(04-07-2016 05:08 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  Personally, having married and had children by someone outside my race, now divorced, I basically learned my lesson. Though everyone's experience is different, my second time around, I would choose to settle down with someone that shared similar cultural experiences as me. Of course, I find myself physically attracted to ALL varieties of women, however, when it comes to building a life together, that's another story.
I would not enjoy being surrounded by 'majorities' all day during work, then coming home to another one. In my experiences, the differences created far more problems than they solved.

My father is indigenous, and my mother is white, and I would probably have to agree. The cultural differences between both families have led to so many years of tension and miscommunication that I'm sure he would probably do it differently in another life.

(04-11-2016 06:09 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(04-11-2016 04:42 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(04-11-2016 03:28 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Spring is almost here. I'm more than halfway through my cut, new suit time.

What's popping for the new season?

WIA

You tell me, bro, you are the fashion hub! I'm in the South so I can get away with slumming it somewhat (or so I believe). I'm also in the process of designing an updated body to get some of that passive in-CUM.

Spring/Summer = brighter clothes, fabrics that you breath, white sneakers/shoes, swim trunks.

Bout to bite the bullet on this Bogota trip. Everytime my finger hovers over the buy button, I think of the cash I'm losing by not working.

WIA

Nice! I'd love to hear all about the trip if you decide to ultimately go. I've never been to Colombia before.

About the not working bit, does the nature of your work allow you to work at home or become remote? Sometimes all it takes is greasing your employer.

I had a buddy who pretty much built trust by pitching his office that he should be able to be more flexible and requested to work from elsewhere. He started off doing 1-2 days of work at home and became ultra-productive (so he says ) to prove a point. Then he pretty much eased into 3-4 days a week 'at home', with him only having to check in once a month or so on-site. Not sure how much you travel, but that'd be something to think about.

(04-11-2016 04:42 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  James Byrd Jr. was dragged to death in East Texas in 1998, not 1960. When did something like that happen in the UK?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_...n_Lawrence

"Brooks saw a group of five or six white youths coming from Rochester Way on the opposite side of the street near the area of the zebra crossing moving towards them. At 10:35 pm, he called out to ask whether Lawrence saw the bus coming. Brooks claimed that he heard one of Lawrence's assailants saying: "What, what, nigger?" as they all quickly crossed the road and 'engulfed' Lawrence, who was forced down and then received two stab wounds to a depth of about 5 inches (13 cm) on both sides of the front of his body, in the right collarbone and left shoulder."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Anthony_Walker (2005)
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-35472472

"Ten years ago, Anthony Walker was chased from a Merseyside bus stop and bludgeoned to death with an ice axe by a pair of racist killers."

--
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1...t-row.html (2006)

"A gang of five white men chased and stabbed to death a black teenager in just 50 seconds after a row about racist taunts, a court has heard.

Christopher Alaneme, 18, suffered a fatal 8cm knife wound in his abdomen which penetrated his liver, severing a major vein."

--
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-16438933
--

At least James Boyd's murderers were executed. Stephen Lawrence's murderers are still roaming about. Only 2 of the accused were convicted. And even that was because of multiple private prosecutions.

"It took nearly 19 years of constant campaigning, two failed prosecutions, and tens of millions of pounds to convict just two of Stephen Lawrence killers."

Quote:whereas some Europeans hate minorities because they consume jobs and social entitlements. It's just much more nuanced than a surface level comparison.

I think you've been reading the Everything Else section a bit too much

^ Dude you read my mind, those UK killings were brutal to say the least.

I would never undermind the racism that has gone on in America, but don't for one second think living in the UK is some sort of paradise for the black man.
The thing about the UK it is a small island probably the size of Rhode Island, but with a population of 60 million plus. Despite the lack of guns, the violence tends to be more of a physical nature (e.g - fist fights, stabbing).

Also this notion of France ending slavery in the 1300s is foreign to me, the French have been slaughtering Africans for centuries across the diaspora.

I can assure you minorities aren't consuming jobs in Europe, if that is the case please fill me in so I can take advantage of my European passport. LOL

I think someone may have asked previously, but what countries are the more conducive for black men than others?

Dime, listen to the podcasts. Most of our guests have travelled extensively through the world.

(04-12-2016 03:10 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  I think someone may have asked previously, but what countries are the more conducive for black men than others?

There is also another thread in the travel section that talks about that subject.

You will know the answer by taking the plunge, what maybe good for me might not be good for you and vice versa.

(04-11-2016 02:40 PM)thedarkknight Wrote:  "In bed,so I will write more tomorrow.

I asked because in Stockholm,black people are viewed and treated like shit.

Now I'm in Italy,most of the black people here seem to be very poor.I do not see many here,but in Milan,99% of the security guards in shops are black.

And I notice that black people here are not liked and I begin to wonder,in Europe,is there anywhere where it is ok to be black?"

A message from my 45-year-old half brother. He went to a posh grammar school in London and messaged me an hour ago with that message-unprompted. Read into that what you will. Of course, I responded with, " What took you so long?"

(04-12-2016 02:16 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  I can assure you minorities aren't consuming jobs in Europe, if that is the case please fill me in so I can take advantage of my European passport. LOL

I'm with you on that. Related to what Dark Knight mentioned earlier, our list of countries that are normally great places for a black are slowly dwindling. To hear even a great place like Sweden is regressing, is downright depressing. But we have to look at this relatively, places like the US or Scandinavia may not be paradise for us black men but they are much better than most places in the world. I have traveled extensively with the exception of Africa (I did visit South Africa) and South America, and I must say there are very few places on this planet where black men are not discriminated against or marginalized. However, I do feel my quality of life has improved moving from North Carolina to the Netherlands. It's not perfect here and this country has its' issues but overall it is a decent place for a black man.

