(07-13-2014 08:57 PM)slubu Wrote:  Anyone know how to speed up a hickey going away? Shit got out of hand at the world cup final.

Use a cold spoon. Leave it on for about 5 minutes.

(07-13-2014 09:25 AM)Lothario Wrote:  

Shout out to Cobra I talked to him for about an hr hashing game this and that and that gave me a new motivation to game actively. I did about 5 Day game approaches got one number etc etc and also started on SA again.

One of the craziest days yesterday where I lined up 3 dates from SA as I had some time to myself that day.

1. First date at Noon: Day didn't start right, this one Flaked, I talked to this Girl on the phone and everything was hunky dory and then she disappeared from the face of the earth. Day didn't start right but that's why I like to stack 2 or 3 dates in row on days I have some time.

2. Second date at 3:30 PM: She drove from 80 miles, we did talk on the phone, she asked me what I want her to wear, I told her a Sundress and she did, white 21 y/o College student with very nice Ass for a white girl. me gusta.

She showed up on time, I had Intentionally told her to meet me at a Restaurant that is 2 blocks from my Apt and closes at 3 PM, It is open only for Breakfast and Lunch.

I met her outside and apologized as I am new to town and didn't knew this place closes at 3 and suggested to bounce to sandwich place at the corner of my street, got the sandwiches and told her lets go watch the Soccer Game (Holland Vs Brazil) it's about to start in 10 min.

We are at my place watching game, get to know each other, she is eating my brand of game, I saw the pupils in her green eyes get dilated. After the second goal I go for a Kiss and she was into it , I put my hand under her dress to squeeze her Ass and she brushes it away, watch the game again and re-escalate, denied again and then she says just to let you know, I don't have sex on first date (Yep we know about that one), We already agreed on a day for the second date, She told me she loves kissing and dirty talk which we did .......tried a couple more times after freeze outs but no go and I decided to go for when in doubt flip it out and guess what the agreed upon mantra of when in Doubt flip it out backfired

She got up and said I am going to leave, I told you we are not having sex today, I tried to calm her down but she said she has a family member in the hospital and wants to visit them, I told her since she drove 80 miles to see me I will at least fill her gas tank, we walked to her car, filled the gas tank and she dropped me back home, we kissed again in the car. I'm optimistic about a second date bang.

3. Third Date at 6 PM: third time was the charm, yes It was a bang, I posted it in the + 1 thread.

Maybe it's just because I'm reading here and thinking about things more, but I noticed a difference in wording on my last failed attempt at the bang. Got shut down repeatedly Friday and couldn't break through the LMR for the first time in the last couple months since I've been single again. Worked it for hours with two steps forward one back and a couple freeze outs, got on her bed, got my dick out, fingered her from behind but couldn't get beyond that. I noticed that unlike the others who've said "I don't want to have sex", "we're not having sex", "we can just cuddle" etc she repeatedly referenced the "first date" as well. Anyone else noticed a pattern with more difficult LMR and first date references?

I got cockblocked by own by own cock last night.

It's sunday, so I was doubting any place would be good but a buddy wants to go out. Takes about 20 minutes to walk the local area as I show him around and we look all the good bars to see what the scene is like. A little dive bar I know of actually has some decent numbers.

I roll up in there with my buddy whos girlfriend is about to break up with him, he's got game though so he doesn't really give a fuck. I could tell my friend was rusty, he wouldn't open anyone, but when I get the girls talking he would come in and spit some game. I'm opening pretty much every chick I see just being friendly and trying to feel out which ones I wanted to target for the night. Settle on these two artsy chicks. Decent, but nothing crazy.

Chat them up for a bit, see a cute chick on the opposite side of the room I go talk to for a bit. She ends up writing her number on the back of my biz card, she writes her full name. First, Middle, and Last. Thats a good sign.

Go back to help my buddy with the artsy chicks. They agree to continue the afterparty at my apartment, which I of course cleaned and stocked with alcohol before going out. I'm thinking, this is in the bag. So we walk outside and run into one of their friends. She instantly knew me. I had met her and some of her friends a few months back at a different bar and ended up banging her friend that night and the next morning.

