Post: #51

(01-26-2016 01:49 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

(01-26-2016 01:32 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

(01-26-2016 01:28 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

(01-26-2016 06:14 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  I love this place. The red pill is not just about getting laid, it is about enlightenment. For the young guys it is all about how to get laid. Good for them, go for that, I was certainly there at one time. As you age, getting laid isn't as big of a challenge or as big of a concern. What is the next achievement? What is the next battle to win in life?

This place discusses, shares and helps men find the answer to both how to get laid, and beyond. Enlightenment is different for each person, but it can be easier to reach with so many great friends to help you. And lucky for us, we can find all those friends and resources in this one great forum. And dividing the forum into different sub-sections/topics is genius and allows everyone to find what they need if they look for it

Yeah you must be right, my idea of enlightenment is more in-line with the Buddha's teachings, as opposed to the hatred and fear-mongering that the far right-wing and white nationalists believe in.

Hatred, racism, and xenophobia don't exactly fit in with my vision of enlightenment. Somehow the prevalent thinking on this forum has become in order to be "red pill", you have to believe that some races and religions are superior to others.

It's all good, all those people searching for their version of "enlightenment" can focus on anger and hatred and see how far it takes them, I'll continue to focus on positivity and love.

Link up non-banned posters here who say a race is superior. If you are going to charge people with being racists, you have to back it up.

Dude I have a brain, I'm sorry but all this I back up my arguments with facts is a load of shit. There's lots of white supremacist rhetoric constantly being spouted on this forum, I'd have more respect for guys if they just outright admitted it instead of trying to mask it with veiled pseudo-intellectual bullshit. Then again maybe some of you guys are so confused that you are in denial of it in the first place.

Anger, hatred, negativity, and xenophobia are really toxic to one's mental, spiritual, and emotional health.

Feel free to call me a libtard, SJW, or whatever buzzwords are convenient to levy at those you disagree with.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. But I have not seen anyone, that isn't banned, make racist remarks. If you come across it, let us know, it shouldn't be allowed on this forum.

Post: #52

Quote:while the alternative right wants to convince me that overthrowing our elected governments and replacing them with a fascist white dictatorship that uses race and its hatred for the Jews as its central tenet will somehow be beneficial for the progression of society.

A ridiculous strawman with no basis in reality.

Go ahead, quote a single post on this forum from a non-banned member that says any such things. Prove me wrong, you can't.

Post: #53

(01-26-2016 01:49 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  There's lots of white supremacist rhetoric constantly being spouted on this forum, I'd have more respect for guys if they just outright admitted it instead of trying to mask it with veiled pseudo-intellectual bullshit. Then again maybe some of you guys are so confused that you are in denial of it in the first place.

Let's simplify this:
|---------------|----------------|
1---------------2---------------3
1) Whites should shuffle off into a gutter somewhere.
2) Whites should have fair goes.
3) Whites should conquer the earth.

Can you see how 2 and 3 are actually pretty different?

Here's another one:
|---------------|----------------|
1---------------2---------------3
1) Men should kowtow to women.
2) Men should be treated equally.
3) Men should chain women to stoves.

Can you see how 2 and 3 are actually pretty different?

Post: #54

Quote:Dude I have a brain, I'm sorry but all this I back up my arguments with facts is a load of shit.

Facts are a load of shit. Gotcha bro!



Facts are hateful! Truth is evil!!!!

Post: #55

If this thread contributes to anything it should contribute towards creating solutions in relation to the current zeitgeist in the West.

Obviously, leftist multicultural utopias are not the answer, but then again, neither is the far/alt right, they can, at much, be a band aid.

So, what is to be done? This goes way beyond political structures and goes into social issues and how people see themselves, more than any ideology, more than the left/right, debate.

What I see is that the West is becoming aimless, we do not have a "raison d'etre" , and as Nietzsche said, men cannot fathom emptiness.

In that sense, the logical conclusion is that we need to find a new "calling". This is easier said than done.

I am a staunch capitalist as I have previously stated, however, we are becoming increasingly monetized in every process, and this can further contribute towards hollow, coddled minds.

Post: #56

(01-26-2016 01:28 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  Hatred, racism, and xenophobia don't exactly fit in with my vision of enlightenment. Somehow the prevalent thinking on this forum has become in order to be "red pill", you have to believe that some races and religions are superior to others.

