(02-15-2016 04:55 PM)robreke Wrote:  Anyone here ever successfully turned a girl trying to ask for financial favors around into a longer term FB?

I banged this nice 24 yo last week. Had her screaming all manner of ways. It was top notch indoor olympics. It was a seamless first date, she didn't ask for anything at all. She spent the night, again in morning and I dropped her off the next day. She's pretty new on the site too

Today, I go for the second date as we'd agreed upon today last week and she texts "so are you down to be a sugar daddy?"

I think 'this damn girl, orgasming all over my bed pulls this shit'. It's almost as if, they feel compelled to bring it up just cause they're on the site.

I text her back "only if you call me daddy sometime. do you like tacos?" because I want mexican and then to come back here.

I haven't heard back from her yet but just texted that.

If anyone has a technique or would rather share it via PM so it's not on this thread, I'd love to hear ideas.

I have a 19 year old FB from SA whose a FWB now but she also has a legit sugar daddy who pays her 7 grand a month from LA . He's suppose to be a big time lawyer , going to run in politics now . I posted some pics of her in this thread , shes a solid 8 but not worth that type of money $$$ ...

I've had girls ask for money to meet [Sorry, not looking for a paid escort - let them hamster from there] but just the idea of a girl on SA trying to shame me is hilarious. Anyone I think is an escort I just block anyway.

Plenty of real girls who don't know how SA works will ask for $ to meet, but come out anyway when they are turned down. Unless they are hot and young and have good pics, no guy is really paying attention to them on SA anyway, basically just time-wasters and old fat guys.

(02-15-2016 07:24 PM)NeVerGymLess Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 04:55 PM)robreke Wrote:  Anyone here ever successfully turned a girl trying to ask for financial favors around into a longer term FB?

I banged this nice 24 yo last week. Had her screaming all manner of ways. It was top notch indoor olympics. It was a seamless first date, she didn't ask for anything at all. She spent the night, again in morning and I dropped her off the next day. She's pretty new on the site too

Today, I go for the second date as we'd agreed upon today last week and she texts "so are you down to be a sugar daddy?"

I think 'this damn girl, orgasming all over my bed pulls this shit'. It's almost as if, they feel compelled to bring it up just cause they're on the site.

I text her back "only if you call me daddy sometime. do you like tacos?" because I want mexican and then to come back here.

I haven't heard back from her yet but just texted that.

If anyone has a technique or would rather share it via PM so it's not on this thread, I'd love to hear ideas.

I have a 19 year old FB from SA whose a FWB now but she also has a legit sugar daddy who pays her 7 grand a month from LA . He's suppose to be a big time lawyer , going to run in politics now . I posted some pics of her in this thread , shes a solid 8 but not worth that type of money $$$ ...

I told her I'd take her to dinner sometimes and 'share my lifestyle' but I've never paid a woman for companionship and not about to start. She agreed saying 'let's just have fun and when are we meeting tonight'

She came over, we had some wine and fun like last week at my place. I called her bluff and she saw things my way. Surely, they won't all do that, but this girl did.

Hey gents, just signed up and things seem to be progressing quite well. Need advice. I know the general consensus is not taking these chicks to your house which I totally get but I have a unique situation. my parents have an awesome house with multiple security gates with guards one must go thru to enter the development where the house is. I use this house all the time and want to take these girls there, as there are golf courses, tennis courts and just about every leisure activity one could imagine within the gates. Truly the epitome of a five star lifestyle. My plan is to send them a note pre meetup saying that there's lots of security gates, cameras all over the house and that I will check their I.d. Additionally they will park outside the gates in a parking lot and I will pick them up in my fly ride. Thoughts?

(03-01-2016 08:19 PM)phluff127 Wrote:  Hey gents, just signed up and things seem to be progressing quite well. Need advice. I know the general consensus is not taking these chicks to your house which I totally get but I have a unique situation. my parents have an awesome house with multiple security gates with guards one must go thru to enter the development where the house is. I use this house all the time and want to take these girls there, as there are golf courses, tennis courts and just about every leisure activity one could imagine within the gates. Truly the epitome of a five star lifestyle. My plan is to send them a note pre meetup saying that there's lots of security gates, cameras all over the house and that I will check their I.d. Additionally they will park outside the gates in a parking lot and I will pick them up in my fly ride. Thoughts? Also, if a girl is dressed in a risqué fashion do you automatically presume semi pro? Some of these chicks are absolutely banging, but they send pics in bikinis, of there ass, etc and I'm like......it seems like most of you don't pay but I'm cool with busting off a few hundred

All your questions and many many more will be answered if you start here

Seeking Arrangement game

Edit: I will go ahead tell you that this isn't the forum for p4p.

