I think it was clearly explained to you that you made some initial errors and it was too late for the "Giovonny approach" rally. You should've done that to begin with (why it's called an approach), but you didn't, and mistakes were made. You, at least, sensed that and asked for help. Advice was offered and you went your own route, which is fine, but...

I'll be shocked if you can pull this off after doubling down on mistakes. You asked for advice then ignored it and went with something worse. Not sure why you did that, but you did.

Live and learn from your mistakes. Move on after you see how this pans out because my prediction is not so good for you at this point.

I misunderstood his post then, because I thought he suggested responding in the manner that I did. Either way, the fact that we're having to scrutinize every little thing like this shows how far things have gone. On to the next prospects.

(09-11-2018 07:05 PM)Rang off the Pipe Wrote:  I misunderstood his post then, because I thought he suggested responding in the manner that I did. Either way, the fact that we're having to scrutinize every little thing like this shows how far things have gone. On to the next prospects.

Pfft. Don't let me take the wind out of your sails. If you're still in the game, stay with it, Bud. Let's see what happens.

(09-08-2018 03:27 AM)Davarian Wrote:  Apologies for posting here guys. Tried to start a new thread but the site wouldn’t let me!

Went to the dentist today. Dental hygienist was ridiculously cute, couldn’t exactly have too much of a conversation with her examining my mouth but had some banter when able.

Question, she gave me her business card at the end (something I think she gives all patients) so I know her last name, is it appropriate/successful to add her then start a Facebook chat?

I don’t really have a reason to see her again until my next appointment in 6 months so can’t think of many other options.

Any thoughts welcome

Thats not a business card. Its called an appointment card


The bad news is that your post tells us exactly how far off from your goal of banging hot dental hygienists you are. Step away from the Facebook before you go right past friend zone and directly to creepy stalker zone

The good news is your here asking questions



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Dm a girl on insta 2 months back, ask her out like 3 times within that time span with no success of a first date. I text her today about her fitness and body goals to see if I can get a last attempt date out of her. I told her about a park, I jog at weekly and she caught the hook from there on. In her word, she wanted a jogging partner so badly so maybe she wants me to become her partner. I plan to jog with her at the park this Friday. I am trying finding a way to get the first date bang or escalate as much as possible. I am driving my mom car to the park. My plan is jog and exercise with her first, when finished doing our exercises then make an excuse to lead her back to my car for a cool off or a water drinking session and escalate from there in the car. I will definitely park my car in a private or secluded location to lower her ASD. Can’t bring her home because I live with my mom. Will very much appreciate it if anyone can give me some opinions on this idea of mine.

(09-16-2018 03:24 PM)Roswell87 Wrote:  Dm a girl on insta 2 months back, ask her out like 3 times within that time span with no success of a first date. I text her today about her fitness and body goals to see if I can get a last attempt date out of her. I told her about a park, I jog at weekly and she caught the hook from there on. In her word, she wanted a jogging partner so badly so maybe she wants me to become her partner. I plan to jog with her at the park this Friday. I am trying finding a way to get the first date bang or escalate as much as possible. I am driving my mom car to the park. My plan is jog and exercise with her first, when finished doing our exercises then make an excuse to lead her back to my car for a cool off or a water drinking session and escalate from there in the car. I will definitely park my car in a private or secluded location to lower her ASD. Can’t bring her home because I live with my mom. Will very much appreciate it if anyone can give me some opinions on this idea of mine.

So she wants to jog and you want to bang? You definitely are on the same page.

Don't you see these are mutually exclusive goals? Or, in gamesmen parlance - it's a snake seduction, no more no less than, I guess that's where it derived from, "a snake oil salesman's tactic". That's why some guys are labelled as creepy when they get a girl confused about his true intentions.

Gamesman's way of playing the field is to pitch a date for a date's sake, not "I'll gladly shoe-shine your shoes" with a desperate hope to convert it into a romantic fling. The idea it is a date is in your heads only, not to mention you already tried 3x times and she declined. Anyway, give it a try and report back what happened. My bet is she won't turn up in a park.

