Post: #76

This thread and this forum are a lot like trying to stumble around at night to go to the bathroom.

You make a slight error, over correct, under correct, stub your toe on the door.

But eventually you make it to the toilet.

To achieve the enlightenment we all seek, sometimes journeys down difficult roads have to be traveled. These hard hitting topics and subjects are just that.

What I find truly surprising is after 50 odd years of white culture rolling over to the demands of everyone else, the second white people start taking pride in themselves, their culture, and their heritage other ethnicities and cultures who have been doing exactly the same are terrified.

Post: #77

(01-26-2016 04:47 PM)crudeloyalist Wrote:  No it's not. That's dash cam footage of a real plane crash a few years back. I can't remember the details but I think it was an American military aircraft that malfunctioned somewhere in the Middle East. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

You're right. Here's what I was thinking of. Starts around 1:10. Obviously inspired by the real video.

Post: #78

(01-26-2016 06:47 PM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:  You're right. Here's what I was thinking of. Starts around 1:10. Obviously inspired by the real video.

The movie Knowing was made in 2009 the actual Airliner that crashed was in 2013.

Post: #79

(01-26-2016 06:50 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(01-26-2016 06:47 PM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:  You're right. Here's what I was thinking of. Starts around 1:10. Obviously inspired by the real video.

The movie Knowing was made in 2009 the actual Airliner that crashed was in 2013.

Post: #80

The problem with the alt right is that it's a huge umbrella, so that term is losing meaning as the months go on. Some alt righters are genuine nazi sympathizers who want to deport all non-whites while others are more moderate in that they want to halt immigration and white marginalization. Unfortunately, the most extreme part of a movement will tend to drown out the moderates, so while I share a lot of beliefs with alt right moderates, the 1488 mob has sent me hundreds of tweets in the past month distorting my work, calling me a sand nigger and kebab, among other names, and linking to petitions that SJW's created to hurt my book sales. So logically I'm going to begin distancing myself from any movement that allows these types of people to have a huge voice. If the moderates or leaders can't control the mob then it's no longer a movement but a circus. In that case, get your entertainment while it lasts until the show is over.

Post: #81

(01-26-2016 07:09 PM)Roosh Wrote:  If the moderates or leaders can't control the mob then it's no longer a movement but a circus. In that case, get your entertainment while it lasts until the show is over.

Who are the leaders of the alt-right? You're probably one of the most popular leaders on the alt-right there is.

There needs to be a label for the racist right that separates it from the moderate right. But the problem with the word "racist" is that the left use the term so liberally it has lost virtually all meaning. So racist right isn't a good label. Ultimately, the left is to blame for the resurgence of White Nationalism in America. Word inflation has caused the word racist to hyperinflate to the point where it becomes useless.

White Nationalists, or White Supremacists are about as good of a smear of a label as it gets. But many guys still see being a WN as "edgy" and cool. Ultimately there is a media war to be won on this front, and the best thing we can hope for is the WN's to overplay their hand and look like scum. But even if that does not happen, there needs to be a new label for people to organize around just in case.

I think also the problem is with labels in general. Labels are too easily abused. "PUA," "Manosphere," "Alt-Right," "Dark Enlightenment," etc. are dorky labels. I wish there could be a "no-label" movement.

Post: #82

(01-26-2016 01:49 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  Dude I have a brain, I'm sorry but all this I back up my arguments with facts is a load of shit. There's lots of white supremacist rhetoric constantly being spouted on this forum, I'd have more respect for guys if they just outright admitted it instead of trying to mask it with veiled pseudo-intellectual bullshit. Then again maybe some of you guys are so confused that you are in denial of it in the first place.

OGNorCal ... if you are genuinely interested in these political discussions like I am, have you considered placing the perpetrators on your ignore list? I got two white supremacists and this cantankerous African Muslim on mine.

It's an excellent tool that lets you partake in the discussion without having their negative energy sip into your daily life or wasting your time replying to whatever drivel they churn out.

