Post: #251

(05-07-2014 10:40 PM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  One thing I've noticed is that there is little difference between indirectness and directness in terms of flakiness and radiosilence. I used to think girls I approached directly had a higher chance of flaking, but it's about the same: in both cases, they flake or radiosilence you almost all the time. Nowadays I've been going direct almost all the time. I hate being indirect, though maybe I should reconsider and use a mixture of both...

For me the difference was huge, so I go indirect (shopping malls, bookstores, starbucks, supermarkets, etc). On the street/clubs/bars/ it's a little different, more just speaking my mind, shit talking, etc.

I was averaging 1 or sometimes 2 dates a week, bookstores and shopping malls where the main places. Mentally, I was keeping track of which stores I banged girls from, and I would always go back to the same stores where I banged a girl from. So I wasn't wasting time going to a store that hadn't yielded me any dates or bangs. After 1 year of hitting up these stores I knew which ones where good for picking up girls, which ones to avoid, and which type of game worked the best in that store/mall.

Going direct I did get more instant dates, but getting them out again was like pulling teeth. It was more fun, but also inconsistent.

Everyone is different so do whats works for you. I've met people from all styles and they all have their own game down that's tailored to them and their strengths. There is no right way. I only share what worked for me cause i'm laid back and kinda low energy. No way can I run high energy type of game for very long, it just doesn't go well with my style.

Post: #252

Saturday night and I'm stuck at school working on a fucking presentation. Sargon is in Kyoto hunting for the pink and I can't join him....

(05-08-2014 04:56 AM)Fortitudinal Wrote:  Even with networking game I've noticed flakiness. It's really interesting.

As far as the clockblocking levels it is worrisome, and I have never quite had an honest conversation like that with the locals, but I could see how it's true. Nationalism is rampant and idiotic. Like the whole 'you'd understand japan better if ya have Japanese blood' LOL.

In nightclubs I've had guys buy me drinks to see if they can get me drunk and get rid of me that way (ha!). I've had guys straight up push me out of the way, or just try to jam themselves between the girl and me. Or clown me in some way. Childish games. They are lucky I don't understand much of what is said, cuz I'd put them in place.
So I play it ice cool, smile and that seems to piss them off, ha haha. probably doesn't help that I am terrible at remembering dudes faces.

Skotch can probably shed more light on this gray area.

I think flakiness and cockblocking are definitely linked, if that's what you're asking. Japanese dudes are very much against foreigners taking their women. I can't say I blame them for it, but it's beyond faggy to act on that sentiment. I've heard a couple of stories of girls being slut shamed out of seeing a foreign guy.

As for the whole flakiness and networking conversation, I've not noticed much difference between girls in my social circle and cold approach hoez. I think knowing a girl better will certainly allow you to make plans with less effort, but if a Japanese girl isn't feeling it, she won't feel the least bit obligated to show up. It's just the nature of the beast.




That blog is obviously some kind of satire. I don't doubt a Japanese guy has said that at some point, but I'd take any quotes from that site with a grain of salt.

Post: #253

(05-10-2014 08:29 AM)Skotch Wrote:  That blog is obviously some kind of satire. I don't doubt a Japanese guy has said that at some point, but I'd take any quotes from that site with a grain of salt.

I think that guy who walked around the beach holding his dick in his hand had some fairly good style going for him. I do have some Japanese guy friends who have trouble getting laid (like my brother-in-law), so I cheer when one of my sincere Japanese brothers comes up with some good game.

Post: #254

It's 6:50 here and I just got back from Kyoto a while ago. Damn near just boned a 21 year old...was already riding in the fucking cab with her going to a love hotel...and then...cockblocked! I'll elaborate later.

Before that, I experienced the most blatent form of Japanese cockblockery thusfar in Zaza...fuck these clowns, seriously. Not all of them are like this, but it's no joke that many Japanese hate seeing their women with foreign guys and will slutshame the shit out of them for it...

