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Apollo21 路 2016-04-16 08:08:00 路 #1776
Game itself is a very dynamic system...
Like a weather system, it is highly dependent
on a variety of factors..some of it you can control
and other factors you can only influence.

Most guys naturally focus on the factors
such as dress, physique, personality etc because
that is what they can immediately control.

However I think the more subtle factors, usually the ones
you can't control directly, account for nearly 60% of your success
or failure...

Factors like her level of attractiveness, her individual personality,
how many of the right women you meet on a daily basis, and the quality, quantity
and availability of women in your area can impact your game in ways that
almost have nothing to do with your skills or years of experience.

So the question becomes, how can you create the ideal environment where
your game can thrive. And what can you do to easily meet the right women
who are already disposed to like you based on your personality, interests
or something that you are doing for a community. i.e How are you positioning
yourself to meet more women who are actually in your target niche?

Obviously moving to a bigger city with prettier girls is a start. After that, I believe
the key is a lot of experimentation and creativity so you can explore your options
and influence more of the factors responsible for your success.
redbeard 路 2016-04-16 10:54:00 路 #1777
(04-15-2016 07:03 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  I was perusing YaReally's archive yesterday.

I've never heard of YaReally. This guy knows what he's talking about, I like his writing style, very Pook-like.

http://yareallyarchive.com/
cubanlinx 路 2016-04-17 22:16:00 路 #1778
YaReally used to be a very active commenter on Heartiste, before the site changed direction, or rather became wack.
Anabasis to Desta 路 2016-04-17 22:21:00 路 #1779
Any African guys on here besides me and Moma?

This video will touch your heart. 'Dem boys playing football and all ...



WarMachine 路 2016-04-18 07:30:00 路 #1780
This thread is brilliant. So good to see science being written and observed!

But I have a question of the advice type:

My younger brother has taken the red pill. He's 27, from London like myself and after showing him various subject matter and much discussion, he is now hungry for knowledge. Things are starting to click for him. He was bullied and outcast as school for being "ugly" (he's not) and not being with "the" in black crowd. His education suffered and was not supported as I would have liked had I been there (We are 2 of 8 brothers and sisters and did not grow up together, somewhat common), instead it crushed him somewhat. He's ambitious and intelligent.

Years and years he questioned himself, doubted himself, and now he has awoken. He is starting to see what he was becoming: a young black man who blames the system, sleepwalking unknowingly into stereotypes. He now realises that internal forces need to change and learn psychological aspects of what makes the world what is from a black perspective and most importantly perspective as a man.

I think for him its raising his consciousness and opening his eyes, unlocking mental doors previously unseen and increasing his confidence

I just want to be sure I'm being the best big brother I can with this - extremely important as I am excited for him for how his life may change.

Just wanting to reach out to anyone who has had experience of this - any advice gratefully received.
Moma 路 2016-04-18 10:00:00 路 #1781
WarMachine, get him to listen to the podcasts and let us know if he has any questions after that.
WarMachine 路 2016-04-18 10:57:00 路 #1782
Good idea. Right now his senses are heightened, I don't want to overload him with input from me, as he looks up to me.
rw95 路 2016-04-19 12:11:00 路 #1783
I wonder if Anabasis and other Africans on the forum can chime in, but what is the potential of going to Africa to find potential lays/LTRs if one is so inclined? Black women seem to get a bad rep (no doubt largely due to the dysfunction seen in the African American community in general), but what about girls from Africa or the Caribbean? Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

*Note: If this topic has been discussed earlier in this thread or elsewhere on the forum please direct me there.
DimeBait 路 2016-04-19 12:50:00 路 #1784
(04-19-2016 12:11 PM)rw95 Wrote:  I wonder if Anabasis and other Africans on the forum can chime in, but what is the potential of going to Africa to find potential lays/LTRs if one is so inclined? Black women seem to get a bad rep (no doubt largely due to the dysfunction seen in the African American community in general), but what about girls from Africa or the Caribbean? Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

*Note: If this topic has been discussed earlier in this thread or elsewhere on the forum please direct me there.

