WIA, That half finished book of yours I can tell is better than every game book I've ever read. The last one being The Modern Alpha Male by Patrick King.

Pat goes on a spiel that mostly puts a veneer of thin alpha paint on minds corroded by years of cluelessness and beta.

Good quality is hard to find, and I think this applies to all fields of endeavor. Its sad how lame we are as people- black, latino, white, arab etc, its all the same. Too many people just don't have the quality, the depth in them to rise and aspire. Talking to almost anyone in a social context, the quality of thinking is just pathetic. I had this one chick who believed in reincarnation and 'nature', so I used it against her to make her think the 'universe' was bringing us together. She fell pathetically for that shit. Another shit so ridiculous I use is telling chicks I'm picking up for the first time I dreamt of them last night and a cock and bull story to back it up. They fall for that bullshit ALL THE FRIGGIN TIME. Disgusting.

And thats not going into people who fall for ridiculous scams about doubling, tripling their money. Basic critical thinking seems so rare.

...the simple believes every word. A verse indelibly etched in my mind to think deep.

Sorry brothers, Just ranting against low quality. Since encountering well thought out discourses here, many things just sets me off with their lack of depth.

I would absolutely buy that book of yours. And I think its something you can extend beyond game into a mindset/approach to life thing, you know, like a series.

Paz Hermano. Muchos Gracias.

@El Padrone.

I'll send you the third draft, lol.

It's hard for me to know what I know.
But scenarios presented are easy for me to break down.

What I want my contribution to the game to be is, not here are the steps to a night game cold approach one night stand with a very attractive yet bitchy girl, but the how to look at the situation, here are the moving parts.

Ultimately the game starts and ends with you. What you think, how you feel, and what that pushes you to do and say, and right back to how you think and feel.

You feel weird about the approach,, make the approach, and it ends up weird - that can turn into a downward spiral.

There are a ton of tricks to not feel weird in the first place. That's what mainstream game books touch on.

But I think for a lot of vets, it's not that initial feeling, it is what goes through your head after you finish. Good, bad, or indifferent - it's how you proceed next.

Action wise I can flow chart that.

But the internals is where the juice is.
Because that mental and emotional thought process shows on your face, in your tone, nonverbally. And she reacts to those cues even more than what you did or said (within reason)

So the real thing you end up learning by going out is not reacting at a very core level.

What drugs and alcohol ( and music, night, noise,, crowds,) allows a player to do is to not react.

You don't want to be rattled or put off your game, you want her silence and nonchalant attitude to enliven you.

I can of course write this down for you to read. I could tell you over a Skype call. I could show you in person but would that be enough?

Game has this weird duality.
She needs to get these intense feelings
You have to be unshakeable.
Some of the time.
Other times you have to show something

And even in other situations, you need to have feelings and explore stuff that she is going to "punish" you for. And you have to be rock solid in the fact that she can leave, take the kids, take a lot of money (ideally just child support) and you can bounce back stronger.

WIA

(12-06-2016 07:23 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  @Red


One of the more subtle issues about a canned opener or a structured approach is that the content can fall flat.

Like if you come at a chick and ask her about something environmental, and she has poor observational skills, or poor social skills (typical) - depending on the content alone to spark the flame can leave you just stuck.

There is gold in the failure. If you realize it's not "working" but stay the course emotionally/nonverbally - you feeling like it's cool - can often make her feel like it's cool too.

The term is mirroring, and it has enough psychological evidence.

Most guys, players too, just don't stay in conversation long enough with enough insight or observation to make that happen.

This 35 second approach is not going anywhere, so he bails. Runs out of material after four minutes, excuses himself.

Maybe a guy's verbals aren't there yet.

So he needs to do things like social proof and preselection. He can use her eyes and vanity to his advantage. I've never seen a chick not react to social proof. Social standing is practically written into their DNA.

All the tools, tactics, techniques, and technology are out there. Whether guys choose to use them is another issue.

WIA

This.

WIA, your ability to articulate simple things under the umbrella of a broad concept like game is really crazy. Iceberg Slim meets Nas meets Tonys Starks type illustration and ideas.