Post: #255

(05-10-2014 04:53 PM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  It's 6:50 here and I just got back from Kyoto a while ago. Damn near just boned a 21 year old...was already riding in the fucking cab with her going to a love hotel...and then...cockblocked! I'll elaborate later.

Before that, I experienced the most blatent form of Japanese cockblockery thusfar in Zaza...fuck these clowns, seriously. Not all of them are like this, but it's no joke that many Japanese hate seeing their women with foreign guys and will slutshame the shit out of them for it...

I wanna hear about this... That's crazy...





@memcpy. The impression I get is that you run Day Bang stuff with a bit of nanpa mixed in for good measure. Would you mind talking about day game in a little bit more detail? I've been thinking for a while now that Kyoto might be more suited for hunting in the day. At night, you always run into working hoez or girls you already know. Right now I'm about 70/30 night game to day game, but I think it's about time to make a transition.

Post: #256

(05-10-2014 04:53 PM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  It's 6:50 here and I just got back from Kyoto a while ago. Damn near just boned a 21 year old...was already riding in the fucking cab with her going to a love hotel...and then...cockblocked! I'll elaborate later.

Before that, I experienced the most blatent form of Japanese cockblockery thusfar in Zaza...fuck these clowns, seriously. Not all of them are like this, but it's no joke that many Japanese hate seeing their women with foreign guys and will slutshame the shit out of them for it...

Let me guess the taxi driver cockblocked you. He realized you where taking the cute j-lady in the backseat to the L-hotels area....close?

@Skotch
Nearly all my bangs where from day game, Kyoto should be way bigger than the town I was living in, so day game should be fine there. My town didn't have much of a nightlife, so I had to talk to girls during the day.

I pretty much followed Day Bang to the letter. Although some things, where hard to translate into Japanese, I made some changes. But it's complicated to explain if you haven't read it....

I looked at way to many Nanpa blogs, good stuff there. I think it was helpful for speaking more natural sounding Japanese and not sounding like a foreigner so much. Some examples below, there are like 1000s more but i'm lazy.

I recommend looking at some of the nanpa blogs from j-guys that live in Tokyo. Those guys have 1000's of hours logged in approaching, gaming, fucking and banging girls there. Everytime I went it was just nonstop approaching until something would hook.

Calling a girl (stole from blog)
フリートークの会話でも少し説明しましたが、
ナンパしている途中に、こういう会話を挟んでおくことが大切です。

男：「いつも何時ぐらいに寝るの？」
女：「うーん、１２時半ぐらいかなぁ？」
男：「そっかぁ、じゃあその前に電話するね」
女：「うん」

Sometimes I use this on more Shibuya-slut looking girls for street game (Stole this line from a blog)

me「彼氏は？」
女：「いない」
me「どれくらいいないの？」
女：「えー3年くらい」
me「え、じゃあ3年間は処女なん？w」

Street game is just pure nanpa, and it's just speaking your mind, thats why I love it. I throw away all the rules on the street and just go for it.

Post: #257

I'd say this slut shaming made by jap guys on J girls for banging foreigners is also something that is making it harder over there!

Post: #258

(05-11-2014 09:49 AM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  I'd say this slut shaming made by jap guys on J girls for banging foreigners is also something that is making it harder over there!

I don't want to say it's harder... There are just unique challenges. I'm sure a good portion of my bangs came from my exoticness. I gamed my peener off for others.

Post: #259

Damn I gotta stop reading this.,..makes me want to go to Japan and I have a major to finish.

I love challenges too, I'm sure I'd grind a bit at first but it would pick up soon, heck I come from Portugal, it's hard as fuck here, I play on hard mode.

Japan has girls I actually feel attracted to (although mostly physically, eh) the motivation would sky rocket and I'd want to turn it into easy mode.