Edit: I have no problem with any sort of ideology. People are entitled to their opinions and as long as said opinions don't break forum rules and devolve into straight out insults and disrespect. The Syrian War subreddit for example, allows self-proclaimed ISIS members to post as long as they obey the rules and don't use their presence for recruitment or fund raising. Often times, I find myself learning more from these type of guys than i would from someone who shares my beliefs. This is the last place on the internet where censorship should be implemented.

But there are instances like when Matt Forney tweets deliberately provocative stuff like " We don't need gun control, we need Black control" and " My taxes are paying for your KFC wings" where we need to draw the line.

Post: #83

(01-26-2016 06:13 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  What I find truly surprising is after 50 odd years of white culture rolling over to the demands of everyone else, the second white people start taking pride in themselves, their culture, and their heritage other ethnicities and cultures who have been doing exactly the same are terrified.

No one has a problem with white people taking pride in themselves or their culture, with the exception of the shrilling water mammoths who we all despise. I speak as someone on the slightly more left-leaning end of the "divide". I am firmly opposed to the European Union's ridiculous policies regarding migrants, and their handling of cases like the Cologne attacks and the Rotherham scandal has been abominable, to say the least. They are indicative of cultural weakness and degeneracy. Earlier in the thread, Samseau stated that members on the other end of the "divide" probably don't oppose Muslims gangraping children; we absolutely do, and to claim that we don't is fallacious. Samseau also later stated that the members of the RVF are more politically uniform than some believe, and I would actually agree with this statement, since we were all drawn to this site for essentially the same reasons. We wanted to improve ourselves as men and make sense of the western world's bizarre sexual dynamics; we are all, I would imagine, fairly similar people. And together, every member of the RVF has contributed towards making this site a veritable library of information on literally every facet of man's existence.

What I take issue with is simple racism, and the fact that some members of the site seem unable to admit that this is a problem on this forum. Samseau, I respect you as a senior member, and I respect your contributions to the forum, but my main points of contention can be illustrated by some of your posts. In this thread(/thread-6908-...id109007), and in these pages especially, you displayed many of the traits I take issue with in the current RVF.

Quote:Quote:
Once the whites decide enough is enough.. even if it takes 200 years... then the minorities will be mostly excluded from white culture as civilaztion rebuilds.

Everyone: Note the tacit implication here that minorities and civilization are, by definition, mutually exclusive.

Translation: "Whites will wake up eventually (even if it takes 200 years) and put those minorities back in their place. Once those minorities are where they belong, white culture will finally exclude them and rebuild civilization (which the minorities, of course, destroyed in the absence of whites because that is all they've capable of doing, its just what they do)."

Bottomline: Whites are the be-all and end-all of civilization. Minorities are inherently enemies of civilization. White is right...right??

Excelsior put this better than I possibly could, and the fact that you failed to respond to this post is telling. Another example from this thread(/thread-50253...d1197980):

Quote:If it were just an army of brown/black invaders, you're right they wouldn't be a huge threat.

But this is an infantry army of browns/blacks organized by intelligent Whites. This is extremely dangerous and possibly more so than a pure White army, because they will have the advantage of endless cannon fodder from Africa and the Middle East.

I strongly suspect the reason ISIS is doing so well is because the top brass is full of White defectors of Western Civilization. I believe this Red Pill comic sums up how ISIS was created:

You have intelligent men leading around the less intelligent brutish men, which is a very powerful combination.

To which Anabasis to Desta replied:

Quote:Starting to sound a bit Stormfront-ish here. But I guess we all have our moments. That comic was made by some bitter half-caste nerd who uses his own tears to jerk off to anime porn and should not be taken seriously.

To think it's some influx of white veterans whose wives were getting gangbanged while they were deployed that is making ISIS so powerful is a ludicrous theory not worthy of a man like yourself.

