Post: #276

Sorry if this is a dumb question but how is the coup going to fail if the entire military is taking over? Turkey's military is pretty sophisticated. This isn't the Iraqi army. Also, aren't most Turks against hardcore Islamists like Erdogan?

Post: #277

(07-15-2016 06:36 PM)greekgod Wrote:  I'm trying to wrap my head around this.

If this is US-Deep State backed, which is very well could be, it means they see the writing on the wall and want to cut their losses on the ISIS experiment. They know Trump is going to win and want to get ahead of it. Their pets have caused too much instability and its beginning to come home. They don't like this. It also eliminates Erogdan's ability to out them.

If its Russian backed/US opposed, well thats not good.

If both support it, its a message to Saudi Arabia to get the fuck in line ASAP.

If its none, well, that scares the shit out of me.

Crazy shit.

This is a sign of things to come. Many of the establishment will turn-coat and jump on the Trump train if/when he wins.

Post: #278

Bomb hits Turkish Parliament

Post: #279

(07-15-2016 06:41 PM)Space Cowboy Wrote:  

(07-15-2016 06:36 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  Stop doing the work of the enemy, exercise some resevation before spreading disinfo.

Wait, are you hitching your bandwagon to either side of this shit show? Who is the enemy, exactly?

The enemy is obviously the islamist Erdogan.

Post: #280

(07-15-2016 06:41 PM)Space Cowboy Wrote:  

(07-15-2016 06:36 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  Stop doing the work of the enemy, exercise some resevation before spreading disinfo.

Wait, are you hitching your bandwagon to either side of this shit show? Who is the enemy, exactly?

Erdogan who is a pro-Isis scum Islamist leader.

Post: #281

Some sources claim its not the entire military couping, only a small part. Hard to tell what is real truth.

Post: #282

(07-15-2016 06:36 PM)greekgod Wrote:  It also eliminates Erogdan's ability to out them.

Not necessarily, and I don't think he ever would, he has way too much to risk snitching.

(07-15-2016 06:36 PM)greekgod Wrote:  If its Russian backed/US opposed, well thats not good.

It would be good, they were mending relations with Russia recently also. Why ? Because it gives Russia a foothold into the west. After all Turkey is the link between east and west.

Of course the odds of this happening or very low, not to mention US Turkey based nukes still there since the cold war.

(07-15-2016 06:36 PM)greekgod Wrote:  If both support it, its a message to Saudi Arabia to get the fuck in line ASAP.

Doubt that also, Turkey has had a few coups, this is just another one by the military whose sick of Erdogan.

(07-15-2016 06:36 PM)greekgod Wrote:  If its none, well, that scares the shit out of me.

Crazy shit.

That does scare me also, but more than likely its the military wanting Erdogan out. If they succeed it'd be a great thing.

Erdogan is a fucking scumbag.

Post: #283

(07-15-2016 06:42 PM)Surreyman Wrote:  

(07-15-2016 06:36 PM)greekgod Wrote:  I'm trying to wrap my head around this.

If this is US-Deep State backed, which is very well could be, it means they see the writing on the wall and want to cut their losses on the ISIS experiment. They know Trump is going to win and want to get ahead of it. Their pets have caused too much instability and its beginning to come home. They don't like this. It also eliminates Erogdan's ability to out them.

If its Russian backed/US opposed, well thats not good.

If both support it, its a message to Saudi Arabia to get the fuck in line ASAP.

If its none, well, that scares the shit out of me.

Crazy shit.

This is a sign of things to come. Many of the establishment will turn-coat and jump on the Trump train if/when he wins.

Yep, basically if the instability comes home and people no longer trust your ability to protect, your strangehold on power is on a countdown to zero. An overthrow could stem from such a situation. Meaning their sweet deal of MIC goes out the window when they are undermined by their own retardation. This is a prudent move.

Post: #284

(07-15-2016 06:37 PM)rottenapple Wrote:  If you are gonna do a coup, would you not do it at a point when you know exactly where the president is and how to take him into custody within first hours? Off course he has secret service agents at all time with him, but they should not be a match for army soldiers. The fact that people don't even seem to know where he is is confusing to be.

There also exists the possibility of loyalist forces or even paid agents within the military giving the present rulers a "heads up" of any impending action against their regime. The timeline of such could be measured in minutes before Erdogan's detail got word and made a move to get him out. The priorities are lock down the borders and the airports to secure the battlespace, then grab the media to secure the flow of information.

Post: #285

NATO's chief is now calling to "respect the democratic institutions of Turkey."

