(07-01-2015 10:59 AM)TrentV Wrote:  I let her break my frame early on. We were talking about bad dates and she said this guy once tried to get super sexual on their first date and tried to invite her to his room. She then later said that sex talk should be reserved for people who are dating. I played it PG and added kino here and there but avoided any sexual and avoided kissing her. I don't think that was the right play anymore.

Yah for me this is a no brainer. It's not even a game/frame problem its a logic problem. Break down the possible scenarios here and you'll see that basically no matter what you should take it sexual. Assuming of course your looking for sex / something casual and short term.

Scenario 1: She is shit testing you ----> game on

Scenario 2: She is not shit testing you ----> she is thus very uptight about sex and not going to put out anyway, so might as well game on and learn from the experience

Scenario 3: She is half shit testing you -----> she wants to believe this is true but will ultimately fall back into her old patterns of behavior / biological programming if prodded, hence game on

Not shoving that test right back in her face benefits you in no way, unless Scenario 2 is true and you are interested in an LTR.

Super annoying girl on Tinder. Matched and started convo Sunday evening.

I hit her with the 'tinder thinks we'd make beautiful kids' opener.

Her: Hahaha smooth
Me: You must be pretty smooth yourself, dc power player (her pics are her with Cheney, Boehner, and Ron Paul)
Her: Hahaha, well, haha
Me: I'm looking for my own Claire Underwood. You applying?
Her: No, I'm a little more mentally stable than her haha
Me: Lol good to know, what'd you tell Boehner
Her: Nothing I mainly just laughed
Me: Lol good tanning salon recommendations?
Her: Hahaha not as orange in person haha
Me: Haha good to know. Got any plans after work this week?
Her: I actually don't have any receptions planned Crazy haha
Me: Oh I caught you on a good week huh
Her: Haha yeah
Me: Nice, you down to hang out then
Her: Perhaps
Me: What's your number? We can work out a time later on
Her: Haha maybe we get to know eachother before I give out my number
Me: Lol what do you propose

She doesn't respond. I hit her the next day with 'what's up tinderella' reopener

Some small talk about going to the gym.

Another reopener on Wednesday.

Me: Real talk, lets get dinner tomorrow evening. You game? Not "we should", "how about", or "what do you think", it's telling her and finishing with a direct challenge/call to action. This is where she gets annoying.

Her: Maybe
Me: Ever been to x
Her: In x town
Me: Yea
Her: Anywhere closer to y
Me: z? (in between but still closer to me)
Her: Perhaps
Me: That's your buzzword isn't it (I'm tired of her worming around like this)
Her: I would say perhaps but you figured out my system! Haha

WTF game is she playing? Is this pure attention whoring?

Met a chick at a job interview yesterday. (second time that happened within a week for me)

We talked while in the waiting area. The boss guy comes out and looks at me and says "would you be willing to shave your beard to get this job?" In my head I had already decided "Fuck no". But i humor him so I can stay a bit, pretend to fill out the app, and see if I can get this chicks number.

So when she is done with her interview I walk out after her. Kinda creeperish, I know. But what the hell, I've got nothing to lose right? She was like, "Woah, you didn't even stay for an interview" I said no fucking way am i shaving off my glorious red beard. She says something along the lines of, yeah, that thing is awesome. Turns out shes new in town, from out of state. I suggest we hang out and we exchange numbers. So far this is our text convo, not sure how to proceed:

Me: What was your name again?

Her: Lol Kenz

Me: lol Like Mckenzie?

Her: Mackenzie*

Her: Lol

Me: Lol same shieet

That was it. I know i probably shouldnt say "haha" or "lol" as much as I do but i find it makes it easier to be a dick in your texts without coming off as rude. How should i proceed?

(07-02-2015 02:23 PM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  Met a chick at a job interview yesterday. (second time that happened within a week for me)

We talked while in the waiting area. The boss guy comes out and looks at me and says "would you be willing to shave your beard to get this job?" In my head I had already decided "Fuck no". But i humor him so I can stay a bit, pretend to fill out the app, and see if I can get this chicks number.

So when she is done with her interview I walk out after her. Kinda creeperish, I know. But what the hell, I've got nothing to lose right? She was like, "Woah, you didn't even stay for an interview" I said no fucking way am i shaving off my glorious red beard. She says something along the lines of, yeah, that thing is awesome. Turns out shes new in town, from out of state. I suggest we hang out and we exchange numbers. So far this is our text convo, not sure how to proceed:

Me: What was your name again?

