I think this one is lost and even if it's not I'm not sure I want to rescue it as it seems like she's got baggage and will be hard to get out on a date. However in the future when I get this reluctance to hand over a phone number should I play it differently?

Me: I don't know about you but POF chat annoys so what do you say we move this to texting?

Her: Not really a fan of giving out my number but happy to move it to kik if you like

Me: No idea what kik is. What are you scared of? haha

Her: Psychos having my number?

Me: Haha you think I'm a psycho?

Her: How do I know you're not?

Me: Oh I am, I've got a rape dungeon and a freezer full of heads

Her: Ha. Well there you go plus you ski... so you know... :/

Me (I think this is where I lost it): Lol as far as I'm aware it's still impossible to physically reach someone through a phone so I wouldn't worry until we actually meet in person

Her: Look, clearly we both have different views on things. However I've been on the receiving end of calls on private numbers at 3am every night for a very fkn long time. That's not something I'd like to deal with again so I don't give out my number until I'm comfortable and at this rate from how our conversation has gone. I'm not so I don't appreciate you pushing it. Thanks. Not being a bitch but I'm saying it how it is. Take it or leave it.

(06-18-2015 08:42 PM)eradicator Wrote:  

(06-18-2015 04:29 PM)robreke Wrote:  Girl I banged good in April. Was reluctant to meet after first bang as she wanted to 'date a guy she had known who was her own age'

We've texted a few times on and off the past few months. I hit her up today after a 4 week hiatus and get warm responses and she's pinging me back questions instantly. I suggest it'd be nice to talk and catch up over coffee or a drink one night and after about 7 minutes she texts:

"I can see if I can squeeze you in"


I can think of some smart ass things to say but don't want to scare her off....she's quality ass.

Ideas?

I'd just go for logistics. I don't get why you are trying to catch up over drinks. Just tell her to come over on a weeknight, like 830 or 9pm.

^ Good point but the hang up with her is the cat is a bit wary for some reason. So, I'm trying to soothe the cat. By suggesting something like 'catching up' instead of just outright inviting her over, I'm letting her know I don't only think of her as a cheap whore.

We banged , incredible sex I might add, on the first date. She was skittish after this as some girls will be after a first date bang....maybe some feelings of being a slut for putting out so quick. So, I'm just trying to go easy now to get her back to my place.

As far as logistics, it will be a place close to my pad.


Update: to her "see if I can squeeze you in" I responded " k let me know when you figure it out"

A few hours later she responded "Tuesday" to which I followed up that I'd contact her after the weekend with the details. We'll see how it goes.

Sometimes I just dont know if Im being too harsh on girls vs trying to stay awake and aware of their little game.

I came back from a weekend away and texted my main to meet up soon since Im going away again during the week, and she is usually very excited to see me (we see each other 3-4 times per week) She had some visiting friends for the last couple days but she said they are leaving soon Tuesday night so we can meet up.

She was eager to meet up, but when I joked about "save your energy for tomorrow" she sent me a text saying "I dont want us to have sex"

She was a virgin before me. So I was thinking maybe its just her being retarded, so I played it cool, but my spider senses were tingling.

Then she texted me that she could no longer meet up with me because she had to go to dinner with her visiting friends.

I was having enough and just texted "ok"

She sent another text "Im very sorry it makes me really sad too"

Not sure if I should text back or radio silence, or play the drama card. Usually when I radio silence she always asked me if I was mad.

Part of me thinks that she really couldn't while part of me really screams there's no way I should tolerate this shit.

Thoughts gents?

Did she mention doing anything that night? It's quite odd how it went from "I don't want us to have sex" to "I can't meet up". Where's her effort to make it work for you. "I have dinner with friends earlier, but maybe we could meet afterward?" I'd feel weird about it too.

(06-22-2015 03:25 PM)~wrIghter~ Wrote:  Did she mention doing anything that night? It's quite odd how it went from "I don't want us to have sex" to "I can't meet up". Where's her effort to make it work for you. "I have dinner with friends earlier, but maybe we could meet afterward?" I'd feel weird about it too.

