Something strange happened last night. I get a call at 00.30, was just falling asleep.

Male voice: *mutters*
Me: "Huh, who is this?"
Voice: *says something unclear*
Me: "Luc? Luc Who?"
Voice: says his last name, suddenly more firm as if he grabs all the confidence in the world together
*I realise who i'm talking to. His first name is not Luc at all, which is hilarious*
Voice: "And next time you touch my girlfriend I'm calling the cops!"
Me: "Yeah, you do whatever you feel like man"
*I hang up.*

Backstory:
Used to have this girl who was my bootycall for a while, very easy - when out at night we exchanged very short messages and if we were both on the road and felt like it we met at my place. Our messages were logistics only, never a lot of talk before & after. Very convenient.

This ended like 10 months ago when she got a bf who also comes from my wider social circle, so I still see her (and her bf) like every 3/4 weeks somewhere, but we don't really talk (never did).

So last saturdaynight I was quite drunk, and saw her on her own when I was about to go home. Asked her in person if she felt like going to my place, but she said the "No, I have a boyfriend now, you know that". I said "K, but it's way too crowded here, let's walk to my place anyways". She agreed without questioning. On the way to my place I tried to kiss her, and she said no. I tried again and she got mad.
I said: "yeah whatever, have a good night" and returned home.
Got a message the day after that she didn't appreciate what I did at all, and now apparently told her BF.

I'm sure more drama will come from this from their part, but it reminds me again why I normally try to avoid social circle stuff (and might need to drink less).

New opener for this week, day or night: Hey, let's grab drinks at my place this weekend & watch World cup?

If she says no, then obviously: What, you don't like soccer?

Went out on a Tinder date tonight -- girl was smoking in her pictures -- falsely advertised. But it was refreshing to hear a girl tell me, "You're trouble. I like it" and let me know that I'm different from other guys.

There's nothing better than a reminder that the study and implementation of game is paying off.

(07-08-2014 06:28 PM)horn Wrote:  New opener for this week, day or night: Hey, let's grab drinks at my place this weekend & watch World cup?

If she says no, then obviously: What, you don't like soccer?

So basically it's the 'Hey, let's go back to my place, eat pizza and fuck.'

What, you don't like pizza?

Regarding the responses to my question about isolating a two guy/two girl afterparty in a studio:

@simondice - I like rolling solo at times, but I'm usually out with people so that's not an option. Plus it's usually more fun as a group.

@goldmund - yeah that setup would work, but I really don't want to put that much effort into redecorating, lol

So far the best method I found is to make the last minute split - get in different cabs and say you are going to the same place, etc.

Here's something I am toying with based on observation this year. Adjusting my game based on the physical quality of the girl.

I've gone out with two girls this year that I would say are considerably above average in looks. One was really attractive, the other very cute. Now I'm not saying I'm going out with dogs by any means, but for example the first girl garnered a random male telling me "Dude..." and me responding "I know" in an understood reference to her looks.

Anyway in both instances, I tried to run the same game as usual, and in both instances, the girls disengaged for me being "too aggressive." Keep in mind, this is the same game that most girls love and I bang with.

MikeCF wrote once here (and I'll never find it) that the effort required to get an 8 over a 7 is exponential, and a 9 over an 8 even more exponential. So yesterday I went out with my third very attractive girl of the year. I did everything I normally do, except I did not try to kiss or bang her on the first date. I was very flirty and touchy to make sure she knows what my intention is, but didn't push it. Let's see what happens.

Curious if you guys have any thoughts on this. There is always two schools of thought - treat every girl like a fat girl (HT to delicioustacos for that), or adjust your game for the quality of the girl.

Note: Didn't meet any of these girls as a result of night game, which I don't count in this scenario because that I would push hard no matter what the looks on initial meet.

Slubu- I'm glad the subway opener worked for you.

As far as gaming different quality girls goes.. I think that the game required for an 8 versus a 6 is different, not just more or less.

The reason I say this is because I've actually found myself struggling more with sixes sometimes than 8s.

Most of the high quality girls I hook up with give me very little resistance, but the lower ones are the more bitchy.

I think a lot of this has to do with tribal identification.

Once you are accepted into the greenzone with a quality girl, there aren't any more surprise security check points. In fact, in my experience it's the opposite- they start to pedestalize you instead of the reverse.

The lower level girls are always suspicious and constantly trying to neg or test or get the upper hand. This is probably because they've probably had to go through life not relying on looks but by using their wits/wile.

The hippy girl 8 whom I just finished seeing (because she's leaving town) was talking about our relationship in a way in which she described me as easy to get.. Like I didn't put up resistance etc. The script was clearly flipped with her (despite her also being a raging left winger).

To me, this felt much more natural than chasing after a 6. That said, I've been in the game for a years and my gut is more trust worthy now than when I first started out (I still have to ignore approach anxiety).