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(03-01-2016 08:29 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

(03-01-2016 08:19 PM)phluff127 Wrote:  Hey gents, just signed up and things seem to be progressing quite well. Need advice. I know the general consensus is not taking these chicks to your house which I totally get but I have a unique situation. my parents have an awesome house with multiple security gates with guards one must go thru to enter the development where the house is. I use this house all the time and want to take these girls there, as there are golf courses, tennis courts and just about every leisure activity one could imagine within the gates. Truly the epitome of a five star lifestyle. My plan is to send them a note pre meetup saying that there's lots of security gates, cameras all over the house and that I will check their I.d. Additionally they will park outside the gates in a parking lot and I will pick them up in my fly ride. Thoughts? Also, if a girl is dressed in a risqué fashion do you automatically presume semi pro? Some of these chicks are absolutely banging, but they send pics in bikinis, of there ass, etc and I'm like......it seems like most of you don't pay but I'm cool with busting off a few hundred

All your questions and many many more will be answered if you start here

Seeking Arrangement game

Edit: I will go ahead tell you that this isn't the forum for p4p.

Did California Supreme finally achieve his dream and come back?

Revisited SA after some time away and was legitimately angry at the wretched nature of some of the women on the site... perhaps it's the area that I live in but there were so many overweight, plain ugly and mediocre women in my search results. Obviously, there were some lookers, but it looks like grade inflation has gotten their entitlement levels up to near OKC levels.

Is this sort of the harbinger of the beginning of the end of dating sites, where even a sugar-daddy site which purports to introduce rich men to beautiful women has 4's and 5's parading around like they're cute and 7's and 8's basically looking for celebrities to snatch them off the site?

Perhaps my level of game is not where it should be, but my experience (in Toronto) has been that you can often get the first bang without actually handing over any cash, but the girl's hamster inevitably spins up afterward given that you met via SA in the first place and any reasonably hot girl is constantly getting offers from other dudes. I know it's not in the spirit of this forum, but a token amount of cash (say $100) in lieu of "sharing your lifestyle" can often stop the hamstering. It all depends on how much you prioritize time, money and new bangs vs ongoing bangs.

^^^^Are you running out of girls for you to just hand over some cash?

I had 2-3 girls in rotation when I was using SA. Whenever one asked for money, I would just dump here because there was always a new girl trying to lock me down.

Just take her out for dinner or do something you both can enjoy. It's never just 100 now but more so 200 later and then 300 and so forth.

Anyways, most girls on this site are dumb so you can get away with it for a quite a while.

(03-07-2016 04:39 PM)goodington Wrote:  Perhaps my level of game is not where it should be, but my experience (in Toronto) has been that you can often get the first bang without actually handing over any cash, but the girl's hamster inevitably spins up afterward given that you met via SA in the first place and any reasonably hot girl is constantly getting offers from other dudes. I know it's not in the spirit of this forum, but a token amount of cash (say $100) in lieu of "sharing your lifestyle" can often stop the hamstering. It all depends on how much you prioritize time, money and new bangs vs ongoing bangs.

LOL...I feel ya bro!

(03-07-2016 04:39 PM)goodington Wrote:  Perhaps my level of game is not where it should be, but my experience (in Toronto) has been that you can often get the first bang without actually handing over any cash, but the girl's hamster inevitably spins up afterward given that you met via SA in the first place and any reasonably hot girl is constantly getting offers from other dudes. I know it's not in the spirit of this forum, but a token amount of cash (say $100) in lieu of "sharing your lifestyle" can often stop the hamstering. It all depends on how much you prioritize time, money and new bangs vs ongoing bangs.

That's the part of the game where you realize that "Prostitute Culture" has gotten real.