I think the problem we are facing today is related to the migration crisis. To put it in context, I lived in Germany in the early 2000s when I was in high school; I remember it was great being a black man there. I almost felt like a B-list celebrity when I went into the town, mainly because the majority of black men there were associated with America. Fast forward to when I was in Germany this past summer and I felt the difference. People seemed more apprehensive towards me, enough to actually make me stop someone and ask why. Their answer, "well most people think probably think you are African and the Africans cause trouble". Also to add on to that, Europe is experiencing a shift to the right/nationalism as the influx of Muslim immigrants has caused them to question and renegotiate European identity.

It has become troubling, I will admit. This past week I went on a date with a half German/half Turkish girl that is also studying in the Netherlands. In the middle of the date she says, "black people are trouble". I was shocked she would say some shit like that while on a date with a black man, but it does reflect the attitude of some Europeans today. If they know one black man of ill character, they assume all black men are bad.

Of course it is not all doom and gloom, there are still places out there where it is actually not so bad being a brotha. We have talked about them ad nauseum, i.e. Denmark, Finland, France, Germany (at least for the moment), etc.

I always planned on moving to Germany and living there long term but if this trend continues, I may need an alternative country. Due to the love I get from the local women, Denmark and Finland are enticing but I'm not sure if I want to work in those countries.

Nubian God factor (little game, more exotic factor) exists in
- Japan
- Europe, that's not facing immigration issues
- Some parts of Mexico

Game plus language, sometimes American/Westerner
- Latin America
- Caribbean
- Africa

Pocket interest everywhere else. Mandingo legend precedes all of us. Even in racist ass Russia you can get your dick sucked.

No good data on the middle East or India. But you can sample basmati wherever there are some westernized chicks.

But you're better off sticking with the sistas from the sound of it.

WIA

(04-12-2016 03:40 PM)Fury Wrote:  If they know one black man of ill character, they assume all black men are bad.

This is our biggest obstacle, we are judged as a group.

(04-12-2016 03:40 PM)Fury Wrote:  

(04-11-2016 02:40 PM)thedarkknight Wrote:  "In bed,so I will write more tomorrow.

I asked because in Stockholm,black people are viewed and treated like shit.

Now I'm in Italy,most of the black people here seem to be very poor.I do not see many here,but in Milan,99% of the security guards in shops are black.

And I notice that black people here are not liked and I begin to wonder,in Europe,is there anywhere where it is ok to be black?"

A message from my 45-year-old half brother. He went to a posh grammar school in London and messaged me an hour ago with that message-unprompted. Read into that what you will. Of course, I responded with, " What took you so long?"

(04-12-2016 02:16 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  I can assure you minorities aren't consuming jobs in Europe, if that is the case please fill me in so I can take advantage of my European passport. LOL

(Long post)

I always planned on moving to Germany and living there long term but if this trend continues, I may need an alternative country. Due to the love I get from the local women, Denmark and Finland are enticing but I'm not sure if I want to work in those countries.

I'm going to have to full heartedly disagree with you about Germany.

A lot of people have the way the world works mistaken and fail to take into account human nature and their own lack of individuality.

I spent 2.5 months out in Berlin, with about 2 weeks in Koln. I didn't experience one bit of racism and that's not to say it doesn't occur, but here are my theories on the matter:

The reason I say this is on my first escapades through Europe, I made a stop over in Oslo and was walking back from a nightclub, when this hipster blond haired Norwegian girl built like a stripper straight out of a 2chainz video walked passed me. I instantly tried to holler and she slows down almost stops, has second thoughts and kept walking. My boy and I are ready to call her racist until we turn back and see these African/Somalian refugees walk up on the girl super close and try to grab her, she scurrys off and they all laugh like shit was sport. From that moment i realized in it's entirety the concept of better safe than sorry.

A lot of dudes post shit about racist this and racist that, but some of us, as civilized black guys, fail to realize like rudeboy said, we are clumped together. That's not them being racist, that is human nature. One of my first times walking home alone in middle school, I got jumped by some dudes in red shirts (take a hint what they were about). From that moment on, every time I saw a group of dudes wearing red, i subconsciously and consciously thought my ass whipping is coming.

I say this to say most of these europeans you think are saying fucked up shit like "blacks are bad" have actually encountered blacks that aren't shit. I don't give a fuck about being P.C or anything. Point blank period,a lot of these young african refugees aren't shit and do cause trouble. When I was in Berlin, i was really vibing with this Serbian chick, she meet me near Görlitzer Park. If any of you are familiar with the area, it's straight up a shit ton of african dudes selling the shittiest weed and other drugs you can think of. She tensed up walking past them and i asked her what was up. She said on multiple occasions those same dudes have groped her and her friends and followed them for some time. I honestly asked her had she interacted with any black guys before then and she said no. These same dudes walked up on me and my girlfriend when I was trying to buy "tea" and it got to the point I gave my girl my phone and told these dudes to back up and pushed them back with my hand.

I met with my girl and her friends for karaoke in Berlin one night and she was telling me the shit they were asking her before hand like how can she date a black guy, is her family upset with her, how they don't like black guys etc etc. I met with them girls and by the end of the night my girl was getting super jealous because these girls were all over me and some of them even asked do i have brothers or friends I can introduce them to. What I did: Dress my ass off following that WIA fall style thread, was funny, cheerful and just was myself.

You guys need to stop thinking you are special and that the world shines special light on you. Yeah you're from the U.S. or U.K, yeah you have bank and surplus of intelligence and style, but guess the fuck what, the second you leave, these girls and people you met will run into the same group of black dudes that aren't worth shit, don't have money and do dumb shit that you wouldn't dream of.

If you want to go to any country fucking go. That was the best advice these vets kept giving guys like me when I first came on the forum. Think I'm lying? Go back through TravelerKai, WIA, Rudebwoy, Azulsombra, Sourcecode and Moma's post history. Each one of them at some point has told newbies like us, asking for which country is racist or like black guys to just go visit and experience it for our-self. That's the best advice you can take. If you approach a chick and she rejects you because you are black so fucking what, approach the next one and the next one, it's called game for a reason.

Unless you literally can't defend yourself and scared of your own shadow, just go. Act like you have some sense and stop thinking you are the unique black god people should bow down to.