"I fucking know you" - girl
"Ah, my reputation proceeeds me" - Anti
"Do you know Girl X" - girl (talking about her friend I fucked)
"Yes I do, shes a very sweet girl" - Anti (I had already figured what was coming)
"She's my best friend"
"Oh nice tell her I said Hi, your friends and I are headed back to my place for some guitar playing and a small afterparty, you should come" <--- attempting to deflate situation
"Oh no theyre not" - girl

She then proceeds to tell the girls I'm a player etc etc etc and pulls them away and makes them leave. I could tell they still wanted to come, but I just waved goodbye and blew one a kiss. Damn shame, getting cockblocked because of a girl I fucked one night three-four months ago.

Started shooting the shit with some other chicks that were outside the bar. They were waiting for a taxi. A minute or two I threw out the afterparty invite. They were down, just had to "run it by their boyfriends who were tabbing out". Fuck that, I'm not letting some dude drink for free at my place.

Headed back to my place, ran into a cute asian girl opening up a small restaurant. Opened her. Shot the shit for a while, she was going in there to pick up her check or something (at 1am? wtf?). She seemed to be enjoying the conversation but I could tell it wasn't going anywhere. I think she gave my buddy her number, I can't really remember.

Then we bounced to grab a bite to eat and ended the night. Not bad for a Sunday night after a real hot weekend.

(07-14-2014 04:48 AM)Gorgiass Wrote:  Maybe it's just because I'm reading here and thinking about things more, but I noticed a difference in wording on my last failed attempt at the bang. Got shut down repeatedly Friday and couldn't break through the LMR for the first time in the last couple months since I've been single again. Worked it for hours with two steps forward one back and a couple freeze outs, got on her bed, got my dick out, fingered her from behind but couldn't get beyond that. I noticed that unlike the others who've said "I don't want to have sex", "we're not having sex", "we can just cuddle" etc she repeatedly referenced the "first date" as well. Anyone else noticed a pattern with more difficult LMR and first date references?

"It is ultimately the Players Responsibility to remove the feeling of guilt from girl's mind"

Call it Crazy Chic Logic but they are justifying in their head that they didn't put out on first date and are not sluts. On one of the Blogs may be CMQ's there was a great article on narrowing in on the reason behind LMR and breaking through it.

1. Girl is not comfortable enough yet (Go back to comfort building)

2. She doesn't want to appear slutty. (Give her the memorized dialect of how society has double standards for women and men and blah blah blah about this being a special moment that you want to share with her). I can not write for shit but memorize something from the thread I will mention later, particularly Subu's and rationalize-this posts.

Here is another Gem by Slubu

I have had girls that mentined no sex on first date and they meant it but guess what there was no resistance on 2nd date so may be not a bad thing overall to encounter.

I work 9-5, i lift, i eat, i sleep.

I don't have weekends off either, work 10-8 on weekends also.

How the hell does a guy have time to approach with this nightmare of a lifestyle.

Deep inside, my brain is saying dude, get your job and body on point. But my dick is saying, fuck all the girls you can.

My fucking cripple is tinder man. I feel like I'm losing my grasp on the few handful of chicks I've had in my harem.

This is suppose to be summer and suppose to be fun. I need to get out of this fucking rat race man.

I find myself not messaging girls 2:1 time ratio, i feel the thirst is grasping a little, I need to step back.

Delete it or step away from it for a while. I turned off notifications for matches, moment likes, and messages so that they wouldn't distract me. The only times I use Tinder is late at night(12-3am) when I'm bored. Do other activities to keep you occupied, like meditation, martial arts, yoga classes, or just go to a local park and day game for about an hour or so.

(07-14-2014 02:44 PM)game_ethic Wrote:  Delete it or step away from it for a while. I turned off notifications for matches, moment likes, and messages so that they wouldn't distract me. The only times I use Tinder is late at night(12-3am) when I'm bored. Do other activities to keep you occupied, like meditation, martial arts, yoga classes, or just go to a local park and day game for about an hour or so.

That's my problem, I can't go to a local park during the day since I'm working.

I should also add i've got a HB 8 main girl. We've been banging for 6 months, no mention of a relationship, no drama, I already assume she's fucking other dudes. It's pretty blissful to say the least and I've got no case of oneitis either !

I think my frustration is fucking new chicks.

(07-13-2014 07:45 PM)Renberg Wrote:  

(07-13-2014 06:17 PM)soup Wrote:  I have an idea for an after hour party game plan on a sat night.

A group of players split up hit up the outside of different crowded venues on a fri or sat. Each one suggest after party and round up a group of girls.