I see this rush for results and work it out in my head as a sports metaphor:

When a kid falls in love with a sport like basketball (game), they fall in love with lebron dunking from the free-throw line (The ONS), reggie miller and ray allen shooting from 30 feet out (a successful AMOG) and Anthony Davis blocking 10 shots in a game (Fending off AFC's at last call). However when they get to the gym and make their first team, the coach sends them under the basket to do the Mikan drill (ex:100, 200 or 300 Approach Challenge):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho9GJkWyuYQ


He doesn't get it. Not only does he not get it, he doesn't see the relevance in this basic drill in his one day being able to score 50 points in a game. He wants to take shots from 30 feet, he wants to jump from the free throw line even though he can barely run 2 suicides in an air conditioned gym. If Allen Iverson doesn't need practice why does he? His first game, the coach puts him in, he hasn't been coming to practice, he hasn't been hydrating, and he barely works on his fundamentals. However his mom bought him the new Lebron Soldiers at Footlocker and he's been watching highlights on NBA TV. That's all you need right?

His first two possessions up and down the court are okay. He can just barely keep up with the other teams guard (i.e the HB7, 8 or 9 at the lounge) but his teammates (Routines, confidence from his clothes, the two shots of Ciroc) are playing help defence when his man gets by him time after time. Pretty soon the other guard on the court is too much for his team to handle, and because of his lack of stamina, fundamentals and on court IQ, it's like a game of 4 on 5. When the other team goes on a 10-0 run and his coach pulls him out the game while yelling at him for not knowing the plays and playing defence, he throws a tantrum on the sideline. He says to himself "I don't get it, me and Bron have the same shoes".

Your average dude doesn't get it until he gets it. You work with what the defence (the girl) gives you. You don't necessarily react and stop trying to impose your will but you roll with the punches. After a while you realize treating a girl the way you would anyone with some humour and speaking on something you have a common interest in, beats any routine you could find out there on the web. When i first read Day Bang, my head almost exploded because I immediately said "this is it". This is the thread that ties it all together. I'm just having a conversation with someone who's primary responses are emotive and mine logical. If I adjust my expectations and see the differences in the sexes that lead to the flakiness and lack of accountability, all of sudden that conversation with that woman becomes just like a conversation with my pops.

"Is that laptop any good? I've had a mac for years but I've been looking for something new."

snip

(12-06-2016 04:23 PM)crudeloyalist Wrote:  Celebrity chicks. The livest ones. Perhaps the player's end goal.

What would it take to swoop on one of those? Rock star level status? Right place, right time?

Could a regular guy spit some game to Meghan Markle?

End goal depends on the player. The only "celeb" that does it for me is Nicki Minaj. Actresses and Musicians or Super Models don't really catch my fancy.

I want this chick

She comes in at 4:28





(I think she appears earlier in the video)
(*also, looking back on this video, these girls look "exotic", but they don't look cartoonish like they do now)

This broad is a nobody. (I think the only chick to get some kinda fame out of this video was Gloria Velez)

This chick?

She's Trini? Half black/Half white? East African? Indian? Lebanese? Some kinda Latina? White girl with great make up and a tan? (LOL)

So how do I put myself in a position to even find a chick like this?

I could go to her motherland, or I could figure out what type of chick this is and go where those chicks are here. I can then understand whatever her scene is, and then see if there is a way to get to the top of it.

I'm a regular guy. She might be a "video vixen"/bottle girl/club rat - used to these rich ballers/rappers/ball players.

Even if I had that, I still wouldn't be Gates or LeBron or Kanye. I wouldn't try to get to that kind of Mt. Everest just for a chick. Not some chick who didn't have school or a job, and could waste it on a weekend for a 6 seconds of fame.

And especially if I had that, I sure as hell wouldn't lead with it. Cause I don't want to hold out myself out as some sort of gold digger's dream - and if she just acts right, she'll get the shoes and the mansion.

I know this chick fucks regular dudes when she's not at the club.
Some guy she knows from back in the day.
Or some dude she randomly runs into at a coffee shop.
Or some guy who's out in the smoker's area making people crack up.

That's where I want my game to be.

I'm not looking to knock up Oprah, or bag me a chick at Magic City while I'm a customer.