-CD

(04-12-2016 03:40 PM)Fury Wrote:  I'm with you on that. Related to what Dark Knight mentioned earlier, our list of countries that are normally great places for a black are slowly dwindling. To hear even a great place like Sweden is regressing, is downright depressing. But we have to look at this relatively, places like the US or Scandinavia may not be paradise for us black men but they are much better than most places in the world. I have traveled extensively with the exception of Africa (I did visit South Africa) and South America, and I must say there are very few places on this planet where black men are not discriminated against or marginalized. However, I do feel my quality of life has improved moving from North Carolina to the Netherlands. It's not perfect here and this country has its' issues but overall it is a decent place for a black man.

I think the problem we are facing today is related to the migration crisis. To put it in context, I lived in Germany in the early 2000s when I was in high school; I remember it was great being a black man there. I almost felt like a B-list celebrity when I went into the town, mainly because the majority of black men there were associated with America. Fast forward to when I was in Germany this past summer and I felt the difference. People seemed more apprehensive towards me, enough to actually make me stop someone and ask why. Their answer, "well most people think probably think you are African and the Africans cause trouble". Also to add on to that, Europe is experiencing a shift to the right/nationalism as the influx of Muslim immigrants has caused them to question and renegotiate European identity.

It has become troubling, I will admit. This past week I went on a date with a half German/half Turkish girl that is also studying in the Netherlands. In the middle of the date she says, "black people are trouble". I was shocked she would say some shit like that while on a date with a black man, but it does reflect the attitude of some Europeans today. If they know one black man of ill character, they assume all black men are bad.

Of course it is not all doom and gloom, there are still places out there where it is actually not so bad being a brotha. We have talked about them ad nauseum, i.e. Denmark, Finland, France, Germany (at least for the moment), etc.

I always planned on moving to Germany and living there long term but if this trend continues, I may need an alternative country. Due to the love I get from the local women, Denmark and Finland are enticing but I'm not sure if I want to work in those countries.

Coverdoc,

Disagree on what? Like you, I also recognize that many of the preconceived notions about us are usually tied to past experiences with other blacks in Europe, specifically Africans. I think we actually agree on most points but you focused on my last sentence instead of my whole post. I still earlier in the post identified Germany as a great place to live, even with the current issues. Yes, my last sentence I mentioned finding alternative places to live besides Germany but that is of course if the migration crisis continues to worsen there.

With that said, I actually agree with all your other points. We are not special little butterflies and the world doesn't owe us shit.

(04-07-2016 05:08 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  Personally, having married and had children by someone outside my race, now divorced, I basically learned my lesson. Though everyone's experience is different, my second time around, I would choose to settle down with someone that shared similar cultural experiences as me.

A couple of other guys in this thread have already said this so I won't belabor the point, but it is essential to note that for some guys, the people with the most cultural similarity/fit are not always going to be people that look like them.
The key, as others have said, is to find someone who meshes well with you.

As a black male, I find it particularly important to consider two things:
1. People who look like you may not always be the best fit, especially if you are a non-stereotypical black male living in a place like the USA. As I've noted in earlier posts, deviating too far from the expectation black women have of masculinity can leave you in a difficult position when it comes to maintaining relationships with them. If you're in this situation, you need to avoid subscribing to the "black queen"/"keep it black" logic that will often be forced on you. Find your best fit, whatever she looks like.

2. White women are not a panacea and shouldn't be treated as such. Even as a non-stereotypical black male who struggles connecting with black females in a place like the USA, you may find that many white girls come from backgrounds that are no more conducive to a healthy relationship with someone like you. DimeBait did a good job of outlining a situation in which that is the case (though his girl was hispanic) and illustrating the challenges that come with it.
I see a lot of non-stereotypical black men who feel like outsiders in black America respond by putting white women on a pedestal. The white girl is the answer to all of their romantic problems, a lifeline in a turbulent ocean they've navigated so far that has been filled with obstacles stemming from their non-stereotypical ways and disconnect with black culture. They give white girls slack when they don't necessarily deserve it and big them up when it is unnecessary. They effectively turn into simps round white girls, and we all know where that path takes you.

Personally, I know I've got an issue. I'm not nearly black enough for black American women and I have a very tough time connecting with them on a deeper level. We simply tend to live on different wavelengths, largely due to the way I was brought up. I'm just different - too far away from the norm of black masculinity to be consistently attractive to them at this point in my life.

How do I respond to this? Most black men in my position date out, and I'm not gonna be an exception. But I'm also not going to thirst after every non-black woman who appears as though she's some kind of lifeline in a stormy sea. While I might have better odds of positive interaction than I would with a standard black American woman (read: better odds of building rapport, more to talk about, etc), there are still serious challenges that I cannot be blinded too simply because I'm an outsider in black America and I want a "lifeline" to counter the rejection. There are no panaceas. I know that while I'm not black enough for the black women, I'm probably still too black for a lot of non-black women and (more importantly for someone considering a serious relationship with marriage, children, etc) FAR too black for many of their families. No man can afford to ignore these challenges if they want a serious relationship.

TL;DR: Find someone on a wavelength that is similar to yours that will allow you to connect. Don't assume that someone looks just like you, but don't go to the other extreme and assume that person must have some other phenotype (ex: pedestalizing white women as the all-encompassing, definitive "answer" to all problems of the non-stereotypical black male who struggles with black women). Keep an open mind.

(04-13-2016 05:46 AM)Excelsior Wrote:  Personally, I know I've got an issue. I'm not nearly black enough for black American women and I have a very tough time connecting with them on a deeper level. We simply tend to live on different wavelengths, largely due to the way I was brought up. I'm just different - too far away from the norm of black masculinity to be consistently attractive to them at this point in my life.

How do I respond to this? Most black men in my position date out, and I'm not gonna be an exception. But I'm also not going to thirst after every non-black woman who appears as though she's some kind of lifeline in a stormy sea. While I might have better odds of positive interaction than I would with a standard black American woman (read: better odds of building rapport, more to talk about, etc), there are still serious challenges that I cannot be blinded too simply because I'm an outsider in black America and I want a "lifeline" to counter the rejection. There are no panaceas. I know that while I'm not black enough for the black women, I'm probably still too black for a lot of non-black women and (more importantly for someone considering a serious relationship with marriage, children, etc) FAR too black for many of their families. No man can afford to ignore these challenges if they want a serious relationship.

