually bang them on the first date but you have given them the feeling they have been in some sort of relationship for a long time. It's a win win. You get the thrill of the hunt and she gets plausible deniability.

Requires: ability for timely witty and sexual banter, master manipulation skills, patience, good lifestyle on your part to tempt her with and set the hook

Quote:I want one of you guys to give me a rep point for this one after you get laid. Don't use it and forget where this simple one came from.

This technique works for players who play a longer more calculated game. It is not designed to get a tinder slut on your doorstep the same night. However, this technique will land the girls on your doorstep who otherwise would have blown you off. Figure out which type she is and activate the proper technique accordingly. I have more fun and greater satisfaction getting the girls who otherwise would have gotten away. So how do you do it? Easy!
Reel them in slowly and let them swim to your boat while you keep them on the line. This can take anywhere from days to a week plus. Engage them in enough text banter over the course of days while mentioning how you should do such and such but never invite them. Keep them up to date with all of the cool things you are doing every day or so. Have them reporting in as well all the while you treat them like they are in your harem although you have never met. Make sure you have lots of interactions followed by a day or two of dead silence and then fire it up full throttle. Send pics. Demand nudes. Tell her the bullshit she longs to hear. Most of these women profess their love to me before I fuck them. After 4-10 days of this they are going absolute nuts. They are practically begging to come to your place at this point. I have a 100% success close rate with these scenarios. If they show up at your place it's a done deal. If you don't bang then you beat yourself. This type of game is best played by guys who can see the bigger picture and don't mind putting in some time. I enjoy this type of game myself as it is like a real life chess match and the prize is always worthy of the time required for this type of girl would most likely not fall into a zero date bang otherwise. You actually bang them on the first date but you have given them the feeling they have been in some sort of relationship for a long time. It's a win win. You get the thrill of the hunt and she gets plausible deniability.

Requires: ability for timely witty and sexual banter, master manipulation skills, patience, good lifestyle on your part to tempt her with and set the hook

Ok, well, maybe. I've tried this sort of thing before and once it starts to go on for a week or more it starts becoming abundantly clear that they're molding you into their beta texting "conversation" buddy. Pretty soon past that point they're asking you to exchange Facebook accounts and wanting you to do favors and shit for them while they still don't want to meet and are off banging other dudes. Forget it.

Maybe I'm just playing it wrong by texting a bit too often, or not escalating sexually in the right way. Hmm.

One thing I know I've done in the past that is certainly bad is attempt to escalate sexually, and then get scared when she goes radio silent for a while afterwards and then try to backpedal. I need to stop it, but escalating with the hotter chicks via text doesn't come natural because I still have this self esteem thing where I've somehow internalized that they're "out of my league" or whatever.

(07-04-2015 12:19 PM)XPQ21 Wrote:  

Quote:I want one of you guys to give me a rep point for this one after you get laid. Don't use it and forget where this simple one came from.

This technique works for players who play a longer more calculated game. It is not designed to get a tinder slut on your doorstep the same night. However, this technique will land the girls on your doorstep who otherwise would have blown you off. Figure out which type she is and activate the proper technique accordingly. I have more fun and greater satisfaction getting the girls who otherwise would have gotten away. So how do you do it? Easy!
Reel them in slowly and let them swim to your boat while you keep them on the line. This can take anywhere from days to a week plus. Engage them in enough text banter over the course of days while mentioning how you should do such and such but never invite them. Keep them up to date with all of the cool things you are doing every day or so. Have them reporting in as well all the while you treat them like they are in your harem although you have never met. Make sure you have lots of interactions followed by a day or two of dead silence and then fire it up full throttle. Send pics. Demand nudes. Tell her the bullshit she longs to hear. Most of these women profess their love to me before I fuck them. After 4-10 days of this they are going absolute nuts. They are practically begging to come to your place at this point. I have a 100% success close rate with these scenarios. If they show up at your place it's a done deal. If you don't bang then you beat yourself. This type of game is best played by guys who can see the bigger picture and don't mind putting in some time. I enjoy this type of game myself as it is like a real life chess match and the prize is always worthy of the time required for this type of girl would most likely not fall into a zero date bang otherwise. You actually bang them on the first date but you have given them the feeling they have been in some sort of relationship for a long time. It's a win win. You get the thrill of the hunt and she gets plausible deniability.