Her: Lol Kenz

Me: lol Like Mckenzie?

Her: Mackenzie*

Her: Lol

Me: Lol same shieet

That was it. I know i probably shouldnt say "haha" or "lol" as much as I do but i find it makes it easier to be a dick in your texts without coming off as rude. How should i proceed?

Ask her to grab a drink with you or go check out something cool in your area. She's new to the area, it's the perfect excuse to get her out quickly, you know she's not slammed busy and you've already hung out and got to know each other a bit so it's a fairly natural transition versus meeting a girl on Tinder or something like that. What are you waiting for?

(06-30-2015 11:42 AM)RDF Wrote:  ^ Based on this story, I wouldn't expect a response back. Plenty of first dates don't work out, and considering she hasn't answered that text, it sounds like she's not interested anymore. She may still respond at some point, but double-texting in this situation shows her that you're too invested. Maybe don't delete her number, and send her a random restart message (funny/cool picture, for example) in a few weeks. Other than that, next!

Also, did you kiss her? I have never had a second date with a girl who I didn't at least kiss on the first date. It's 2015 - kissing on the first date is basically mandatory from both her and my perspective, especially from a Tinder girl.

I have had women refuse to kiss on the first date but bang on the second. The rationale? "I don't kiss on the first date". Girls have all sorts of weird rules that make no sense.

I agree with the rest of what you said, if she isn't responding, no need to double text, just move on.

Anyone have any good restart texts?

Went on a date with a girl, had a great time we got really drunk and chain smoked but she was going on vacay for 2 weeks the next day. Didn't get the bang but she had tons of fun and wanted to see me again

Looking for something to restart the convo with Her

"hope your vacation was good. Cruise by on Sunday night 8pm."

edit, except use all lower case spelling.

(07-02-2015 09:10 PM)Valhalla Wrote:  Anyone have any good restart texts?

Went on a date with a girl, had a great time we got really drunk and chain smoked but she was going on vacay for 2 weeks the next day. Didn't get the bang but she had tons of fun and wanted to see me again

Looking for something to restart the convo with Her

"you back yet? I'm going to be XX place. Come out"

Annd she flaked after we made plans

"Hey my bad for not texting back yesterday i was rly drunk. I don't think I should go out tonight I spent way too much money last night"

how do I handle this bullshit?

she's incredibly averse to me being at her house(this would only be our second date) for some strange reason so I probably can't suggest that

Just don't respond.

Go silent for a couple of weeks, then send a restart, maybe a pic of some place you are, and see if she's interested.

The key is to never reward a girl with attention if she's blowing you off.

Texting this girl i just met from the internet, never actually met in person. I open with...

Me: "I have this confession to make"
Her: "what?"
Me: "it's pretty personal"
Her: "oh what is it?"
Me: "I haven't told anyone"
Her: "follow what your heart says"

How do i go from here?

(07-07-2015 08:36 AM)studmuffin52 Wrote:  Texting this girl i just met from the internet, never actually met in person. I open with...

Me: "I have this confession to make"
Her: "what?"
Me: "it's pretty personal"
Her: "oh what is it?"
Me: "I haven't told anyone"
Her: "follow what your heart says"

How do i go from here?

I think next time you start a conversation like this, you think about the answer to your question

It's like telling a joke that has no punch line!

Haven't spoken to this chick since she left town a week ago. I'm looking for a good way to get her out again or possible SNL for a day 2. I was thinking something more light and funny.

"XX the mermaid, how was your trip" or "casper, how long before you go ghost again (kind of provoking but its kind of funny...at least in my head).

(07-07-2015 08:36 AM)studmuffin52 Wrote:  Texting this girl i just met from the internet, never actually met in person. I open with...

Me: "I have this confession to make"
Her: "what?"
Me: "it's pretty personal"
Her: "oh what is it?"
Me: "I haven't told anyone"
Her: "follow what your heart says"

How do i go from here?

I'm a lesbian

(No, but seriously why would you lead out this way and have no answer thought out already? You have to lead. You can't pretend to lead and then go, "lol oops I don't actually know where I'm going")

(07-07-2015 04:39 PM)~wrIghter~ Wrote:  Haven't spoken to this chick since she left town a week ago. I'm looking for a good way to get her out again or possible SNL for a day 2. I was thinking something more light and funny.

"XX the mermaid, how was your trip" or "casper, how long before you go ghost again (kind of provoking but its kind of funny...at least in my head).

