Post: #26

I also choose to simply not participate in it. I'm only commenting on what another poster mentioned. You won't see me debating this stuff outside of the current context.

Post: #27

Tuth reading this thread now:



Tuth in a month or two:

Post: #28

(01-25-2016 09:00 PM)Direct or subtle Wrote:  But if you never take or follow a "close association with a single political direction", then can you ever make a difference? IMHO, if you're not doing, one way or another, serious, committed politics, then you're not impacting society, you're just having fun for your own daily pleasure (which is fine, I'm not saying it's not, but life is about more than that).

Men should have strong principles, and this alone, unavoidably, will lead to a man choosing his (political) side and fighting for it, don't you think?

I think getting all worked up about politics and religion is a waste of time. Any political or religous concern someone has is just a projection of their own individual, unconscious worry.

Vote the way you want, but to get all worked up about it, to constantly talk about it, be concerned about it is such a waste of a life. There will always be two sides of the coin represented in this country. Vote for the one you identify more with and move on, and most importantly let everyone else move on. The world is going to sway in one direction for a while, then it will sway back in the other. And the cosmic joke is everyone takes themselves and their ability to "make a difference" so seriously. If there is a God, he's surely looking down and laughing his ass off at it all.

If you want to have an impact on society then try to understand what the deeper, psychological concern is that's associated with that particular issue. That issue you and the other "passionate" ones can't stop thinking/worrying about. Try to understand why the other side is so worried about having it their way.

Nobody does that though. Instead they yell, "this is the way it should be and if you don't agree you're a moron."

I don't see either party talking about Men's rights. How can anyone on this forum even support a candidate who doesn't have the balls to stand up and talk about that on national television?

Post: #29

(01-25-2016 09:44 PM)magellan Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 05:52 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 04:31 PM)magellan Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 04:20 PM)Sumanguru Wrote:  Yeah, he was never big into the alt-right white power bullshit that pops up on this forum. To be honest, it seems like the posters who have openly identified as liberal or black or both have taken a step away, and just post in certain threads (can't remember the last time I saw Excelsior post out of the Black Hotness thread) if at all. And if that's the case, it's a huge loss for the manosphere. Tuth was a great writer. And the Manosphere should be for the betterment of *all* men, not just white men.

The streak of exuberant white nationalism on the forum as of late can be incredibly alienating.

You seriously don't know what White Nationalism is like. Go to http://mpcdot.com/forums/forum/6-general-shit-talk/ and ask yourself if this forum is even 10% as bad as that place.

I think some of the non-White posters here are way too sensitive. I'm mixed race, nothing here offends me.

As for Tuth - this is the first time the dude has taken a break in like 5 years. Doesn't the man deserve a vacation?

Shit, most of the main forum members (myself included) have taken 2-4 month breaks before. I doubt he has quit. There is no better place for men to talk on the net than here.

Also, people here agree with his politics more than some members make it out to be. There isn't a single person here who defends big banks or corporations or women in positions of power. The fact is, most of the perceived political differences between the members is very thin. Compared to the rest of the world, we're extremely uniform.

I'm well aware of what white nationalism is. I have a habit of lurking on many different forums, a large contingent of which profess ideologies that I am opposed to.

Whether you'll acknowledge it or not, the fact of the matter is that there is a clear divide on this forum with regard to this topic.

You are absolutely right.

While I don't necessarily agree with the HBD stuff, the "White Race Purity" above all else stuff that's just a tad bit below stormfront, if you are white - of which I am half white/half middle-eastern, you should feel like you are getting the short end of the stick - because you are.

It's just that whites are finally waking up to the fact there are a devoted segment of deviants out to get them and no one gives a shit or takes it seriously.

Post: #30

Can anyone name a single guy on this forum who believes in racial purity?

Quote:Whether you'll acknowledge it or not, the fact of the matter is that there is a clear divide on this forum with regard to this topic.

Any guys who feel "the divide" are being irrational. These are the same guys who defend Muslims gang-raping teenage girls.

Post: #31

I too, took note of the Great Pharoah's absence. May the Master of the Two Lands make his return.

Post: #32

Derailing with a race thread. I know Tuth would be dropping temporary hammers right now

Post: #33

(01-26-2016 02:39 AM)kaotic Wrote:  Derailing with a race thread. I know Tuth would be dropping temporary hammers right now

Sometimes when Tuth dropped a ban hammer, he'd drop a link to this jam. Always cracked me up when I saw it:

Post: #34

(01-26-2016 02:39 AM)kaotic Wrote:  Derailing with a race thread. I know Tuth would be dropping temporary hammers right now

This kinda sums up this thread. There is nothing "derailing" about this at all - we all suspect his patronage here dried up specifically because of the increased focus on race & non-gender cultural issues, which went against his grain. On these issues, he would ban with a vengeance and preemptively close threads moving in the direction of muslim issues, I believe he once said "this thread is just going to turn into muslim bashing, closing it up". It must feel uncomfortable sticking around after you stamp down heavily on these issues ( /thread-46857...pid1004512 ), and subsequently the migrant invasion happens. If you applied the same banning precedents now that existed a year ago, everyone in that massive thread and other related ones would be banned by now and the threads closed.

Other than on sex-relations issues, he was a left-of-center moderator going against an increasing tide of right-wing sentiment. If I was in that situation, I'd probably feel uncomfortable too.

The forum is ultimately the Roosh V forum, and if you look at Roosh's content now and 3+ years ago, it's a completely different theme. You can't expect Tuthmosis to magically track these theme changes in his own interests. From what I've read, he was mostly about banging women (an honourable pastime), and the RVF theme is less about that than it used to be.

Post: #35

Quote:The forum is ultimately the Roosh V forum, and if you look at Roosh's content now and 3+ years ago, it's a completely different theme.

Besides a few new categories, the forum still has a healthy Game and Travel section. It's just that those are now seen as components and tools to a masculine life instead of the end-all-be-all. That has allowed the pursuit of political solutions to be more apparent on the EE forum, though I've never tried to limit game/travel discussion. We're not completely resistant to the direction of the winds.

Post: #36

(01-25-2016 09:56 PM)Onto Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 09:00 PM)Direct or subtle Wrote:  But if you never take or follow a "close association with a single political direction", then can you ever make a difference? IMHO, if you're not doing, one way or another, serious, committed politics, then you're not impacting society, you're just having fun for your own daily pleasure (which is fine, I'm not saying it's not, but life is about more than that).

Men should have strong principles, and this alone, unavoidably, will lead to a man choosing his (political) side and fighting for it, don't you think?

I think getting all worked up about politics and religion is a waste of time. Any political or religous concern someone has is just a projection of their own individual, unconscious worry.

Vote the way you want, but to get all worked up about it, to constantly talk about it, be concerned about it is such a waste of a life. There will always be two sides of the coin represented in this country. Vote for the one you identify more with and move on, and most importantly let everyone else move on. The world is going to sway in one direction for a while, then it will sway back in the other. And the cosmic joke is everyone takes themselves and their ability to "make a difference" so seriously. If there is a God, he's surely looking down and laughing his ass off at it all.

If you want to have an impact on society then try to understand what the deeper, psychological concern is that's associated with that particular issue. That issue you and the other "passionate" ones can't stop thinking/worrying about. Try to understand why the other side is so worried about having it their way.

"try to understand what the deeper, psychological concern is that's associated with that particular issue" : what does it mean, exactly?

"Try to understand why the other side is so worried about having it their way."

But I perfectly understand "the other side".. I understand the Liberal leftists' motivations and sinister agendas, and..? I should tolerate and forgive them?? Because I understand them, I should put myself in their skin? See the world from their point of view, yeah?

But no, sorry to disappoint you Onto, no! : I don't want to see the world in their shoes, to "relativise" things, to respect their point of view or feeling : I'm from a generation who says, what is right is right, what is wrong is wrong

To quote you : "There will always be two sides of the coin represented in this country. ".. Sure 2 sides they are : the right side and the useless, evil side. You want to tolerate both? Cool. I don't. It's called principles.

I won't try and imagine what life is from the point of view of a SJW, I just won't. They, the SJWs, are the part of society which is destroying our beautiful Western world, so, no "understanding" for them, no sir.. They are what they are, we are what we are, no common ground, thanks for the offer.

Post: #37

(01-26-2016 04:18 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:The forum is ultimately the Roosh V forum, and if you look at Roosh's content now and 3+ years ago, it's a completely different theme.

Besides a few new categories, the forum still has a healthy Game and Travel section. It's just that those are now seen as components and tools to a masculine life instead of the end-all-be-all. That has allowed the pursuit of political solutions to be more apparent on the EE forum, though I've never tried to limit game/travel discussion. We're not completely resistant to the direction of the winds.

I love this place. The red pill is not just about getting laid, it is about enlightenment. For the young guys it is all about how to get laid. Good for them, go for that, I was certainly there at one time. As you age, getting laid isn't as big of a challenge or as big of a concern. What is the next achievement? What is the next battle to win in life?

This place discusses, shares and helps men find the answer to both how to get laid, and beyond. Enlightenment is different for each person, but it can be easier to reach with so many great friends to help you. And lucky for us, we can find all those friends and resources in this one great forum. And dividing the forum into different sub-sections/topics is genius and allows everyone to find what they need if they look for it

Post: #38

(01-26-2016 03:58 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  

(01-26-2016 02:39 AM)kaotic Wrote:  Derailing with a race thread. I know Tuth would be dropping temporary hammers right now

This kinda sums up this thread. There is nothing "derailing" about this at all - we all suspect his patronage here dried up specifically because of the increased focus on race & non-gender cultural issues, which went against his grain. On these issues, he would ban with a vengeance and preemptively close threads moving in the direction of muslim issues, I believe he once said "this thread is just going to turn into muslim bashing, closing it up". It must feel uncomfortable sticking around after you stamp down heavily on these issues ( /thread-46857...pid1004512 ), and subsequently the migrant invasion happens. If you applied the same banning precedents now that existed a year ago, everyone in that massive thread and other related ones would be banned by now and the threads closed.

Other than on sex-relations issues, he was a left-of-center moderator going against an increasing tide of right-wing sentiment. If I was in that situation, I'd probably feel uncomfortable too.

The forum is ultimately the Roosh V forum, and if you look at Roosh's content now and 3+ years ago, it's a completely different theme. You can't expect Tuthmosis to magically track these theme changes in his own interests. From what I've read, he was mostly about banging women (an honourable pastime), and the RVF theme is less about that than it used to be.

Thanks for the link, Phoenix ( /thread-46857...pid1004512 )

Shows how much this forum and the world have changed in one year. One year ago, talking about the mass illegal migrations into the West was, to quote Tuthmosis, "doomsday trolling".

But now, after 1,1 millions of migrants in Germany alone, Schengen suspended, numerous large-scale terror attacks, inummerable rapes by migrants, daily murders by illegals, Turkish, Syrian and Russian war(s), suddenly even main stream media talks every day about the migrants crisis. So we the alt-right were right! We were not doomsday-trolling!

So, I'd just like left (or center-lefts) people to present their apologies to people like Zelcorpion, Samseau and others.. cause I noticed that leftists people have discreetly deserted the debate once it has become totally obvious that the Conservatives were right all along. Too easy an escape : No leftist ever apologized to us.. I dream of the day when leftists and msm will tell us, publicly : "you were right! we were wrong all along!"

So, speaking in general terms : I guess being a man is also about that : looking the truth in the eye, being able to recognize his errors and apologize. Not just disappear and refuse any further debate..

Post: #39

No, they'll tell you that you created it.

Post: #40

This is an ideal forum exactly because it combines game, travel, health, lifestyle and art and political discussions. Without any single one of those, it would not be complete and would fall apart or become a stale and degenerate place. Even people who post only in one sections get enriched (no pun intended) by the mere fact that this is such an all-encompassing forum and that thus includes multiple perspectives with checks and balances.

A forum that discusses only game turns into mindless keyboard-jockeying about chasing the deteriorating pussy sources.
A forum that discusses only travel turns into an impossible to navigate bog of pictures of monuments and restaurant recommendations without even describing the spirit of the destination.
A forum that discusses only bodybuilding turns into epeen contests and inane trolling by sexually frustrated Betas.
A forum that discusses only art or politics turns into an echo chamber isolated from reality.

Even a forum that would have 2 or 3 out of these (think the forums started by disgruntled members) eventually begins to suffer from the above-described degeneracy: game & travel-only forums turn into trolling aspie-PUA centrals or whoremongering forums, and general plus political forums without a dedicated game & travel section collapse into a bitter PUA-hate melee and doomsday porn.

Without any exaggeration, this forum is the most well-rounded place on the entire Internet. Major props to Roosh for creating it.

Regarding Tuth, I don't know why he's absent, but I hope he comes back sometime, even if it's at least to post some gifs. He was a great and well-rounded poster.

Post: #41

The arguments that Tuth has left because of politics on the forum just aren't convincing.

He never raised my warning level for talking about Muslims, for example, because I always present my arguments with well researched claims and I cite tons of history. The guy who has raised my warning level the most, ironically, has been Roosh, who has kept my combative nature in check. And Roosh has never raised my warning level about talking about Muslims either. He has for Jews and various race discussions, however. But again even Roosh has changed his mind on many of these topics, especially as he grows older and wiser. I also do my best to make sure my word choice is not abusive towards any race when discussing sensitive topics as well.