Requires: ability for timely witty and sexual banter, master manipulation skills, patience, good lifestyle on your part to tempt her with and set the hook

I've did a good amount of this in the past, but I could see this working quite well. I'll definitely give this a shot.
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Ok, well, maybe. I've tried this sort of thing before and once it starts to go on for a week or more it starts becoming abundantly clear that they're molding you into their beta texting "conversation" buddy.

It all depends on how you steer it. I've found that most interested girls want to know what you're up to. I always take this as a sign they want to hang out. I think my only fail was sexualizing the convo.

Pretty soon past that point they're asking you to exchange Facebook accounts and wanting you to do favors and shit for them while they still don't want to meet and are off banging other dudes. Forget it.

I've seen this before, its funny because I used to be one of the guys trying to give them advice on how to handle their drama with cats they were banging.

Maybe I'm just playing it wrong by texting a bit too often, or not escalating sexually in the right way. Hmm.

I've almost got my texting under control, but I feel like I fucked up a pretty good lead because of random texting. Sexual escalation over text or on dates with these girls? I hadn't been out in a while but given the chance, you just know when to go for it. I'll admit fucking up here as well. Girls are just as sexual as men, we just have to act. If shes open to your touch, best to advance.

One thing I know I've done in the past that is certainly bad is attempt to escalate sexually, and then get scared when she goes radio silent for a while afterwards and then try to backpedal. I need to stop it, but escalating with the hotter chicks via text doesn't come natural because I still have this self esteem thing where I've somehow internalized that they're "out of my league" or whatever.

I've stopped seeing girls as out of my league. Go for what you want and make it happen. If you don't, you'll regret it and think about it until you have the next best option.

(07-04-2015 12:19 PM)XPQ21 Wrote:  

Quote:I want one of you guys to give me a rep point for this one after you get laid. Don't use it and forget where this simple one came from.

This technique works for players who play a longer more calculated game. It is not designed to get a tinder slut on your doorstep the same night. However, this technique will land the girls on your doorstep who otherwise would have blown you off. Figure out which type she is and activate the proper technique accordingly. I have more fun and greater satisfaction getting the girls who otherwise would have gotten away. So how do you do it? Easy!
Reel them in slowly and let them swim to your boat while you keep them on the line. This can take anywhere from days to a week plus. Engage them in enough text banter over the course of days while mentioning how you should do such and such but never invite them. Keep them up to date with all of the cool things you are doing every day or so. Have them reporting in as well all the while you treat them like they are in your harem although you have never met. Make sure you have lots of interactions followed by a day or two of dead silence and then fire it up full throttle. Send pics. Demand nudes. Tell her the bullshit she longs to hear. Most of these women profess their love to me before I fuck them. After 4-10 days of this they are going absolute nuts. They are practically begging to come to your place at this point. I have a 100% success close rate with these scenarios. If they show up at your place it's a done deal. If you don't bang then you beat yourself. This type of game is best played by guys who can see the bigger picture and don't mind putting in some time. I enjoy this type of game myself as it is like a real life chess match and the prize is always worthy of the time required for this type of girl would most likely not fall into a zero date bang otherwise. You actually bang them on the first date but you have given them the feeling they have been in some sort of relationship for a long time. It's a win win. You get the thrill of the hunt and she gets plausible deniability.

Requires: ability for timely witty and sexual banter, master manipulation skills, patience, good lifestyle on your part to tempt her with and set the hook

Ok, well, maybe. I've tried this sort of thing before and once it starts to go on for a week or more it starts becoming abundantly clear that they're molding you into their beta texting "conversation" buddy. Pretty soon past that point they're asking you to exchange Facebook accounts and wanting you to do favors and shit for them while they still don't want to meet and are off banging other dudes. Forget it.