That's a good question. I've heard about Brazil, but often wondered how American Black men are received in West/South African and Caribbean cultures?
WestIndianArchie 路 2016-04-19 13:03:00 路 #1785
My take on "mail order brides"
- become an expat
- learn the language
- learn the culture
- pull a recent immigrant here first, because that is who your woman will become
- don't impregnate a dumb chick unless you want dumb kids. The mother is the primary teacher. (So under rated)
- if you can't pull and hold a woman here, No foreign woman will be easier. Because they're two different skillsets.

I have no great love for American women, but I've been in enough Fresh off the Banana Boat, first generation, cross cultural, interracial, and regular relationships to be wary of anyone saying that you'll find happiness in overseas (or non black) women and that happiness will last.

The cultural shit shows up all throughout your relationship, and strikes at your world view.

And no matter how well you prepare, you're always rolling the dice. ALWAYS. These guys yakking about prenups and keeping Paola locked up at home...

You can't make these broads do what you want, all you can do is make your offers appealing to her and continue to build on yourself.

Say you went to Indonesia and picked up a cute dark skin Muslim chick. You find her attractive, but her society is like ehhh,, pass.

Score right? Cute face, Big titties and a matching ass on sale!

The bitch should be grateful that a cat like you even noticed her. Whatever gratitude that you might get, ends. She's like "That was yesterday, what have you done for me lately?" She probably still loves you, but the day to day monotony will become the norm.

This is every relationship, but in most western relationships, you don't take a chick from ekeing out an existence, to material comfort. You've given her a whole lot more than you could ever get out of her, and the chick will forget all that shit if she's not feeling in love.

Pay attention to our brother Kai, he invested heavily in order to get his situation proper. It's important to like the culture more so than the women.

Hitting up Lagos or Accra for ass from the motherland is the cultural equivalent of going to India or Armenia.

WIA
DimeBait 路 2016-04-19 13:13:00 路 #1786
Good info. I don't know about rw95, but I'm just wondering how American, specifically Black American men are perceived among other black cultures.
vinman 路 2016-04-19 13:33:00 路 #1787
(04-14-2016 09:14 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  These posts too heavy!

Let's get back to the fun!

I been on my DuoLingo for the past 2 months, prepping for this trip to Latin America.

Still haven't bought the ticket - but here is what I'm thinking

1) 3 weeks in 3 cities in Colombia
2) 3/3 in Mexico
3) DR, Mexico City, Bogota

I'm outgoing enough in ingles, but Espanol? Ay Caramba.

WIA

You been holding out on me?!?

Fuckthat2

Fuckthat
WestIndianArchie 路 2016-04-19 13:40:00 路 #1788
My Naija friends (mostly Yoruba) are generally inclusive, just don't try and take their shit (money or women)

My Asian peeps complain about white guys taking their women. They have nothing on my African friends complaining about black guys getting one or two of their sisters.

In my experience, African women here have been receptive, but the ones I've met were on college or professionals. Like their male counterparts, they're surprisingly serious. And there is no coddling of you and your ego. Touched on Eritrea, Ethiopia, Uganda, Ghana, Rwanda, and Nigeria. If I dealt with more, I imagine that my overall impression would revert to the mean.

Keep in mind, African immigrants in America have the most education out of all groups in America. It's the exact opposite of Africans in Europe. So if you meet one here, she's de facto upper class, even if she doesn't think of herself that way.

Indian-ish women from Trinidad are very choosy and want their own.

Jamaican women, sweet to coarse, and compared to Americans, much more educated.

Afro-latinas, run the gamut. I'd toss Haitians in here as well. Something about romance languages that increases the fiery personality imo.

Do you want to come home to red beans and rice, rice and peas, arroz con dules, or Jollof?

WIA
Anabasis to Desta 路 2016-04-19 15:08:00 路 #1789
(04-19-2016 12:11 PM)rw95 Wrote:  I wonder if Anabasis and other Africans on the forum can chime in, but what is the potential of going to Africa to find potential lays/LTRs if one is so inclined? Black women seem to get a bad rep (no doubt largely due to the dysfunction seen in the African American community in general), but what about girls from Africa or the Caribbean? Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

*Note: If this topic has been discussed earlier in this thread or elsewhere on the forum please direct me there.


