Post: #2276

When YardDog post something about the Philippines you guys should listen. I have yet to read something he says that I am not shaking my head in agreement with.

Post: #2277

(12-02-2015 10:47 AM)Putin Closes Wrote:  But I think the average Filipino guy would is much worse at "game" then your average american guy.

That's a bit like saying the average guy from South Dakota has worse game than the average guy from Los Angeles. Well, that's because they don't need that kind of 'game' to get a girl.

(12-02-2015 11:56 AM)dreambig Wrote:  Game is men's reaction to shitty sexual market dynamics. Filipinos don't generally have game because they don't need it.

Pretty much this.

There's a reason a lot of players on this forum are from Toronto and DC

Post: #2278

Something that amazes me is how long the Philippines has stayed a poosy paradise, despite western males flocking there for laycations. Here are my guesses as to why:

- Far away from Europe and North America: Requires a 20+ hour journey just to land in NAIA. Most people are paying well over $1000 for the ticket there. Jet lag is a bitch and takes a full week to fully adjust, both there and back home.

- Relative racism of Australians: I'm amazed that more guys from Oz aren't flying there every other week. From what I've read on the forum, it sounds like many Aussies are uncomfortable with mixed race couples, so maybe this is why. Oh well, more for us!

- Reputation of Pinoys: Many Pinays see Pinoys as unreliable and just interested in a "fuck and run" lifestyle once they get preggo. This softens the bad reputation of western guys who fly in for a laycation and fly out. Women who get jaded about it associate it to men in general and not just western players.

- Thirsty western betas: I'm talking about the guys you usually see on 90 day fiancee. Incels who can't pull in the west, or mid 30s divorcee guys jaded with western women in general ready to wife up Pinays. Most westerners who move to the Philippines permanently fit this archetype, at least at first. They provide contrast to the western player archetype, and help Pinays rationalize that their YoungTallCool boyfriend might become one of these.

- High birthrate: Thousands of Pinays turn 18 every day, and due to the high status of western men, that means more competition over them. Younger women are less exposed to the hookup scene and less jaded. They all go for the same guys, forcing older women to up their game just to keep up.

- Positive portrayal of westerners/light skin: Disney movies, dramas, hollywood, tv shows. They all have either white people, or half pinoy/half western actors portrayed in idealistic scenarios. Subliminally this makes Pinays associate lighter skin with success, disney fantasies, etc.

- Impulsiveness/shyness/submissiveness: Combine all the above with an easily swayed personality, and they're more likely to come to bed when the logistics are right.

Post: #2279

(12-02-2015 02:04 PM)thoughtgypsy Wrote:  Something that amazes me is how long the Philippines has stayed a poosy paradise, despite western males flocking there for laycations. Here are my guesses as to why:

- Far away from Europe and North America: Requires a 20+ hour journey just to land in NAIA. Most people are paying well over $1000 for the ticket there. Jet lag is a bitch and takes a full week to fully adjust, both there and back home.

- Relative racism of Australians: I'm amazed that more guys from Oz aren't flying there every other week. From what I've read on the forum, it sounds like many Aussies are uncomfortable with mixed race couples, so maybe this is why. Oh well, more for us!

- Reputation of Pinoys: Many Pinays see Pinoys as unreliable and just interested in a "fuck and run" lifestyle once they get preggo. This softens the bad reputation of western guys who fly in for a laycation and fly out. Women who get jaded about it associate it to men in general and not just western players.

- Thirsty western betas: I'm talking about the guys you usually see on 90 day fiancee. Incels who can't pull in the west, or mid 30s divorcee guys jaded with western women in general ready to wife up Pinays. Most westerners who move to the Philippines permanently fit this archetype, at least at first. They provide contrast to the western player archetype, and help Pinays rationalize that their YoungTallCool boyfriend might become one of these.