The views Samseau has espoused, which generally draw tons of adulation from like-minded posters, are racist. Not in the bullshit liberal "white privilege" sense; they are views that I have seen displayed in places like Stormfront, and I believe that they are harmful to the integrity of the forum. We can oppose things like the migrant crisis, forced multiculturalism, and feminism without encouraging views like this. Personally, I think the proliferation of such views will turn off lots of people who could either benefit significantly from the RVF or make great contributions. This site should be a place for men of every background to enlighten themselves, not a breeding ground for pseudo-racism that can only defend itself by saying "oh, at least we're not as bad as those 4chan neckbeards on mcpost.com"[/quote]

Post: #84

The term "alt-right" is really an umbrella term more than a doctrinal set of beliefs.

On the one hand you seem to have, I admit in increasing numbers, the 1488 crowd. I would guess that the vast majority of those people are keyboard warriors. A few humorous comments in the recent ROK article will confirm that for you. These people are not going to go anywhere, just as they never have. I guarantee it.

On the other hand you have people that espouse a more nuanced, cultural nationalism that at once fits the time, is not overly authoritarian, and serves as an antidote to the past 50 years of cultural decay all the same. It's not afraid to talk about race, and recognizes that some cultures are inferior to others, but isn't individually discriminatory. These are more the people like Trump, Le Pen, Orban, etc. who want to reverse leftist degeneracy, stop mass immigration, and orient an economy towards national interests rather than ivory tower neoliberal theories that only benefit the plutocrat-political class that have no attachments to nation anymore. This is where most men here fall, I think. It's also most of the people that take to the streets, like PEGIDA, and maybe American Renaissance, (at least from what I've observed, they fall into this category).

At any rate, a new rightist political philosophy to codify some of these beliefs is something I've been thinking about.

Guys like ramzpaul get it. When he made a video a few weeks ago talking about how "Hitler was dead, let him rest in peace" he essentially told the 1488 crowd that they wouldn't get anywhere. They threw a fit. Same thing with the recent Roosh video.

At any rate, I do hope Tuth comes back soon. His brand of left wing politics is certainly part of rational discourse in a sane society, even an "alt-right" one as mentioned in the second camp. Don't want to put labels on him but he seems more of an old school New Deal type liberal, which was basically rendered irrelevant by the realignment of left wing politics to postmodern Cultural Marxism in the late 60's.

Post: #85

(01-26-2016 08:35 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(01-26-2016 07:09 PM)Roosh Wrote:  If the moderates or leaders can't control the mob then it's no longer a movement but a circus. In that case, get your entertainment while it lasts until the show is over.

Who are the leaders of the alt-right? You're probably one of the most popular leaders on the alt-right there is.

There needs to be a label for the racist right that separates it from the moderate right. But the problem with the word "racist" is that the left use the term so liberally it has lost virtually all meaning. So racist right isn't a good label. Ultimately, the left is to blame for the resurgence of White Nationalism in America. Word inflation has caused the word racist to hyperinflate to the point where it becomes useless.

White Nationalists, or White Supremacists are about as good of a smear of a label as it gets. But many guys still see being a WN as "edgy" and cool. Ultimately there is a media war to be won on this front, and the best thing we can hope for is the WN's to overplay their hand and look like scum. But even if that does not happen, there needs to be a new label for people to organize around just in case.

I think also the problem is with labels in general. Labels are too easily abused. "PUA," "Manosphere," "Alt-Right," "Dark Enlightenment," etc. are dorky labels. I wish there could be a "no-label" movement.

Why do we need a label at all? Why can't we simply be men who discuss issues in a rational manner?

My problem with labels is that once you've subscribed to a particular group, you're "locked in," so to speak. The second you change your mind on a particular issue members within that group view you as a "traitor" or not a true "[insert label]-er." I'm part of a libertarian Facebook group and I see this happen all the time. Misesians says Rothbardians aren't "true" libertarians and Rothbardians say Misesians aren't true libertarians and on an on; this eventually leads to a ideological divide within said group.

Post: #86

(01-26-2016 05:46 PM)zigZag Wrote:  The Turks in that stadium booed because before the paris attacks there was an attack in In Turkey I can't remember but i think it was a few weeks prior. Guess what? Not a single word from wester media about the attacks. No one posted stupid hashtags on Twitter. No one lit up buildings. No one said anything. So i would of booed such hypocrisy as well if i were a turk.

Not a single word in western media?