Maybe I'm just playing it wrong by texting a bit too often, or not escalating sexually in the right way. Hmm.

One thing I know I've done in the past that is certainly bad is attempt to escalate sexually, and then get scared when she goes radio silent for a while afterwards and then try to backpedal. I need to stop it, but escalating with the hotter chicks via text doesn't come natural because I still have this self esteem thing where I've somehow internalized that they're "out of my league" or whatever.

This is somewhat intermediate level stuff. Sociopaths really can nail this technique. Haha. You need to be the master of your own domain along with having the abundance mentality. Get yourself to that point and try to put all of that negativity out of your mind. That ruins any chances you have. I turned this into a fun hobby that pays out great dividends. I can assure you that if you play it right you won't be her texting chump. You set the pace and control the dynamics. And most of all...just don't give a fuck. That's what gets them wet.

And most of all...just don't give a fuck. That's what gets them wet.

That is what we like to call maintaining frame. Nothing new.

(07-04-2015 11:26 PM)Remington Wrote:  And most of all...just don't give a fuck. That's what gets them wet.

That is what we like to call maintaining frame. Nothing new.

It seems so. Currently the "8" I've been talking with on one of the dating sites is still texting me daily without any action on my part, but for all my efforts won't provide me with contact info or give an inch.

I'm basically just ignoring her now. For me at least it feels "weird" to do that to a really attractive 20-something chick who apparently is getting openers from hundreds of other dudes...and it's fucking annoying because like, we both probably want the same thing and could have gone out five times in the time it has taken to do this little dance. I'm not sure if that's "maintaining frame", but I don't really know what else to do at this point!

How about sending her a message saying that you're leaving the site and giving her your number and telling her to text you if she wants to keep in touch? Then block her profile so you appear as if you left? I've gotten a few with this Hail Mary type of approach.

(07-05-2015 11:59 AM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  How about sending her a message saying that you're leaving the site and giving her your number and telling her to text you if she wants to keep in touch? Then block her profile so you appear as if you left? I've gotten a few with this Hail Mary type of approach.

Eh, I don't see what I have to lose. She's been changing her pictures up lately, adding yoga poses and so on. I think I may give that one a shot.

Frankly, I'm really starting to think she falls into the category of one of those girls who has had a falling out with her BF/fuckbuddy and is just on there to validate without wanting to really meet anyone. In a few weeks they'll have patched things up and she'll vanish so I'm not sure it matters what I do.

I've seen it before, and I have a couple of somewhat less attractive but much better options who actually do seem like they want to meet lined up anyway. Not gonna waste any more time.

(07-05-2015 12:57 PM)XPQ21 Wrote:  

(07-05-2015 11:59 AM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  How about sending her a message saying that you're leaving the site and giving her your number and telling her to text you if she wants to keep in touch? Then block her profile so you appear as if you left? I've gotten a few with this Hail Mary type of approach.

Eh, I don't see what I have to lose. She's been changing her pictures up lately, adding yoga poses and so on. I think I may give that one a shot.

Frankly, I'm really starting to think she falls into the category of one of those girls who has had a falling out with her BF/fuckbuddy and is just on there to validate without wanting to really meet anyone. In a few weeks they'll have patched things up and she'll vanish so I'm not sure it matters what I do.

I've seen it before, and I have a couple of somewhat less attractive but much better options who actually do seem like they want to meet lined up anyway. Not gonna waste any more time.

That is a great attitude. You have nothing to lose and no reason to give a fuck. Work the interactions with that mindset. Don't let excuses hide fear of rejection. Make people tell you no. You will be surprised how many extra notches seem to miraculously happen. Good luck!