Then every buddy convenes at location and it's on.

The idea is to not have to go out until closing time, and to get a bunch of girls in the same place with a few players who are all in cahoots.

Would you meet up at an apartment that's relatively close to all of yours? The most difficult part seems to logistically all be on the same page.

Yes- it would have to be at a set location that you all agree on.

The point is to make an actual after party but only with your boys who are in on the plan.

It's a "kill box" strategy. You are leading the lambs to the slaughter house. There isn't any competition.

If you guys are good/cool, then you are bringing these girls to a cool party with "hot" dudes and preselection is running rampant.

I came up with this idea because I sensed that there's loose game energy that can be harnessed if the players worked together more. Like a whole is greater than the sum of the parts kind of thing.

Working with one wingman is good usually because you can bounce of each other's energy and it's more social.

If you are working in cahoots with several guys who really do know what they are doing, I think the opportunities could be even more.

(07-14-2014 03:31 PM)soup Wrote:  

(07-13-2014 07:45 PM)Renberg Wrote:  

(07-13-2014 06:17 PM)soup Wrote:  I have an idea for an after hour party game plan on a sat night.

A group of players split up hit up the outside of different crowded venues on a fri or sat. Each one suggest after party and round up a group of girls.

Then every buddy convenes at location and it's on.

The idea is to not have to go out until closing time, and to get a bunch of girls in the same place with a few players who are all in cahoots.

Would you meet up at an apartment that's relatively close to all of yours? The most difficult part seems to logistically all be on the same page.

Yes- it would have to be at a set location that you all agree on.

The point is to make an actual after party but only with your boys who are in on the plan.

It's a "kill box" strategy. You are leading the lambs to the slaughter house. There isn't any competition.

If you guys are good/cool, then you are bringing these girls to a cool party with "hot" dudes and preselection is running rampant.

I came up with this idea because I sensed that there's loose game energy that can be harnessed if the players worked together more. Like a whole is greater than the sum of the parts kind of thing.

Working with one wingman is good usually because you can bounce of each other's energy and it's more social.

If you are working in cahoots with several guys who really do know what they are doing, I think the opportunities could be even more.

Fuck that sounds like so much fun. If the NYC version is a hit I'll try to set up a London one.

(07-14-2014 03:31 PM)soup Wrote:  

(07-13-2014 07:45 PM)Renberg Wrote:  

(07-13-2014 06:17 PM)soup Wrote:  I have an idea for an after hour party game plan on a sat night.

A group of players split up hit up the outside of different crowded venues on a fri or sat. Each one suggest after party and round up a group of girls.

Then every buddy convenes at location and it's on.

The idea is to not have to go out until closing time, and to get a bunch of girls in the same place with a few players who are all in cahoots.

Would you meet up at an apartment that's relatively close to all of yours? The most difficult part seems to logistically all be on the same page.

Yes- it would have to be at a set location that you all agree on.

The point is to make an actual after party but only with your boys who are in on the plan.

It's a "kill box" strategy. You are leading the lambs to the slaughter house. There isn't any competition.

If you guys are good/cool, then you are bringing these girls to a cool party with "hot" dudes and preselection is running rampant.

I came up with this idea because I sensed that there's loose game energy that can be harnessed if the players worked together more. Like a whole is greater than the sum of the parts kind of thing.

Working with one wingman is good usually because you can bounce of each other's energy and it's more social.

If you are working in cahoots with several guys who really do know what they are doing, I think the opportunities could be even more.

Awesome. It all makes sense, but definitely advanced game. If you do that one night soon, it would be awesome to hear how things went.

Seems like a decent amount of logistical planning (house, booze, etc.), but when it comes to the actual gaming and "herding" of chicks -- minimal effort for a great party.

(07-14-2014 04:17 PM)Renberg Wrote:  

(07-14-2014 03:31 PM)soup Wrote:  

(07-13-2014 07:45 PM)Renberg Wrote:  

(07-13-2014 06:17 PM)soup Wrote:  I have an idea for an after hour party game plan on a sat night.

A group of players split up hit up the outside of different crowded venues on a fri or sat. Each one suggest after party and round up a group of girls.

Then every buddy convenes at location and it's on.

The idea is to not have to go out until closing time, and to get a bunch of girls in the same place with a few players who are all in cahoots.