You do know that isn't true, right?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/10/world/turk...t-matters/
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oc...-in-ankara
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/12/europe/tur...explosion/
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35290760

There, I just did 2 seconds of research for you.

Either way you slice it, it was a shitty and classless thing to do. If I were French, I'd have nothing nice to say about Turkey.

As far as the real reason the fans booed, neither you nor I know. Reading some liberal articles and tweets saying it wasn't what it appears doesn't give either of us the truth. All I know is booing during the moment of silence was a garbage thing to do, and no liberal spin on it makes it any better. Total trash.

Post: #87

Tuthmosis,

Come back, player. She don't love you like we love you.

Post: #88

Even though there may be a lot of differences of viewpoint on things here, we have to keep the big picture in mind, which is that we have more in common than we do differences.

Sure, you're always going to see avatars that irritate you. You're always going to think that this guy or that guy is way too "over the top."

That's fine.

I try to look on it as entertainment. If you see someone as spouting "over the top" nonsense, just imagine it as court jester, from the days of old.

Whenever you get a group of guys together, there is always going to be a bit of a dynamic where guys want to see who can be the most outrageous.

It's like some sort of pissing contest, or whatever. Or like the 1980s video arcade game, "Battlezone."





I actually have started to enjoy crazy, over-the-top posts. Usually.

Just relax and have fun...don't get bent out of shape over some nonsense somebody said about Donald Trump or whether some refugee is going to grab your sister's ass.

Life's too short, guys. Nobody is out to get anyone here.

We're all going to be a bunch of Fonzies.

That is, cool.

Post: #89

(01-26-2016 09:03 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(01-26-2016 05:46 PM)zigZag Wrote:  The Turks in that stadium booed because before the paris attacks there was an attack in In Turkey I can't remember but i think it was a few weeks prior. Guess what? Not a single word from wester media about the attacks. No one posted stupid hashtags on Twitter. No one lit up buildings. No one said anything. So i would of booed such hypocrisy as well if i were a turk.

Not a single word in western media?

You do know that isn't true, right?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/10/world/turk...t-matters/
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oc...-in-ankara
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/12/europe/tur...explosion/
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35290760

There, I just did 2 seconds of research for you.

Either way you slice it, it was a shitty and classless thing to do. If I were French, I'd have nothing nice to say about Turkey.

As far as the real reason the fans booed, neither you nor I know. Reading some liberal articles and tweets saying it wasn't what it appears doesn't give either of us the truth. All I know is booing during the moment of silence was a garbage thing to do, and no liberal spin on it makes it any better. Total trash.

In comparison... CNN actually had an ENTIRE special devoted to the paris attacks.
http://www.cnn.com/specials/paris-terror-attacks

That's really my point. Sure they were an article here and there about the Attacks in turkey, however when it's a western country that gets attacked. Its expected that the ENTIRE world should be stopped to mourn. You pointed out a couple attacks thats great. However, where were the buildings getting colored with a turkish flag? Where was the constant TV coverage and analysis of the attacks.

Thats really my point here. Turkey gets attacked and there isn't the constant TV coverage you would get. Paris gets attacked a few weeks later and literally the whole world should stop.

I don't disagree with you that booing is a shitty thing to do. I do however understand where their anger came from.

Post: #90

(01-26-2016 10:01 PM)zigZag Wrote:  

(01-26-2016 09:03 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(01-26-2016 05:46 PM)zigZag Wrote:  The Turks in that stadium booed because before the paris attacks there was an attack in In Turkey I can't remember but i think it was a few weeks prior. Guess what? Not a single word from wester media about the attacks. No one posted stupid hashtags on Twitter. No one lit up buildings. No one said anything. So i would of booed such hypocrisy as well if i were a turk.

Not a single word in western media?

You do know that isn't true, right?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/10/world/turk...t-matters/
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oc...-in-ankara
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/12/europe/tur...explosion/
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35290760

There, I just did 2 seconds of research for you.

Either way you slice it, it was a shitty and classless thing to do. If I were French, I'd have nothing nice to say about Turkey.