- High birthrate: Thousands of Pinays turn 18 every day, and due to the high status of western men, that means more competition over them. Younger women are less exposed to the hookup scene and less jaded. They all go for the same guys, forcing older women to up their game just to keep up.

- Positive portrayal of westerners/light skin: Disney movies, dramas, hollywood, tv shows. They all have either white people, or half pinoy/half western actors portrayed in idealistic scenarios. Subliminally this makes Pinays associate lighter skin with success, disney fantasies, etc.

- Impulsiveness/shyness/submissiveness: Combine all the above with an easily swayed personality, and they're more likely to come to bed when the logistics are right.

One more...

Traffic: The traffic chokehold on Manila (and from what I heard, Cebu and Davao as well) prevents foreigners from going beyond the Makati-Fort bubble to find girls on a frequent basis... and they end up dipping in the same pot for the most part. One time it even took me over an hour just to go from the Fort to Makati!

Sure, there are exceptions when a few foreigners with loads of patience venture into the suburbs and 3rd tier towns in the province, or when girls spend a full day fighting traffic to show up for a date with a foreigner off online game.

Post: #2280

(12-02-2015 02:04 PM)thoughtgypsy Wrote:  Something that amazes me is how long the Philippines has stayed a poosy paradise, despite western males flocking there for laycations. Here are my guesses as to why:

- Far away from Europe and North America: Requires a 20+ hour journey just to land in NAIA. Most people are paying well over $1000 for the ticket there. Jet lag is a bitch and takes a full week to fully adjust, both there and back home.

- Relative racism of Australians: I'm amazed that more guys from Oz aren't flying there every other week. From what I've read on the forum, it sounds like many Aussies are uncomfortable with mixed race couples, so maybe this is why. Oh well, more for us!

- Reputation of Pinoys: Many Pinays see Pinoys as unreliable and just interested in a "fuck and run" lifestyle once they get preggo. This softens the bad reputation of western guys who fly in for a laycation and fly out. Women who get jaded about it associate it to men in general and not just western players.

- Thirsty western betas: I'm talking about the guys you usually see on 90 day fiancee. Incels who can't pull in the west, or mid 30s divorcee guys jaded with western women in general ready to wife up Pinays. Most westerners who move to the Philippines permanently fit this archetype, at least at first. They provide contrast to the western player archetype, and help Pinays rationalize that their YoungTallCool boyfriend might become one of these.

- High birthrate: Thousands of Pinays turn 18 every day, and due to the high status of western men, that means more competition over them. Younger women are less exposed to the hookup scene and less jaded. They all go for the same guys, forcing older women to up their game just to keep up.

- Positive portrayal of westerners/light skin: Disney movies, dramas, hollywood, tv shows. They all have either white people, or half pinoy/half western actors portrayed in idealistic scenarios. Subliminally this makes Pinays associate lighter skin with success, disney fantasies, etc.

- Impulsiveness/shyness/submissiveness: Combine all the above with an easily swayed personality, and they're more likely to come to bed when the logistics are right.

This is no rocket science. They have a population well over 100 million, with majority of them being young add to that your typical competition is 5'5 and broke. So being a western and wealthy relative to the general competition skyrockets your value.

Post: #2281

What's the thing with condo security? I asked the landlord if it's OK to have a guest a few nights, he asked for the guest's passport copy. Can the condo security cockblock me when I try to bring someone over?

Post: #2282

(12-02-2015 07:11 PM)the Thing Wrote:  What's the thing with condo security? I asked the landlord if it's OK to have a guest a few nights, he asked for the guest's passport copy. Can the condo security cockblock me when I try to bring someone over?

I'm kind of hoping this is not a trend. The second building I stayed at in Makati was very anal about who gets in and who gets out.

Maybe it would help to name the condos/residences that are too tight with security so we can avoid them. I don't know if this would be ok with the mods, though.

Post: #2283

(12-02-2015 07:11 PM)the Thing Wrote:  What's the thing with condo security? I asked the landlord if it's OK to have a guest a few nights, he asked for the guest's passport copy. Can the condo security cockblock me when I try to bring someone over?