Would you meet up at an apartment that's relatively close to all of yours? The most difficult part seems to logistically all be on the same page.

Yes- it would have to be at a set location that you all agree on.

The point is to make an actual after party but only with your boys who are in on the plan.

It's a "kill box" strategy. You are leading the lambs to the slaughter house. There isn't any competition.

If you guys are good/cool, then you are bringing these girls to a cool party with "hot" dudes and preselection is running rampant.

I came up with this idea because I sensed that there's loose game energy that can be harnessed if the players worked together more. Like a whole is greater than the sum of the parts kind of thing.

Working with one wingman is good usually because you can bounce of each other's energy and it's more social.

If you are working in cahoots with several guys who really do know what they are doing, I think the opportunities could be even more.

Awesome. It all makes sense, but definitely advanced game. If you do that one night soon, it would be awesome to hear how things went.

Seems like a decent amount of logistical planning (house, booze, etc.), but when it comes to the actual gaming and "herding" of chicks -- minimal effort for a great party.

I could see threesomes happening with this move, easily.

(07-13-2014 08:36 PM)Valhalla Wrote:  

(07-13-2014 01:48 PM)CJ Wrote:  

(07-13-2014 02:47 AM)Valhalla Wrote:  Many women recently have been telling me I seem like trouble, or I'm trouble.

What do you guys think this means?

They're turning my tactics against you!

it's not said in a teasing way. they believe it and often have this intrigued look on their face.

Meh, if they're intrigued then it's definitely not a bad thing. Women love trying to see if they can "tame" that kind of guy.

(07-13-2014 09:01 PM)game_ethic Wrote:  

(07-13-2014 08:57 PM)slubu Wrote:  Anyone know how to speed up a hickey going away? Shit got out of hand at the world cup final.

Use a cold spoon. Leave it on for about 5 minutes.

That only works for like 1-3 hours after the deed

(07-13-2014 02:54 PM)Rage_on Wrote:  I am 33 recently divorced and new to game. I would appreciate a few tips on a) getting called out on my age by younger girls and b) dealing emotionally with flaky girls or girls who were into me and then just shut off (in this case quite adversarialy). I would post in the newbie but those guys are a little TOO green to be helpful.

Lots of vets, myself included, frequently answer questions in the newbie forum, so you should not be hesitant to post these types of questions there.

Regarding your two specific questions though:

1. getting called out on my age by younger girls

This is only a big deal if you make it one. When you know the girl is a bit younger, start off by telling her to "guess" your age. If she guesses way too low then you start by acting like she's "too young" and may not be "mature enough" to date you. You want her on the defensive trying to validate herself as dateable, not the other way around.


2. dealing emotionally with flaky girls or girls who were into me and then just shut off

You mean dealing with your own emotions? The best advice I can give you here is that you'll build up a tolerance to this as time passes. Ya, some of them still hurt, as you put in a certain amount of effort and expect a certain result, but that doesn't always happen and that's just how the game goes. Eventually you'll come to expect flakes, and they won't bother you so much because you'll have other options.

I'm at my work macking it to a table of Scottish chicks.

Downsides of living in a relatively small city(population of 600 000)?

Had a date last night and while i'm waiting for the chick i'm about to see i get a text from some girl that i had been on a date with, but did not bang yet: "You've been seen". There is a park outside of my apartment that she had been sitting in and had seen me leave my apartment.

I knew i had to enter my apartment again 2 hours later with my date.
Luckily the sun was not up anymore and the park was mostly empty when we came back to my place.

This morning as i was waiting for the metro with my date from previous date(she had stayed over) a thought popped into my mind... One of my regulars commutes to work every morning on this same metro(there is only one route in downtown Helsinki). Would be a shame for my regular to see me enter the metro with a girl that i had just banged.

Now i know all about preselection, but i have enough relative value already that them seeing me with another girl would probably result in one of the plates come crashing down.

I normally don't do daytime approaches, but because of reading the forum & the fact that she was a very beautiful (8.5-9) 18 year old that stood out in the crowd at a local festival this weekend, I did anyway and got the number. She seems to live closeby to my place.