(05-11-2014 09:51 AM)Skotch Wrote:  

(05-11-2014 09:49 AM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  I'd say this slut shaming made by jap guys on J girls for banging foreigners is also something that is making it harder over there!

I don't want to say it's harder... There are just unique challenges. I'm sure a good portion of my bangs came from my exoticness. I gamed my peener off for others.

Post: #260

Haha, me too, reading all this make me want to go back to Japan asap and work on my game with J girls, I discovered game when I was in Japan and I was only approaching Japanese girls exclusively.

I will go back next year but it feels like eternity lol.

Post: #261

I just remembered that I did get cockblocked one time by some random dude. One night I was on the way home, fairly inebriated, and I caught the last train which did not go all the way back to the far-flung suburb where I resided. So, I had to get in the long line of people at that station to grab a cab for the rest of my way back. There was a 30-something, housewife-looking woman standing in front of me in the line who was kind of attractive. It looked like she was on her way back home from a girls night out. I asked if she would like to share the cab and go somewhere to have a last drink before we both went home. It was kind of a hail mary, but to my surprise she agreed.

Just then this middle-aged guy in a business suit standing behind me jumped in and said loudly in English, "She can't go with you. She's married! Leave her alone!" The lady looked at me, then got in the cab by herself while I stood there stunned. Actually, it was good that that happened because I had shit that I needed to get done with my family the next morning and if I had gone with her I probably would have been out the rest of the night. Still, having some random dickwad stick his nose in my business was very annoying.

Post: #262

(05-12-2014 12:00 AM)Carlos100 Wrote:  I just remembered that I did get cockblocked one time by some random dude. One night I was on the way home, fairly inebriated, and I caught the last train which did not go all the way back to the far-flung suburb where I resided. So, I had to get in the long line of people at that station to grab a cab for the rest of my way back. There was a 30-something, housewife-looking woman standing in front of me in the line who was kind of attractive. It looked like she was on her way back home from a girls night out. I asked if she would like to share the cab and go somewhere to have a last drink before we both went home. It was kind of a hail mary, but to my surprise she agreed.

Just then this middle-aged guy in a business suit standing behind me jumped in and said loudly in English, "She can't go with you. She's married! Leave her alone!" The lady looked at me, then got in the cab by herself while I stood there stunned. Actually, it was good that that happened because I had shit that I needed to get done with my family the next morning and if I had gone with her I probably would have been out the rest of the night. Still, having some random dickwad stick his nose in my business was very annoying.

Yeah, Japanese dudes can be unreal sometimes. The Japanese are known for taking normal things and refining them into an art form. Unfortunately that includes things like creepy beastiality porn, metrosexuality, bullying, and jealous mate-guarding fagginess.

Post: #263

So chick I had met last weekend and had crazy chemistry with flaked out. No surprise.

I'm hitting up all other leads I had, let's see where that goes. . . Going hunting Wednesday. Something should come up, the 40 something bartender in my local is starting to look pretty good...

Also, trying out wine bar game. I'll report on progress on that.

Post: #264

I've had two Japanese girls (both sexy) here in LA. Weird commonality is that they have clammy hands, but don't really sweat anywhere else. Thoughts? Is this a common japanese trait?

Post: #265

(05-12-2014 11:46 PM)DVY Wrote:  I've had two Japanese girls (both sexy) here in LA. Weird commonality is that they have clammy hands, but don't really sweat anywhere else. Thoughts? Is this a common japanese trait?

Well I know that Japanese women are not allowed to make sushi because of their warm hands.

I have noticed is that Japanese women have the most unreal soft hands, perhaps this adds to the feeling of clamminess.

Post: #266

Japanese women are expected to have smooth, silky hands as part of their femininity. I have yet to run into one that has odor issues from the armpits or pussy. In DVY's case I would bet that they were nervous and it manifested in sweaty palms.

Post: #267

It's true in this whole year I can't recall ever meeting a Japanese girl who did not have smooth hands, and very few who didn't have smooth hands. I'm not entirely sure why.