I've had to climb mountains of LMR with 6s.. 8s are either yes or no (as opposed to a 6's constant yellow light).

Here's how I've seen lower quality insecurity versus higher:
Lower quality girls are afraid that you'll take advantage of them and pump and dump, while higher quality will fall in love easier and become afraid of losing or saying goodbye.

They are similar insecurities but one is adversarial and defensive while the other is more vulnerable (I think this is why the hotter girls tend bring out my protector instincts more).

Note: all of this based on you being as cool as you can be- you have to look and act the part. Dress well and carry yourself confidently.

(07-09-2014 08:16 AM)slubu Wrote:  Adjusting my game based on the physical quality of the girl.

I would say it more like this...

Adjust your game to fit her "vibe" -- i.e. -- The levels chemistry, attraction, and compatibility that you are sensing.

Don't get passive just because a girl is beautiful. She might be horny, she might like you, etc.

If she is responding well to your game, keep going. If not, calibrate.

Calibration is really the key word.

Be more subtle and sophisticated with your game.

They don't want to be treated like a 7. They want to be treated like a 9.

They want their "value" to be recognized.

Adjust your game to the situation, the chemistry, and her looks.

This might mean less aggressive, more aggressive, or just more subtle.

9s are no less sexual than 7s. The just communicate at a slightly different frequency.

I know some slutty 9s and some prude 7s.

(07-09-2014 08:16 AM)slubu Wrote:  the girls disengaged for me being "too aggressive."

They said you were too aggressive?

I sense that you were treating them like a drunk 7 in a night club.

If they are NOT a drunk 7 in a nightclub, and instead they are a beautiful 9 on a first date, you must calibrate to the situation.

They know that they are higher quality and they want to be gamed with a more refined sense of "quality".

They want to see if you know how to act around beautiful women. Do you have class, taste, style, wit, etc.

They don't want to be treated like a drunk 7 in a nightclub.

That won't come until after you have banged them once or twice.

(07-09-2014 08:16 AM)slubu Wrote:  the effort required to get an 8 over a 7 is exponential, and a 9 over an 8 even more exponential.

I used to believe this..

I no longer do.

It all depends on chemistry, attraction, and compatibility.

If the 8 is physically attracted to me and/or below me on the social totem pole. She might be easier than the 7 who is not as attracted to me.

OUR NUMBER is the one that matters.

The more attractive and valuable we are, the easier it gets to pull beautiful girls.

I used to be a 6.5. Getting 7s and 8s was tough.

Then, I started presenting myself better, dressing better, grooming better, working out. I became a 7, getting 7s got much easier because of the mutual attraction.

Then, I took things a step further. I learned how to add some muscle to my frame. My fashion sense got even better, my haircut evolved, my shoes, my teeth, cologne, body language, etc.

I became a 7.5, getting 7s and 7.5s got much easier.

I even get the occasional 8 now.

Gaming 8s is no harder than gaming 7s. The hardest part was getting myself from a 6 to a 7. Making myself more attractive!

(07-09-2014 08:16 AM)slubu Wrote:  There is always two schools of thought - treat every girl like a fat girl or adjust your game for the quality of the girl.

I think we should adjust our game to the situation, not so much the "quality" of the girl.

What if the girl is on vacation? Drunk? Attracted? Turned on? Partying? Etc.?

In some of these cases, we should actually get MORE aggressive with the beautiful girl. Just calibrate your aggression for a 9 instead of a 7.

(07-09-2014 10:07 AM)soup Wrote:  As far as gaming different quality girls goes.. I think that the game required for an 8 versus a 6 is different, not just more or less.

I think a lot of this has to do with tribal identification.

Once you are accepted into the greenzone with a quality girl, there aren't any more surprise security check points. In fact, in my experience it's the opposite- they start to pedestalize you instead of the reverse.

This is beautiful stuff!

I agree 100% with that entire post.

I look forward to meeting you one day Soup!

(07-09-2014 03:06 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  Then, I started presenting myself better, dressing better, grooming better, working out. I became a 7, getting 7s got much easier because of the mutual attraction.

Then, I took things a step further. I learned how to add some muscle to my frame. My fashion sense got even better, my haircut evolved, my shoes, my teeth, cologne, body language, etc.

I became a 7.5, getting 7s and 7.5s got much easier.

I even get the occasional 8 now.

Gaming 8s is no harder than gaming 7s. The hardest part was getting myself from a 6 to a 7. Making myself more attractive!

Same to you man!

In the "hip" parts of NYC where all the white non-native type girls hang, fashion is probably the most important thing. Body language is also crucial. Muscles don't seem to matter as much as they probably would in a beach area like LA or Florida. Also, height and face seem to be more important than muscles around where I hang.