WIA

(12-06-2016 07:26 PM)Mayweather Wrote:  When a kid falls in love with a sport like basketball (game), they fall in love with lebron dunking from the free-throw line (The ONS), reggie miller and ray allen shooting from 30 feet out (a successful AMOG) and Anthony Davis blocking 10 shots in a game (Fending off AFC's at last call). However when they get to the gym and make their first team, the coach sends them under the basket to do the Mikan drill (ex:100, 200 or 300 Approach Challenge):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho9GJkWyuYQ


He doesn't get it. Not only does he not get it, he doesn't see the relevance in this basic drill in his one day being able to score 50 points in a game. He wants to take shots from 30 feet, he wants to jump from the free throw line even though he can barely run 2 suicides in an air conditioned gym. If Allen Iverson doesn't need practice why does he? His first game, the coach puts him in, he hasn't been coming to practice, he hasn't been hydrating, and he barely works on his fundamentals. However his mom bought him the new Lebron Soldiers at Footlocker and he's been watching highlights on NBA TV. That's all you need right?

His first two possessions up and down the court are okay. He can just barely keep up with the other teams guard (i.e the HB7, 8 or 9 at the lounge) but his teammates (Routines, confidence from his clothes, the two shots of Ciroc) are playing help defence when his man gets by him time after time. Pretty soon the other guard on the court is too much for his team to handle, and because of his lack of stamina, fundamentals and on court IQ, it's like a game of 4 on 5. When the other team goes on a 10-0 run and his coach pulls him out the game while yelling at him for not knowing the plays and playing defence, he throws a tantrum on the sideline. He says to himself "I don't get it, me and Bron have the same shoes".

Your average dude doesn't get it until he gets it. You work with what the defence (the girl) gives you. You don't necessarily react and stop trying to impose your will but you roll with the punches. After a while you realize treating a girl the way you would anyone with some humour and speaking on something you have a common interest in, beats any routine you could find out there on the web. When i first read Day Bang, my head almost exploded because I immediately said "this is it". This is the thread that ties it all together. I'm just having a conversation with someone who's primary responses are emotive and mine logical. If I adjust my expectations and see the differences in the sexes that lead to the flakiness and lack of accountability, all of sudden that conversation with that woman becomes just like a conversation with my pops.

"Is that laptop any good? I've had a mac for years but I've been looking for something new."

I love the basketball analogy. I've been thinking about it a lot.

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-58910...pid1448360

Anybody who plays pickup basketball has seen kids when they walk on the court. Half court, hook shot, crossover. All bricks. None of them doing free throws. Same with the game..

(12-06-2016 08:01 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  And especially if I had that, I sure as hell wouldn't lead with it. Cause I don't want to hold out myself out as some sort of gold digger's dream - and if she just acts right, she'll get the shoes and the mansion.

I know this chick fucks regular dudes when she's not at the club.
Some guy she knows from back in the day.
Or some dude she randomly runs into at a coffee shop.
Or some guy who's out in the smoker's area making people crack up.

That's where I want my game to be.

I'm not looking to knock up Oprah, or bag me a chick at Magic City while I'm a customer.

WIA

This!

Every girl has a persona. Someone she wants to be when she's out with her girls. Someone that she can tell herself means something.

What brings her back to Earth is when she's lazy as fuck. In yoga pants and a tank top trying to get that Pumpkin Spice Latte or fiending for a cigarette with Pumpkin Spice Latte in hand outside the Starbucks because she left her pack at home. Odds are she hasn't even put on her make up. She's in and out.

And the other guys won't even give her a second look as they're either too damned tired themselves or have to be somewhere in a minute.

Side tangent: I think lifestyle goals should be not so that you don't have to work, but that you're in no rush to get some work done ever. It's always quality and always when you're motivated.

Anyways. I have time. All you'll need is 10 minutes for a number or an hour or two for an instadate(to get her to invest for a bang on date 2). She'll also be more interested and rationalizing it as liking her for "her" rather than for the persona.

My game isn't that good where that'll happen 9 times out of 10, but I have time and a bit of patience. It's one of the better things about being broke and figuring out where to go from here. I can take a detour and get a girl for less than a meal at a mom and pops diner per date.

Good game in this thread definitely.

That's why dudes need to be doing day game and I'm not going to lie. 85% of my game this year has been night game. I've been pretty successful at it but I'm still wanting the 9s and 10s. I've fucked enough cute girls in my life. I want the dimes. The girls that you see in the club with their shield on. I know for a fact if I had seen them in the day it would be a totally different story.