Usually condo security will ask and often keep the visitor's Id card until they leave. Not necessarily a passport.

If it's an AirBnB rental the landlord needs to state "no guests" in the guest policy section. If they don't do that, and you're still cockblocked, you can request a refund from AirBnB and write a bad review.

If it's through a real estate broker, check your lease. Again, if there isn't anything that says, "No guests", but you're being prevented I would contact the owner before you stop paying rent.

In either case, talk to the owner first. Often they can get it resolved with security rather quickly. If that doesn't happen calmly let them know there will be financial consequences on their end.

Post: #2284

(12-02-2015 07:36 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  [quote='the Thing' pid='1162114' dateline='1449101516']
What's the thing with condo security? I asked the landlord if it's OK to have a guest a few nights, he asked for the guest's passport copy. Can the condo security cockblock me when I try to bring someone over?

Omg. I rented airbnb little apartment. The building has security. I don't know how the security works. But it can't be that i can't bring guests, i mean, that would be totally ridiculous. Or is it.

Post: #2285

(12-02-2015 07:49 PM)Roccker Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 07:36 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  [quote='the Thing' pid='1162114' dateline='1449101516']
What's the thing with condo security? I asked the landlord if it's OK to have a guest a few nights, he asked for the guest's passport copy. Can the condo security cockblock me when I try to bring someone over?

Omg. I rented airbnb little apartment. The building has security. I don't know how the security works. But it can't be that i can't bring guests, i mean, that would be totally ridiculous. Or is it.

Stop freaking out. Any legit condo here has security. Better to not have asked your landlord and just let security deal with it. They are not going to refuse you entry.

Post: #2286

(12-02-2015 12:24 PM)Vice)' Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 11:56 AM)dreambig Wrote:  Game is men's reaction to shitty sexual market dynamics. Filipinos don't generally have game because they don't need it.

Pretty much this.

There's a reason a lot of players on this forum are from Toronto and DC

But isn't all this courtship, slow seduction, provider proving not game? What are we calling game then? Seems like what many here call game, like keeping frame, building your SMV, seducing women, is universal.

If game is just a reaction to the West then what did 'players' and guys with high SMV do before that reaction was a thing?

I think our Father's generation still needed game (seducing, control frame, naturally charismatic, etc.) and the better at it they were they more options they had.

I don't think it's much different here. Women are still women. It's not an alternate universe, despite what many are lead to believe. All the bullshit that comes with dealing with women is still in play.

I would say they still need some sort of game, but it's a different one than Western guys.

Post: #2287

(12-02-2015 02:13 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  One more...

Traffic: The traffic chokehold on Manila (and from what I heard, Cebu and Davao as well) prevents foreigners from going beyond the Makati-Fort bubble to find girls on a frequent basis... and they end up dipping in the same pot for the most part. One time it even took me over an hour just to go from the Fort to Makati!

Sure, there are exceptions when a few foreigners with loads of patience venture into the suburbs and 3rd tier towns in the province, or when girls spend a full day fighting traffic to show up for a date with a foreigner off online game.

You're right for short term guys, but know that there are thousands of expat types in places like Subic, Pampanga, Bulacan, Clark, and Angles to the North and to the South in Alabang, Nuvali, Bantangas, etc. The San Fernando to Bantangas corridor, which includes Manila, has quite a few expats living in it.

Post: #2288

Does the courtship stuff actually work in the Philippines as of today?

Post: #2289

Ah, to be the lone American in a packed Arab club in the red light district, smoking shisha and just soaking it in....

I tell you...no one on God's green earth dances with chubby hookers as enthusiastically as a drunken Arab man.

They're becoming my latest obsession.

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Rudyard Kipling

Post: #2290

(12-02-2015 08:39 PM)YardDog Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 12:24 PM)Vice)' Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 11:56 AM)dreambig Wrote:  Game is men's reaction to shitty sexual market dynamics. Filipinos don't generally have game because they don't need it.