I have found most of Tuth's temp bans appropriate and his moderating style to be excellent. Contrary to what the haters say, he is not a heavy handed dictator. Go to Reddit, Something Awful, or virtually any other forum, the mods are fucking losers!!

Again, this is the first time he's taken a break in 5 fucking years. I mean damn, that's probably longer than any girlfriend he's ever had. You guys sound like heartbroken lovers who can't get over a oneitis. Everyone has taken breaks from this forum, with the sole exception of Roosh.

If Tuth isn't back in 6 more months from now, the political arguments may have some merit but right now I find the speculation to be absurd. The dude is taking a break probably to stack some serious cash or slay mad pussy. That is 10000x more likely than him leaving because of hurt feelings over politics. Seriously, you guys make him out to sound like a butthurt SJW, when he is nothing like that trust me.

Post: #42

I did notice Tuth not coming into threads where they had shitty titles and clickbait articles or no article explanation.

eg: "OMG guys look at this link":[clickbait link]

Numerous threads on EE started with similar first posts and no Tuth. I might not have agreed on some of his views but he made sure to keep the forum well-read and organised.

Post: #43

(01-26-2016 08:54 AM)Samseau Wrote:  You guys sound like heartbroken lovers who can't get over a oneitis.

Post: #44

It is kind of funny - when I first started here - I was all about the Game forum.

Once I expanded and had a solid foundation on Game - I transitioned to the Everything Else forum alot more.

I feel I'm now more educated on world politics and stay up to date with current events. I can from better opinions and see what really is going on in this world.

Post: #45

(01-26-2016 04:18 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:The forum is ultimately the Roosh V forum, and if you look at Roosh's content now and 3+ years ago, it's a completely different theme.

Besides a few new categories, the forum still has a healthy Game and Travel section. It's just that those are now seen as components and tools to a masculine life instead of the end-all-be-all. That has allowed the pursuit of political solutions to be more apparent on the EE forum, though I've never tried to limit game/travel discussion. We're not completely resistant to the direction of the winds.

I have been wondering, maybe we should have a separate section for news and politics. We have so many threads based on news and politics which would warrant a different section. I don't find politics or news to be deep forum content.

Post: #46

(01-26-2016 12:18 AM)Samseau Wrote:  Can anyone name a single guy on this forum who believes in racial purity?

Quote:Whether you'll acknowledge it or not, the fact of the matter is that there is a clear divide on this forum with regard to this topic.

Any guys who feel "the divide" are being irrational. These are the same guys who defend Muslims gang-raping teenage girls.

The new digital iteration of the KKK, also known as the Alt-Right, is a group that spends most of its energy lambasting Jews, Blacks, and non-pure whites/mixed race peoples and now Muslims, has created a huge divide between its followers, the quiet sympathizers, and everyone else.

Just because the most ardent hardcore white nationalists have worked overtime for the past decade to spread their message online which is now apparently the norm around these parts, doesn't mean many of us agree, or are on board.

When it comes to debating these issues; people aren't arguing because when it comes to arguing about race, people toss logic out the window, and they would toss far more if they were given the chance (all sides do this, it's what gave us the rise of Fascism, and Communism almost simultaneously).

The looney left wants to convince me that women and men are the same and should piss in the same stall standing up, while the alternative right wants to convince me that overthrowing our elected governments and replacing them with a fascist white dictatorship that uses race and its hatred for the Jews as its central tenet will somehow be beneficial for the progression of society.

I'll keep my skeptical hat on.

Tuth kept the conversation more level headed, which is necessary when dealing with topics such as race, ethnicity, identity, and religion, especially on a game forum that has people that differ in all the aforementioned categories.

Some other game forums have outright banned any political discussion because the more liberal minded folks there wouldn't back down. Threads would reach 50 pages, and it'll be 50 pages of circle jerking and bad blood with no tangible resolutions, no one's mind has changed, and everyone leaves the thread feeling a little more agitated.

Post: #47

(01-26-2016 01:03 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  The looney left wants to convince me that women and men are the same and should piss in the same stall standing up, while the alternative right wants to convince me that overthrowing our elected governments and replacing them with a fascist white dictatorship that uses race and its hatred for the Jews as its central tenet will somehow be beneficial for the progression of society.

I just don't get when "far right" got renamed "alt right" or what the aim of this is. Terminology is important, and divergence of definitions merely clouds our ability to productively debate.