I'm going to put in more of an effort to hit happy hours and even hit the gym up during the day more. Just to be able to holla at chicks during the day. That's one aspect of my game that's been non existent for years.

A couple years back I used to hit the mall every Saturday for day game and those were some good times. I got several bad shorties no problems at all.

Guys I have a question for you vets, what is the best game you've ever run? like your best set? and why?

(12-07-2016 05:26 AM)burncushlikewood Wrote:  Guys I have a question for you vets, what is the best game you've ever run? like your best set? and why?

Im sure there are more instances but this specific one comes to mind. Exactly how I met my second LTR.

Used a infiltration strategy.

I was at a lounge where there was a party going on but pretty low energy. My girl was SITTING at a table of about 6 girls and I was immediately smitten (which is rare). I was like how in the hell am gonna reach her.

Long story short one of her friends and girl sitting at the table leaves the group decides to go out for a smoke alone. So I also decide to run after her quickly, also light up and smoke, and open here right then and there. I make good conversation and ask about details... her friends, what shes doing there, etc etc etc. I hook her pretty well and when we get back inside her group of friends and my girl goes for another round of drinks and we (me and her friend) sit down and start talking.... I start running heavy jokes and I have her laughing her ass off.

My girl takes notice of this and comes over asking what is going on over here and what is so funny. I immediately throw her a neg saying she is so nosy and she laughs about it and I get introduced and bring her into the convo.

From there I had to buy her and her friend a couple of drinks but slowly ease away from her friend, which i managed to pull off and I got my girl. I ended up making out with her that night and closing her 1 week later and that was that.

This isn't super in depth and there was more details to this but that was the overall strategy I used to get my 8+ gf.

It was def a trick you needed advanced game for and one of the proudest moments in my game history.

Thanks for sharing KD. It helps to associate theoretical game with actual real world experiences.

I remember when I was first introduced PUA/game communities I really enjoyed the stories from guys who took the time to articulate and relate to the methods we all talked about. We should do more of that here.

Things have changed in terms of field reports.

I'm trying to dig deep for a story of me consciously running game, because a lot of stuff for me now is on autopilot.

Last chick I got at was just noticing her eyes blinked more than normal. From there it was just giving her mental justification.

Her - You don't think it is bad if....

Archie - *ears perk up* - of course not. Here are the reasons why (aka what she wants to hear) and here is why not (you don't want to be one of those people)

From there she let her sexual attraction for me grow, because I gave her a new way to see situations.

Was it the "right way"? Lol

WIA

Anyone seen this documentary on American Black men in Brazil? Any truth to what they're talking to or has the hype died down about Brizil?

There is a post about it on one of the other boards.

It's a little lazy in the thought process, but I can't blame a guy that experiences different cultures.

What Jariel said about Colombian women, being just Potemkin villages, applies here to. She looks and acts perfect, but it's an act.

She's everything you want her to be, until she's not.

For me to truly take advantage of Latin America, I'd have to live there. I don't see the sense of importing one here.


The YouTube about Patrice O'Neal and Brazil actually highlights what I'm saying, but that's not the message he intended to send.

His take on Brazil was that the women there inspire you in such a way that you want to do things for her. Whereas women in America try to create situations that manipulate you into doing something because they cannot risk their own egos if you say no.

I see both as manipulation.

WIA

(12-07-2016 03:01 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  Anyone seen this documentary on American Black men in Brazil? Any truth to what they're talking to or has the hype died down about Brizil?

Dimebait I am very familiar with that video and the many others being put out about Brazil being a black mans paradise. The self proclaimed authority on this topic is Charles Tyler.

These videos tend to follow the same format. They complain how poorly American women especially black American women treat them. Then they make the comparison of how different their treatment is in Brazil and how wonderful the women are. The problem I have with these brothers is most of them seem to have zero game. Many would have less to complain about in regards to American women if they studied game, hit the gym and made better wardrobe choices. So keep in mind that these are the guys giving advice about Brazil in the videos.

Full disclosure: I have never been to Brazil.

However I do know quite a few people that have gone there repeatedly.