As far as the real reason the fans booed, neither you nor I know. Reading some liberal articles and tweets saying it wasn't what it appears doesn't give either of us the truth. All I know is booing during the moment of silence was a garbage thing to do, and no liberal spin on it makes it any better. Total trash.

In comparison... CNN actually had an ENTIRE special devoted to the paris attacks.
http://www.cnn.com/specials/paris-terror-attacks

That's really my point. Sure they were an article here and there about the Attacks in turkey, however when it's a western country that gets attacked. Its expected that the ENTIRE world should be stopped to mourn. You pointed out a couple attacks thats great. However, where were the buildings getting colored with a turkish flag? Where was the constant TV coverage and analysis of the attacks.

Thats really my point here. Turkey gets attacked and there isn't the constant TV coverage you would get. Paris gets attacked a few weeks later and literally the whole world should stop.

I don't disagree with you that booing is a shitty thing to do. I do however understand where their anger came from.

The difference between Paris and Ankara is huge though. Paris is a very well known tourist destination worldwide of course it will get more press.

Let's face it Turkey also harbors and trains terrorist cells through the government and its various intel arms.

You'll have to forgive some of us for not shedding too many tears about terrorist pet projects blowing up in the face of the Turkish government.

Post: #91

(01-26-2016 07:09 PM)Roosh Wrote:  The problem with the alt right is that it's a huge umbrella, so that term is losing meaning as the months go on. Some alt righters are genuine nazi sympathizers who want to deport all non-whites while others are more moderate in that they want to halt immigration and white marginalization. Unfortunately, the most extreme part of a movement will tend to drown out the moderates, so while I share a lot of beliefs with alt right moderates, the 1488 mob has sent me hundreds of tweets in the past month distorting my work, calling me a sand nigger and kebab, among other names, and linking to petitions that SJW's created to hurt my book sales. So logically I'm going to begin distancing myself from any movement that allows these types of people to have a huge voice. If the moderates or leaders can't control the mob then it's no longer a movement but a circus. In that case, get your entertainment while it lasts until the show is over.

I can't really speak about the American alt-right, but I can comprehensively describe the French alt-right, and believe me, the "1488 mob" is totally a thing of the past (in Europe, and I guess also in the US)..

You can still get insulted on line by some 1488 people, but they don't exist or manifest IRL anymore, they are old-timers, just a handful of them survive, old people and aparted from all current politic organizations . You shouldn't worry about them : all young alt-right people have no interest at all in Adolf H 1488 stuff!

Also, it's been like 10 years since I last heard a racial insult like "sand nigger" -or its French equivalent- hurled at someone from the middle-East or far-East (Libanese or Iranian for example), in France. A Libanese or Syrian or Iranian is considered white (unless he gets crazy and engages in jihadism, in which case no sane community wants to recognize him, logically)

So once again, the new generation of alt-right in France has no hard-feeling at all against "middle-Eastern" white people (providing of course they are not active islamists, fanaticalism being a very different story)..

actually you find quite a number of Libanese, or "semitic" (Jewish) people in French alt-right, like one of its leaders, Serge Ayoub..

a last thing : I don't know about the USA, but in France and Europe everybody knows that Iran (from which hails your family if I'm not mistaking), is an old and prestigious civilization, with probably the oldest civilization ever developed on earth --the Medes--, so, nobody (who's been to school) would insult an Iranian' family civilization..

Anyway that was to say that nobody should really be concerned about the 1488 mob, at least in Europe : they are totally a non-relevant, small crew . Nobody should be put off by them cause they are few, old and dying...

Post: #92

(01-26-2016 10:08 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

(01-26-2016 10:01 PM)zigZag Wrote:  

(01-26-2016 09:03 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(01-26-2016 05:46 PM)zigZag Wrote:  The Turks in that stadium booed because before the paris attacks there was an attack in In Turkey I can't remember but i think it was a few weeks prior. Guess what? Not a single word from wester media about the attacks. No one posted stupid hashtags on Twitter. No one lit up buildings. No one said anything. So i would of booed such hypocrisy as well if i were a turk.