Yeah I corrected the previous post. She thought her visiting friends were leaving Tuesday evening so we can meet up that night (meaning tomorrow), then suddenly switch to "I have to have dinner with them"

Had her not been my main, an extremely sweet virgin, and her always meeting up with me on time before, I would have called bullshit immediately. This time its just plain odd, she doesn't even give a counter offer. I might be paranoid but I smell something isn't right here.

(06-22-2015 03:34 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 03:25 PM)~wrIghter~ Wrote:  Did she mention doing anything that night? It's quite odd how it went from "I don't want us to have sex" to "I can't meet up". Where's her effort to make it work for you. "I have dinner with friends earlier, but maybe we could meet afterward?" I'd feel weird about it too.

Yeah I corrected the previous post. She thought her visiting friends were leaving Tuesday evening so we can meet up that night (meaning tomorrow), then suddenly switch to "I have to have dinner with them"

Had her not been my main, an extremely sweet virgin, and her always meeting up with me on time before, I would have called bullshit immediately. This time its just plain odd, she doesn't even give a counter offer. I might be paranoid but I smell something isn't right here.

From her tone, she makes it seem like she's not in control of her decisions. Beta me would of said "Its okay babe, tell me how it goes." I think the best thing would be to go radio silent. If she's not trying to make any effort to catch up, then its something to think about.

(06-18-2015 04:29 PM)robreke Wrote:  "I can see if I can squeeze you in"


I can think of some smart ass things to say but don't want to scare her off....she's quality ass.

Ideas?

I'm a perverted but funny asshole, girls who text me know i'm like that so:

"I'll set that in stone***"
"You better set that in stone"
"Should I add lube ?"
"I didn't know we were doing anal ?"

But like others said, keep cool, logistics, and move on.

(06-22-2015 03:06 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  Sometimes I just dont know if Im being too harsh on girls vs trying to stay awake and aware of their little game.

I came back from a weekend away and texted my main to meet up soon since Im going away again during the week, and she is usually very excited to see me (we see each other 3-4 times per week) She had some visiting friends for the last couple days but she said they are leaving soon Tuesday night so we can meet up.

She was eager to meet up, but when I joked about "save your energy for tomorrow" she sent me a text saying "I dont want us to have sex"

She was a virgin before me. So I was thinking maybe its just her being retarded, so I played it cool, but my spider senses were tingling.

Then she texted me that she could no longer meet up with me because she had to go to dinner with her visiting friends.

I was having enough and just texted "ok"

She sent another text "Im very sorry it makes me really sad too"

Not sure if I should text back or radio silence, or play the drama card. Usually when I radio silence she always asked me if I was mad.

Part of me thinks that she really couldn't while part of me really screams there's no way I should tolerate this shit.

Thoughts gents?

Dalaran since I have a better understanding of your present situation, I'd play this cool, go silent on her, see how she reacts.

It IS odd she said " I don't want us to have sex" - but you need to remember that she's an inexperienced virgin with not much relationship experience.

She thinks her sex is love, while you might not think that. Just wait for her to re initiate contact.

I've never posted a specific text conversation. I read somewhere it's frowned upon because every girl is different. One thing that's true is the "games" women play to push off a meeting. I'd like a better handle on how to respond in these situations.

I dislike responding with this text in Bang:

Quote:I can't compete with your busy social calendar. Hit me up when you have some free time and want to grab a drink.

It's basically telling her, I'll let you lead. You can bet that 9 times out of 10, she will never get back to you.

Background: Coffee shop cafe on a Tuesday afternoon. Very, very sexy. Tall, slender. Looks like she could be a model. She's a foreign girl from Mideast, but grew up in the States. Instead of a completely cold approach, she was obviously new to the coffee shop and looking for an outlet for her computer. I walk over and ask, "Are you looking for an outlet?" I show her one of the hard-to-find outlets underneath the couch and we chat for about 15 minutes before I ask if she wants to hang out. I told some travel stories when I was in the Mideast. She asked me my name mid-conversation. A decent approach, but I didn't think I'd see her again. After all, my conversions from daygame to date hover around 25%.

When we met, I spelled her name right and that surprised her so I reference it in the first text.

On to the conversation...

Me [Friday 6:06 pm]: hey (name) with an "f and an h" its jon. how are you?
Her [Friday 11:59 pm]: Oh my gosh, hello!
Me [Saturday 1:12 pm]: hey. want to hang out sometime next week.
Me [Saturday 1:12 pm]: friends are doing (large street party) today.

