Well, they tried, but I guess they didn't try calling ahead to see if he was at the hotel.

Let's hope it becomes a full blown civil war with as many male warriors casualties on both sides as possible.

It's time for Europe to take back Constantinople / Byzantium / Istanbul and kick the Turks back to the Oguz region in Central Asia, where they came from.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire

http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0716/802799-turkey-coup/

90 dead, the majority were civilians, 1154 wounded and 1563 detained.
Also, why would you bomb an empty parliament? This reminds me of when hitler burned down the parliament and then blamed the comunists for it. I don't want to doubt the good effort of the turkish military but come on, Erdogan could come out of this with more power and more consent.

edit: parliament wasn't empty, but still that's a suspicious move.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/6900...bed-Ankara

Am I the only one who nowdays follows news mainly from this forum?

Shitty coup. 2/10.

(07-16-2016 02:58 AM)Il Sorpasso Wrote:  http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0716/802799-turkey-coup/

90 dead, the majority were civilians, 1154 wounded and 1563 detained.
Also, why would you bomb an empty parliament? This reminds me of when hitler burned down the parliament and then blamed the comunists for it. I don't want to doubt the good effort of the turkish military but come on, Erdogan could come out of this with more power and more consent.

Oh Erdogan's power will increase for sure. Probably gonna go after all kurds now.

Military purges didn't work out all that well for Stalin, so there's a small silver lining to this.

AneroidOcean Wrote:What the hell is going on with Turkey. How can a country with the technological infrastructure to stream high quality video have so many men acting like deranged savages?

SamuelBRoberts Wrote:The average IQ in Turkey is 90. A normal student there would be considered slightly slow here. A person of below average intellect in Turkey, we would consider retarded.

and better schools or universities dont make them smarter, they just feel bad and rationalize they are victims, become angry for failing. I got a lot of experience with Turkish people in institutions. And they cheat as much as possible, try to take positions to help the professor to steal tests for all their friends.

Once I wrote a comment about incest in Islam which makes them a lot more stupid and often schizophrenic. That's worse in other Muslim countries, but the anatolian Turkish in germany are at least at 30%.

most of the people jumping tanks are just fucking angry animals. that could be happening in Germany too.

They totally look like that when they demonstrate for erdogan here or when they attack the kurds, I find it pretty cowardly that some often make the first hit or attack and then hide far away from the front of what's happening, that shows these specific people have special needs. they always talk about honor, but will never live to show it.

I also know intelligent, secular Turkish people who don't like Islam. these people stay in their houses, because they are not retarded fanatics.

There are no real news anymore, just propaganda.

If the new developments are true then I see it staged to give erdogan more power they already talk about more than 1000 captured soldiers and bringing back death penalty.

I really hope it's still propaganda like last night.

Quote: Unconfirmed: Captured Coup-Soldiers claim that their commander told to them it was "Training" not a "Coup" they also claim that they had no idea what was going on untill People tried to attack them.

Quote: 1374 members of the armed forces taken into custody over coup attempt, Turkey's justice ministry says.

Quote: Public institutions send sms messages to citizens asking them take to the streets and stand by democracy, President, and the government.

Poor planning by the coup ringleaders. If you want to wrest control of a country from an administration that commands significant support from the population, the first thing on your to-do list should be to arrest or kill the country's top leaders. This demonstrates decisiveness and curbs the will of the people to resist the coup and risk their lives for a leader who is either dead or incapacitated. There are numerous historical examples for this, with both successful and unsuccessful coups - Valkyrie coup against Hitler in 1944, Soviet hardliners' coup in 1991, Gaddafi's coming to power in 1969 - just to name a few.

What happened here is that as soon as the people saw on that broadcast that Erdogan is alive and well, they went to the streets and confronted the military. From then on it was just a matter of time before the coup failed.

Erdogan's PR boost from this will be massive. He can now proclaim himself the new Ottoman Sultan. I doubt many of those who supported him this night on the streets would mind.

You can have all the fancy military kit in the world but if you have no will to use that firepower you might as well stay home and await your fate.

The US MSM took the first chance they had to go back to discussing Nice. Read into that what you will. Who knows.

If the US Army throw a coup, they certainly wouldn't lose to police forces.

Whats up with that? Why does the Polis have so much power in Turkey?

(07-15-2016 08:37 PM)TheSlayer Wrote:  Interesting comment form Reddit:

Quote:I was watching a movie with my mother in my house in Ankara, which is rather close to the Turkish Army Headquarters and the Presidential palace, and I started noticing the unusual number of airplanes flying over our house. Then the helicopters followed. I opened up the turkish social media, and we found out that a part of the army had blocked the bridges in Istanbul. Internet slowly started to slow down, and quickly the social media was unavailable.

We opened up news channels, they were talking about the "coup d'etat" and the turkish state television was seized. They did a quick broadcast, taking the exact same lines from the 1980 coup d'etat, and the broadcast ended.

We started hearing small weapon gunshots, then heavy ones (like from helicopters). We decided not to go out and the moment when I reached my phone to talk about it with my friends, a huge sound of explosion shattered every window of our appartement. For 3 hours, airplanes flew VERY low, we heard something like 3-4 explosions.