Not a single word in western media?

You do know that isn't true, right?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/10/world/turk...t-matters/
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oc...-in-ankara
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/12/europe/tur...explosion/
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35290760

There, I just did 2 seconds of research for you.

Either way you slice it, it was a shitty and classless thing to do. If I were French, I'd have nothing nice to say about Turkey.

As far as the real reason the fans booed, neither you nor I know. Reading some liberal articles and tweets saying it wasn't what it appears doesn't give either of us the truth. All I know is booing during the moment of silence was a garbage thing to do, and no liberal spin on it makes it any better. Total trash.

In comparison... CNN actually had an ENTIRE special devoted to the paris attacks.
http://www.cnn.com/specials/paris-terror-attacks

That's really my point. Sure they were an article here and there about the Attacks in turkey, however when it's a western country that gets attacked. Its expected that the ENTIRE world should be stopped to mourn. You pointed out a couple attacks thats great. However, where were the buildings getting colored with a turkish flag? Where was the constant TV coverage and analysis of the attacks.

Thats really my point here. Turkey gets attacked and there isn't the constant TV coverage you would get. Paris gets attacked a few weeks later and literally the whole world should stop.

I don't disagree with you that booing is a shitty thing to do. I do however understand where their anger came from.

The difference between Paris and Ankara is huge though. Paris is a very well known tourist destination worldwide of course it will get more press.

Let's face it Turkey also harbors and trains terrorist cells through the government and its various intel arms.

You'll have to forgive some of us for not shedding too many tears about terrorist pet projects blowing up in the face of the Turkish government.

Which goes back to my point. You don't care what happens to turks. Why would they care what happened in france? Which is why i say i can understand why they boo. You don't have to shed a tear for them. But don't get angry when they aren't shedding a tear for France(or any other western country that gets attacked)

Post: #93

(01-26-2016 10:15 PM)zigZag Wrote:  Which goes back to my point. You don't care what happens to turks. Why would they care what happened in france? Which is why i say i can understand why they boo. You don't have to shed a tear for them. But don't get angry when they aren't shedding a tear for France(or any other western country that gets attacked)

You might have a point there if Paris was training terrorist cells which were infiltrating Turkey and killing innocents or allowing a constant pipeline of third world nationals through its border on the way to rape and pillage Ankara.

However, that's not what is happening. Enjoy living in your fantasy land where every outrage is relative or the fault of the west though. While you're at it tell your government to stop fucking with asia too.

Post: #94

(01-26-2016 10:15 PM)zigZag Wrote:  Which goes back to my point. You don't care what happens to turks. Why would they care what happened in france? Which is why i say i can understand why they boo. You don't have to shed a tear for them. But don't get angry when they aren't shedding a tear for France(or any other western country that gets attacked)

OK, let's assume they didn't shed a tear for Turkey...who probably didn't shed a tear for Kenya...who probably didn't shed a tear for Tunisia...who probably didn't shed a tear for Nigeria...who probably didn't shed a tear for Burkina Faso...who probably didn't shed a tear for Indonesia...

This can go on and on all day. Sympathy Olympics are as meaningless and tedious as Oppression Olympics.

Post: #95

This thread has came a long way from..wondering where Tuth is..

Post: #96

Fuck this alt-right bullshit if it's going to be populated with racist fucks. I think the majority of the people on RVF now (as opposed to a few years ago) have become far more politically conservative along with many in the manosphere while the politicians in both parties have swung left.

This also goes far beyond the manosphere as many long time conservatives like myself have become disgusted with the modern day Republican Party which explains why Trump is doing so well. To many of these people, Trump represents a way to destroy the elites who hijacked the conservative movement after Ronsld Reagan. Instead of trying to fight over the alt-right with the nut jobs who occupy it, we need to take over the mainstream conservative movement. The cuckservatives need to be pushed into either the democrat party or into the wilderness. It begins with Trumps election but is just the beginning. The only way to take it over ultimately is at the local level like mayors, boards of education, congress people etc. Unfortunately, just sitting behind a keyboard will not effect the changes we all want and action will be necessary. As far as the racial aspect, people of different races need to be able to unite under this common idea or this won't ever work. America's a racially diverse country now but the constitution is color blind so that would be a good place to begin.