She doesn't respond. I send a last ditch "saw your twin" the following day.

Me [Sunday 6:05 pm]: you have a twin here I saw. she had body paint on!

The large street party is known for people wearing body paint. But I guess she wasn't familiar with it.

Her [Sunday 10:19 pm]: Lol what? Where here and why did she have body paint?
Her [Sunday 10:20 pm]: Also this week is a bit difficult bc of studying, I'll be at the cafe prob first week of July!

Today is Monday and I'm not sure how to play it. Feels like a flake. Here are ideas.

1. [Be firm] Drinks, tomorrow. 8 pm. Uptown bar. (Offer on Tuesday for next day)
2. [Be responsive] Because of large street party. Let's grab an adult beverage after you've studied for the day—i'm open on wednesday.
3. [Be playful] It was someone like this (Send her a picture I took of a body painted person. Wait for her response and then msg her for a drink this week).
4. [Be accommodating] How about we do a drink early next week before I go away for July 4th.
   

(06-22-2015 04:27 PM)Jagnum Wrote:  I've never posted a specific text conversation. I read somewhere it's frowned upon because every girl is different. One thing that's true is the "games" women play to push off a meeting. I'd like a better handle on how to respond in these situations.

It's frowned upon to ask how to game a very specific girl in situations where you're stuck on HER. It's not frowned upon to post a specific conversation/situation where you'd like some help calibrating or with a specific aspect of game.

(06-22-2015 04:27 PM)Jagnum Wrote:  

1. [Be firm] Drinks, tomorrow. 8 pm. Uptown bar. (Offer on Tuesday for next day)
2. [Be responsive] Because of large street party. Let's grab an adult beverage after you've studied for the day—i'm open on wednesday.
3. [Be playful] It was someone like this (Send her a picture I took of a body painted person. Wait for her response and then msg her for a drink this week).
4. [Be accommodating] How about we do a drink early next week before I go away for July 4th.
   

Be direct and use statements. I'd go with accomodating yet direct.

"K. I'm leaving for the 4th of July. Get ahead on your studying then let's get drinks x day/time"

You can word it differently, but be direct and use statements, not questions. She can always ask to modify plans and it's much better than you asking to make plans.

I got this girls number recently. She's puerto rican and super cute and sexy but young and she's got that ADD complex like every other 18 y/o girl. We've been texting and I'm not a big txted so I've been trying to get her on the phone. I called her once late at night and she was smoking weed with her friends. She told me she'd call me back and she txted me around 4 am asking if I was awake. I called her last night and she didn't pick up. The phone rang twice and it went straight to voicemail. I've been busy and haven't responded right away to her. What should I send her to re-initiate conversation? I want to hook her again. She's kind of a ghetto chick by the way she talks and i can talk like that too but it's not me.

Btw, roosh...you need an app

Flake text me, apologizing for being rude yesterday. She mentions a show being tonight in her 2nd text. My plan is to go radio silent and maybe shoot for another time (something more personal and convenient for myself). Any alternate ideas?

Got drunk last night and messaged an ex-FWB to come over. She turned me down so I just deleted her number.

Today I get a text from her. Convo goes like this.

Her: "Lol what was the occasion that got you drunk texting me? "
Me: "Hah, got smashed at (bar name) with friends. Was feeling horny after."
Her: "Lol I kinda figured you were horny."
Me: "Shame on you for not coming with."
Her: "Haha I was having fun where I was thanks" (she was at a night club with a guy that she likes and is currently sleeping with. She went home with him last night).

I am sure there's something witty I can say in response but I am stuck.

8=========D

Hey guys, first post in a while. Been out of the game for a bit working a neck injury, but today I got the digits of a cutie that works at a gas station near me. Been getting some eyes from her for a week or so (I gas up and buy smokes almost daily), and today was the first day I could ask her number w/o managers or other customers around.

The approach went like this: gassed up and went inside for gum and a bottle of water. She rang me up and handed me a reciept; I said "You should put your number on this" and put it down on the counter. She did.

Ran some other errands and texted her. Props to McQueen for a couple of my texts, which I copied from some of his posts I remembered.

Me: whats up its Jack the hot guy that just got your number

Her: Hahaha hello x3

Me: we should hang out what u doing tuesday

Her: I'm off, but I have to get my food card and after that I'm probably gunna kick it with my bf and play video games all day (: Wbu

Me: sounds like an absolute blast
u should come over and have a drink w me when url done w all that

Her: For sure ^-^ beats working. Lol honey. I'm only 19. I can't drink :o

Me: says who

Her: Most cops haha.

Me: see that why I invited u and not the cops

Her: Haha. I'll forsure think about it.

Misspellings, bad grammar, and smilies are sic throughout.

For the record, I'm 37, though I can pass for early thirties.

I'm not terribly concerned about this particular chick, but she's cute and clearly interested, and I could use a slump-buster. I'd like to hear the forum's thoughts on how to proceed, in this case, and in general with situations like this. What's good about this exchange, what's bad about it, where to take it from here to get the bang.

This is with a girl I've already been on a date with.

Me: Yeah it's a tough life sometimes ?
Are you free Wednesday or Thursday night next week? I've got a glass of wine with your name on it.

Her: Hmm have plans weds with a friend, and thurs is my half day but will probably stay for the twilight theatre list. Tues?

Me: Tuesday works, 8.30pm?

Her : Sure. How about X bar?

Me: Nah, the wines better at my place and comes with complimentary Netflix.

Her: Mhm I don't know you well enough to hang out at your place.


How can I play this to get her to my place?

First date with this girl last thurs. Things went really well, got her back to my place and sealed the deal. Afterwards she left /w no awkwardness or anything. I dig her and want to hang again.

Next day i sent a standard-ish day after bang text
me: hey i had a great time last night. enjoy the weekend!
her: yeah me too thanks. you too!

(few days later)
me: hey whatsup <name> how u doin?


No response (been a day). I'm tempted to drop a "drinks weds?" line but that prob comes off as desperate. i figure i dont have much to lose at this point though. thoughts?

(06-29-2015 03:44 AM)Roardog Wrote:  This is with a girl I've already been on a date with.

Me: Yeah it's a tough life sometimes ?
Are you free Wednesday or Thursday night next week? I've got a glass of wine with your name on it.

Her: Hmm have plans weds with a friend, and thurs is my half day but will probably stay for the twilight theatre list. Tues?

Me: Tuesday works, 8.30pm?

Her : Sure. How about X bar?

Me: Nah, the wines better at my place and comes with complimentary Netflix.

Her: Mhm I don't know you well enough to hang out at your place.


How can I play this to get her to my place?

"Fine X bar but your inner somelier / wine snob is gonna regret it"

2nd date should be an almost guaranteed bang, if you've got even a little game. When you put your dick on the chopping block like that and they give a soft rejection, its usually pretty easy to get it in as long as you play the rejection like no big deal. After the date you can either try to get her back to your place or be more proactive and offer to pick her up for the date only to use the classic can I use your bathroom line. Persisting too much about coming over seems needy and outcome dependent.

(06-29-2015 10:45 PM)HenrySprinkler Wrote:  

(06-29-2015 03:44 AM)Roardog Wrote:  This is with a girl I've already been on a date with.

Me: Yeah it's a tough life sometimes ?
Are you free Wednesday or Thursday night next week? I've got a glass of wine with your name on it.

Her: Hmm have plans weds with a friend, and thurs is my half day but will probably stay for the twilight theatre list. Tues?

Me: Tuesday works, 8.30pm?

Her : Sure. How about X bar?

Me: Nah, the wines better at my place and comes with complimentary Netflix.

Her: Mhm I don't know you well enough to hang out at your place.


How can I play this to get her to my place?

"Fine X bar but your inner somelier / wine snob is gonna regret it"

2nd date should be an almost guaranteed bang, if you've got even a little game. When you put your dick on the chopping block like that and they give a soft rejection, its usually pretty easy to get it in as long as you play the rejection like no big deal. After the date you can either try to get her back to your place or be more proactive and offer to pick her up for the date only to use the classic can I use your bathroom line. Persisting too much about coming over seems needy and outcome dependent.

I went with the below.

Me: Damn I didn't realise I was wearing my serial killer cologne on our first date haha

Her: Serial killer until proven otherwise...
Her: Like ectopic pregnancy until proven otherwise... (This is some kind of med joke, she's a doctor)

Me: Ah a med joke, I be other doctors find you hilarious :-P
I prefer the presumption of innocence. However I promise I'll hide all my severed heads even though they're not as gross as cadavers


No reply to that text and it's been almost a day. Did I push it too much trying to convince her?
Our date is supposed to be in a few hours, should I just hit her up with a confirmation text agreeing to the bar or just stay silent and restart in a few days?

What do you guys do if after a first date, you send a message to meet up again but there's no response? Normally, I'd probably move on but this chick is hot and based on the 1st date and our previous communication, it may be that she's too busy/lukewarm but another message might get her out.

Met her on Tinder and it took close to 3 weeks before meeting up. She would go 1-2 days before responding to texts and I would respond in kind. At one point, there was close to a 1 week gap before her responding and I sent a "From now on, I'm calling you ____ the "phantom." " She apologized and said she's been crazy busy with work etc. I didn't even think I'd get her out at all.

The date was okay, nothing spectacular. I dropped her off at the train station and she said she had a lot of fun. The then texted me saying thanks for the ride, I said good night and she responded good night as well. I texted her 2 days later saying we should get together again and asked her when she's free. No response.

Would you guys send a ping/feeler message unrelated to getting together - and if so, what would you send? Or would you just send a to-the-point message saying you'd like to get together but if she's not down, that's cool too.

^ Based on this story, I wouldn't expect a response back. Plenty of first dates don't work out, and considering she hasn't answered that text, it sounds like she's not interested anymore. She may still respond at some point, but double-texting in this situation shows her that you're too invested. Maybe don't delete her number, and send her a random restart message (funny/cool picture, for example) in a few weeks. Other than that, next!

Also, did you kiss her? I have never had a second date with a girl who I didn't at least kiss on the first date. It's 2015 - kissing on the first date is basically mandatory from both her and my perspective, especially from a Tinder girl.

(06-30-2015 01:43 AM)Roardog Wrote:  

(06-29-2015 10:45 PM)HenrySprinkler Wrote:  

(06-29-2015 03:44 AM)Roardog Wrote:  This is with a girl I've already been on a date with.

Me: Yeah it's a tough life sometimes ?
Are you free Wednesday or Thursday night next week? I've got a glass of wine with your name on it.

Her: Hmm have plans weds with a friend, and thurs is my half day but will probably stay for the twilight theatre list. Tues?

Me: Tuesday works, 8.30pm?

Her : Sure. How about X bar?

Me: Nah, the wines better at my place and comes with complimentary Netflix.

Her: Mhm I don't know you well enough to hang out at your place.


How can I play this to get her to my place?

"Fine X bar but your inner somelier / wine snob is gonna regret it"

2nd date should be an almost guaranteed bang, if you've got even a little game. When you put your dick on the chopping block like that and they give a soft rejection, its usually pretty easy to get it in as long as you play the rejection like no big deal. After the date you can either try to get her back to your place or be more proactive and offer to pick her up for the date only to use the classic can I use your bathroom line. Persisting too much about coming over seems needy and outcome dependent.

I went with the below.

Me: Damn I didn't realise I was wearing my serial killer cologne on our first date haha

Her: Serial killer until proven otherwise...
Her: Like ectopic pregnancy until proven otherwise... (This is some kind of med joke, she's a doctor)

Me: Ah a med joke, I be other doctors find you hilarious :-P
I prefer the presumption of innocence. However I promise I'll hide all my severed heads even though they're not as gross as cadavers


No reply to that text and it's been almost a day. Did I push it too much trying to convince her?
Our date is supposed to be in a few hours, should I just hit her up with a confirmation text agreeing to the bar or just stay silent and restart in a few days?

I didn't bother following up with her and went and banged a plate instead.
Then 45 minutes before our date was supposed to happen she sends me the below:

Her: Roardog, I just opened up my work email, and I have an interview in two days which I need to prepare for now. Sorry, I'll need to raincheck

Think I'll give her one more chance and hit her up next week.