By the way, looks like incorrect choice of a thread, this for texting only.

A bit puzzled with this situation. One of my long time plates sent me 14 pictures on Messenger and about as many messages telling me what she was up to. Everything was pretty good. We're currently in different countries (we met in real life and fucked many times). I'd just got up and tried to call her. No reply. Thirty minutes later she texts saying sorry she just took a shower. We had a (very) brief convo and I jokingly complained to her that she hadn't sent any text updates for 90 minutes, if she was maybe on a date with someone during that time.

She didn't see the funny side and in a huff told me 'Goodnight enjoy your day', to end the conversation. I then called her. She would not pick up. She then called me later that night. I didn't realize it, but saw her follow up text messages. I was so pissed with her that she ignored my calls, that I ignored everything. In response she unfriended me on facebook and Insta, which does all the time when we have a fight and then adds me again, and told me not to reply.

Now the sex is great and I don't want to next her. But equally her not answering my phone calls is a major issue for me. What would you do?

(09-17-2018 11:39 AM)Jefferson Wrote:  < Girl Drama Snipped >

Now the sex is great and I don't want to next her. But equally her not answering my phone calls is a major issue for me. What would you do?

I wouldn't call her.

But if her not answering a call is your only problem here, you've got other problems here. Allowing yourself to become wrapped up in such drama with a mere plate is utterly senseless.

I don't plan on calling her. I suspect she will text me and call me. I had made it clear several times that not taking a call from me is a serious red flag to me, after she'd done it before two or three times.

The drama is par for the course with this one. She escalates everything all the time. I think now I have to go no contact until she texts apologetically. If she does she can stay. If not I may have to bite the bullet.

(09-17-2018 01:44 PM)Jefferson Wrote:  I don't plan on calling her. I suspect she will text me and call me. I had made it clear several times that not taking a call from me is a serious red flag to me, after she'd done it before two or three times.

The drama is par for the course with this one. She escalates everything all the time. I think now I have to go no contact until she texts apologetically. If she does she can stay. If not I may have to bite the bullet.

Your thinking on this is literally 180 degrees out of phase. Good luck though!

What do you mean "out of phase"?

(09-17-2018 11:39 AM)Jefferson Wrote:  A bit puzzled with this situation. One of my long time plates sent me 14 pictures on Messenger and about as many messages telling me what she was up to. Everything was pretty good. We're currently in different countries (we met in real life and fucked many times). I'd just got up and tried to call her. No reply. Thirty minutes later she texts saying sorry she just took a shower. We had a (very) brief convo and I jokingly complained to her that she hadn't sent any text updates for 90 minutes, if she was maybe on a date with someone during that time.

She didn't see the funny side and in a huff told me 'Goodnight enjoy your day', to end the conversation. I then called her. She would not pick up. She then called me later that night. I didn't realize it, but saw her follow up text messages. I was so pissed with her that she ignored my calls, that I ignored everything. In response she unfriended me on facebook and Insta, which does all the time when we have a fight and then adds me again, and told me not to reply.

Now the sex is great and I don't want to next her. But equally her not answering my phone calls is a major issue for me. What would you do?

Honestly, I do not know what should be your next step.
But Mistake # 1 : Joking about she was in a date means you care too much. Jokes have truth in it.

Mistake #2 :She acted mad and ended the conversation in a rude way. You shouldn't have called her

(09-17-2018 11:39 AM)Jefferson Wrote:  A bit puzzled with this situation. One of my long time plates sent me 14 pictures on Messenger and about as many messages telling me what she was up to. Everything was pretty good. We're currently in different countries (we met in real life and fucked many times). I'd just got up and tried to call her. No reply. Thirty minutes later she texts saying sorry she just took a shower. We had a (very) brief convo and I jokingly complained to her that she hadn't sent any text updates for 90 minutes, if she was maybe on a date with someone during that time.

She didn't see the funny side and in a huff told me 'Goodnight enjoy your day', to end the conversation. I then called her. She would not pick up. She then called me later that night. I didn't realize it, but saw her follow up text messages. I was so pissed with her that she ignored my calls, that I ignored everything. In response she unfriended me on facebook and Insta, which does all the time when we have a fight and then adds me again, and told me not to reply.

Now the sex is great and I don't want to next her. But equally her not answering my phone calls is a major issue for me. What would you do?

I have to agree this sounds like a lot of drama for someone who you only consider to be a plate. To me it seems you care a bit more than that. Nothing wrong with it as long as you aknowledge it, if it is indeed true. Once you sort it out you will know how to handle her not being 100% available all the time.

(09-17-2018 11:39 AM)Jefferson Wrote:  A bit puzzled with this situation. One of my long time plates sent me 14 pictures on Messenger and about as many messages telling me what she was up to. Everything was pretty good. We're currently in different countries (we met in real life and fucked many times). I'd just got up and tried to call her. No reply. Thirty minutes later she texts saying sorry she just took a shower. We had a (very) brief convo and I jokingly complained to her that she hadn't sent any text updates for 90 minutes, if she was maybe on a date with someone during that time.

She didn't see the funny side and in a huff told me 'Goodnight enjoy your day', to end the conversation. I then called her. She would not pick up. She then called me later that night. I didn't realize it, but saw her follow up text messages. I was so pissed with her that she ignored my calls, that I ignored everything. In response she unfriended me on facebook and Insta, which does all the time when we have a fight and then adds me again, and told me not to reply.

Now the sex is great and I don't want to next her. But equally her not answering my phone calls is a major issue for me. What would you do?

Nothing unusual here. The ugly truth is, she's tormented because there is another guy. There always is, when they act like that. Time to move on, I guess. The good thing is you can meet better girls.

(09-17-2018 03:56 PM)Mizo1234 Wrote:  

(09-17-2018 11:39 AM)Jefferson Wrote:  A bit puzzled with this situation. One of my long time plates sent me 14 pictures on Messenger and about as many messages telling me what she was up to. Everything was pretty good. We're currently in different countries (we met in real life and fucked many times). I'd just got up and tried to call her. No reply. Thirty minutes later she texts saying sorry she just took a shower. We had a (very) brief convo and I jokingly complained to her that she hadn't sent any text updates for 90 minutes, if she was maybe on a date with someone during that time.

She didn't see the funny side and in a huff told me 'Goodnight enjoy your day', to end the conversation. I then called her. She would not pick up. She then called me later that night. I didn't realize it, but saw her follow up text messages. I was so pissed with her that she ignored my calls, that I ignored everything. In response she unfriended me on facebook and Insta, which does all the time when we have a fight and then adds me again, and told me not to reply.

Now the sex is great and I don't want to next her. But equally her not answering my phone calls is a major issue for me. What would you do?

Honestly, I do not know what should be your next step.
But Mistake # 1 : Joking about she was in a date means you care too much. Jokes have truth in it.

Mistake #2 :She acted mad and ended the conversation in a rude way. You shouldn't have called her

You are right on both counts, brother.

Guys, Nothing is specific here. In general when you invite her out and she declines and replies with something " I'd love to go, but......... " . She doesn't give counter offer . What do you guys do ?
1- Reply back with another date and time
2- No reply
3- Reply with "Lame" .

(09-17-2018 04:10 PM)Trent W. Wrote:  I have to agree this sounds like a lot of drama for someone who you only consider to be a plate. To me it seems you care a bit more than that. Nothing wrong with it as long as you aknowledge it, if it is indeed true. Once you sort it out you will know how to handle her not being 100% available all the time.

You probably have a point about caring. It's not that she's not available all the time though, she is very available most of the time. However, she is extremely willful, very jealous of her freedom and prone to overreact so on two or three occasions she refused to take a phone call from me. I then immediately made clear that it is unacceptable and for a long time she has not done this. However, this has now started again. Her refusing to take a phone call is my Achilles heel, and I fear there is no way to fix this.

(09-17-2018 04:37 PM)Mizo1234 Wrote:  Guys, Nothing is specific here. In general when you invite her out and she declines and replies with something " I'd love to go, but......... " . She doesn't give counter offer . What do you guys do ?
1- Reply back with another date and time
2- No reply
3- Reply with "Lame" .