Post: #97

Quote:Who are the leaders of the alt-right? You're probably one of the most popular leaders on the alt-right there is.

I don't consider myself as in the alt-right. It developed beside me in the past couple of years. With no official membership list, I understand that defining entry is subjective anyway.

Post: #98

Thank you for providing me with something to reply to Agastya.

(01-26-2016 08:53 PM)Agastya Wrote:  What I take issue with is simple racism, and the fact that some members of the site seem unable to admit that this is a problem on this forum. Samseau, I respect you as a senior member, and I respect your contributions to the forum, but my main points of contention can be illustrated by some of your posts. In this thread(/thread-6908-...id109007), and in these pages especially, you displayed many of the traits I take issue with in the current RVF.

Quote:Quote:
Once the whites decide enough is enough.. even if it takes 200 years... then the minorities will be mostly excluded from white culture as civilization rebuilds.

Everyone: Note the tacit implication here that minorities and civilization are, by definition, mutually exclusive.

Translation: "Whites will wake up eventually (even if it takes 200 years) and put those minorities back in their place. Once those minorities are where they belong, white culture will finally exclude them and rebuild civilization (which the minorities, of course, destroyed in the absence of whites because that is all they've capable of doing, its just what they do)."

Bottomline: Whites are the be-all and end-all of civilization. Minorities are inherently enemies of civilization. White is right...right??

Excelsior put this better than I possibly could, and the fact that you failed to respond to this post is telling.

I couldn't respond to that post. My computer died and I was waiting on a new part, and I am pretty sure I got a fat temp ban by the time my computer was back up and running so I couldn't reply before the thread ran it's course and I lost a lot of interest. Back then, no one replied to replies more than two-three pages apart. No one cared about ideological consistency then. Also, I was replying to Excelsior on my cell phone, which did not allow me to type in depth replies with nuance; I was writing replies glibly so I could participate while I was at work that day.

But since you brought up that thread I can tell you we were talking about Affirmative Action. I personally have benefited from Affirmative Action, being a mixed race man myself. My experience of it is very bitter, seeing unqualified people being put over others because of race. AA is itself a racist policy as far as I am concerned.

I would have replied to Excelsior, back then, if I could have:

"I am not saying minorities cannot run civilization. But Affirmative Action is not putting those minorities in power who are capable of running things, because Affirmative Action does not select for the strong over the weak. The logical end of Affirmative Action is to destroy civilization, a process that would leave the survivors very bitter and distrustful of those who destroyed it. Thus, the Whites would necessarily become exclusionist and separate from other races."

I'll admit my understanding of races back then wasn't nearly as good or nuanced as it is now. Presently, I would critique myself back then by, first, stopping the usage of the word minority, and, second, asking if it would be necessary to exclude the non-Whites who showed aptitude for handling tasks as well as Whites, even in post-apocalyptic environment. But even still, my argument was not against Blacks in that thread, it was against Affirmative Action and I was proving my arguments against AA by pointing out what the end results would be.

By the way, Roosh arrived at similar conclusions as well in later years: http://www.rooshv.com/what-is-diversity

Also, I continued this conversation with Excelsior on another thread... but I cannot find it. To paraphrase the conversation: It was about the tax burden, and how Whites pay a disproportionately greater share of taxes and Blacks receive a greater benefit relative to what they pay for it. Excelsior accused me of saying Blacks were helpless without Whites and therefore I was a White Supremacist, but I replied "In the long run, Blacks may be able to achieve the same things as Whites have. But as it stands, right now, if Whites were to disappear Blacks would suffer a drastic reduction in their standard of living because Whites pay the majority of the taxes."

My opinion of this has not changed... Whites have provided enormous benefits to all the world's races including Blacks and the world continues to rely on Whites for the continuation of these benefits. I do not consider this "racist" because I am not stating that Whites are the only chosen ones who can ever be top - I just consider the Blacks to be further behind Whites on technology and economy, and that for the Blacks to catch up would take longer than the rate at which left-wing policies are destroying White culture.