Africa is a big place but i can tell you for a fact that if you have trouble managing White, Latina or Asian American girls in a relationship ... then don't even bother with African girls. They're extremely smart and know what's best for them in any situation.

They'll can be sweeter than Asian girls if they sense some value in you but turn into a ghetto trap queen with attitude once they see some weakness.

If you're looking for African girls ... find girls from less populated countries like Ivory Coast or Angola who I've noticed are more naive, pleasant and less cut-throat. (Think the difference between a girl from Nebraska Vs a girl from NYC). If you're thinking Caribbean, go Bajan or Bahamian instead of Jamaican or Haitian. Less populated is always better.

Forget about Nigerian or Ethiopian girls. Nigeria is a country half the size of Alaska with a population of nearly 200 million. You can't keep up with the these girls. They'll run a few laps around you with their mentality. Western girls are like children compared to them. Try some RSD style high-energy clown game on an these girls and they'll laugh at you.

Having said that ... they are more willing to settle, start families and stay faithful considering that's how everyone close to them lives their life. Even during bumps in your relationship/marriage they're more likely to work through it than hop on the next shiny dick in front of them.

If you got decent game and have put your time in with western girls Africa could be a goldmine. But you can't expect to circumnavigate all female bullshit, sail to the dark continent and win the LTR/Marriage game through a shortcut.

Lays however are easy if you're a westerner. A bit harder if you're black but still easy.
WestIndianArchie 路 2016-04-20 13:31:00 路 #1790
How many of y'all have dated strippers?

I have, but I'm not trying to mess up that other post.

How would you compare and contrast a stripper with a typical attractive chick?

WIA
DimeBait 路 2016-04-20 13:42:00 路 #1791
I've had a couple stripper FB's who were generally good natured down to earth chicks. Though they weren't LTR material, to me, they were no different from any other chick. I've always connected well with really attractive women. Seems like we generally relate when it comes to being overly judged by others on our outward appearances. Them being perceived as "pretty and stuck up" and my gargantuan black ass as being "mean or angry," lol
rudebwoy 路 2016-04-20 14:18:00 路 #1792
Anabasis - that is some good analogy, comparing women from big nations to smaller nations.

Jamaican women could warrant a post of their own.

I know of two men who were married to Jamaican women who got seriously "burnt" by them. When I say burnt I mean of the physical kind, both dudes were on the couch relaxing. Both of them had been in heated arguments with their significant other, the one woman poured hot water from a kettle on her man. The other poured lighter fluid, while he was smoking. The first guy got minor burns luckily, the second guy got serious burns all over his body.

It's funny how you lumped Jamaican and Nigerian women together, they both come from the same "tribe". Maybe our resident Nigerian Moma might be able to shed some light on this subject.
Moma 路 2016-04-20 18:00:00 路 #1793
Rudebwoy, it's funny how you mention Jamaican lizards, I used to work with a yard man in Sauga and he said one gyal literally booted him out of bed cos he wasn't sexing her down correct. She kicked him out of the bed and he landed naked on the floor. That's how grimy they get. I also hear some in Jamaica move around with acid to fling pon people but let's stop with the scare stories lololol.
I used to work with a white dude in Wimbledon who had married a Nigerian lizard and he would come to work with scratches and bruises. She was a hefty egusi consuming type and she used to beat him for exercise.

Back to the origins. Jamaicans from what I heard were the most troublesome West African slaves taken to Jamaica to be 'broken'. They were taken from the warrior tribes in Ghana (Ashanti tribe) and from the Igbo and Yoruba in Nigeria. Possibly other tribes in Nigeria but I know those tribes for certain. I mentioned to Excelsior before that there is a Jamaican term that is exactly the same in the Nigerian language known as Igbo. That word is 'unnu' which means 'you' in a plural sense. When the Jamaicans rebelled, there was a group called the Maroons who I believe were mostly Ashanti tribe and lead by a Maroon woman named Nanny who you can still see on the Jamaican dollar.