As for women not responding to texts and flaking, I've learned sometimes it pays to contact them once again with a simple, "hi" or "...". Since your average Japanese girl between 18 and 30 is absent-minded and scatter-brained as fuck, they're not always not responding because they don't like you, but because they just forgot about you or forgot to respond.

I recently got fed up with one girl, though. We had pretty good chemistry at Starbucks, so I set up a meeting for the following Sunday at five. I text later saying I'll probably be late and she should wait for me at 17:20. No response. I assume she's going to flake, but send a quick message Sunday afternoon saying I'll be even a few minutes later than expected. No response, so I just decide to head off to another part of town to shop for cloths (Shinsaibashi is one of the few places I can find shirts...or anything else in my size that doesn't look like I borrowed something from my (non-existent) 13 year old brother. At 17:30, I assume she probbably never showed up, but I decide to call just for lulz. As expected, no answer.

The next morning at about 9:00 AM, I get a text from her, saying "昨日行けなかった。ごめんね＝”
I respond simply with "..."
Her: ”怒った？”
We set up a date for today instead. An hour before the agreed upon time, she again texts me with "今日行けない、ごめんね。”
I respond with: "（笑）idiot..."
Her: "idiot調べたよ 笑ばか　まぬけ…笑　今日の授業の宿題しないといけないの忘れたんよ…”
Me: "Bye..."

Sometimes it can seem like nature's practical joke to make these airheads so fucking hot...

Post: #268

Sargon, 4 hours before the date I would send a confirmation text, "See you at 2pm."
Sometimes a girl would respond "OK!" or she wouldn't respond at all.

Even though she doesn't respond it doesn't mean she won't come out. It's just like this with Japanese girls. I don't text anything after "See you at 2pm" confirmation texts, even if i'll be late, it's just radio silence from me.

On the day of the date, I always make a plan to study Japanese at Starbucks. Then if she doesn't show up it doesn't mean anything. I just continue studying Japanese, then i'll get bored and go hit on more girls.

When 2pm rolls around, and she hasn't shown up. I don't text anything. If you text something then that just gives her satisfaction knowing you came out, and then she gets satisfaction knowing she stood you up, making you look like a chode. So don't give her that, i've been there it sucks.

One time, I didn't text a girl and she texted "i'm here!" 2 hours later than what we had arranged (I sent a confimation text the day of the date, followed by radio silence from me). So yea, I would just make an alternate plan in case she doesn't come through.

Schedule your dates in places where you can at least mack on hotter girls or study while you wait.

Post: #269

@Sargon.
I really wanna hear what happened with that taxi driver....



Japanese people are very manipulative. Never give them the benefit of the doubt or assume they're just scatterbrained. Always run on the assumption that you're being gamed in every situation.

Post: #270

(05-14-2014 03:06 PM)Skotch Wrote:  @Sargon.
I really wanna hear what happened with that taxi driver....



Japanese people are very manipulative. Never give them the benefit of the doubt or assume they're just scatterbrained. Always run on the assumption that you're being gamed in every situation.

Very true. The manipulation Japanese women will attempt to put you through when they have decided they want to marry you has to be experienced to be believed. They are masters at it.

Post: #271

(05-14-2014 01:45 PM)memcpy Wrote:  Sargon, 4 hours before the date I would send a confirmation text, "See you at 2pm."
Sometimes a girl would respond "OK!" or she wouldn't respond at all.

Even though she doesn't respond it doesn't mean she won't come out. It's just like this with Japanese girls. I don't text anything after "See you at 2pm" confirmation texts, even if i'll be late, it's just radio silence from me.

On the day of the date, I always make a plan to study Japanese at Starbucks. Then if she doesn't show up it doesn't mean anything. I just continue studying Japanese, then i'll get bored and go hit on more girls.

That's actually pretty much what I did.