I am also part of of a couple of Facebook groups of black guys that visit and live there. These groups are trying to get every black man from the US to move to Brazil. They refer to the US as "USA KKK" and make claims that the US is the most racist country on the face of the earth. And that the black mans best option is to move to Brazil! Riiiiight......LOL

Here is my conclusion.

Most guys that go to Brazil and talk about pulling these unbelievable Brazilian women. Are actually talking about messing with pros, semi pros or poor uneducated type chics. Granted in the US these women would be considered on the upper scale as far as looks, body, personality and femininity.

I dont know about you, but while I still have other options, P4P does not interest me. Maybe when I hit 80 I will have no other choice, but until then I will continue to Game on!!!

So if you aim is P4P or messing with poor uneducated chics you will most certainly have a blast.

If you are looking for higher caliber girls. You will need to learn Portuguese to at least a conversational level. Familiarize yourself with Brazilian culture. Study up on how to game Brazilian women. Make friends with expats who live there. Plan a trip down there for at least a month. It may sound like a lot of work but in the end this will be way more rewarding.

This may seem a bit controversial regarding the Brasilian video but my take is one is P4Ping in some way once they go to a developing country. Regardless of whether you are handing over cash or not, you are dangling your Western citzenship (Green Card/Passport) every time you talk to her. Even if you don't pay upfront, the lizard is banking on the fantasy that you will whisk her away with your green card or Euro passport to greener pastures. In this sense, pretty much anything you say will slide since the field is tilted in your favour.

It seems that in these countries, the lizards are a lot more pragmatic. They have to be, poverty doesn't allow for too much fanciful and foolish idle thinking. For instance, if you have a convo with lizards in the West, their number one gripe with men is cheating. It's almost like they have this track stuck in their head and that's the only song they are willing to play. The common belief on this is not a realistic one since most decent men 'cheat'. I once told a reptile who kept harping on about cheating that lizards are as guilty as men since they commit emotional infidelity and she became as silent as a dormant mouse.

With a lizard being pragmatic, the lure will be slightly different. I believe on average, sweet lyrics will fall indifferently on seasoned ears in these places. If you grew up in economically challenged areas, all the guys can do is spit lyrics to try and bed lizards as that is the only form of control they have in their lives. As a result, the lizards in these communities will be a lot more hardened to the cause. Of course, as a foreigner or even someone new to the area, one will bring a different look/presence/naivety which she will gravitate towards and overlook lyrics and plays one makes that she would normally be skeptical of amongst males in her demographic.

I guess the important thing here is to realise where one stands in terms of perceived social value and be aware when one's perceptions seem to have changed.

Game allows one to keep shifting and tweaking the right emotional chords so that the value remains high, almost like changing the interface of the smartphone without warning so that users think they get a brand new one when the kernel hasn't changed at all.. lol.

Personally, I am very skeptical of lizards who live in developing countries who seem eager to pursue a romantic interest. I have heard of too many stories of them coming to North America and misbehaving not long after seeing the slackness that their lizard peers get up to.

I knew of a guy that was taking advantage of racial arbitrage and actually thought that it was himself as an individual that was attractive to the lizards he was poking. I was surprised he held such personal views after extended tenure in the game. He was surprised at some point when he was pumped and dumped by a lizard he thought was pretty cool.

Summary: Be pragmatic and allocate some emotional wiggle space for the possibility that you are a stepping stone. If the lizard violates, do some maths and if it's not worth sticking around, ejaculate yourself from the situation.

(12-07-2016 05:08 PM)Ogunn Wrote:  If you are looking for higher caliber girls. You will need to learn Portuguese to at least a conversational level. Familiarize yourself with Brazilian culture. Study up on how to game Brazilian women. Make friends with expats who live there. Plan a trip down there for at least a month. It may sound like a lot of work but in the end this will be way more rewarding.

My Asian-American brother-from-another-mother Brosemite pretty much said the above in my interview with him. Check out the last link in my signature if you want to listen or read the show notes, where he talks about that and more.

He lived and Gamed there for a about year, as I recall.

Since the debate about Western versus foreign women is a (which technically belongs in the Travel forum anyway), I'll leave it at that.

(12-06-2016 06:20 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  @El Padrone.

I'll send you the third draft, lol.