These are the facts, unbiased. Now, I really need to vent it out. When Civil war began in Yemen, the first thing the President did was to flee from the country. Why did Erdogan did not flee? The first thing he said, was : "this is a plot from Fethullah Gulen (his rival), the army are trying to take on the democracy. I ask the people to go out and stand in front of the army, in front of the tanks etc". The muezzins used minarets to call for holy war.

There is an impending economical crisis over Turkey, similar to the American one. Houses are built everywhere, they are given to people who cannot afford to buy them. Erdogan will use this to blame them (secular army, Fethullah) for the crisis, and will be even more bold and push his Islamist agenda even further. I really hope this won't be buried down

This has been weighing on my mind all day before I arrived home to check out the feed here.

My gut was telling me that this was a honey trap for anti-Erdogan forces to draw themselves out and be crushed.

The people taking to the streets so suddenly and violently against a traditionally revered armed forces immediately had the seeming of an organised response. Straight away I was thinking "Erdogan the Islamist has speed dialled his cleric buddies and mobilised the Mohammedean demographic." In reality they were probably on stand-by.

This would have been an insider job by one or two trusted military men who agitated a coup designed to fail. As for the mobs attacking what would be known as a generally secular army, my sense is that the constant capitulation of western rulers to all things Islam has emboldened much of the people of muslim lands to give in to their tribal bloodlust and get on board with what seems to be a winning team.

In any case, unless this coup makes a spectacular comeback we can assume that all secular members of the Turkish armed forces will be purged and we will once again see a hardcore Islamist regime in Turkey.

More and more it seems like the globalist elite are planning on subjugating the world under the conformist authoritarian religion of islam. People of the lands of Christendom ought to prepare themselves to fight what is shaping up to be the war for the very soul of the human race.

It is still too early to jump to conclusions.


This coup is likely orchestrated by Gulen, and that guy has money and influence (basically, he created Erdogan, which turned against him a few years ago).

(07-15-2016 03:27 PM)RaccoonFace Wrote:  Is it possible that the coup is actually pro-American and is happening because Erdogan tried to reconcile with Russia?

Edit: Military declared that they have seized power.

I would say the opposite.

It's payback time from Russia, doing the same Americans did in Ukraine.

Looks like a group of rebels captured a frigate at a major naval base. They are said to be holding hostage the head of the Turkish navy.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/...ilty-of-t/
https://www.rt.com/news/351583-turkey-fl...p-frigate/

Also:

A Turkish military helicopter has landed in northern Greece where its crew has requested political asylum.

Local reports suggest the crew are part of the faction of the Turkish military that attempted to overthrow President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s government in a coup on Friday night.

Greece’s defence ministry has confirmed seven military personnel and one civilian landed in a Blackhawk military helicopter in Alexandroupoli and requested asylum.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/...40431.html

German "Focus" source (I sum it up) :

Erdogan had holidays and was in Marmaris, his hotel was attacked in a dilettantic way. by air and ground 9 wounded 2 police officers dead.

now
265 Tote(dead) , 1440 Verletzte(injured)
2839 Offiziere festgenommen (captured higher ranked military men, not lowest level soldiers?!)

claims that 90% of Turkey is save from the coup military

8 coup military people landed in Greece with a helicopter and ask for asylum, they are under arrest now, Turkey orders extradition.

in gölcük coup military captured a Fregatte and the fleet commodore. (claimed by Greek military)


http://m.focus.de/politik/ausland/milita...35674.html

Edit :
short translation erdogan makes a statement :Allah blessed turkey, this coup has something good because now they can purge the military / turkey, because everything needs to be clean.

"13.10 Uhr: Erdogan hat am Samstagmorgen auf dem Atatürk-Flughafen in Istanbul ein Statement zum Putschversuch abgegeben. Dabei sagte er: "Im Sinne von 'alles hat auch etwas Gutes' ist dieser Aufstand, diese Bewegung letztendlich ein Segen Gottes. Warum ein Segen Gottes? Diese Bewegung ist eine, die als Anlass dazu dienen wird, dass unsere Streitkräfte, die vollkommen rein sein müssen, gesäubert werden.""

This is a great way to flood EU with even more refugees...

(07-16-2016 03:25 AM)PowerGame Wrote:  but the anatolian Turkish in germany are at least at 30%.

And what kind of Turks do you think you are getting in germany? The cream of the crop? Who can be degenerate enough to be willing to make a living in such a crappy country... even freaking Iraki/Syrian refugees are asking to get back to their war-torn countries rather than stay there...

In whose interests is it to see a Islamist Turkey rather than a secular one? This feels a bit like Game of Thrones when the religious fanatics take control of Casterly Rock, the political capital of Westeros, and while the guys at the top are riling the masses for their own purposes it's a dangerous game that can fast spiral out of hand.

Bit of a bummer.

Erdogan is going to descend even further into his Islamist madness now. Very bad for the region, and by extension Europe.

   
   
   

^"Clean up in isle 6."

Considering the force it would take to bend rebar reinforced concrete in an open setting like that, I can't even begin to imagine what weapons like that would do to human bodies.

This is surely Erdogan's Reichstag fire, the implications of which being no less grand.

Now for the purges