Men are operating with run-of-the-mill women not realizing that they are viewed as johns, and those women who view them as johns are doing mental gymnastics to avoid the reality that they are now turning tricks.

I'd avoid this game like the plague.

I talked about this shit recently, where things are going on, but you're not necessarily processing it.

I have a hard time believing that a man can continue to look at himself with the confidence he needs to be successful in this world, yet know in his mind that he has become forced to compensate women for their efforts to get him off.

You're responsible for your own confidence; when shit is happening and you're not processing it, later on you'll realize that you were doing yourself harm.

There are plenty of chicks hoeing everywhere. There are also plenty of unhappy johns everywhere.

The johns' problem is that they look at this shit as business; they are willing to give money in exchange for a service. The women just look at it as "give me money", they don't give two fucks about the men's enjoyment. That's why so many dudes end up having bad experiences, at-best it's not a good time, at-worst they get robbed, literally.

At the end of the day, you play with fire, you get burned.

I'm married with kids, so obviously have limited free time to go out for drinks and game girls. I also tend to avoid the experienced semi pros, so the girls I meet are all legitimately broke anyway and so a fancy dinner just comes off as me rubbing my wealth in their faces. At a certain point it's just easier (and cheaper) to tell a girl to come to my crash pad and skip all of the usual dating bullshit.

Of course, I continue to run standard SA game as warranted. A full pipeline is always a good thing...

^^^^^^^^^^^^ I just saw a girl's profile write up saying she's not here for a man's pleasure . LMAO , these girls are getting that tinder attitude . I was gaming this one girl and some guy just give her $400 for dinner and said his wife just died and he just wants company ( I'm calling bullshit on this , you don't give 19 year old girls money , if you ain't trying to fuck them as a older man )


Shit's getting rough out here , have a date set up with a 18 year old on Saturday but I'm expecting her to go the hooker route since she keeps on saying she needs a new phone .

The hardest thing about dating in general, is what other chumps are doing. So the dinner offer might be true, although it does sound like BS.

(03-11-2016 04:21 AM)NeVerGymLess Wrote:  ^^^^^^^^^^^^ I just saw a girl's profile write up saying she's not here for a man's pleasure . LMAO , these girls are getting that tinder attitude . I was gaming this one girl and some guy just give her $400 for dinner and said his wife just died and he just wants company ( I'm calling bullshit on this , you don't give 19 year old girls money , if you ain't trying to fuck them as a older man )


Shit's getting rough out here , have a date set up with a 18 year old on Saturday but I'm expecting her to go the hooker route since she keeps on saying she needs a new phone .

Yeh one of the girls who I banged for free said old dudes pay just to hang out and shit. Unreal when you think about it.

Old dudes have no choice. They pay while I play. I am good friends with a girl constantly on SA and WYP, she gets 250, 500 or more to go out to a meal and chat for a couple hours. Then she says, 'Oh, have to get up for work real early tomorrow!' and bounces, it's hilarious. Meanwhile she buys me drinks.

It makes total sense. The first bang is the interview. Same principle as pretending to be an agent for porn. Only lots slicker.

(03-07-2013 04:39 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Doesn't make sense. These broads fuck before getting any money? Most hookers know better than that.

There has to be some cost to this kind of game or else every dude would do it.

Went back to SA and essentially selling the dream to them by somewhat alluding to celebrity, which makes them rather receptive. I invite them to a cheap asian restaurant (Thai, Korean, or Cambodian) as it:
A) Makes you seem worldly
B) Pretty cheap, but they don't know that

Then I close to a hotel or their place after and very little resistance on their end, I get 1-3 bangs before they start asking about allowances, then I just disappear like Batman.

I had this brunette, solid 7/7.5 Italian/Irish Broad, had nipple, belly, and clit, piercings, 3 bangs in and didn't make a peep about an allowance as she was already independent. I gave her the radio silence and she never responded, ah well.

However, I've never seen the level of flakes, fakes, and indecisive air-headed chicks in my life.

Finally figured out how to re-calibrate the SA game for my area. At first, I was way too thrown off by the legion of fatties and uglies that were on the site, but after doing some sifting, there's definitely talent to be plundered. Work/live in a distinctly working class neighborhood so the level of obesity in local girls is high even on the site... but when the girls aren't land whales, they tend to have really nice bodies: slim with T&A. Also, they don't skew towards the intellectual side of the spectrum, so my "most interesting man in the world" game has gotten me outsized dividends.