It's hard for me to know what I know.
But scenarios presented are easy for me to break down.

What I want my contribution to the game to be is, not here are the steps to a night game cold approach one night stand with a very attractive yet bitchy girl, but the how to look at the situation, here are the moving parts.

Ultimately the game starts and ends with you. What you think, how you feel, and what that pushes you to do and say, and right back to how you think and feel.

You feel weird about the approach,, make the approach, and it ends up weird - that can turn into a downward spiral.

There are a ton of tricks to not feel weird in the first place. That's what mainstream game books touch on.

But I think for a lot of vets, it's not that initial feeling, it is what goes through your head after you finish. Good, bad, or indifferent - it's how you proceed next.

Action wise I can flow chart that.

But the internals is where the juice is.
Because that mental and emotional thought process shows on your face, in your tone, nonverbally. And she reacts to those cues even more than what you did or said (within reason)

So the real thing you end up learning by going out is not reacting at a very core level.

What drugs and alcohol ( and music, night, noise,, crowds,) allows a player to do is to not react.

You don't want to be rattled or put off your game, you want her silence and nonchalant attitude to enliven you.

I can of course write this down for you to read. I could tell you over a Skype call. I could show you in person but would that be enough?

Game has this weird duality.
She needs to get these intense feelings
You have to be unshakeable.
Some of the time.
Other times you have to show something

And even in other situations, you need to have feelings and explore stuff that she is going to "punish" you for. And you have to be rock solid in the fact that she can leave, take the kids, take a lot of money (ideally just child support) and you can bounce back stronger.

WIA

This is probably the best explanation of the concept of "outcome independence' I have ever read.

Recent thoughts had been pointing out to me that what I thought was my outcome independence wasn't. It was a self defense mechanism keeping me from improving. Making me overgame and compensate in a way that always had me with a huge sea of negativity brewing under the surface waiting for a shore to strike.

It's damn difficult for me to drop the negative shit and force myself in the right mindset like you describe. What happened over the past month or so made me realize how I needed to change some things.

It lead to a subtle change last night where I was just over the top warm, friendly, and playful to some new girls and it was received extremely well. The obstacles that prevented this in the past were all internal to my head.

The big change happened, however, by coming across a dude I haven't hung out with or talked to in any capacity in a while. I used to spend a decent amount of time with him. After the year or so, I've been trying to grind on mindset changing myself, then I ran into him again.

Boom. It hit me. He has no control over his emotions and the seething anger and resentment that he has within him. We identified with that as part of our friendship. That observation lead me to realize that I had started to fix it and he instead seems to overcompensate and ignore the issue. I can't stand being around him that much anymore, and my demeanor changes around him. I wish him the best but I can't give him advice anymore or listen much to him because it drags me down.

Quote:And even in other situations, you need to have feelings and explore stuff that she is going to "punish" you for. And you have to be rock solid in the fact that she can leave, take the kids, take a lot of money (ideally just child support) and you can bounce back stronger.

Bingo. A lot of what was keeping some good things from happening to me is not being able to slip up, in my eyes, at all. I had to always be a certain way, without fail, or I was afraid of a total drop of frame or ruining something from a single text or statement.

A lot of that is rooted in the awkward things I said as a young child and how I was punished for it, but that doesn't matter now. No girl is worth being around if you have to be on point the entire time with no slips. You'll just run around on eggshells and worry if the next thing you say is going to push her out. You really have to be able to just let things fly, accept the consequences and the stream of potentialities that your mind likes to imagine. But people will surprise you, in good ways, and I like the surprise. When someone just reinforces my negative thoughts, that means I'm just dating a piece of walking Confirmation Bias. And I don't want that.

(12-08-2016 04:08 AM)Moma Wrote:  Personally, I am very skeptical of lizards who live in developing countries who seem eager to pursue a romantic interest. I have heard of too many stories of them coming to North America and misbehaving not long after seeing the slackness that their lizard peers get up to.

It's amazing how fast American media can indoctrinate people who come here. My sister hired an Au Pair from South Africa for two years of service. After the first year, the hard-working servient demeanor was gone. She got herself an iPhone, flowing weave and was trolling tender in due time, lol. It became a constant struggle to get her to do her job. She's since been replaced.