One of my friends had an issue like this in college. He was Haitian-Canadian and had a disconnect with black American culture. Had a hard time getting a girlfriend until he started acting "blacker", cornrowing his hair, picking fights, profanity, etc. It worked, he eventually started dating this black girl before she broke up with him and he was damn near suicidal over it.

It's a shame that black men have to put on a front just to be accepted by some people. White guys can pull off either the Eminem or John Mayer type and it'll work, while we always have to be 50 cent. I'd rather be single than risk jail time or possible job loss trying to act hard for some broad that's not worth it in the long run anyway.

That's why part of me is hoping Idris Elba can get the James Bond part someday. Not just out of racial pride but it could represent a shift in how black people are represented in popular culture.

Sounds like he needs game.

Some of these chicks, black/white/whatever are really dead set on these ludicrous ideas of what they're attracted to.

In the 80's they wanted a light skin guy. Nobody wanted a thug.

Then Wesley Snipes brought back chocolate. So they wanted that.

Then it was drug dealers. Now it's these Wiz Khalifa skinny jeans wearing super tatted up guys. In my neck of the woods even rocker white guys are getting love.

They're trendy, and they change their minds, all the time.

Game is not about fitting into some preset identity and putting yourself out there like a commodity.

You think chicks are really checking for my Rastafarian in a suit vibe? Of course not.

That's why I had to step up what I was saying to these chicks. I have to break through her preconceptions.

I bring her into my reality.

If you aren't doing that, you're not running game. You're showing up and getting lucky. You're depending on alcohol, lowered inhibitions, tight logistics, and raging hormones.

You're gambling. You're speculating.

WIA

(04-13-2016 06:59 AM)MdWanderer Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 05:46 AM)Excelsior Wrote:  Personally, I know I've got an issue. I'm not nearly black enough for black American women and I have a very tough time connecting with them on a deeper level. We simply tend to live on different wavelengths, largely due to the way I was brought up. I'm just different - too far away from the norm of black masculinity to be consistently attractive to them at this point in my life.

How do I respond to this? Most black men in my position date out, and I'm not gonna be an exception. But I'm also not going to thirst after every non-black woman who appears as though she's some kind of lifeline in a stormy sea. While I might have better odds of positive interaction than I would with a standard black American woman (read: better odds of building rapport, more to talk about, etc), there are still serious challenges that I cannot be blinded too simply because I'm an outsider in black America and I want a "lifeline" to counter the rejection. There are no panaceas. I know that while I'm not black enough for the black women, I'm probably still too black for a lot of non-black women and (more importantly for someone considering a serious relationship with marriage, children, etc) FAR too black for many of their families. No man can afford to ignore these challenges if they want a serious relationship.

It's a shame that black men have to put on a front just to be accepted by some people. White guys can pull off either the Eminem or John Mayer type and it'll work, while we always have to be 50 cent. I'd rather be single than risk jail time or possible job loss trying to act hard for some broad that's not worth it in the long run anyway.

This is somewhat true but not as true as it once was. Turn back the clock about a decade and I would be more apt to agree with this. In the pre-Obama, pre-Kanye west era right before "gangsta rap" largely died out it was much, much worse. Styles were MUCH more rigid for black men, Kanye even talked about it on his first album how at the time if you didnt look like every other black stereotype of a rapper no one took you seriously.

Baggy pants plus jordans or Timbs was the unofficial black uniform or you were looked at suspect. There was very little breathing room back then to carve a niche and be different, not just in hiphop but around most black folks. Lil Wayne couldnt have been a skater back then without losing his fan base. Comparing that era to now things are notably better. It wasn't even common for brothas to wear dress shirts at nightclubs until Jay-Z made that shit cool and the only dudes in suits were pimps!

Sure, many attractive US Black women still lean towards the more thugged out stereotypical brotha, especially in the urban Northeast.. Still, brothas don't always have to take the hypermasculine "50 cent" frame to get attractive women, especially non-black women.

A frame like Kanye's, urban, cocky, agressive but not violent will attract women as well. He's also a posterchild to America and the world of a high profile interracial relationship watched by millions of young women on TV, like it or not.

Also one of the most highly watched globally known black TV series post Cosby was undoubtedly the Fresh Prince. Im surprised how many young non-black chicks born in the 90s are still familiar with this show. The frame Will displayed in the show is also highly succesful with chicks, it doesn't hurt that he's not a bad looking guy but his urban swag combined with cocky playfulness is another sweet spot for men of color without dipping into thug territory.

There is a lot of grey area now between being Urkel/Carlton/Braxton and 50 cent/Rick Ross/2Chainz

(04-12-2016 12:11 PM)Vice Wrote:  

(04-11-2016 04:42 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  James Byrd Jr. was dragged to death in East Texas in 1998, not 1960. When did something like that happen in the UK?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_...n_Lawrence

"Brooks saw a group of five or six white youths coming from Rochester Way on the opposite side of the street near the area of the zebra crossing moving towards them. At 10:35 pm, he called out to ask whether Lawrence saw the bus coming. Brooks claimed that he heard one of Lawrence's assailants saying: "What, what, nigger?" as they all quickly crossed the road and 'engulfed' Lawrence, who was forced down and then received two stab wounds to a depth of about 5 inches (13 cm) on both sides of the front of his body, in the right collarbone and left shoulder."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Anthony_Walker (2005)
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-35472472

"Ten years ago, Anthony Walker was chased from a Merseyside bus stop and bludgeoned to death with an ice axe by a pair of racist killers."

--
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1...t-row.html (2006)

"A gang of five white men chased and stabbed to death a black teenager in just 50 seconds after a row about racist taunts, a court has heard.

Christopher Alaneme, 18, suffered a fatal 8cm knife wound in his abdomen which penetrated his liver, severing a major vein."