Text exchange this morning
(11.41) Me: Anything to do tomorrow night?
(11.46) She: Euh, I have to work during the day, but I'm free in the evening
(13.01) Me: Cool, I'm home tomorrow evening, so if you'd like to come by.. You know where I live now right. 20h?
(13.11) She: Ok :-p And would you find it ok if I would bring someone or rather not?
(13.45) Me: Your bodyguard? No worries, I don't bite (unintentionally)
(13.53) She: No, it's not that I don't trust you, but because there's a girl driving with me from work
(14.16) Me: Sounds weird, no. If the timing isn't ok, no problem, we'll do it later, just let me know
(14.20) She: Ok, no problem - I will But thanks for inviting me
(14.21) Me: k
(14.26) She: Hey but Casio, if I would come a bit later, and drop her of at home first, would it be ok for you if I come afterwards?
(14.27) Me: Yeah, no problem - I'm home anyway tomorrow
(14.29) She: Ok super Cya tomorrow!

I checked her fb, she has multiple pictures with +100 and +200 likes and orbiters saying how great she looks. She's quite young and obviously not used to being rejected.

Anyone elese notice that girls with gummy teeth can be harder to kiss? I think it's because the more distance of gum between the bottom of the lip and the beginning of the the upper row means that her entire tooth set is actually extended lower.

I've had issues kissing girls with other types of mouths/teeth as well. Something about having too much upper tooth sticking out makes it hard to lock jaws.

On the other side, there are some girls mouths that seem to fit perfectly with my mine.

This is important for me now. When I was less experienced I probably wouldn't have noticed this, but I've probably kissed with at least a thousand girls by now.

Last night I was tired so I decided to go home early. On my way back, I bumped into the Spanish girl on her bike down my block at like 130am. We'd actually been texting yesterday.

I had met her on subway a while back. She got a fun bongo butt let's me fuck her raw, but her teeth are like how I described. I think she's self conscious of it because she's always adjusting her smile.

Anyway, I've realized that I don't like kissing her that much. The sex is fun but now I think it's time to back off untily next dry spell or whatever.

The question now is: how do I phase her out without burning a bridge for future reserve pussy. I know- I shouldn't be in the mindset that I'll need rations, but I still there might be some value in mastering the art of the non-permanent phase out.

Sexiness is one of the things I look for in a girl. A girl could be pretty but that doesn't mean she's sexy (actually say that on dates and it makes girls work twice as hard for it )

Had a date with a 6.5 (not ugly, plain jane) and I couldn't bring myself to close even though I have a dry spell and she wanted to. Some girls don't inspire action I guess. Now if there isn't that element of sexy, it's just not going to happen.

I also have a similar version of the boner rest, "would I raw-dog?" If the answer is yes then I continue working.

(07-14-2014 01:00 PM)Lothario Wrote:  

(07-14-2014 04:48 AM)Gorgiass Wrote:  Maybe it's just because I'm reading here and thinking about things more, but I noticed a difference in wording on my last failed attempt at the bang. Got shut down repeatedly Friday and couldn't break through the LMR for the first time in the last couple months since I've been single again. Worked it for hours with two steps forward one back and a couple freeze outs, got on her bed, got my dick out, fingered her from behind but couldn't get beyond that. I noticed that unlike the others who've said "I don't want to have sex", "we're not having sex", "we can just cuddle" etc she repeatedly referenced the "first date" as well. Anyone else noticed a pattern with more difficult LMR and first date references?

"It is ultimately the Players Responsibility to remove the feeling of guilt from girl's mind"

Call it Crazy Chic Logic but they are justifying in their head that they didn't put out on first date and are not sluts. On one of the Blogs may be CMQ's there was a great article on narrowing in on the reason behind LMR and breaking through it.

1. Girl is not comfortable enough yet (Go back to comfort building)

2. She doesn't want to appear slutty. (Give her the memorized dialect of how society has double standards for women and men and blah blah blah about this being a special moment that you want to share with her). I can not write for shit but memorize something from the thread I will mention later, particularly Subu's and rationalize-this posts.

Here is another Gem by Slubu

I have had girls that mentined no sex on first date and they meant it but guess what there was no resistance on 2nd date so may be not a bad thing overall to encounter.

Good point. Sometimes, it's cool to do the opposite of what is expected. When she has hear guard sky high and expects a hard push for sex, counter with a cool non-chalant vibe. Sex is almost guaranteed next time around.