I wish there was Au Pair/Exchange Student like service for women who want to come to America to date, lol. Not like Russian brides though, these would only have a six-month contract then get returned.

(12-08-2016 11:10 AM)DimeBait Wrote:  

(12-08-2016 04:08 AM)Moma Wrote:  Personally, I am very skeptical of lizards who live in developing countries who seem eager to pursue a romantic interest. I have heard of too many stories of them coming to North America and misbehaving not long after seeing the slackness that their lizard peers get up to.

It's amazing how fast American media can indoctrinate people who come here. My sister hired an Au Pair from South Africa for two years of service. After the first year, the hard-working servient demeanor was gone. She got herself an iPhone, flowing weave and was trolling tender in due time, lol. It became a constant struggle to get her to do her job. She's since been replaced.

I wish there was Au Pair/Exchange Student like service for women who want to come to America to date, lol. Not like Russian brides though, these would only have a six-month contract then get returned.

If you live in a Top Tier City there is something like this that exists....Its called Couchsurfing.com!!!

(12-08-2016 11:29 AM)Ogunn Wrote:  

(12-08-2016 11:10 AM)DimeBait Wrote:  

(12-08-2016 04:08 AM)Moma Wrote:  Personally, I am very skeptical of lizards who live in developing countries who seem eager to pursue a romantic interest. I have heard of too many stories of them coming to North America and misbehaving not long after seeing the slackness that their lizard peers get up to.

It's amazing how fast American media can indoctrinate people who come here. My sister hired an Au Pair from South Africa for two years of service. After the first year, the hard-working servient demeanor was gone. She got herself an iPhone, flowing weave and was trolling tender in due time, lol. It became a constant struggle to get her to do her job. She's since been replaced.

I wish there was Au Pair/Exchange Student like service for women who want to come to America to date, lol. Not like Russian brides though, these would only have a six-month contract then get returned.

If you live in a Top Tier City there is something like this that exists....Its called Couchsurfing.com!!!

O'rly?
I'm familiar with it in the context of AirBnB, but do folks specifically express they're opening their home up in exchange for "companionship?"

There is a thread on travel about how a guy selects guests for game purposes, but I'm too black to take them penitentiary chances.

WIA

(12-08-2016 11:36 AM)DimeBait Wrote:  

(12-08-2016 11:29 AM)Ogunn Wrote:  

(12-08-2016 11:10 AM)DimeBait Wrote:  

(12-08-2016 04:08 AM)Moma Wrote:  Personally, I am very skeptical of lizards who live in developing countries who seem eager to pursue a romantic interest. I have heard of too many stories of them coming to North America and misbehaving not long after seeing the slackness that their lizard peers get up to.

It's amazing how fast American media can indoctrinate people who come here. My sister hired an Au Pair from South Africa for two years of service. After the first year, the hard-working servient demeanor was gone. She got herself an iPhone, flowing weave and was trolling tender in due time, lol. It became a constant struggle to get her to do her job. She's since been replaced.

I wish there was Au Pair/Exchange Student like service for women who want to come to America to date, lol. Not like Russian brides though, these would only have a six-month contract then get returned.

If you live in a Top Tier City there is something like this that exists....Its called Couchsurfing.com!!!

O'rly?
I'm familiar with it in the context of AirBnB, but do folks specifically express they're opening their home up in exchange for "companionship?"

Yeah bro. There are threads about it on the Forums. Its not as direct as come stay with me and we will have sex. But....if she is traveling alone. She hits you up first. And you are an interesting, non thirsty guy that knows how to run game things can and will pop off. If you want more info check the forum or PM me. This thread is not really the place to discuss this.

What's more important

Offensive game - how to pull chicks

Defensive game - ? How to live with them and keep your money and sanity. *snickers*

WIA

(12-08-2016 05:36 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  What's more important

Offensive game - how to pull chicks

Defensive game - ? How to live with them and keep your money and sanity. *snickers*

WIA

You spoke about this on one of the podcasts but you framed it differently. I call offensive game short game and I call defensive game, long game. I guess look at it as the run and gun Phoenix suns franchise (Nash & Da Stoudamire) vs a more logger headed defensive squad like, maybe Detroit Pistons when the two Wallaces were there with Tayshaun and Chauncey?