--
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-16438933
--

At least James Boyd's murderers were executed. Stephen Lawrence's murderers are still roaming about. Only 2 of the accused were convicted. And even that was because of multiple private prosecutions.

"It took nearly 19 years of constant campaigning, two failed prosecutions, and tens of millions of pounds to convict just two of Stephen Lawrence killers."

Quote:whereas some Europeans hate minorities because they consume jobs and social entitlements. It's just much more nuanced than a surface level comparison.

I think you've been reading the Everything Else section a bit too much

So what is this ultimately supposed to mean? The UK is known for physical violence because you guys do not throw people in USA-like prisons for 10-20 years minimum, for just having a fist fight.

Like Moma said previously, you guys have soccer hooligans and mob violence (chavs). Those kinds of things cannot exist here because the penalties are so severe, no one white, black, or rich could get off free as easily as a UK citizen could over a fist fight. Did you know you could go to jail in the US for 5-10 years for even spitting in someone's face? We even have a charge called "Terroristic Threat" and even threatening someone is another form of felony assault. Correct me if I am wrong, but I do not know if you guys have this or not.

I think you guys are mis-attributing the causes of UK racism and trying to compare it to America's brand of racism. Maybe I am understanding you guys wrong. America's brand of racism is called that for a reason. It never really existed anywhere else in the world. South Africa comes the closest. Not the UK. Again, I am not saying the UK does not have race issues, I am just saying it is has a different cause than America's, has a much different cultural/social reasons, has religious reasons, and has a much different history. All those factors make it harder to say that the UK is the same as America or worst racism wise. You would have your work cut out for you if you really want to make a comparison like that. You might as well turn it into a book with sources to back up your points and make alot of money on it.

Here are some historical difficulties we have to address, before any comparisons can be made:

1. Blacks were brought here to the US by whites. None of us came here on our own volition or because we were a holding of an empire (The British Empire).

2. Black men gained the right to vote before white women here. It's a long story but it caused us to lose it again in the South and powerful feminists and liberals turned their backs on us overnight.

3. America had the Civil War and Reconstruction period after the war (Black Codes even preceded Jim Crow laws). Both are extremely long topics and the latter set the stage for the racism we have even today. Has the UK ever had apartheid or anything like it?

4. Our ancestors were sold with no knowledge of their real names (there are a few exceptions, I'm sure), no documentation pointing to original origin, were given English names, and often times forcibly interbred with whites via rape, hence the large variety in our skin tones. Poor/inaccurate census records (prior to 1930's) make it even harder at times to find out detailed information. (For example, I have ancestors listed as white, mullato, or black, when it may or may not have been true, because they may have been Native American or looked like Steph Curry or lighter)

5. UK did not even have legal slavery on it's own lands. I cannot speak to every empire holding though because I do not have much knowledge on that aspect of British History.

6. Even after the US banned slave trading, slavery ended in 1865, many decades later. After it was over, sharecropping in many many cases was just as bad as indentured servitude. The combination with Black Codes makes it worse.

7. Whites and KKK elements in the US had all kinds of religious reasons for the justification of slavery, subjugation, etc. The main being that we are the descendants of Ham and because of Noah's curse we are to serve Japhet forever. The funny thing is that because of another racism via the Early Church, they got rid of "certain books" from the Bible that discuss Ham's seed being extremely dominant on others. Figures like Nimrod come to mind....but I digress. UK/Europe used the New Testament as a basis for equality and abolishment. Economic reasons are plentiful too, but America was extremely slow to catch onto such an "advanced" concept, but you still have White Nationalists, Mormons, Pentacostal, and even some Southern White Baptists that still hold on to these beliefs to this day. One paragraph cannot fully explain it, but religion plays a major factor in American Style Racism.

8. Population and demographic numbers. I quickly looked up how many blacks are in the UK even now, and that pales in comparison to the number in the US. It's not even in the ballpark. If we looked up past records the discrepancy might be larger. This matters because of what I stated before about being able to protest. You cannot protest against another group without having enough numbers to make an impact. Non-Violent style tactics require manpower to perform. Martin Luther King and Ghandi had enough manpower to create the change they sought out.

The UK's race problems on the surface looks isolated and very passive aggressive. I do not see direct links to your government putting concerted efforts to subjugate a group of people based upon arbitrary skin color. Looks vigilante and the actions of specific individuals. The Klan controlled/influenced/had membership in local and federal government in certain states as recently as the 1980s and early 90s. J Edgar Hoover the man who created the FBI, had to secretly use an Italian Mob hitman, Roy DeMeo who probably murdered 200 people, to find out what KKK people killed some white kids and dumped them in the woods, because the whole state, the judges, and the juries was controlled by the Klan. Roy tortured some Klansmen in a garage to get them to snitch.

I have read historical books that compare America's race issues to South Africa's, but never any other countries. It's just not exactly the same. These were completely deliberate systems of oppression.

I will also say that endgame for RVF, what does your recent random race violence with skinheads have to do with black guys on RVF? Russia and EE is more known for these things than the UK. Is the UK not safe for blacks to travel to? Is it better to stay in London or just certain parts? I have always dreamed of going there ever since I took my first British Empire history course in college. I also have an addiction to UK Drum and Bass music and want to go to a few concerts someday.

All that said, I do know that times do change. That is why trip reports and datasheets are important. America's top problems are not racism anymore, in my opinion. Obama even commented about white women clutching their purses in the elevator. Those are annoyances at the most. It is nothing like the old days honestly. The worst impact is job stuff/career. These days talking back to the police regardless of your skin color is about the only thing that will get you fucked up by them. Used to be, they came looking for negroes to rough up, and I am talking about 80s and 90s. That scene in the NWA movie with the police was par for the course back then. They would commonly drive to the basketball courts in force to scare or intimidate us. If anyone ran away, the whole group of us is screwed.