(07-14-2014 01:00 PM)Lothario Wrote:  

(07-14-2014 04:48 AM)Gorgiass Wrote:  Maybe it's just because I'm reading here and thinking about things more, but I noticed a difference in wording on my last failed attempt at the bang. Got shut down repeatedly Friday and couldn't break through the LMR for the first time in the last couple months since I've been single again. Worked it for hours with two steps forward one back and a couple freeze outs, got on her bed, got my dick out, fingered her from behind but couldn't get beyond that. I noticed that unlike the others who've said "I don't want to have sex", "we're not having sex", "we can just cuddle" etc she repeatedly referenced the "first date" as well. Anyone else noticed a pattern with more difficult LMR and first date references?

"It is ultimately the Players Responsibility to remove the feeling of guilt from girl's mind"

Call it Crazy Chic Logic but they are justifying in their head that they didn't put out on first date and are not sluts. On one of the Blogs may be CMQ's there was a great article on narrowing in on the reason behind LMR and breaking through it.

1. Girl is not comfortable enough yet (Go back to comfort building)

2. She doesn't want to appear slutty. (Give her the memorized dialect of how society has double standards for women and men and blah blah blah about this being a special moment that you want to share with her). I can not write for shit but memorize something from the thread I will mention later, particularly Subu's and rationalize-this posts.

Here is another Gem by Slubu

I have had girls that mentined no sex on first date and they meant it but guess what there was no resistance on 2nd date so may be not a bad thing overall to encounter.

Just read that Slubu post - agreed, classic shit under the pressure of a LMR

The reason it works is because he beat her to the punch

When you can get AHEAD of her counterargument and express what she's feeling, it conveys that you are thoughtful and sincere/understanding.

Also using the words "strong" is a good keyword to incorporate to give her more comfort in the decision she's about to make. I've used the word "mature" to younger girls; more challenging, but has worked to allow them to live up to that description by having sex with me.

(07-10-2014 04:31 PM)soup Wrote:  I'm getting to a point where it's clear that I shouldn't be macking it to girls lower than 7.

(07-12-2014 12:59 AM)soup Wrote:  I'm really starting to think that it's just not worth it to bother with mediocre girls.

I recently came to the same conclusion.

Banging anything below a 7 is just not worth my time anymore.

I don't get any satisfaction or fulfillment from it.

It is a disservice to myself. It means that I don't know my own value.

I can get girls on my level or higher, I don't need to go lower.

I feel that going lower actually hurts my game.

I would honestly rather masturbate and save my precious time and energy for a higher quality girl.

http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-36509-...#pid738002

If a girl's body is not slim and toned, I don't want to get naked with her.

My standards have gone up as my game has gone up.

(07-15-2014 11:33 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(07-10-2014 04:31 PM)soup Wrote:  I'm getting to a point where it's clear that I shouldn't be macking it to girls lower than 7.

(07-12-2014 12:59 AM)soup Wrote:  I'm really starting to think that it's just not worth it to bother with mediocre girls.

I recently came to the same conclusion.

Banging anything below a 7 is just not worth my time anymore.

I don't get any satisfaction or fulfillment from it.

It is a disservice to myself. It means that I don't know my own value.

I can get girls on my level or higher, I don't need to go lower.

I feel that going lower actually hurts my game.

I would honestly rather masturbate and save my precious time and energy for a higher quality girl.

http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-36509-...#pid738002

If a girl's body is not slim and toned, I don't want to get naked with her.

My standards have gone up as my game has gone up.

I came to the same conclusion yesterday while on a date with a 6.5, couldn't bring myself to close, sometimes I don't know if it's a blessing or a curse though.

(07-15-2014 11:33 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(07-10-2014 04:31 PM)soup Wrote:  I'm getting to a point where it's clear that I shouldn't be macking it to girls lower than 7.

(07-12-2014 12:59 AM)soup Wrote:  I'm really starting to think that it's just not worth it to bother with mediocre girls.

I recently came to the same conclusion.

Banging anything below a 7 is just not worth my time anymore.

I don't get any satisfaction or fulfillment from it.

It is a disservice to myself. It means that I don't know my own value.

I can get girls on my level or higher, I don't need to go lower.

I feel that going lower actually hurts my game.

I would honestly rather masturbate and save my precious time and energy for a higher quality girl.

http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-36509-...#pid738002

If a girl's body is not slim and toned, I don't want to get naked with her.

My standards have gone up as my game has gone up.

They say that boredom is actually good because it means you are ready to go to the next level.

This fucking thread


So many feels