Because of that history, the Jamaicans seem to be the most cantankerous group out of the Caribbeans. I don't know what Nigeria's issue is or was but they seem as turned up as Jamaicans which is why the two groups can seem at tremendous loggerheads often. Funny enough, in the UK, you see a lot of Nigerian men coupling with Jamaican women, it's as if the acid and the threat of 'me gwan fling 'ot water pon your rass, bwoy!' is an aphrodisiac LOL! That coupling happens in Canada too and America no doubt.

One of my distant uncles married a Jamaican woman from New York so I know they get down in America.
rw95 路 2016-04-20 18:51:00 路 #1794
(04-20-2016 06:00 PM)Moma Wrote:  Rudebwoy, it's funny how you mention Jamaican lizards, I used to work with a yard man in Sauga and he said one gyal literally booted him out of bed cos he wasn't sexing her down correct. She kicked him out of the bed and he landed naked on the floor. That's how grimy they get. I also hear some in Jamaica move around with acid to fling pon people but let's stop with the scare stories lololol.
I used to work with a white dude in Wimbledon who had married a Nigerian lizard and he would come to work with scratches and bruises. She was a hefty egusi consuming type and she used to beat him for exercise.

Back to the origins. Jamaicans from what I heard were the most troublesome West African slaves taken to Jamaica to be 'broken'. They were taken from the warrior tribes in Ghana (Ashanti tribe) and from the Igbo and Yoruba in Nigeria. Possibly other tribes in Nigeria but I know those tribes for certain. I mentioned to Excelsior before that there is a Jamaican term that is exactly the same in the Nigerian language known as Igbo. That word is 'unnu' which means 'you' in a plural sense. When the Jamaicans rebelled, there was a group called the Maroons who I believe were mostly Ashanti tribe and lead by a Maroon woman named Nanny who you can still see on the Jamaican dollar.

Because of that history, the Jamaicans seem to be the most cantankerous group out of the Caribbeans. I don't know what Nigeria's issue is or was but they seem as turned up as Jamaicans which is why the two groups can seem at tremendous loggerheads often. Funny enough, in the UK, you see a lot of Nigerian men coupling with Jamaican women, it's as if the acid and the threat of 'me gwan fling 'ot water pon your rass, bwoy!' is an aphrodisiac LOL! That coupling happens in Canada too and America no doubt.

One of my distant uncles married a Jamaican woman from New York so I know they get down in America.

Moma, do you or WIA know anything about where slaves in Trinidad came from?

(Also, any thoughts on Trini black women?)
Comte De St. Germain 路 2016-04-20 19:03:00 路 #1795
(04-20-2016 01:31 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  How many of y'all have dated strippers?

I have, but I'm not trying to mess up that other post.

How would you compare and contrast a stripper with a typical attractive chick?

WIA

Closest thing I can say that I dated is a gogo raver girl who danced for a night club(raver girls are a whole different can of worms as it is but I would imagine that strippers and the pro gogo dancers are cut from the same cloth/do both to make ends meet).

I'd say they are definitely more laid back and chill about everything. So they are more open about their sex life(the one I use to see even admitted to having an IUD planted in her so you know she liked getting busted into and slept around a lot), more materialistic, and more adept at manipulation.

Typical attractive(American) girls are more upfront about shit testing you when she isn't satisfied and their attempts at manipulation are easy to spot from a mile away(average guys know they are getting used, but they go with it anyways to get a shot at pussy).
Moma 路 2016-04-22 02:46:00 路 #1796
(04-20-2016 06:51 PM)rw95 Wrote:  Moma, do you or WIA know anything about where slaves in Trinidad came from?

(Also, any thoughts on Trini black women?)

I don't know much about the black origins of Trinidad. It might be that the majority came from the same coastal regions of Africa as the rest but less warriors. This is a speculation on less warriors, don't quote me Smile.