What has gotten worse in America than racism? Police Brutality and Police State issues? Yeah. Absurdly expensive healthcare and skyrocketing cost of living? Yeah. Obesity? Absolutely. Feminism/Entitled women? Of course! What about the UK? You guys were the first major democracy to give up your right to privacy in public. CCTV cameras are everywhere there. You have even less privacy than Americans even with our NSA spying on us getting exposed. Your cameras even look for drunk people that "might cause a problem". Shit is starting to blur the line on "Thought Crime".

You can read about Brazil on this forum via the datasheets and threads and see a regression. That Phil dude that made those videos in Russia was very intriguing to the forum for a good while because there was some worry or expectation he was probably gonna get his ass kicked or killed possibly due to skinhead-like Russians that hate foreigners/blacks/whatever. Last time I checked he is still alive I think. Others have made reports on other EE countries having issues with skinheads, it's good to get intel on this asap to help others avoid issues. Regardless of black or white, being a foreigner in China has had it's dangers, but it is getting better somewhat.

My point is basically that places change for better and for worse all the time. We need good data and if there really is a big problem somewhere, it would be good for guys that are on the ground and know what is going on to say something, because being black is still a problem somewhere on Earth. We just need to know where those places are and how bad. Not trying to say we need to get into the business of scare-mongering dudes from travel, but knowledge is always half the battle won, never lost.

Also, I don't need to get my information from WN/racists on the Everything Else forum. As a trained historian, I know how to get my own information and I stay informed on current events as much as possible. If you think all places in Europe that do not like blacks/minorities for all reasons outside of jobs and entitlements, you better provide some examples of that. Germany is one of the main ones that comes to mind to me. Lots of these countries have alot more social programs than America does, so it is always a concern of how they will pay for those that they think contribute less or none.

(04-13-2016 05:46 AM)Excelsior Wrote:  

(04-07-2016 05:08 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  Personally, having married and had children by someone outside my race, now divorced, I basically learned my lesson. Though everyone's experience is different, my second time around, I would choose to settle down with someone that shared similar cultural experiences as me.

A couple of other guys in this thread have already said this so I won't belabor the point, but it is essential to note that for some guys, the people with the most cultural similarity/fit are not always going to be people that look like them.
The key, as others have said, is to find someone who meshes well with you.

As a black male, I find it particularly important to consider two things:
1. People who look like you may not always be the best fit, especially if you are a non-stereotypical black male living in a place like the USA. As I've noted in earlier posts, deviating too far from the expectation black women have of masculinity can leave you in a difficult position when it comes to maintaining relationships with them. If you're in this situation, you need to avoid subscribing to the "black queen"/"keep it black" logic that will often be forced on you. Find your best fit, whatever she looks like.

2. White women are not a panacea and shouldn't be treated as such. Even as a non-stereotypical black male who struggles connecting with black females in a place like the USA, you may find that many white girls come from backgrounds that are no more conducive to a healthy relationship with someone like you. DimeBait did a good job of outlining a situation in which that is the case (though his girl was hispanic) and illustrating the challenges that come with it.
I see a lot of non-stereotypical black men who feel like outsiders in black America respond by putting white women on a pedestal. The white girl is the answer to all of their romantic problems, a lifeline in a turbulent ocean they've navigated so far that has been filled with obstacles stemming from their non-stereotypical ways and disconnect with black culture. They give white girls slack when they don't necessarily deserve it and big them up when it is unnecessary. They effectively turn into simps round white girls, and we all know where that path takes you.

Personally, I know I've got an issue. I'm not nearly black enough for black American women and I have a very tough time connecting with them on a deeper level. We simply tend to live on different wavelengths, largely due to the way I was brought up. I'm just different - too far away from the norm of black masculinity to be consistently attractive to them at this point in my life.

How do I respond to this? Most black men in my position date out, and I'm not gonna be an exception. But I'm also not going to thirst after every non-black woman who appears as though she's some kind of lifeline in a stormy sea. While I might have better odds of positive interaction than I would with a standard black American woman (read: better odds of building rapport, more to talk about, etc), there are still serious challenges that I cannot be blinded too simply because I'm an outsider in black America and I want a "lifeline" to counter the rejection. There are no panaceas. I know that while I'm not black enough for the black women, I'm probably still too black for a lot of non-black women and (more importantly for someone considering a serious relationship with marriage, children, etc) FAR too black for many of their families. No man can afford to ignore these challenges if they want a serious relationship.

TL;DR: Find someone on a wavelength that is similar to yours that will allow you to connect. Don't assume that someone looks just like you, but don't go to the other extreme and assume that person must have some other phenotype (ex: pedestalizing white women as the all-encompassing, definitive "answer" to all problems of the non-stereotypical black male who struggles with black women). Keep an open mind.

Another option could be finding a non stereotypical black women, they are out there.

(04-12-2016 02:16 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  ^ Dude you read my mind, those UK killings were brutal to say the least.

I would never undermind the racism that has gone on in America, but don't for one second think living in the UK is some sort of paradise for the black man.
The thing about the UK it is a small island probably the size of Rhode Island, but with a population of 60 million plus. Despite the lack of guns, the violence tends to be more of a physical nature (e.g - fist fights, stabbing).

Also this notion of France ending slavery in the 1300s is foreign to me, the French have been slaughtering Africans for centuries across the diaspora.

I can assure you minorities aren't consuming jobs in Europe, if that is the case please fill me in so I can take advantage of my European passport. LOL

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolition_...y_timeline

Look for the early timeline.

Napoleon Bonaparte kinda screwed up France's somewhat decent record of things, but still...

France as an Empire fucking up Africa, Asia, etc. is not all that much different than England's record. There are problems there for sure, but on their own land, they never did what America did. That was the point I was trying to make. If you wanted to, you could say, Kai you cannot compare racism from European Empires to America, but that argument would work against your arguments as well. You could try to make the argument that America was an empire as well. It's an old one but not 100% without merit either.

My point was that minorities consuming jobs, social entitlements resources, etc. is what can cause citizens to harbor ill will towards them. Even when the numbers are small on what they consume, the fact that they are still there may anger natural citizens. It's not too much different in that regard with Mexican/Central American immigrants here.