Quote: Another example from this thread(/thread-50253...d1197980):

Quote:If it were just an army of brown/black invaders, you're right they wouldn't be a huge threat.

But this is an infantry army of browns/blacks organized by intelligent Whites. This is extremely dangerous and possibly more so than a pure White army, because they will have the advantage of endless cannon fodder from Africa and the Middle East.

I strongly suspect the reason ISIS is doing so well is because the top brass is full of White defectors of Western Civilization. I believe this Red Pill comic sums up how ISIS was created:

You have intelligent men leading around the less intelligent brutish men, which is a very powerful combination.

To which Anabasis to Desta replied:

Quote:Starting to sound a bit Stormfront-ish here. But I guess we all have our moments. That comic was made by some bitter half-caste nerd who uses his own tears to jerk off to anime porn and should not be taken seriously.

To think it's some influx of white veterans whose wives were getting gangbanged while they were deployed that is making ISIS so powerful is a ludicrous theory not worthy of a man like yourself.

I definitely replied to that one. I agree that posting the comic without explanation on the internet did not come across as I intended it to. Moreover I still cannot see why anything I said would be considered racist. No where do I assert that Whites are destined forever to be the best or whatever.

Quote:The views Samseau has espoused, which generally draw tons of adulation from like-minded posters, are racist. Not in the bullshit liberal "white privilege" sense; they are views that I have seen displayed in places like Stormfront, and I believe that they are harmful to the integrity of the forum. We can oppose things like the migrant crisis, forced multiculturalism, and feminism without encouraging views like this. Personally, I think the proliferation of such views will turn off lots of people who could either benefit significantly from the RVF or make great contributions. This site should be a place for men of every background to enlighten themselves, not a breeding ground for pseudo-racism that can only defend itself by saying "oh, at least we're not as bad as those 4chan neckbeards on mcpost.com"

I cannot see why talking about the advantages one race has over another is racist. Telling the truth is not racist. Facts are not a load of shit. Facts are facts no matter how uncomfortable they may make you.

Something cannot be racist if it is true. That's the bottom line. And if this forum tries to shut out the truth via censorship, then people will move to other locations to discuss the truth. Additionally, you will give ammunition to the growing racist right by not allowing race moderates to discuss things. The racist right becomes de facto the only voice discussing race, and if things continue to deteriorate within the USA Whites will automatically be drawn to the racist right out of survival reasons in virtue of believing them to be the truth. Similar things can happen in Eastern Europe. The only way to prevent this radicalization is to provide a more accurate and nuanced version of race; the truthful one of races being dynamic and subject to the forces of evolution and especially the effects religion has upon them.

So although I can appreciate your concerns, I believe you (and many others) are mistaken on the issue of race. You falsely believe that identifying any sort of distinctions among races are evil and not worth discussing when clearly they are or else people wouldn't freak out about them. The only way towards peace and enlightenment in this world is for people to accept the truth no matter how it makes them feel.

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@Samseau, I don't think Agastya meant that identifying the obvious differences between races was "racist". White people, through their creativity and intellect have given much in the way of technological advances, culture and much more to the world. On the other hand, the NBA is entertaining because of black players, mostly. Is stereotyping racist? Never.

But some posts have a distinct vibe to them that foster divisiveness. Your posts are actually quite mild. I've learned from them.

I feel disillusioned when I agree with most of Heartiste's views, but then a lot of others who share the same ideas would call me something, Roosh a wog, someone else a nigger and so forth. What for? I don't mean we should all be on some kumbayah type bs. But why alienate the men, white, black or whatever who agree?

Post: #100

(01-26-2016 06:13 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  What I find truly surprising is after 50 odd years of white culture rolling over to the demands of everyone else, the second white people start taking pride in themselves, their culture, and their heritage other ethnicities and cultures who have been doing exactly the same are terrified.

Well...when that happens we tend to subdue most of the planet, with a resurgence of brutality and ruthlessness unmatched by the previous occurrences.