Post: #286

delete: trying not to talk as much shit...

Post: #287

(07-15-2016 06:50 PM)Libertas Wrote:  NATO's chief is now calling to "respect the democratic institutions of Turkey."

Post: #288

(07-15-2016 06:37 PM)rottenapple Wrote:  If you are gonna do a coup, would you not do it at a point when you know exactly where the president is and how to take him into custody within first hours? Off course he has secret service agents at all time with him, but they should not be a match for army soldiers. The fact that people don't even seem to know where he is is confusing to be.

Panic room > secret corridor > underground passageway > airfield > airborne = beach in Hawaii.

Post: #289

I've been scouring the news media outlets and no one really can give us a clear picture.

But this is the key thing as I see it:

Erodogan is broadcasting from some remote location. He's calling on his imam flunkies and Islamist rabble to save his lying ass. He's calling on the "people" to take to the streets.

If he's doing that, then that's his last card to play. In coups, the last card for the person being overthrown is to call for either:

1. Trade union strikes
2. Public mass demonstrations

So that means Erdogan has lost the military, and has lost control of key nodes of power in Ankara and Istanbul. This has been planned for many months. The airborne, armored, and special forces units are in the hands of the coup plotters.

Erdogan has no guns and is playing his last card: public demonstrations and chaos.

The US and Israel may cut off the finances and may freeze assets. But I think that as long as the military can hold on for another day, they will likely see victory.

Pray hard.

Post: #290

(07-15-2016 06:38 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

(07-15-2016 06:36 PM)kaotic Wrote:  1. Stop making assumptions
2. Source your posts if you do
3. No shit posting
4. Assume everything is BS
5. Grab your popcorn

Happy Friday !

Yep, people, particularly those of you with few posts, do not shit post, do not link uncritically or claim wild internet speculation as 'sources'.

Do not drag down the quality of discussion. This is not Twitter or Facebook.

Post: #291

Many reports of attack helicopters bombing the parliament building
https://t.co/qG1FGtE87Y

Post: #292

(07-15-2016 06:52 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  Pray hard.

Obama will back Erdogan. Count on it.

Post: #293

There's a Turkish government plane of the Gulfstream 4 type circling in the airspace south west of Istanbul for quite a while now.
It departed from Dalaman Airport close to Marmaris, where so far the last known location of Erdogan was:

https://www.flightradar24.com/THY8456/a5a3952

Post: #294

Obama already issued statement supporting "democratically elected government"

Post: #295

(07-15-2016 06:53 PM)LeeEnfield303 Wrote:  

(07-15-2016 06:52 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  Pray hard.

Obama will back Erdogan. Count on it.

They are the US's biggest non-western allies, of course he will.

Post: #296

(07-15-2016 06:52 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  I've been scouring the news media outlets and no one really can give us a clear picture.

But this is the key thing as I see it:

Erodogan is broadcasting from some remote location. He's calling on his imam flunkies and Islamist rabble to save his lying ass. He's calling on the "people" to take to the streets.

If he's doing that, then that's his last card to play. In coups, the last card for the person being overthrown is to call for either:

1. Trade union strikes
2. Public mass demonstrations

So that means Erdogan has lost the military, and has lost control of key nodes of power in Ankara and Istanbul. This has been planned for many months. The airborne, armored, and special forces units are in the hands of the coup plotters.

Erdogan has no guns and is playing his last card: public demonstrations and chaos.

The US and Israel may cut off the finances and may freeze assets. But I think that as long as the military can hold on for another day, they will likely see victory.

Pray hard.

I sincerily hope so, but some of the videos are discouraging, but we should also probably realize you can't just gun down protesters these days, the fact the military is not gunning them down does not necessarily mean failure.

Post: #297

https://twitter.com/agirecudi

At least following buildings in Ankara bombed:

Parliament
Ministry of Interior
Intelligence
Armed Forces HQ
Police HQ
Other Army buildings

Post: #298

Sky News reporting Turkish state television TRT now back on the air.

It looks like this coup does have serious force, but doesn't have the unified support of the entire Turkish Armed Forces.

Post: #299

If you guys are interested, you can track Erdogan's plane. Looks to be descending.

https://www.flightradar24.com/THY8456/a5a3952

Post: #300

(07-15-2016 07:03 PM)HighSpeed_LowDrag Wrote:  Sky News reporting Turkish state television TRT now back on the air.

It looks like this coup does have serious force, but doesn't have the unified support of the entire Turkish Armed Forces.

It is confusing, but if this was really just a small part of the army, wouldn't it have been squashed by the rest of the military?