What I more often do is simply schedule the meeting somewhere close to my place. That has the advantage of making it easier to get her back there, and I don't have to worry about flaking since it's only 5-10 minutes away on foot, plus my . But yes, I generally make a policy of bringing my laptop or something to do along the way, even though that's not quite as necessary, considering where I live now.

Post: #272

Damn, I thought it was because I was a kankokujin that I was getting blown out so much, but it really seems like all gaijin have to deal with flakiness on a societal level.

Am friends with a B-list celebrity and it was only when I would party with her I'd get success: would just push for same night sex every time. Guess that's still the best tactic to avoid flakes?

Post: #273

I thought I'd share this story about when I tried a socialization experiment here about 15 years ago. In the bar area in the Tokyo suburb where I lived, there was a "pink" salon across the street from me and my friend's hangout bar. As is often the case, there was an older, gruff-looking gentlemen out front guarding the door. He was probably a low-level "connected" guy as is usual with guys working in that industry. I greeted him one night and stopped to talk. He was friendly. I asked him about his establishment and he told me that it was a whorehouse and politely told me that I couldn't enter. As you all know, it's very common for hostess bars and pink salons to bar entrance to foreigners, even if they speak good Japanese. It's no big deal for us, usually, because we have enough going on that we don't need to go to a place like that and, in general, those places are wallet vacuums. However, I was curious to see if I could smooth talk my way in there so I decided to do an experiment.

Every night afterwards when I was around that neighborhood I would stop and chat with the guy for a few minutes. On a couple of cold, wintery nights when he was obviously freezing his ass I went to the vending machine and got a hot can of coffee which I gave to him, then went on my way. I never asked or hinted that I wanted to go inside his place. After about three months, one night as I walked by and said hello, he stopped me and said, "Hey, you can go in if you like. It's ¥4000 for a blowjob and ¥8000 for a fuck." (I understand that's a very good price by the way). I thanked him and politely declined and went on my way very pleased with myself.

I think variations of this technique can help you get inside access into establishments or business relationships around you in Japan. I don't think, however, it directly helps with women since desire cannot be negotiated.

Post: #274

(05-16-2014 12:08 AM)Carlos100 Wrote:  I think variations of this technique can help you get inside access into establishments or business relationships around you in Japan. I don't think, however, it directly helps with women since desire cannot be negotiated.

Im trying something similar, I'm currently on siege of 5 restaurants. I'm hoping they crack soon. This technique is universal, I think. Simple reciprocity, however long it might take.

As far as for ladies, who knows, but I imagine familiarity of seeing you somewhere will definitely help. Hopefully with a hot dame. Next to you every time, you devil, you.

Post: #275

Had an interesting night out this weekend. I'll call this story "Promising Set Blown By Bad Game."

Went out on Saturday for a beer with a buddy and bumped into Sargon and another gamer I know. My buddy headed home, so the three of us went hunting.

At the first bar, the only product in the place was a girl who had gotten promiscuous with me in a public bathroom and her loud-mouthed, ugly, attention whore friend. It was awkward and they were hateful, so we bounced.

On the street, Sargon was a beast. He has an eye for talent and wastes no time before making his approach. I'd like to do an analysis of his game in another post. I think he probably hit up two girls just in the 200 feet between the first and second bar.

The place was literally overflowing with dudes, so we took our drinks and stood just outside the front door. It was at this point that the differences between Sargon's game and mine became a bit of an issue. As girls walked by, he'd use strong body language to stop them and engage them in conversation. I posted up by the door sipping on my drink and gesturing for girls to come over. I lost two or three pairs, but the next single girl bit. She got close to the door and started to turn toward me when the other guy we were with glommed on and Sargon followed. She ran inside to find her friends and I gave the guys a little speech about trying to ram their dicks into my 1-sets.