XPQ21 were in the same boat buddy. I like the higher quality chicks. When you have a lead that's somewhat decent you want to get it while its hot. It sucks because of the amount of attention they get is insane and you may be buried at the bottom of the cue of potential suitors. I no longer carry on convos for too long on these apps because I know the deal. Some chicks are just bored and enjoy male attention.

(07-06-2015 04:56 PM)~wrIghter~ Wrote:  XPQ21 were in the same boat buddy. I like the higher quality chicks. When you have a lead that's somewhat decent you want to get it while its hot. It sucks because of the amount of attention they get is insane and you may be buried at the bottom of the cue of potential suitors. I no longer carry on convos for too long on these apps because I know the deal. Some chicks are just bored and enjoy male attention.

I'm having a lot of trouble at this point figuring out what to do once I get the phone number. We seem to have a great conversation on the site, they give me their number, and then it's like everything goes cold. I was supposed to get a call from a woman last night and she never did. Texted me at 12:30 AM "Oh hey, I'd really like to talk tomorrow, sorry I wasn't able to." I replied "Sure, OK."

I don't think I'll ever hear from her and I don't think there's much point in engaging further?

The level of flakery out there is unreal. I was flaked on by a dude today I was supposed to buy some stuff from Craigslist from. A DUDE! After I took the trouble to take two hours to set things up, get the cash to pay him, etc. for who knows what reason he blocked my number and won't reply to texts. Better offer, one would guess.

Fucking bullshit society. I do my best to have a sense of humor about it, however.

I normally do "pretty" good at not giving a fuck with what happens with these online girls but about a month ago I was texting with an Asian girl from OKC who looked to be a strong 8 or higher and it was impossible to get her out due to her "being so busy". We made tentative plans to meet during our lunch break for coffee, not my ideal logistics but I wanted to at least get in front of her. She ends up canceling saying she's sick and "everything is getting pushed back now." I said I would reach out to her closer to the weekend and when I pinged her again she gave me the "I'm already booked up for the next week" line.

Her attitude of entitlement and "the queen will see you now" got under my skin like no other woman in recent memory. The 8's and up who are actually open to meeting guys and not just attention whoring can literally be as picky and entitled as their imagination will take them. I deleted her number on the spot and she was one of the main reasons why I swore off online dating for now...

(07-06-2015 05:15 PM)XPQ21 Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 04:56 PM)~wrIghter~ Wrote:  XPQ21 were in the same boat buddy. I like the higher quality chicks. When you have a lead that's somewhat decent you want to get it while its hot. It sucks because of the amount of attention they get is insane and you may be buried at the bottom of the cue of potential suitors. I no longer carry on convos for too long on these apps because I know the deal. Some chicks are just bored and enjoy male attention.

I'm having a lot of trouble at this point figuring out what to do once I get the phone number. We seem to have a great conversation on the site, they give me their number, and then it's like everything goes cold. I was supposed to get a call from a woman last night and she never did. Texted me at 12:30 AM "Oh hey, I'd really like to talk tomorrow, sorry I wasn't able to." I replied "Sure, OK."

I don't think I'll ever hear from her and I don't think there's much point in engaging further?

The level of flakery out there is unreal. I was flaked on by a dude today I was supposed to buy some stuff from Craigslist from. A DUDE! After I took the trouble to take two hours to set things up, get the cash to pay him, etc. for who knows what reason he blocked my number and won't reply to texts. Better offer, one would guess.

Fucking bullshit society. I do my best to have a sense of humor about it, however.

When you get the phone number, it all resets. You re-open over the phone with something witty and she replies "Hey". Its just a matter of lightning the mood again and discuss something to get into and then logistics.

Can't build too much comfort over the phone, that's better done in person.

Flakiness is expected. I didn't want to accept it at first but it became a reality when I had been flaked on by three girls. All from online (this is not limited to online chicks either, cold approach girls go cold quicker)!

This when the Not Give A Fuck and Abundance mentality takes over. Its best that we don't let our desires cloud our judgement.