That goes for all the "cultural Marxist / liberal / SJW" stuff too. It's a leftist -- predating Marx, the co-opting of the term 'liberal', and adopting the grandiose term 'social justice warrior'.

Post: #48

(01-26-2016 06:14 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  I love this place. The red pill is not just about getting laid, it is about enlightenment. For the young guys it is all about how to get laid. Good for them, go for that, I was certainly there at one time. As you age, getting laid isn't as big of a challenge or as big of a concern. What is the next achievement? What is the next battle to win in life?

This place discusses, shares and helps men find the answer to both how to get laid, and beyond. Enlightenment is different for each person, but it can be easier to reach with so many great friends to help you. And lucky for us, we can find all those friends and resources in this one great forum. And dividing the forum into different sub-sections/topics is genius and allows everyone to find what they need if they look for it

Yeah you must be right, my idea of enlightenment is more in-line with the Buddha's teachings, as opposed to the hatred and fear-mongering that the far right-wing and white nationalists believe in.

Hatred, racism, and xenophobia don't exactly fit in with my vision of enlightenment. Somehow the prevalent thinking on this forum has become in order to be "red pill", you have to believe that some races and religions are superior to others.

It's all good, all those people searching for their version of "enlightenment" can focus on anger and hatred and see how far it takes them, I'll continue to focus on positivity and love.

Post: #49

(01-26-2016 01:28 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

(01-26-2016 06:14 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  I love this place. The red pill is not just about getting laid, it is about enlightenment. For the young guys it is all about how to get laid. Good for them, go for that, I was certainly there at one time. As you age, getting laid isn't as big of a challenge or as big of a concern. What is the next achievement? What is the next battle to win in life?

This place discusses, shares and helps men find the answer to both how to get laid, and beyond. Enlightenment is different for each person, but it can be easier to reach with so many great friends to help you. And lucky for us, we can find all those friends and resources in this one great forum. And dividing the forum into different sub-sections/topics is genius and allows everyone to find what they need if they look for it

Yeah you must be right, my idea of enlightenment is more in-line with the Buddha's teachings, as opposed to the hatred and fear-mongering that the far right-wing and white nationalists believe in.

Hatred, racism, and xenophobia don't exactly fit in with my vision of enlightenment. Somehow the prevalent thinking on this forum has become in order to be "red pill", you have to believe that some races and religions are superior to others.

It's all good, all those people searching for their version of "enlightenment" can focus on anger and hatred and see how far it takes them, I'll continue to focus on positivity and love.

Link up non-banned posters here who say a race is superior. If you are going to charge people with being racists, you have to back it up.

Post: #50

(01-26-2016 01:32 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

(01-26-2016 01:28 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

(01-26-2016 06:14 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  I love this place. The red pill is not just about getting laid, it is about enlightenment. For the young guys it is all about how to get laid. Good for them, go for that, I was certainly there at one time. As you age, getting laid isn't as big of a challenge or as big of a concern. What is the next achievement? What is the next battle to win in life?

This place discusses, shares and helps men find the answer to both how to get laid, and beyond. Enlightenment is different for each person, but it can be easier to reach with so many great friends to help you. And lucky for us, we can find all those friends and resources in this one great forum. And dividing the forum into different sub-sections/topics is genius and allows everyone to find what they need if they look for it

Yeah you must be right, my idea of enlightenment is more in-line with the Buddha's teachings, as opposed to the hatred and fear-mongering that the far right-wing and white nationalists believe in.

Hatred, racism, and xenophobia don't exactly fit in with my vision of enlightenment. Somehow the prevalent thinking on this forum has become in order to be "red pill", you have to believe that some races and religions are superior to others.

It's all good, all those people searching for their version of "enlightenment" can focus on anger and hatred and see how far it takes them, I'll continue to focus on positivity and love.

Link up non-banned posters here who say a race is superior. If you are going to charge people with being racists, you have to back it up.

Dude I have a brain, I'm sorry but all this I back up my arguments with facts is a load of shit. There's lots of white supremacist rhetoric constantly being spouted on this forum, I'd have more respect for guys if they just outright admitted it instead of trying to mask it with veiled pseudo-intellectual bullshit. Then again maybe some of you guys are so confused that you are in denial of it in the first place.

Anger, hatred, negativity, and xenophobia are really toxic to one's mental, spiritual, and emotional health.

Feel free to call me a libtard, SJW, or whatever buzzwords are convenient to levy at those you disagree with.