I would take option #2 and re-initiate days later while working other leads.

She sent these after a brief exchange of light messages. We've only been hanging out for a few weeks.


[M]
Ive been thinking and I feel like casual wouldn't be beneficial for either of us. You don't mind going with the flow, where I feel like id be wasting my time because I'm actually looking for someone with true commitments behind it. Like someone who wants to travel and at some point have a family and ik that's not your life goals and I don't wanna feel like I'm using my time and opportunity on someone who doesn't want that

[Self]
I like you and I really want to see where this goes because I see a lot of potential. All i ask is you have open mind about it. People change so much over time. But if you feel it's a bad call then that's okay too.

[M]
I know though that your mind on a family won't change with how you were talking about vasectomy.

[M]
And as much as I cringe about babies at this point, I know I'll want to have one down the road.

[Self]
I see. Yeah I wasn't implying I'd change my mind on that specifically. Sounds like you've made up your mind then.

[M]
I'm sorry.. I just don't see how it would be beneficial. If I keep seeing you I'm pretty much blocking myself from meeting someone who wants something more serious

[M]
What things would've changef



Her last text was yesterday and I'm pretty content to say nothing at this point. This is actually the second time she's had this convo with me. I would really like to keep seeing her because she has an IUD and i rarely get the chance to have sex without a condom.

I banged this girl last Tuesday, after we met in a bar.
I banged this girl again last Friday, after we met in a bar again.

We only exchanged some neutral messages, more like something funny. She look like she´s just having a fun and don´t care about anything much. I don´t want to lose frame and look needy or that I´m awaiting something more from this.

How do I bang again, on purpose?
Tomorrow it´s my birthday so I have on my mind this:
Her: happy birthday
Me: Thanks you. Do you know what ideal birthday gift is?
Her: What?
Me: Birthday sex

I hate the way "birthday sex" pedastalizes sex. That will make you lose frame.

Her: Happy Birthday
You: you should roll through

The end. You banged her already she knows the score. If she hesitates drop some bitch bait about drinks and good food and you're having a great time but other than that don't get needy or push

By way of update not calling worked. She got in touch and is back with the program.

(09-19-2018 11:48 AM)tomzestatlu Wrote:  I banged this girl last Tuesday, after we met in a bar.
I banged this girl again last Friday, after we met in a bar again.

We only exchanged some neutral messages, more like something funny. She look like she´s just having a fun and don´t care about anything much. I don´t want to lose frame and look needy or that I´m awaiting something more from this.

How do I bang again, on purpose?
Tomorrow it´s my birthday so I have on my mind this:
Her: happy birthday
Me: Thanks you. Do you know what ideal birthday gift is?
Her: What?
Me: Birthday sex

I imagine that her finding out at a later date that she was not included in your birthday plans after banging her twice will create a sufficient desire for her to bang you again in the future. I wouldn't be pushing for anything specific. You're likely to scare her away.

She didn´t mention anything with my birthday. My heart is broken. But I want to bang her anyway.
She definitely isn´t interested in some kind of dating. She has just moved to the country and I can see she just want to have fun. But I enjoyed having fun with her.

She is Scandinavian, so maybe being absolutely straight could be ok?

(09-20-2018 01:29 PM)tomzestatlu Wrote:  She didn´t mention anything with my birthday. My heart is broken. But I want to bang her anyway.
She definitely isn´t interested in some kind of dating. She has just moved to the country and I can see she just want to have fun. But I enjoyed having fun with her.

She is Scandinavian, so maybe being absolutely straight could be ok?

If you've already banged her two times your approach should be "I don't care, got what I wanted". How you communicate that to her is something you know best since you're the one talking to her. Maybe you use highly sexual convo, maybe you are light and playful, maybe you tell her to come straight to yours. Anything that doesn't show neediness is good.

You don't want to be the guy that's trying to get her "exclusively", if she's like you described. She should be chasing your time. If she's there to party and f*ck around, giving her too much attention will backfire.