(06-30-2015 10:21 PM)Roardog Wrote:  I didn't bother following up with her and went and banged a plate instead.
Then 45 minutes before our date was supposed to happen she sends me the below:

Her: Roardog, I just opened up my work email, and I have an interview in two days which I need to prepare for now. Sorry, I'll need to raincheck

Think I'll give her one more chance and hit her up next week.

Yah I think you pushed too hard seeming greedy/needy. Second date like I said is an easy bang with even a little game. Think about it 3rd date is socially acceptable guaranteed bang for most women. And that's if a guy essentially has no game whatsoever. You don't need her to come right to your house to fuck her on a second date.

Basically pushing and compliance go like this

You push she accepts A+ (alpha baller)

You push, she rejects, you play it cool, and push again later A+ (wants sex / dominant, but has the abundance to not need it)

You push, she rejects, you keep pushing F - (needy/greedy/she doesn't feel special)

You don't push F - (beta bitch, you can help her pick out the lip gloss that's going to be wrapped around some other dudes dick)

(06-30-2015 10:45 PM)HenrySprinkler Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 10:21 PM)Roardog Wrote:  I didn't bother following up with her and went and banged a plate instead.
Then 45 minutes before our date was supposed to happen she sends me the below:

Her: Roardog, I just opened up my work email, and I have an interview in two days which I need to prepare for now. Sorry, I'll need to raincheck

Think I'll give her one more chance and hit her up next week.

Yah I think you pushed too hard seeming greedy/needy. Second date like I said is an easy bang with even a little game. Think about it 3rd date is socially acceptable guaranteed bang for most women. And that's if a guy essentially has no game whatsoever. You don't need her to come right to your house to fuck her on a second date.

Basically pushing and compliance go like this

You push she accepts A+ (alpha baller)

You push, she rejects, you play it cool, and push again later A+ (wants sex / dominant, but has the abundance to not need it)

You push, she rejects, you keep pushing F - (needy/greedy/she doesn't feel special)

You don't push F - (beta bitch, you can help her pick out the lip gloss that's going to be wrapped around some other dudes dick)

Agreed, I should have let it drop when she rejected the idea and tried to get her home from the date. I also didn't make it clear with my opener that it would be at my house thereby giving her the chance to suggest a venue.
Normally I would go with something like "Are you free Wednesday or Thursday night next week? I've got a bottle of wine I've been wanting to open and there is a glass with your name on it."
Something that clearly but subtly indicates it was at my house. I feel that by countering her offer with an obvious offer of my house in this instance I surprised her, raised ASD and so got the rejection.

When I hit her up again I'm not sure if I should try for my house again or just go for another public date.

(06-30-2015 11:42 AM)RDF Wrote:  ^ Based on this story, I wouldn't expect a response back. Plenty of first dates don't work out, and considering she hasn't answered that text, it sounds like she's not interested anymore. She may still respond at some point, but double-texting in this situation shows her that you're too invested. Maybe don't delete her number, and send her a random restart message (funny/cool picture, for example) in a few weeks. Other than that, next!

Also, did you kiss her? I have never had a second date with a girl who I didn't at least kiss on the first date. It's 2015 - kissing on the first date is basically mandatory from both her and my perspective, especially from a Tinder girl.

Thanks for the reply.

No I didn't kiss her. Was the only tinder date I've had where I didn't try to make out with the chick.

I let her break my frame early on. We were talking about bad dates and she said this guy once tried to get super sexual on their first date and tried to invite her to his room. She then later said that sex talk should be reserved for people who are dating. I played it PG and added kino here and there but avoided any sexual and avoided kissing her. I don't think that was the right play anymore.

(07-01-2015 02:07 AM)Roardog Wrote:  When I hit her up again I'm not sure if I should try for my house again or just go for another public date.

The problem is both are bad options. If you invite her out somewhere you basically caved and now look really needy, frantically grasping at whatever will please her. If you go for house again you have maintained the dominant do what the fuck you want frame, but it didn't work before so what are the chances it works now.

In this instance I actually think going for the house meetup is the play but....... I think there's a better option.

Tell her you and some friends are going out to do something fun and invite her along. Then when she comes say your friends bailed early. Be unapologetic and even subtly imply that you are a trickster. Then at least you got her out and your game can shine

Is this ideal? No but I think the chance of success is higher than your other two options.