Sargon went back to beasting the street in front of the bar, and I talked to a group of three girls for a bit before bailing. As I turned around, I noticed a girl standing in my sniper perch. I greeted her from afar with a wave and gestured for her to come toward me. The other dude glommed on again, poking her and making some comment about her scarf. I said, "woah woah woah woah!" and sent the girl on her way. I hate to blow up a set, but that was a monster fucking party foul.

After a bit more fishing, an 8 (pretty face, long hair, super petite, 20 years old) with her 5ish6ish friend (OK face, thick thighs and nice boobs, also 20) walked by. They stopped about 10 feet from us and began conferencing. I waved to get their attention. They giggled and waved back, so I told them the bar was lame and asked if they had a back up plan. I'm very interested in this one and start to close the gap, but Sargon and the other dude went into attack mode again. I lost my shit. "Are you fucking kidding me?! We just fucking talked about this. Whoever opens the set gets first dibs. The girls are interested, just chill back. That is some serious fag shit. I'm done. Fuck you guys." Sargon had intercepted them so quickly that he didn't even hear me getting angry. The other dude buzzed off.

Sargon worked his game and the girls were really interested, but after a few minutes he started losing steam. I was angry and had no qualms vulturing, so I peeled off the hotter one. We chatted for a bit, I teased her and convinced her to go to a third, different bar. We checked with Sargon and the friend, and we were off as a foursome. The other dude started texting me, but I figured fuck that guy anyway (he would go on to notch a decent looking chick by himself). It was here that I noticed more style differences. Sargon's kino was really aggressive. Before we even rolled out, he had his arm around his girl.

The bar we went to is one I love for venue hopping. They have booths that are ever so slightly sheltered from the rest of the bar and a Jenga set to help break the ice and get some kino working. I haven't been conscious of my kino progressions for a long time, but when the guy you're with has his girl on his lap after just a handful of minutes, you get a little self-conscious. I tracked and compared our progress throughout the night.

It was at this bar that I made a fatal mistake. This was the girls' first venue of the night, but they weren't really touching their drinks. I should have made Jenga a drinking game from the start, but I was too stupid. I tend not to worry about it too much in a one-on-one situation, but for a group of four it would have been a good idea to give the girls some liquid social skills.

Sargon convinced his girl to go for a walk. I moved with my girl to the inside part of the booth and got to kissing. I figured grab another round, get out, game over. I settled in with my arm around girl when Sargon and other chick came back. We had initiated the split up too soon and when the girls were too sober. I fucked up again here. Rather than get the girls some drinks to make sure they were having the excellent party time they wanted, I suggested we hit a nearby park.

I held hands with my girl along the way completely ignoring my buddy and his charge. At the park we split up; me and my ho on my lap on a little hill, and the other two doing their own thing in the bushes or some shit. I put girl's hand on my dick. I was at about half mast, so she got really excited. We start talking about sex. I pick her up by the hips, lift her over my head (Japanese girls go fucking crazy when you do this because they all have daddy issues), and turn her so she's straddling me face to face. We're flirting and kissing when something over girl's shoulder catches her eye. She yells, "what are you doing?" I turn around and see Sargon's girl walking across the park by herself. "I'm running away," she answers. Sure enough Sargon is walking 15-20 feet behind her.

Eventually Sargon corralled his woman and got her on his lap on the other side of the little hill. She wasn't having it. She said something like, "I'm too sober." Mine said she was too. It was here I finally realized that we hadn't kept the girls properly lubricated... I herded everyone toward Lawson, but by then it was too late. The girls were waffling on even buying a drink, and when they got to the register they abandoned their purchases. The girls said they were gonna go to a club by themselves. I pulled my girl's number (which I should have done much sooner) and sent her on her way with a slap on the ass.

We went in the opposite direction, debriefing as we walked. As we moaned about our bad luck we passed the very club the girls said they were going to. They had never intended to go.

I'd offer some analysis, but this post is already way long. I think you guys can see what went right and what went wrong.