It's all good, all those people searching for their version of "enlightenment" can focus on anger and hatred and see how far it takes them, I'll continue to focus on positivity and love.

1. Prevalent essentially means widespread. You think this is a common thing on the forum. That is a HUGE statement. Not to say that it exists, but essentially to say that it's the normal or at least very common. When you make such strong statements people like to hear why you think that.

2. You say that you'll continue to focus on positivity and love, yet this is your statement. How do you equate the two?

(01-26-2016 01:28 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  Dude I have a brain, I'm sorry but all this I back up my arguments with facts is a load of shit. There's lots of white supremacist rhetoric constantly being spouted on this forum, I'd have more respect for guys if they just outright admitted it instead of trying to mask it with veiled pseudo-intellectual bullshit. Then again maybe some of you guys are so confused that you are in denial of it in the first place.

Anger, hatred, negativity, and xenophobia are really toxic to one's mental, spiritual, and emotional health.

Feel free to call me a libtard, SJW, or whatever buzzwords are convenient to levy at those you disagree with.

Note that you assume that someone is going to call you names, when this was the response that triggered your vitriol:

(01-26-2016 01:32 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  Link up non-banned posters here who say a race is superior. If you are going to charge people with being racists, you have to back it up.

There's zero disrespect in the above statement, just a statement with no animosity.

If you don't want to back up your statement, that's fine, but purporting to be focused on love and positivity and then going on a diatribe about how you have a brain (implying that others don't) is not congruent. Just say that you don't want to back up your statement with examples. It's hard to have respect for someone acting so hypocritical and more emotional than rational. I have zero idea what race you are by the way (and you mine), lest you criticize me as a racist.

Post: #57

Post: #58

(01-26-2016 01:03 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  The new digital iteration of the KKK, also known as the Alt-Right, is a group that spends most of its energy lambasting Jews, Blacks, and non-pure whites/mixed race peoples and now Muslims, has created a huge divide between its followers, the quiet sympathizers, and everyone else.

You're forgetting their #1 target: other whites who aren't 100% on board with them.

My recent video "The Mentality of the Cuckold" was an indirect attack on them (indirect for three reasons; first, because I don't want to assign evil motives to an entire group when many within it may just be misguided; two, because our enemy is not a 'them' but a mentality - the label doesn't matter, it's the behaviour - blue pill, cuckold, r-type, whatever you want to call it; three, because a major symptom of their mentality is signalling for signalling's sake, and I didn't want to get involved in a pissing contest).

Just as these groups primarily attack their own, Tommy Sotomayor (a Black YouTuber who promotes a positive form of ethno-nationalism - essentially arguing for Blacks step up their game, and stop sucking off of the White Liberal teat) has received unending abuse from other Blacks for not engaging in the same supremism as Black Lives Matter.

These populist movements sink down to the lowest common denominator, rather than insisting that their members step up their game. Ergo, their greatest enemies are others within their own groups who show excellence. Their primary motivation is envy - not prudent caution of a future that's looking increasingly dangerous, or rational fear of the higher crime rates amongst other ethnic groups - but envy. So they make asses out of themselves by screaming "Nigger, Kike!" but their primary target is always going to be those within their own camps who don't believe in the forced-redistribution of pussy.

What's truly frustrating about this is that they are technically correct on many issues, and because their voices are the loudest they become the flag bearers. So if you try and talk about Israeli hypocrisy you'll be labelled as part of the neo-KKK, while at the same time receiving incessant attacks from the neo-KKK for not concluding "We need to nuke Israel! 1488!"

They are vicious and nasty little rabbits; as many others have pointed out here, masculinity - K-type behaviour - is having STANDARDS. Agreed upon rules that allow fair competition between everybody. On the one hand, this does mean establishing borders around a country and recognizing that cultures are different; on the other, this means being willing to punish people within your own group when they step out of line, and not just blindly supporting your side because it's your side.

Long story short this is why I'll stand beside a Liberal like Tuthmosis before I would a Conservative like Jeb Bush; this is why I'll stand beside any decent, honourable man of any race, before siding with a white like John Macintosh. Ultimately I'll even have more respect for an enemy soldier than the treacherous media scum back home.

Loyalty to one's group is good, but only when tempered with standards of behaviour. Not blind loyalty, not supremacism. I certainly look forward to his return, because although the Democrat party is terrible, there are several Liberal stances that should be argued less we fall into group think.