I've led a pretty interesting life these past few years so I keep what I tell these girls pretty close to the truth. Their frame of reference is quite limited so I could say outlandish things and given the pictures I have in my iPhone of first class flights, hotel suites and different countries, they'd probably end up believing it. The expectations some of these girls have is shockingly modest, especially compared to the Korean and Chinese girls I've gone out with in the recent past. So far I'm 3/4 this past week: Viet girl, Arab girl (on the same day) and a white hipster chick. All were shockingly pleasant and well mannered, although the Arab girl was a little stand-offish until she saw my car (high end BMW) and then I immediately noted the "I'm gonna fuck this guy" look on her face: dilated pupils with scrunchy eyes. Missed with a 22 year old Mexican girl who insisted that she had to go home at 9pm, even though we met at 8. Just let her go as there was no real connection even though I thought she was the hottest of the bunch.

Got three more girls on deck for the next few days. One of them is a fucking sexy 19 year old Blexican chick with crazy tattoos who lives in the sticks... she's fucking ecstatic that I'm taking her to Hooters as that's the closest bar that stays open late in her podunk town. Bitch looks slightly psycho so I'm going to have to be extra careful to wrap it up (which I'm terrible at doing) and keep my secrecy air-tight. The two others are sweet-faced Latina college students (19 and 21) that seem like they're tired of eating top ramen and both passed the compliance test of agreeing to wear heels and a skirt. Got hotels lined up in all three areas paid for with points. God bless rewards arbitrage.

Ideally, I'd like to keep one or two of these girls as mistresses to supplement the Vietnamese chick I have as my main... found her on another dating site, but that was just pure luck.

Very much kicking myself for not starting this as soon as I moved out here.

This stuff is priceless...shows how bad the economy really is.

(04-01-2016 01:56 PM)straightarrow Wrote:  This stuff is priceless...shows how bad the economy really is.

What is?

It's kinda logical, why date someone when you can do the same and get paid?

The rules of the game remain the same, chumps pay....we don't.

One thing constantly overlooked about this site is that most women in general simply have no avenue to actually meet men with their shit together.

Despite what we think, most women live boring, humdrum lives with little time or resource to be out and about constantly.

That's why it is so easy to swoop them and bypass all the payment shit...often they aren't really interested in that side of things anyway...unless you're a beta chump.

The site is full of semi pros trying to convince themselves they are not hookers and 6s and 7s that think they deserve a $1000/week allowance.

Having said that, if you are youngish looking and in ok shape, you can get some decent mileage without having to pay. There is a percentage of girls there who actually like the idea of being with an older man.

(04-02-2016 12:17 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  The site is full of semi pros trying to convince themselves they are not hookers and 6s and 7s that think they deserve a $1000/week allowance.

Having said that, if you are youngish looking and in ok shape, you can get some decent mileage without having to pay. There is a percentage of girls there who actually like the idea of being with an older man.

Some of the women on the site use it to meet and fuck a man with status when they're ovulating and aren't necessarily looking for money, although they probably don't even realize what they're doing.

By the way, SA isn't the only sugar daddy (SD) site out there, so if SA isn't working out for you very well in your area, you might try these sites:

* MillionaireMatch- Has verified and non-verified memberships, just like SA.
* SeekingMillionaire- Run by the same company as SA and looks like it requires you to verify your income. I don't know how hard it is to fake your income to them.
* Sugar Daddy for Me- Perhaps the largest SD site after SA. One nice feature it has that SA doesn't is that the girls can fill out a calendar showing when they're free.
* Established Men- About the same size as Sugar Daddy for Me. Run by the same idiots who run AshleyMadison, but this site actually gets good reviews for being user friendly.
* Rich Men- Looks like it's smaller than Established Men but gets ok reviews on the Internet.

There are about 10 other sites under the SD or affluent men genre (like ArrangementFinders) but they appear to have a lot of complaints with selling users' personal data, not regulating scammers and hookers, and not responding when users have payment concerns or want to terminate their membership.