(04-12-2016 08:24 PM)coverdoc Wrote:  

(04-12-2016 03:40 PM)Fury Wrote:  

(04-11-2016 02:40 PM)thedarkknight Wrote:  "In bed,so I will write more tomorrow.

I asked because in Stockholm,black people are viewed and treated like shit.

Now I'm in Italy,most of the black people here seem to be very poor.I do not see many here,but in Milan,99% of the security guards in shops are black.

And I notice that black people here are not liked and I begin to wonder,in Europe,is there anywhere where it is ok to be black?"

A message from my 45-year-old half brother. He went to a posh grammar school in London and messaged me an hour ago with that message-unprompted. Read into that what you will. Of course, I responded with, " What took you so long?"

(04-12-2016 02:16 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  I can assure you minorities aren't consuming jobs in Europe, if that is the case please fill me in so I can take advantage of my European passport. LOL

(Long post)

I always planned on moving to Germany and living there long term but if this trend continues, I may need an alternative country. Due to the love I get from the local women, Denmark and Finland are enticing but I'm not sure if I want to work in those countries.

I'm going to have to full heartedly disagree with you about Germany.

A lot of people have the way the world works mistaken and fail to take into account human nature and their own lack of individuality.

I spent 2.5 months out in Berlin, with about 2 weeks in Koln. I didn't experience one bit of racism and that's not to say it doesn't occur, but here are my theories on the matter:

The reason I say this is on my first escapades through Europe, I made a stop over in Oslo and was walking back from a nightclub, when this hipster blond haired Norwegian girl built like a stripper straight out of a 2chainz video walked passed me. I instantly tried to holler and she slows down almost stops, has second thoughts and kept walking. My boy and I are ready to call her racist until we turn back and see these African/Somalian refugees walk up on the girl super close and try to grab her, she scurrys off and they all laugh like shit was sport. From that moment i realized in it's entirety the concept of better safe than sorry.

A lot of dudes post shit about racist this and racist that, but some of us, as civilized black guys, fail to realize like rudeboy said, we are clumped together. That's not them being racist, that is human nature. One of my first times walking home alone in middle school, I got jumped by some dudes in red shirts (take a hint what they were about). From that moment on, every time I saw a group of dudes wearing red, i subconsciously and consciously thought my ass whipping is coming.

I say this to say most of these europeans you think are saying fucked up shit like "blacks are bad" have actually encountered blacks that aren't shit. I don't give a fuck about being P.C or anything. Point blank period,a lot of these young african refugees aren't shit and do cause trouble. When I was in Berlin, i was really vibing with this Serbian chick, she meet me near Görlitzer Park. If any of you are familiar with the area, it's straight up a shit ton of african dudes selling the shittiest weed and other drugs you can think of. She tensed up walking past them and i asked her what was up. She said on multiple occasions those same dudes have groped her and her friends and followed them for some time. I honestly asked her had she interacted with any black guys before then and she said no. These same dudes walked up on me and my girlfriend when I was trying to buy "tea" and it got to the point I gave my girl my phone and told these dudes to back up and pushed them back with my hand.

I met with my girl and her friends for karaoke in Berlin one night and she was telling me the shit they were asking her before hand like how can she date a black guy, is her family upset with her, how they don't like black guys etc etc. I met with them girls and by the end of the night my girl was getting super jealous because these girls were all over me and some of them even asked do i have brothers or friends I can introduce them to. What I did: Dress my ass off following that WIA fall style thread, was funny, cheerful and just was myself.

You guys need to stop thinking you are special and that the world shines special light on you. Yeah you're from the U.S. or U.K, yeah you have bank and surplus of intelligence and style, but guess the fuck what, the second you leave, these girls and people you met will run into the same group of black dudes that aren't worth shit, don't have money and do dumb shit that you wouldn't dream of.

If you want to go to any country fucking go. That was the best advice these vets kept giving guys like me when I first came on the forum. Think I'm lying? Go back through TravelerKai, WIA, Rudebwoy, Azulsombra, Sourcecode and Moma's post history. Each one of them at some point has told newbies like us, asking for which country is racist or like black guys to just go visit and experience it for our-self. That's the best advice you can take. If you approach a chick and she rejects you because you are black so fucking what, approach the next one and the next one, it's called game for a reason.

Unless you literally can't defend yourself and scared of your own shadow, just go. Act like you have some sense and stop thinking you are the unique black god people should bow down to.

-CD

Damn I wish I could rep you again for that fire post!

Good stuff!!!

I agree with WIA completely that it's a case of game. A lot of us won't admit (myself included) that our game needs work. America is a big place, you can find niche lizards for the personality traits you mesh with. Are you looking for lots of sex or a wifey? Ask yourselves that.

(04-13-2016 11:16 AM)Moma Wrote:  I agree with WIA completely that it's a case of game. A lot of us won't admit (myself included) that our game needs work. America is a big place, you can find niche lizards for the personality traits you mesh with. Are you looking for lots of sex or a wifey? Ask yourselves that.

America and the Western world are big places, but the collective forum experience seems to suggest that your return on investment in women is low there, relative to EE/SEA/LatAm, regardless of whether you're looking for notches or a wife.

Game is necessary everywhere, but it's not a magic bullet.

(04-13-2016 10:29 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Sounds like he needs game.

Some of these chicks, black/white/whatever are really dead set on these ludicrous ideas of what they're attracted to.

In the 80's they wanted a light skin guy. Nobody wanted a thug.

Then Wesley Snipes brought back chocolate. So they wanted that.

Then it was drug dealers. Now it's these Wiz Khalifa skinny jeans wearing super tatted up guys. In my neck of the woods even rocker white guys are getting love.

They're trendy, and they change their minds, all the time.

Game is not about fitting into some preset identity and putting yourself out there like a commodity.

You think chicks are really checking for my Rastafarian in a suit vibe? Of course not.

That's why I had to step up what I was saying to these chicks. I have to break through her preconceptions.

I bring her into my reality.