Holy hell that was long and complicated. Anytime you're hanging with a girl you should push the kino and try to kiss her. You're in a "magical" situation where you're both drinking, enjoying the day ending, and swimming around all alone in a pool. I can't think of a better time to go for the kiss in your story. When she invited a guy that's not all that great of a sign, but you all got high together and then she invited you to use her pull out and have breakfast in the morning which is a positive sign. You should've made a move after the bathroom for sure. You put yourself square in the zone of being a temp replacement for the bf (but not a lover when she's away from the bf). Still possible to salvage, but I'd go more with a sexual innuendo vibe and kino and make a move ("let's get sweaty" or some variation thereof) or invite her to drinks or to "smoke trees" together.

@AneroidOcian Yea, I went in rusty as fuck. I think mentioning breaking a sweat may spark her interest, as we played around with the idea of me being her "fitness" coach. Its just a matter of putting it in a way that sparks her interest. "Let's break a sweat before you're due back in XX" is an idea.

(07-07-2015 05:13 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 08:36 AM)studmuffin52 Wrote:  Texting this girl i just met from the internet, never actually met in person. I open with...

Me: "I have this confession to make"
Her: "what?"
Me: "it's pretty personal"
Her: "oh what is it?"
Me: "I haven't told anyone"
Her: "follow what your heart says"

How do i go from here?

I'm a lesbian

(No, but seriously why would you lead out this way and have no answer thought out already? You have to lead. You can't pretend to lead and then go, "lol oops I don't actually know where I'm going")

Continued like this:

Me: "I like baby turtles"
Her: "Omg!!!!"
Me: "I know right? Feels good to finally tell someone"
Her: "You are funny"
Her: "So what's your name?"
Me: "xxxxx, you?"

Still no response yet.

Fired off my restart text with a bit of an inside joke "xx the mermaid, how was your trip" short, simple, not sexual off the bat, until she fires off a response. If she doesn't I'll put this one on the back burner and move the next forward.

In other news, it seems I #closed a SIF from POF ....

Talking with this one girl I met at a birthday party last month (one of my mom's co-workers). To make a long story short, went on a four-course dinner date last weekend (Disclaimer: it was a friend's birthday party and I invited her along-the meal was free) and had a good time. She really liked my friends and kissed closed at the end of the date (no bang she lives with her mom). While I was away in California all week she texted me how much she missed me and couldn't wait to come back.

Come back this past Friday and Saturday (July 4th) and asked to chill those days. She said she was watching her nephew Friday and had plans with family July 4th (this wasn't a real flake--she told me this even before our first date she watches her nephew a lot and had plans with family July 4th when I asked her). I was busy Sunday and we live 45 minutes apart and I work a lot on the weekdays. Text convo (from last Thursday):

7/2/2015:

Me: One more day until I'm back! Just walking around San Francisco about to go hang out with a friend (3:34 PM)
Her: Yayy hopefully I'll get a chance to see you at some point (7:53 PM)

7/3/2015:

Me: Hey will you be around near 8 tonight? (1:45 PM)
Her: Yeah but I have my nephew ): (5:12 PM)
Me: My mom wanted to know if you're coming to our 4th of July cookout tomorrow (9:04 PM)
Her: Nope /: i had already made plans to go out with my family. tell her i said hi and i miss her! lol (9:28 PM)

7/4/2015:

Her: Happy 4th to you and your family (3:38 PM)
Me: Thanks and to yours too (6:06 PM)

7/6/2015:

Her: Morning! (11:46 AM)
Me: Good morning how was your Fourth of July? (12:00 PM) (radio silence until the next day)

7/7/2015:

Her: Gmorning! (8:32 AM) (radio silence from me since then)

I was planning on messaging her before I went to bed saying "Gnight!" to counter her "Gmorning!" and pulling away a little to get her messaging me back? What do you all think? Your help is apprecited.

(07-08-2015 02:54 PM)MdWanderer Wrote:  7/7/2015:

Her: Gmorning! (8:32 AM) (radio silence from me since then)

I was planning on messaging her before I went to bed saying "Gnight!" to counter her "Gmorning!" and pulling away a little to get her messaging me back? What do you all think? Your help is apprecited.

I'm not sure what you've done with this since yesterday. Even if you haven't kept on with the radio silence (better if you have, but radio silence can be easier said than done sometimes...), I'd text the following:

"I'll should be free x night or x night - let's do (whatever MdWanderer wants to do)"

Other RVF members may have other suggestions, but based on what you wrote it's time for her to either step out with you or not. If she can't do either of those nights and doesn't offer any other nights of her own then, as you know, she's really not feeling it and it would be best to keep it moving....