Post: #59

I'll tell you one thing though: the growth the actual racist right, like the mpcdot forums, is because of condescending arrogant attitudes displayed from guys like OGNorCal. Their attitude is so toxic it can't help but make average people hate the left.

Post: #60

(01-26-2016 02:15 PM)Aurini Wrote:  

(01-26-2016 01:03 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  The new digital iteration of the KKK, also known as the Alt-Right, is a group that spends most of its energy lambasting Jews, Blacks, and non-pure whites/mixed race peoples and now Muslims, has created a huge divide between its followers, the quiet sympathizers, and everyone else.

You're forgetting their #1 target: other whites who aren't 100% on board with them.

My recent video "The Mentality of the Cuckold" was an indirect attack on them (indirect for three reasons; first, because I don't want to assign evil motives to an entire group when many within it may just be misguided; two, because our enemy is not a 'them' but a mentality - the label doesn't matter, it's the behaviour - blue pill, cuckold, r-type, whatever you want to call it; three, because a major symptom of their mentality is signalling for signalling's sake, and I didn't want to get involved in a pissing contest).

Just as these groups primarily attack their own, Tommy Sotomayor (a Black YouTuber who promotes a positive form of ethno-nationalism - essentially arguing for Blacks step up their game, and stop sucking off of the White Liberal teat) has received unending abuse from other Blacks for not engaging in the same supremism as Black Lives Matter.

These populist movements sink down to the lowest common denominator, rather than insisting that their members step up their game. Ergo, their greatest enemies are others within their own groups who show excellence. Their primary motivation is envy - not prudent caution of a future that's looking increasingly dangerous, or rational fear of the higher crime rates amongst other ethnic groups - but envy. So they make asses out of themselves by screaming "Nigger, Kike!" but their primary target is always going to be those within their own camps who don't believe in the forced-redistribution of pussy.

What's truly frustrating about this is that they are technically correct on many issues, and because their voices are the loudest they become the flag bearers. So if you try and talk about Israeli hypocrisy you'll be labelled as part of the neo-KKK, while at the same time receiving incessant attacks from the neo-KKK for not concluding "We need to nuke Israel! 1488!"

They are vicious and nasty little rabbits; as many others have pointed out here, masculinity - K-type behaviour - is having STANDARDS. Agreed upon rules that allow fair competition between everybody. On the one hand, this does mean establishing borders around a country and recognizing that cultures are different; on the other, this means being willing to punish people within your own group when they step out of line, and not just blindly supporting your side because it's your side.

Long story short this is why I'll stand beside a Liberal like Tuthmosis before I would a Conservative like Jeb Bush; this is why I'll stand beside any decent, honourable man of any race, before siding with a white like John Macintosh. Ultimately I'll even have more respect for an enemy soldier than the treacherous media scum back home.

Loyalty to one's group is good, but only when tempered with standards of behaviour. Not blind loyalty, not supremacism. I certainly look forward to his return, because although the Democrat party is terrible, there are several Liberal stances that should be argued less we fall into group think.

Great fucking post!

The whole thing reminds of this Julius Ceasar act:

Quote:CINNA THE POET
Truly, my name is Cinna.
FIRST PLEBIAN
Tear him to pieces! He's a conspirator.
CINNA THE POET
I am Cinna the poet, I am Cinna the poet!
FOURTH PLEBIAN
Tear him for his bad verses, tear him for his bad verses!
CINNA THE POET
I am not Cinna the conspirator.
FOURTH PLEBIAN
It is no matter. His name's Cinna.
Pluck but his name out of his heart, and turn him
going. (3.3.28-36)

Mobs lose rationality. The leftist mobs or the rightist mobs, mobs nevertheless.

Imagine you were standing blindfolded in front of a death-squad, in 1943 Soviet Russia, near the eastern front. Does it matter if the man on the other end of the barrel is a Nazi SS Trooper, or a Soviet enforcer purging society of 'anti revolutionaries'.

Makes no difference.

Post: #61

In the Russian Syrian conflict thread you have people calling Turkish people scum and wishing for us to be nuclear bombed and wiped off the map. Posts are still up. Very off-putting especially as I'm Turkish.

Post: #62

(01-26-2016 02:32 PM)BambiNotForLong Wrote:  In the Russian Syrian conflict thread you have people calling Turkish people scum and wishing for us to be nuclear bombed and wiped off the map. Posts are still up. Very off-putting especially as I'm Turkish.

When 6,000,000 of your countrymen are self admitted ISIS sympathizers, and 15,000,000 "don't know" if they are, and an entire football stadium cheers during a moment of silence for the innocent civilians slaughtered in Paris, you're not going to get a very good reputation.

So instead of complaining about people here not having a favorable opinion of Turks, you should be more upset at your millions of countrymen who are making those opinions very prevalent.

EDIT: To add to this, I've spent quite a lot of time with a friend from Turkey. I never had any negative opinion of Turkish people at all. Never had a bad experience with them. But I'd be lying if the facts I mentioned above haven't changed my opinion of the country as a whole. It does not mean that I think all Turkish people are scum and should be wiped off the face of the map, but I do realize a very large chunk of Turks are not the same as my friend and I'd be ignoring the facts at hand if I didn't realize that. Something some people here seem to want Americans to do on many issues, ignore the facts.

Post: #63

Post: #64

This thread:

Post: #65

I think it's just their way of trying to bring Tuthmosis back by starting an off-topic race argument.
They know he'll be reading the thread and he'll come back to ban them.

Post: #66

(01-26-2016 03:54 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  This thread:

That's a scene from the Nicholas Cage film "Knowing". I really liked that movie, but boy did it make a lot of film reviewers melt down. It had an Ancient Aliens angle that tied in slightly with the Bible, but in a way that totally discredits the standard Bible message of God and Jesus.
The SJW film reviewers felt that it was a religious story due to the faint connection with the bible (even though it totally rewrites the Bible narrative), and were absolutely frothing in print in their reviews. Hillarious!

Post: #67

No it's not. That's dash cam footage of a real plane crash a few years back. I can't remember the details but I think it was an American military aircraft that malfunctioned somewhere in the Middle East. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Post: #68

(01-26-2016 04:35 PM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:  

(01-26-2016 03:54 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  This thread:

That's a scene from the Nicholas Cage film "Knowing". I really liked that movie, but boy did it make a lot of film reviewers melt down. It had an Ancient Aliens angle that tied in slightly with the Bible, but in a way that totally discredits the standard Bible message of God and Jesus.
The SJW film reviewers felt that it was a religious story due to the faint connection with the bible (even though it totally rewrites the Bible narrative), and were absolutely frothing in print in their reviews. Hillarious!

Post: #69

(01-26-2016 04:47 PM)crudeloyalist Wrote:  No it's not. That's dash cam footage of a real plane crash a few years back. I can't remember the details but I think it was an American military aircraft that malfunctioned somewhere in the Middle East. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_A...Flight_102

Post: #70

(01-25-2016 09:00 PM)Direct or subtle Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 07:12 PM)Sumanguru Wrote:  While we're reflecting on all that Tut contributed to both the forum and the general manosphere, let's remember his own words.

I think there are few things we should AVOID, if we want to maximize our impact and continue to provide a community for men:

1) Association with one single issue (so-called "men's rights") or misclassification (PUAs or MRAs).

2) Too close association with a single political direction, since the community is largely pan-political. I don't think it benefits us to be labeled as (strictly) "conservative," "libertarian," or even "progressive."

But if you never take or follow a "close association with a single political direction", then can you ever make a difference? IMHO, if you're not doing, one way or another, serious, committed politics, then you're not impacting society, you're just having fun for your own daily pleasure (which is fine, I'm not saying it's not, but life is about more than that).

Men should have strong principles, and this alone, unavoidably, will lead to a man choosing his (political) side and fighting for it, don't you think?

Also, if someone (anyone, not Tuthmosis specifically, I almost never saw posts from him so can't know him well) quits a forum because he doesn't like the discussions developped in this forum.. : it reminds me of so-called liberal people on twitter, who always block you when you start pointing their errors and contradictions : they refuse the battle and just leave. I much prefer adversaries who accept to debate with you, but it is increasingly rare.. because we Conservatives always have the good, truthful data and arguments, so Liberals just can't stand a debate or fight with us.. they just go silent or leave.. Cause the truth (almost always in Conservatives' camp) can't be stumped or disproved!

I stopped responding because I figured I would get banned if I responded to the alt-right sentiments on the forum in kind.