Pretty much this.

There's a reason a lot of players on this forum are from Toronto and DC

But isn't all this courtship, slow seduction, provider proving not game? What are we calling game then? Seems like what many here call game, like keeping frame, building your SMV, seducing women, is universal.

If game is just a reaction to the West then what did 'players' and guys with high SMV do before that reaction was a thing?

I think our Father's generation still needed game (seducing, control frame, naturally charismatic, etc.) and the better at it they were they more options they had.

I don't think it's much different here. Women are still women. It's not an alternate universe, despite what many are lead to believe. All the bullshit that comes with dealing with women is still in play.

I would say they still need some sort of game, but it's a different one than Western guys.

I see what you are saying YD. Game has a wide definition around here.

For our purposes, we are talking about deliberate, learned game here. Filipinos don't give that much thought if any. They get laid as a matter of course. Even the skinniest, poorest kid can impregnate multiple girls there.

Our grandfathers got laid just by being upstanding men and not dying early. My dad got laid by being a gentleman, paying for dinner and being generally educated. No "learned game" was required.

Post: #2291

Location: cebu city

Chilling by the pool, too bad it's my last day in Cebu.

After a daytime bang yesterday, went to a real estate event at a nice restaurant one of the girls invited me to. I'm not shopping for an apartment here at this point, just curious about the prices and terms. The free wine was also pretty good. I'll write about real estate in Cebu in a different thread when I come back from the trip.

The girl is an 8 on a good day, 7 when not dolled up. I had 3 dates with her but didn't bang, even last night when she came over to my place after the event. Might see her again later today, but losing patience already, so won't spend too much time or effort on her.

After the girl left, bounced to LIV which was half empty with no targets worth pursuing, then to mango square.

The main club at mango was buzzing, lots of targets and very few white guys. Approached a hot Korean girl but no luck. Then a couple of different philippino girls approached me and I danced with each of them but didn't like any of them enough to take to my place.

A group of 3 Russian girls and one Iranian girl recognized that I'm Russian and talked to me outside. 3 of them were chubby, unfortunately, and one Asian Russian was a hard 6, but didn't seem particularly eager to fuck a stranger. It was great to speak Russian for a change though. Also, the Iranian (chubby but cute face) seemed to feel fuckish, and I was considering taking her to my hotel, but then I saw 2 of the 3 philippino girls I partied with before. One of them was the beautiful girl I took to my place a few nights ago and also met on Tuesday but didn't fuck that time cause she mentioned shopping money and I said I wouldn't pay.

So I bounced from the Russian group to those girls and started dancing with them, then took both of them back to my room. The other girl didn't look very good, so I was reluctant to take her too, but they both jumped in a taxi with me. The beautiful one brought up the threesome subject, but I didn't respond with much enthusiasm. I have 2 beds in my room, so the less attractive one slept in another bed while I was fucking the hot one. I said that if the other one wanted to join I wouldn't mind, but didn't actively try to initiate a threesome, so it didn't happen.

The hot one is a bit of an airhead, loves to party and fuck. My kind of girl. She lived in Europe with one of her exes and now seems like a semi pro, just hustling suckers for money and fucking non suckers for free. By refusing to pay and fuck her the night before, I put myself in the non sucker category. She's a great fuck and also loves to suck dick. Also brought up anal, but I was kind of tired and said let's try another time.

To get rid of them next morning, I took them to a burger place and got the check, then said I was hungover and bounced.

I think I've run out of pipelined prospects, so new notches are unlikely at this point. Can't be bothered to look either.

Flying to HK tomorrow. Will probably do more sightseeing than looking for tail, but will see.

Post: #2292

None of this is to rag on Putin. We spoke on Viber, he seems cool, and will probably meet up, but since the conversation is still going...

(12-03-2015 01:40 AM)dreambig Wrote:  I see what you are saying YD. Game has a wide definition around here.

For our purposes, we are talking about deliberate, learned game here. Filipinos don't give that much thought if any. They get laid as a matter of course. Even the skinniest, poorest kid can impregnate multiple girls there.

Our grandfathers got laid just by being upstanding men and not dying early. My dad got laid by being a gentleman, paying for dinner and being generally educated. No "learned game" was required.

I don't know. I didn't think that's what we were talking about at all. To me, game is game. I am by no means the authority, but most guys I know (apart from this community) who have game never made an active effort to "learn" it.

Anyways, the whole discussion has gotten a little strange.

A guy comes in and says landing hot girls is easy because locals have no game. I say plenty of locals do have game, and suddenly people are chipping in to say, "No, that's not game because the girls are easy."

So which is it - are the girls so easy because the guys have no game, or is game a moot point because the girls are already so easy?

To me it seems like we're talking ourselves in circles here. I mean, there aren't a ton of foreigners with game here either, but by the looks on their faces they're Leonardo DiCaprio. If you can jump on Tinder and yank a higher quality bird off there in an hour or two, it probably doesn't have much to do with outgaming anyone...Lol

Here's what I saw in my local grunge hangout last night...The guy who works at the local gym sitting at a table with a new chick while his girlfriend cries at another table - "He's having an affair, he's having an affair," she whines but doesn't move a finger to actually do anything about it.

And the guy sat there unfazed like a stone cold killer. Didn't even bother to grab his date and leave.

To me, that's game. A low status guy juggling girls he has little or nothing to offer to.

On the other hand, my friend flew in last night. UK guy. Okay-looking guy but nothing special. Kind of banged up teeth. Obscene drinking problem. 45, maybe older. He's a good dude but would not be murdering it back where I come from.

Posts up in one of the nicest, most well known hotels in the neighborhood. He's got loot and knows how to put on a show - I guarantee he's suited up on Tinder.

Sure enough, he pulls one of these smoking hot, full package broads off there and is banging her that night in the highrise. A girl with her own shit going on and her own money but clearly looking to hook up with white businessmen who have something to offer and aren't afraid to show it.

Doesn't that sum up the game even of a lot of guys around here who do the online thing in a place like this? At least the guys with the cash anyhow? Present yourself as an established foreigner. Textbook logistics. Sell her on the view, especially if she's poor. Get her to the room ASAP.

I'm not knocking it, by any means. But if you ask me, saying white dude has game and the Filipino is floating on easy pussy is just out there...The Filipino is in the trenches battling it out for that surplus vagina. Again let's just keep our feet on the ground here a bit.

It sounds like our definitions are different, but I'm way more impressed by a dirt poor taxi driver juggling four broads than I am by my buddy coming in like Boss Haug on his 2-week vacation and pulling the welcoming committee off the world's fastest hookup app - 8 in looks or not.

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Rudyard Kipling

Post: #2293

(12-02-2015 11:13 PM)worldtraveler3 Wrote:  Does the courtship stuff actually work in the Philippines as of today?

No.

Post: #2294

(12-03-2015 02:53 AM)Brodiaga Wrote:  So I bounced from the Russian group to those girls and started dancing with them, then took both of them back to my room. The other girl didn't look very good, so I was reluctant to take her too, but they both jumped in a taxi with me. The beautiful one brought up the threesome subject, but I didn't respond with much enthusiasm. I have 2 beds in my room, so the less attractive one slept in another bed while I was fucking the hot one.

Damn.. you can actually do that? definitely need to have the balls to try that once.
I stopped myself from bringing a DIA girl from a late-night date to my condo, because i already had my rotation girl passed out on my giant bed (which is why I got pissed off and left in the first place). This is starting to make me regret that decision.
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Post: #2295

(12-03-2015 04:52 AM)Jesus Christ Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 11:13 PM)worldtraveler3 Wrote:  Does the courtship stuff actually work in the Philippines as of today?