This is because being cool is the hottest commodity in North Brooklyn. Being famous, hip.. you look like a somebody that is either coming from a lot of money or has a lot money in their future.

Examples:
For white guys- you look like you come from old money, but are hanging out not caring about much.
Black guys- you look like a "blipster" (black hipster... stupid term, but that's what it gets described as) who is in touch with ghetto primalness but also has connection with VICE or is some hot shot DJ or up and coming underground MC.

It's all about living in that greenzone.

You have to dress the part. What's your in, you are in.

(07-09-2014 03:41 PM)soup Wrote:  It's all about living in that greenzone.

Powerful insight!

I always wanted 8s but struggled to get them.

I gamed them hard, I approached a million of them.

None of that worked.

What worked was becoming an 8 myself. "Looking the part" as Soup said..

Dressing like an 8, carrying myself like an 8, making more money, etc.

"living in The Greenzone"!

Awesome!

Number closed 2 girls this last weekend which was my bday, both in the same small piano bar. The first was a friends friends sister, but the brother was cool. She even bought my cover charge since I didn't have cash, bought her a drink.

(Sunday)We chatted towards the end of the night pulled at my phone told her put your number in. We text the next morning for a bit, then i pull mcqueens "you me, x location, at y time" she never responded. I found out later that morning she was banging one of my friends who was there (off and on) so that's a no go. Next day we end up at my buddies (who banged) her house. The girl ends up showing up with her sis, her sis and my boy want some blow. The girl drives her sis and my boy (i had a bad feeling) turns out she got a DUI...pretty shitty situation...turns out she has a daughter also.....bullet dodged.

(Sunday) I also number closed a girl who was a waitress there, she looked familiar, i walked up to her, turns out I got her number before. Tell her it's been ages and grab a drink, instant shit test/excuse "well i work all the time blah blah" - my response was "I work 7 days a week and yet here I am" -hand her my phone - she puts her number in. I sent her that standard mcqueen "it's that sexy bearded mother fucker named alex etc" no response....texted her again this afternoon. I'm pretty sure it was a dead end.


Sidenote: There was the purple hairs older punk rocker girl who was with her friends, I couldn't find anytime to approach her alone, and my group game is next to non existent. I should've caught her on the way back from the bathroom. Only regret of the night.

It felt good to be in my element and approach girls, mostly I was having fun with friends and getting drunk. All in all a good birthday weekend, I also skydived again.

(07-09-2014 04:24 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(07-09-2014 03:41 PM)soup Wrote:  It's all about living in that greenzone.

Powerful insight!

I always wanted 8s but struggled to get them.

I gamed them hard, I approached a million of them.

None of that worked.

What worked was becoming an 8 myself. "Looking the part" as Soup said..

Dressing like an 8, carrying myself like an 8, making more money, etc.

"living in The Greenzone"!

Awesome!

I think girls see you in cool/exclusive group and they just assume that you are cool/exclusive.. they would never know if you were secretly a nerd masturbating in your mom's basement to WOW or whatever haha. Once you are in the greenzone, you could even be a nerd who plays videogames, but because you are special, it just becomes another trait that she loves about you. It's the ultimate hamster spin. You get to do whatever you want because you've become their object of worship, their god.

You can do beta things like take them out for dinner and pay, or call them the next day.. both of these things my hippy girl even said she was so happy that I did because I wasn't trying to be too cool. It's because I was already cool to her. She connected with my game (my thing, or me at this point).

Social pre-selection at work.

If you wear "pre-selected" fashion, it's the same principle.

You are essentially doing all the work for them.

The way you dress is saying to them:

"Don't worry, it's all good. You don't have to do any work trying to figure out if I'm cool/possibly rich or famous.. or even "the one" because it's obvious from my clothes"

Same with body language.. the ultimate communicator.

Basically, you want make to their job as selector or gate-keeper to sex as easy as possible. Having good game is essentially giving them them first class service.

Yeah, they could fly coach, but they'd jump at the opportunity for first class.

(07-09-2014 04:44 PM)kaotic Wrote:  (Sunday) I also number closed a girl who was a waitress there, she looked familiar, i walked up to her, turns out I got her number before. Tell her it's been ages and grab a drink, instant shit test/excuse "well i work all the time blah blah" -

I swear women have the same lines, every time some girl gives me that bullshit line, I know they're not down, at that point I usually tell them "if you're the kind of girl who can't spare 30 minutes for drinks and fun, why are we even talking? (Smirk)" in a way you are pushing them away, and the ones who are down will jump and the ones who aren't will just shrug it off.