Trinidad is heavily mixed with Indian people from India, Asia. I believe they came over to the West Indies (Caribbean) as indentured servants and Trinidad seems to be the island where most of them went to or were dropped in. I think it has the most Indians in the Caribbean and Guyana comes in second place.

I travelled to Trinidad some years ago (going on 6 years now) and I remember that I felt like I was going to India. I must have been the only guy on the plane with no Indian blood, everyone on there was either Indo-Caribbean or black mixed with India. I stayed in Port of Spain and from the airport, the percentage of Indian to black was at least 50/50. The prime minister of Trinidad at the time was an Indo Caribbean woman.

I've linked a few black Trinis. I was wukking one in Toronto whose grandma was straight Indian. You could see it in her features and her hair. I also had a very good female friend (platonic) who was black Trini and my roommate was a Trini guy.


GENERALISATION TIME!


I don't know if there is a major difference between Indian Trini and Black Trini lizards from a dating standpoint. It doesn't seem to be the case on cursory level but nonetheless, here is my take. My knowledge on that culture were non existent until I moved to the dot. Jamaica, I've known from time (nuff Jamos in London).

From what I've heard and again, don't quote me, is that Trini lizards can be sly. I think Jamaican women are more straight down the middle in your face but the black Trini lizards can be more cunning so you have to second guess them more.
I also worked with a St Lucian guy and he substantiated this.

What I do know is that Trinis luv to go and party to soca as a general rule. Horning a man (something similar would be boopsing for Jamaicans) is also a thing that they can have a tendency to do especially if you are waning in the sexual department. I may tend to believe the slyness because the Trini lizard that I mashed out was horning some guy (she told me after I drilled her out which by then it was too late for me to bail!).

I used to date a West Indian lizard and her Trini friend was engaged to a guy yet was trying to get me to jook her. One time at dinner at the Trini lizard's place, she had a lot to drink and admitted she was a sketel back in Trinidad hahaha. When I was in Trinidad, in the inn that I stayed in, the Trini lizard who managed it, told me openly that 'Trinidad have a lot of fine gyal'. Basically she was encouraging me to go out and mash out a few lizards.

Lizards from all cultures tend to cheat but I feel the Trinis seem to be able to pull it off smoother so for guys who want to link them, you may have to step up your sensory game in order to keep them at bay. Again, this is only my speculation and resident Trinis here or more solid experts can always chime in.


GLOSSARY:


Horning: Trinidadian term for cheating on your partner. It can go for either gender. A man can horn his lizard or a lizard can horn her man.

Here is a famous Trini Calypsonian (Mighty Shadow) who sang about how a man can get 'horned':






Boops: Jamaican term for the lure of sex to extract benefits from the target (often monetary). Usually associated with a lizard to a man (man is the target) but not gender exclusive as a man can also bups a lizard. Similar to the concept of simping.

Here is a video by a famous Jamaican artist (Supercat) who sung about 'boopsing':



DimeBait 路 2016-04-22 11:12:00 路 #1797
Avon Barksdale 路 2016-04-22 11:34:00 路 #1798
(04-22-2016 11:12 AM)DimeBait Wrote:  Random, but are we really surprised?

87% of White women want to have sex with Black men, according to new study.

Yea but it says only 13 percent actually would want to raise a family with us
Comte De St. Germain 路 2016-04-22 11:46:00 路 #1799
(04-22-2016 11:34 AM)Avon Barksdale Wrote:  
(04-22-2016 11:12 AM)DimeBait Wrote:  Random, but are we really surprised?

87% of White women want to have sex with Black men, according to new study.

Yea but it says only 13 percent actually would want to raise a family with us

The real question here is how many of these girls are even worth wifing up?
DimeBait 路 2016-04-22 11:48:00 路 #1800
(04-22-2016 11:34 AM)Avon Barksdale Wrote:  
(04-22-2016 11:12 AM)DimeBait Wrote:  Random, but are we really surprised?

87% of White women want to have sex with Black men, according to new study.

Yea but it says only 13 percent actually would want to raise a family with us

Because they see us as lovers, not providers.
Which is why I'm a proponent of fucking any and every kind of women, but only settling down with my own kind.
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