No.

You sure? With girls from a specific background I think it does, and if you're looking to marry some bird whose family is watching over her like a hawk...Most of us aren't, of course, but why else would you bother with courtship?

I met one well-off girl on OkCupid while in Davao, and she had to ask her mom just to go to coffee with me. Mom said sure but an uncle had to tag along to chaperone.

Do you really think the family would have let me get away with anything regarding this girl than a drawn out, good old-fashioned courtship and a ring on that finger? Come on...

There are plenty of families still keeping it old school out here. Especially in the South.

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Rudyard Kipling

Post: #2296

Cyclone, the two girls were close friends and both came to my place. I don't have the balls to do it with girls who don't already know each other or bring a new girl when another one is passed out in my room. This is advanced material and requires a lot of calibration and social awareness, even here in the Philippines.

Post: #2297

My main girl said she just went to a pool party with 6 other girl friends, 5 of them hooked up with some young French and British guys infront of eachother. No fucks given.

-So they just hooked up in front of each other?
yeah, it was just for fun ya know
-How many girls hooked up?
5
-Wow sluts lol
And to think they're all taken
-They brag about it?
Of course duhh
-Wait they all have bf?
Yes, long distance too
They said it was nothing, just for fun
-All 5 of your friends have foreign bf?
Yes
-What kind of party was this?
Birthday pool party, actually didn't know bout the pool pary.. thought it was just a birthday dinner

This is why you take the red pill. Probably sending them money from overseas too while they are getting plowed, suckers.

Post: #2298

^ So five of them hooked up, but there were seven girls total?

Let me guess...

Your "main girl" was one of the only two that didn't get fucked that night, right?

Convenient, that.

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Rudyard Kipling

Post: #2299

BB, if sexual market dynamics and gender ratios were normal in the West then most guys would never have discovered Roosh or this corner of the internet. Most of us never wanted to be players and probably would have married in our early 20s if things were different.

When PUA and bootcamps start to become popular in a country that's a bad sign. So again, Filipinos don't have game because they never needed it. Neither do Eastern European guys for example.

In the Philippines, I got the distinct impression that it's the girls who are fighting to lock a good guy down. Totally different environment and as such it requires very little skill or "game" to be successful to some extent. Foreigner or Filipino. Just turn up, be passably nice and persist in talking to the girl.

Many other Asian countries are the same. Guys don't lift, they drink and gamble excessively, they dress badly, they can even be shy and still get laid. And that's how things should be in a sane environment where both sexes are giving and taking. I'm not saying that some self-improvement won't improve their results, but none of it is necessary for basic success (and to be fair they have more on their plate). Being a good provider and a nice, religious guy is more than enough to get a Filipina wife. That's just a fact.

I think you are talking about naturals acting in their native environment. While I get what you are saying and find it fun to observe those guys, it's not really the same thing. Much of it is culturally learned, e.g. the security guards who hit on staff working in malls. That is normal in the Philippines. If you tried to explain to them that they were doing "day game" they would find it hilarious. That's just what men in those jobs are supposed to do. They need a wife like anyone else.

For the record, I think that everyone has a certain natural level of seduction/charm (whatever you want to call it), but would those same Filipino guys be getting laid a lot in Toronto, Washington DC or London? The answer is no. Maybe not at all. They would have to get with the program like the rest of us.

So yeah...we are talking in circles. Haha. I guess the word "game" is just too broad for anyone to agree on what it means.

Post: #2300

(12-03-2015 03:09 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  To me, that's game. A low status guy juggling girls he has little or nothing to offer to.

Kevin Bacon said it just that way a long time ago in an interview.

"Anybody can have sex when they’re famous. I had sex a lot when I was not famous, and that was something I was very proud of back then. Being a waiter with no money, not a lot of drugs, just a mattress on the floor - and still being able to pull chicks. That’s when you separate the men from the boys."