(01-26-2016 02:18 PM)Samseau Wrote:  I'll tell you one thing though: the growth the actual racist right, like the mpcdot forums, is because of condescending arrogant attitudes displayed from guys like OGNorCal. Their attitude is so toxic it can't help but make average people hate the left.

People are turning racist because they met a condescending arrogant leftist? I'm pretty sure there was some predilection for hatred somewhere in there that is more to blame.

This new right-wing movement has re-framed racism as logic. I.E. Since 8% of Turks have a favorable view of Isis -> Turkish are scum. There is a logic to that. However using 8% of a population to then claim things about the whole population tends to come off racist to those that disagree. Then the calls of racism are called "irrational" by the alt-right because they feel people who disagree with them are 'ignoring the numbers'.

Like Aurini mentioned, the frustration is that they are often technically right on specific things and troubling facts, but then come to racially charged conclusions.

Post: #71

(01-26-2016 04:16 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  I think it's just their way of trying to bring Tuthmosis back by starting an off-topic race argument.
They know he'll be reading the thread and he'll come back to ban them.

Post: #72

(01-26-2016 02:47 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(01-26-2016 02:32 PM)BambiNotForLong Wrote:  In the Russian Syrian conflict thread you have people calling Turkish people scum and wishing for us to be nuclear bombed and wiped off the map. Posts are still up. Very off-putting especially as I'm Turkish.

When 6,000,000 of your countrymen are self admitted ISIS sympathizers, and 15,000,000 "don't know" if they are, and an entire football stadium cheers during a moment of silence for the innocent civilians slaughtered in Paris, you're not going to get a very good reputation.

So instead of complaining about people here not having a favorable opinion of Turks, you should be more upset at your millions of countrymen who are making those opinions very prevalent.

EDIT: To add to this, I've spent quite a lot of time with a friend from Turkey. I never had any negative opinion of Turkish people at all. Never had a bad experience with them. But I'd be lying if the facts I mentioned above haven't changed my opinion of the country as a whole. It does not mean that I think all Turkish people are scum and should be wiped off the face of the map, but I do realize a very large chunk of Turks are not the same as my friend and I'd be ignoring the facts at hand if I didn't realize that. Something some people here seem to want Americans to do on many issues, ignore the facts.

The Turks in that stadium booed because before the paris attacks there was an attack in In Turkey I can't remember but i think it was a few weeks prior. Guess what? Not a single word from wester media about the attacks. No one posted stupid hashtags on Twitter. No one lit up buildings. No one said anything. So i would of booed such hypocrisy as well if i were a turk.

Post: #73

(01-26-2016 05:19 PM)Sir Vigorous Wrote:  This new right-wing movement has re-framed racism as logic. I.E. Since 8% of Turks have a favorable view of Isis -> Turkish are scum. There is a logic to that. However using 8% of a population to then claim things about the whole population tends to come off racist to those that disagree.

It's more simple than that: since Turkey's government and military are actively helping ISIS, Turkey is run by scum.


Or maybe only 5% of the migrants coming into Europe are members of ISIS, 5% of 2,000.000 is 100,000. 100,000 people is a huge number of terrorists. It would be a good idea for Europe to stop taking in more migrants, even though only 5% of them are affiliated with ISIS.

Post: #74

Reading some old threads on here, this forum could probably in the past be characterized as afro-centric, I found discussions with high rep members and moderator lambasting white posters about their white priviledge and worse. I'll be happy to link it up? A known high rep member had an article about interracial dating with 8+ images only of black men with white women, again quite clearly afro-centrist extremist. I don't care one bit interracial dating for the record, since I do so myself and denying others the same would be hypocritical.

Overall I say, don't dish it out if you can't take it back. Quite a few don't seem to realize how they're coming across. Go back and read threads some years back, it's full of anti-white trolling.

Post: #75

I think one of the draws of this forum is because of it's nature a lot of ideas that get suppressed in the mainstream have a home to be discussed here. Feminism is a big example of this but it's expanded to areas such as race. This tends to draw a lot of people who have ideas that are taboos in most of society. The moderation has done a good job of keeping things mostly in line though. If you want to express an unpopular opinion then go ahead but you better do it articulately and at least try to provide some sound reasoning. If you wanna see what the forum could turn into with good moderation, then take a look at the comments section of Return of Kings.