(07-06-2015 05:19 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  I normally do "pretty" good at not giving a fuck with what happens with these online girls but about a month ago I was texting with an Asian girl from OKC who looked to be a strong 8 or higher and it was impossible to get her out due to her "being so busy". We made tentative plans to meet during our lunch break for coffee, not my ideal logistics but I wanted to at least get in front of her. She ends up canceling saying she's sick and "everything is getting pushed back now." I said I would reach out to her closer to the weekend and when I pinged her again she gave me the "I'm already booked up for the next week" line.

She's a hot Asian on okc, probably with an insane amount of messages and some real heavy hitters waiting for their shot and to move up in the cue.

She's so busy with other dudes, that she finds it difficult to fit you in. The fact that she mentioned being "booked" means that you weren't of top priority in her cue. Competition is strong. I don't like to think about it much. We all like to feel like she wants our D, and not one of some wanna be 9/10 male model.

Her attitude of entitlement and "the queen will see you now" got under my skin like no other woman in recent memory. The 8's and up who are actually open to meeting guys and not just attention whoring can literally be as picky and entitled as their imagination will take them. I deleted her number on the spot and she was one of the main reasons why I swore off online dating for now...

This goes for the 7s as well. I don't usually delete numbers, I prefer to delete the conversations. Not everyone out their has game. Maybe they come back, maybe they don't.

I remember you reminding me not to be shocked if a girl goes ghost. It sucks because you'd really like to fuck that girl and the disappointment is all too real. This is where I am, even with options I'm not hitting them as hard for meetups, but letting them sit while I focus on other things.

Very true @Wrighter. Here in OC Cal the level of competition and thirst from dudes making more money in a year than I'll make in 10 is off the charts. The only saving grace is that many of these guys have bad or nonexistent game. In this particular bubble, Asian women are at the top of the food chain as far as the desirable women and I've heard countless stories from women who I've fucked telling me about all of the guys who drop suitcase loads of money on them. Unfortunately, the glut of these guys gums up the system and distracts the attention of the run of the mill 7+ Michael Kors watch wearing, LV bag carrying, bolt on breast equipped, Asian girl who "loves to travel" and works in some kind of marketing/ad agency and lives in Newport Beach and posts IG photos of themselves on yachts and Machu Picchu...

(07-06-2015 06:16 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  Very true @Wrighter. Here in OC Cal the level of competition and thirst from dudes making more money in a year than I'll make in 10 is off the charts. The only saving grace is that many of these guys have bad or nonexistent game. In this particular bubble, Asian women are at the top of the food chain as far as the desirable women and I've heard countless stories from women who I've fucked telling me about all of the guys who drop suitcase loads of money on them. Unfortunately, the glut of these guys gums up the system and distracts the attention of the run of the mill 7+ Michael Kors watch wearing, LV bag carrying, bolt on breast equipped, Asian girl who "loves to travel" and works in some kind of marketing/ad agency and lives in Newport Beach and posts IG photos of themselves on yachts and Machu Picchu...

Well, let those dudes drop their money. I've been going dutch on my dates!





"I treat a bitch like 7-Up: I never have, I never will!"

Online dating is fucking boring and it's not being a boss in any way shape or form, I have a friend who is 6'5" and jacked and just banged out a busted morbidly obese Indian chick without cause in my mind (they watched sitcoms afterwards) made me sick listening to the story.

Why subject yourself to limitations like online dating. I'm sure there are some diamonds in the rough but I think it's a total time kill unless your pipe-lining overseas for a short stay. There is no point to online dating. Think about it, if the girl is getting enough attention in the real world then why the fuck would she be online. You want a girl every man wants not just some rando attention whore who does not care enough about herself to garner enough attention in the real world that she is resorting to online dating to find the "right" man.

I'd take a dry spell for month over banging out busted chicks or chicks with so much baggage they can't land a decent guy without the use of online dating. It all seems counter intuitive to me.