(07-09-2014 06:20 PM)simondice Wrote:  

(07-09-2014 04:44 PM)kaotic Wrote:  (Sunday) I also number closed a girl who was a waitress there, she looked familiar, i walked up to her, turns out I got her number before. Tell her it's been ages and grab a drink, instant shit test/excuse "well i work all the time blah blah" -

I swear women have the same lines, every time some girl gives me that bullshit line, I know they're not down, at that point I usually tell them "if you're the kind of girl who can't spare 30 minutes for drinks and fun, why are we even talking? (Smirk)" in a way you are pushing them away, and the ones who are down will jump and the ones who aren't will just shrug it off.

Funny you mention this, she just texted me back saying she saved my digits but forgot to text me, and she warned me about being busy blah blah blah. Looks like I've gotta get past the shit tests and get her to a date asap, especially if she's busy. We'll see, she's one of those old conquests that you never quite reached lol.

soup and Gio, thanks for the input. That is some great advice and points you guys both make.

Sometimes I get too analytic for even myself and it's good to keep things in check. And while I am pretty confident in my game, never hurts to bounce thoughts and questions off you guys. I really enjoy the fact there is this "group of elders" on the board that can guide us in times of inquiry.

Went out with a Persian girl last night, forgot how feminine they can be. Dress, heels, perfume. I usually stay away but I may have to hit that route again.

Then at midnight got a text from a random tourist I banged before that she has a layover at JFK until the morning. She came over, had a drink, showered, banged and left. Another benefit of living on the coast...layover sex?

In the same way that we don't think it's natural for women to try to act like men, I think I'm getting to a point where it's clear that I shouldn't be macking it to girls lower than 7.

It just looks retarded at this point to me, to the lower quality girl, and to anyone else who is watching.

I still get my dry spells, but I think I need to be only going after girls that don't require extra help to push them over the boner test. I think I was hooking up with some lower quality girls in the last couple of years do get my notches up and to try things out and see what was up, but now it doesn't make sense.

Not trying to toot my own horn here, because I still struggle a lot with game, but to add to what I said about the Greenzone.. It's not just about how "much" game you have, but the appropriate game for you and the situation.

I think anyone who is good will continue to have points when they struggle, they just have a better perspective on how to not get frustrated by those points, and push through to get back on track.

The only people I could see avoiding that altogether, would be celebrities that have solid game too. I bet Sinatra never had a problem!

(07-10-2014 06:08 PM)CJ Wrote:  I think anyone who is good will continue to have points when they struggle, they just have a better perspective on how to not get frustrated by those points, and push through to get back on track.

The only people I could see avoiding that altogether, would be celebrities that have solid game too. I bet Sinatra never had a problem!

Sinatra had his insecurities about losing his hair.. at least that's what Brando said. Sinatra was interesting.. I think it might of been a situation with him where things had to be his way, or he didn't do so well.

I know that when he acted in movies, he only allowed the crew to get one take of him for each scene. That was in his contract. This suggests a certain rigidness, but also very high standards and expectations from everyone around him.

I didn't matter with women of course because he was adored by so many for a variety of reasons, but I could see Frank getting flustered or annoyed/angry over something and maybe losing his cool. To say that he probably never had any problems in the game might be idealizing him a bit too much I think. Of course he was still at the top of the food chain.

(07-10-2014 06:53 PM)soup Wrote:  

(07-10-2014 06:08 PM)CJ Wrote:  I think anyone who is good will continue to have points when they struggle, they just have a better perspective on how to not get frustrated by those points, and push through to get back on track.

The only people I could see avoiding that altogether, would be celebrities that have solid game too. I bet Sinatra never had a problem!

Sinatra had his insecurities about losing his hair.. at least that's what Brando said. Sinatra was interesting.. I think it might of been a situation with him where things had to be his way, or he didn't do so well.

I know that when he acted in movies, he only allowed the crew to get one take of him for each scene. That was in his contract. This suggests a certain rigidness, but also very high standards and expectations from everyone around him.

I didn't matter with women of course because he was adored by so many for a variety of reasons, but I could see Frank getting flustered or annoyed/angry over something and maybe losing his cool. To say that he probably never had any problems in the game might be idealizing him a bit too much I think. Of course he was still at the top of the food chain.

Sinatra had mood swings and bouts of depression. He had also three marriages, two that were hilariously short, and the third one that stuck. Still, he probably got more pussy than the whole forum combined.

You boys ever hear of: Root Canal Game ?

(07-10-2014 07:59 PM)Goldmund Wrote:  You boys ever hear of: Root Canal Game ?

Stay on top of this blog, man! Seal game...root canal game. What the hell's next? Inspiring shit.

(07-10-2014 07:59 PM)Goldmund Wrote:  You boys ever hear of: Root Canal Game ?

That was amusing, game works everywhere, period.
Did you bang her?

That just happened today man, my tooth still hurts. I'm not too sure that I'll get the bang cos I'll be out of the country for a month and a half...girls tend to cool off when I'm away that long.

But game made my day.

The man of game never gets bored.. It's like how artists can see compositions in nature. We see poosy paintings.