If you aren't doing that, you're not running game. You're showing up and getting lucky. You're depending on alcohol, lowered inhibitions, tight logistics, and raging hormones.

You're gambling. You're speculating.

WIA

Anyone I know or hang out with (outside the forum) that is under 27 years old, are all about the Kendrick Lamar/Wiz Khalifa/Weeknd/ASAP Rocky/Tyler the Creator/Dubstep/Skrillex, etc. etc. type stuff.

They think I am lame because I don't like any of that stuff mentioned above (except ASAP, I like him alot) and they are black, white, Latino, etc. Everyday I see black women with those fucked up haircuts on the side of their heads and blue hair.

WIA is super on point. These trends change all the time. Funny how even if I am lame for thinking their music sucks or I call it wack to their face, they still want me to come hang out with them all the time. I am ignoring lots of messages because I would rather get caught up on the forum now that I have lull time between my contracts instead. That's the difference between legit game/social dynamics and being just trendy for the sake of fitting in.

Anyone who thinks or speaks of Blacks in America as a monolithic block has a lot of living to do. We are so different on so many levels but only share the most basic common denominators; our skin color and the way we're perceived and treated. At some point, it becomes more about class when learning to differentiate among us.
Excelsior mentioned that he often feels disconnected as an outsider to "stereotypical" black culture. I feel you brother, however, I would argue that there is no such thing as a stereotypical mass black culture. Unfortunately, lower socioeconomic blacks get more airtime than the ones who live and work like any other group of Americans. As a result, people, including are own think this is what it's like to be black. Oddly, there are an onslaught of sisters that feel the same way you do, who date white guys because they have difficulty connecting with the same groups you mention. Quite frankly, you need to hit the spots a trap bitch wouldn’t be caught dead in, I.e., campus lectures, book clubs, poetry sets etc.

There are many of us who grew up in suburbs, attended great schools and are 2nd and 3rd generation post-secondary degree holders, who have never set foot in the "hood" and couldn't tell you the first thing about growing up poor. I suspect, as they get older, they'll start to see there are many, many more folks out there with similar backgrounds.


To be clear, when I ask which countries are more conducive to black men, I simply mean "not hostile,” I'm not referring to easy pussy. If you can’t get pussy in your hometown, chances are you can’t get it anywhere else. I just turned 40 and have never been outside of North America! After years of school and hard work, and now that my kids are nearly ready to go off to college, I’m finally in a position to travel and experience the world. One thing I’ve learned about GAME is that it’s a marketable skill that not everyone possess and can be used in every aspect of your life. Not just to bang chicks, but also to make friends, network, and create connections. Life is fucking short fellas. We are dying at younger and younger ages, Phife Dawg just passed away at 46! I made up my mind to get what I can before my time comes.

(04-12-2016 08:24 PM)coverdoc Wrote:  I'm going to have to full heartedly disagree with you about Germany.

A lot of people have the way the world works mistaken and fail to take into account human nature and their own lack of individuality.

I spent 2.5 months out in Berlin, with about 2 weeks in Koln. I didn't experience one bit of racism and that's not to say it doesn't occur, but here are my theories on the matter:

The reason I say this is on my first escapades through Europe, I made a stop over in Oslo and was walking back from a nightclub, when this hipster blond haired Norwegian girl built like a stripper straight out of a 2chainz video walked passed me. I instantly tried to holler and she slows down almost stops, has second thoughts and kept walking. My boy and I are ready to call her racist until we turn back and see these African/Somalian refugees walk up on the girl super close and try to grab her, she scurrys off and they all laugh like shit was sport. From that moment i realized in it's entirety the concept of better safe than sorry.

A lot of dudes post shit about racist this and racist that, but some of us, as civilized black guys, fail to realize like rudeboy said, we are clumped together. That's not them being racist, that is human nature. One of my first times walking home alone in middle school, I got jumped by some dudes in red shirts (take a hint what they were about). From that moment on, every time I saw a group of dudes wearing red, i subconsciously and consciously thought my ass whipping is coming.

I say this to say most of these europeans you think are saying fucked up shit like "blacks are bad" have actually encountered blacks that aren't shit. I don't give a fuck about being P.C or anything. Point blank period,a lot of these young african refugees aren't shit and do cause trouble. When I was in Berlin, i was really vibing with this Serbian chick, she meet me near Görlitzer Park. If any of you are familiar with the area, it's straight up a shit ton of african dudes selling the shittiest weed and other drugs you can think of. She tensed up walking past them and i asked her what was up. She said on multiple occasions those same dudes have groped her and her friends and followed them for some time. I honestly asked her had she interacted with any black guys before then and she said no. These same dudes walked up on me and my girlfriend when I was trying to buy "tea" and it got to the point I gave my girl my phone and told these dudes to back up and pushed them back with my hand.

I met with my girl and her friends for karaoke in Berlin one night and she was telling me the shit they were asking her before hand like how can she date a black guy, is her family upset with her, how they don't like black guys etc etc. I met with them girls and by the end of the night my girl was getting super jealous because these girls were all over me and some of them even asked do i have brothers or friends I can introduce them to. What I did: Dress my ass off following that WIA fall style thread, was funny, cheerful and just was myself.

You guys need to stop thinking you are special and that the world shines special light on you. Yeah you're from the U.S. or U.K, yeah you have bank and surplus of intelligence and style, but guess the fuck what, the second you leave, these girls and people you met will run into the same group of black dudes that aren't worth shit, don't have money and do dumb shit that you wouldn't dream of.

If you want to go to any country fucking go. That was the best advice these vets kept giving guys like me when I first came on the forum. Think I'm lying? Go back through TravelerKai, WIA, Rudebwoy, Azulsombra, Sourcecode and Moma's post history. Each one of them at some point has told newbies like us, asking for which country is racist or like black guys to just go visit and experience it for our-self. That's the best advice you can take. If you approach a chick and she rejects you because you are black so fucking what, approach the next one and the next one, it's called game for a reason.

Unless you literally can't defend yourself and scared of your own shadow, just go. Act like you have some sense and stop thinking you are the unique black god people should bow down to.

-CD