(07-08-2015 03:44 PM)Baldwin81 Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 02:54 PM)MdWanderer Wrote:  7/7/2015:

Her: Gmorning! (8:32 AM) (radio silence from me since then)

I was planning on messaging her before I went to bed saying "Gnight!" to counter her "Gmorning!" and pulling away a little to get her messaging me back? What do you all think? Your help is apprecited.

I'm not sure what you've done with this since yesterday. Even if you haven't kept on with the radio silence (better if you have, but radio silence can be easier said than done sometimes...), I'd text the following:

"I'll should be free x night or x night - let's do (whatever MdWanderer wants to do)"

Other RVF members may have other suggestions, but based on what you wrote it's time for her to either step out with you or not. If she can't do either of those nights and doesn't offer any other nights of her own then, as you know, she's really not feeling it and it would be best to keep it moving....

Nope kept up with the radio silence to this point (almost two days strong). So far I was planning on sending the "Gnite" text before I went to bed and she if she responds. If she does and a mini conversation ensues, I would let her know i'm busy next weekend but on what dates is she available and see if our schedules mesh. She was texting me a lot (most of her initiating it) when I was away in California.

I'm in Thailand and she is a Thai girl i meet on Thaifriendly.com. On the first date, she brought her cousin (it's kind of normal here, she is a country girl and was to shy to come out on her own) so I only got a peak on the lips a couple times where kino was very good. She was always trying to touch me. I showed 2/3 of my attention to her cousin and 1/3 to her. Her cousin was very into me where I could tell by body language they both liked me! At the end of the night, I tried to get her to leave her cousin but I had no luck! I can tell she was into me tho!

She message me before I got home and wanted to see me again (Sunday). I didn't reply to the next day where I organised to caught up on Tuesday. She wanted to be picked up early so I did where she wanted to see my room. Banged her hard about 4 times that night. In the bedroom, she was very shy tho. Felt like I was with a virgin!

I messaged her the next night where she was angry cause she had to go to the doctor cause her womb was hurting. Blame me where I said she going to be ok but she didn't reply.

So I left it for a week where it's been two days now and I haven't received a reply from the messages below
Me: "Hi, how are you?"
4 hours later..
Me: "It's raining here in [location]. How's the weather in [her location] (i tried to spark her interested cause she doesn't know I left her location)

[Background]
She said she hasn't been with a guy in 2 years and just joined Thailfriendly a couple months ago. She brought her cousin cause she was shy and I was the first guy she met. I don't believe a word a woman says where she is petite and small and it felt like I was banging a virgin. That's why I want to see her again, it felt so good cause she was so tight.

She is an attention seeking hoe and was always on her phone on the second date. First date she hardly touched it. Very petite and attractive, 22-23 years old. It took a bit of work to game her over a month.

I believe she is pissed off with me! I remember some advise from David Deangelo back in the day, bad emotion is just as good as good emotion (ex. negative hit). So I believe I can get another bang or two! I just need some good bait after 2-4 weeks maybe??

I originally posted this in the "flaked" thread but I seem to be stuck here. Don't want to fuck this one up so I'm hoping you guys can help me turn this around.

Had a date yesterday with this Tinderchick, 25 year old 7. Fun but short (time was our enemy because of work) date at my place, makeout at the end.

Recieved a text a few hours ago she had fun but I was her first and last Tinderdate and she does't feel like meeting up again. I replied with "We could just hang out and have fun, doesnt have too be anything serious." Which she replied with "True".

Guess thats the end of it. Shame, would've liked to bang her.

I'm really stuck here. Can't tell if she's up for some sort of fuckbuddys relationship or really just wants nothing to do with me..

(07-09-2015 04:18 AM)STriple-R Wrote:  Recieved a text a few hours ago she had fun but I was her first and last Tinderdate and she does't feel like meeting up again.

If she said she does not feel like meeting up again you should NEXT her. Delete her number and stop trying to convince her to meet you. It won't happen.

Been chatting back and forth with this girl over okc. Sometimes takes several days to respond but the interaction is positive, with her contributing in non-token ways. I'm finally tired of it going back and forth I propose a meetup.

Her Response:
"I think I'm nervous to meet you.... that's a first... lol. I guess I dn't want to get arrested."

How do I proceed

Try sending here this: "don't worry I got you covered"

Then text her this: