(07-10-2016 02:25 PM)rw95 Wrote:  

(07-10-2016 12:29 PM)syrianguy Wrote:  Obama knows exactly what he's doing. He uses the same rethoric for Islamic attacks. Victim complex is a powerful corrupter of the human spirit as you always feel slighted and there is no real justice only bloody revenge. Muslims are indoctrinated this way since birth. Sad to see blacks in the US and Canada fall to the same disease of mind. Especially since we live in a time where they have more rights and freedom than any point in history. if you want to see systematic discrimination have blacks try their luck in the middle east, they will be treated like dirt. That's the reality in any non western countries. Have you seen how cops operate there? Just look in Africa and see how cops treat poor uncooperative African men. Just recently Syrian kid sami yateem got shot like 10 times for holding a pocket knife inside a vacant Street car in Toronto. Nobody could cry racism because he was white as a snowman, if he were a black kid you know what the narrative would be. Reality is you act a fool with a cop you are bound to face consequences.

Slightly off topic, but I cannot understand why any self-respecting black person would ever be a Muslim, considering most Muslims hate black people and the fact that the Arab slave trade was many times worse than the European slave trade ever was.

It's just part of the Marxist brainwashing that I talked about before.

Many American blacks (and whites, as well) literally think the entire world is divided up into white, black, Arab, Latino, and Asian.

And from there, it's further simplified into white people vs. everyone else.

Whites are the only ones that are racist, wage war, had slaves, committed genocide, etc. etc. and everyone else is just these peaceful "brown" people trying to survive.

In short, many American blacks see Arab Muslims as their fellow oppressed "brown" people, who are just trying to get the evil Europeans to stop waging endless Crusades on them.

Most of them have never actually interacted with Arab or other foreign Muslims, and only have experience with other black American Muslims who were born and raised in the US.

Note: Many black American Muslims actually believe that white people were created in a cave by an evil scientist, "Yakub", by the way -- but this was mostly a very fringe movement until recently.

Obviously all of this is so absurd that it's basically an alternate version of reality.

But that's how deep the brainwashing goes.

This is why I mentioned earlier that it's not a white vs. black thing. When you consider that many young Americans believe whites are the sole source of all problems and violence in the history of the world, it's actually a miracle that more whites in America haven't been killed.

A few final thoughts.

The problems facing the US (as I see it) are more social problems than they are "race" problems.

Stop focusing on race...that is mostly a distraction. The real problem is social and economic.

We're seeing the effects of a real corrosion and disintegration of public morals, and a lack of discipline across all sectors of society.

1. The huge income disparities in the US have reached levels that are unsustainable. The society is in danger of plunging into social conflict and severe stratification because we have a greedy, selfish ruling class (the 0.5% who runs the show) that will not accept any limit on its ability to plunder. It will not give up any of its control or its wealth for the public good.

Every day, in a hundred ways, the media throws it in our faces how some people are living high on the hog, while others are mired in poverty. That generates severe resentment.

And uneducated people lash out at targets that they think are responsible.

2. There has been for the past 40 years a serious disintegration in the country's moral fiber. No one respects authority any more, really. No one respects traditional institutions. The family has been mostly ruined, masculinity has been marginalized, and people are working harder and harder for less and less. People of all races have degenerated with junk food, media trash, and the like. It's a terrible reality but one that has to be faced.

A lot of this started decades ago when liberals and feminists started to malign religion and take it out of the schools. Religion is an indispensable tool for disciplining the young, and we can't even use that any more. Authority figures and institutions are denigrated. All this has consequences.

3. We have had terrible failures of leadership in this country. Narrow minded idiots, warmongering criminals, and other dorks have been the norm for decades now. All of this undermines people's faith in the leadership element. To me this is a critical issue.

Where does all this social decay and lack of discipline lead? To what we're seeing now: sedition, incitement, and chaos.

In the short term, they need to restore order and severely punish anyone who creates chaos. But in the longer term, they need to make some real changes to how income and opportunity is distributed here in America. If they don't do this, we're going to have even more problems.

(07-11-2016 10:16 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  A few final thoughts.

The problems facing the US (as I see it) are more social problems than they are "race" problems.

Stop focusing on race...that is mostly a distraction. The real problem is social and economic.

We're seeing the effects of a real corrosion and disintegration of public morals, and a lack of discipline across all sectors of society.

1. The huge income disparities in the US have reached levels that are unsustainable. The society is in danger of plunging into social conflict and severe stratification because we have a greedy, selfish ruling class (the 0.5% who runs the show) that will not accept any limit on its ability to plunder. It will not give up any of its control or its wealth for the public good.

Every day, in a hundred ways, the media throws it in our faces how some people are living high on the hog, while others are mired in poverty. That generates severe resentment.

And uneducated people lash out at targets that they think are responsible.

2. There has been for the past 40 years a serious disintegration in the country's moral fiber. No one respects authority any more, really. No one respects traditional institutions. The family has been mostly ruined, masculinity has been marginalized, and people are working harder and harder for less and less. People of all races have degenerated with junk food, media trash, and the like. It's a terrible reality but one that has to be faced.

A lot of this started decades ago when liberals and feminists started to malign religion and take it out of the schools. Religion is an indispensable tool for disciplining the young, and we can't even use that any more. Authority figures and institutions are denigrated. All this has consequences.

3. We have had terrible failures of leadership in this country. Narrow minded idiots, warmongering criminals, and other dorks have been the norm for decades now. All of this undermines people's faith in the leadership element. To me this is a critical issue.

Where does all this social decay and lack of discipline lead? To what we're seeing now: sedition, incitement, and chaos.

In the short term, they need to restore order and severely punish anyone who creates chaos. But in the longer term, they need to make some real changes to how income and opportunity is distributed here in America. If they don't do this, we're going to have even more problems.

(07-11-2016 10:16 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  A few final thoughts.

The problems facing the US (as I see it) are more social problems than they are "race" problems.

Stop focusing on race...that is mostly a distraction. The real problem is social and economic.

We're seeing the effects of a real corrosion and disintegration of public morals, and a lack of discipline across all sectors of society.

1. The huge income disparities in the US have reached levels that are unsustainable. The society is in danger of plunging into social conflict and severe stratification because we have a greedy, selfish ruling class (the 0.5% who runs the show) that will not accept any limit on its ability to plunder. It will not give up any of its control or its wealth for the public good.

Every day, in a hundred ways, the media throws it in our faces how some people are living high on the hog, while others are mired in poverty. That generates severe resentment.

And uneducated people lash out at targets that they think are responsible.

2. There has been for the past 40 years a serious disintegration in the country's moral fiber. No one respects authority any more, really. No one respects traditional institutions. The family has been mostly ruined, masculinity has been marginalized, and people are working harder and harder for less and less. People of all races have degenerated with junk food, media trash, and the like. It's a terrible reality but one that has to be faced.

A lot of this started decades ago when liberals and feminists started to malign religion and take it out of the schools. Religion is an indispensable tool for disciplining the young, and we can't even use that any more. Authority figures and institutions are denigrated. All this has consequences.

3. We have had terrible failures of leadership in this country. Narrow minded idiots, warmongering criminals, and other dorks have been the norm for decades now. All of this undermines people's faith in the leadership element. To me this is a critical issue.

Where does all this social decay and lack of discipline lead? To what we're seeing now: sedition, incitement, and chaos.

In the short term, they need to restore order and severely punish anyone who creates chaos. But in the longer term, they need to make some real changes to how income and opportunity is distributed here in America. If they don't do this, we're going to have even more problems.

From what I understand, Charles Murray wrote a book with this theme a year or two ago. I think it's called "Coming Apart." I haven't read it but I should. From reviews I read, he says the very people who trashed our culture, white upper class liberals, are the only group that has maintained traditional family values. They marry young to other high IQ people (typically Ivy League), have several kids, and don't get divorced. Their kids in turn thrive. It's almost like reverse idiocracy.

Compelling:

Riveting post by black police officer confronts BLM with raw honesty and EVERY American needs to see it
July 10, 2016 | Michele Kirk

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2016/07/10/r...-it-363067

An African-American police officer from Florida has laid bare his heart in a powerful way.

Pundits have been talking non-stop since a new wave of sensationalized stories about so-called trigger happy cops hit the news last week.

Brutal reality hits officer Jay Stalien in the face every single day and he poured out his feelings on Facebook in a riveting post.

According to his profile, Stalien works in Riviera Beach, a city that despite its exotic-sounding name, is known for its significant rate of black on black crime.

The post contains piercing words from Stalien and should be read in its entirety. Here are a few highlights:

Suspect- Black/ Male, Victim-Black /Male.

I remember the countless times I canvassed the area afterwards, and asked everyone “did you see who did it”, and the popular response from the very same family members was always, “Fuck the Police, I aint no snitch, I’m gonna take care of this myself. This happened every single time, every single homicide, black on black, and then my realization became clearer.

I woke up every morning, put my freshly pressed uniform on, shined my badge, functioned checked my weapon, kissed my wife and kid, and waited for my wife to say the same thing she always does before I leave, “Make sure you come back home to us”. I always replied, “I will”, but the truth was I was never sure if I would. I almost lost my life on this job, and every call, every stop, every moment that I had this uniform on, was another possibility for me to almost lose my life again. I was a target in the very community I swore to protect, the very community I wanted to help. As a matter of fact, they hated my very presence. They called me “Uncle Tom”, and “wanna be white boy”, and I couldn’t understand why. My own fellow black men and women attacking me, wishing for my death, wishing for the death of my family. I was so confused, so torn, I couldn’t understand why my own black people would turn against me, when every time they called …I was there. Every time someone died….I was there. Every time they were going through one of the worst moments in their lives…I was there. So why was I the enemy? I dove deep into that question…Why was I the enemy? Then my realization became clearer.

Stalien began to ask members of the community why they hated cops. He did research on the facts. This is what he learned:

Complaint: Police always targeting us, they always messing with the black man.

Fact: A city where the majority of citizens are black (Baltimore for example) …will ALWAYS have a higher rate of black people getting arrested, it will ALWAYS have a higher rate of blacks getting stopped, and will ALWAYS have a higher rate of blacks getting killed, and the reason why is because a city with those characteristics will ALWAYS have a higher rate of blacks committing crime. The statistics will follow the same trend for Asians if you go to China, for Hispanics if you go to Puerto Rico, for whites if you go to Russia, and the list goes on. It’s called Demographics

Complaint: More black people get arrested than white boys.

Fact: Black People commit a grossly disproportionate amount of crime. Data from the FBI shows that Nationwide, Blacks committed 5,173 homicides in 2014, whites committed 4,367. Chicago’s death toll is almost equal to that of both wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, combined. Chicago’s death toll from 2001–November, 26 2015 stands at 7,401. The combined total deaths during Operation Iraqi Freedom (2003-2015: 4,815) and Operation Enduring Freedom/Afghanistan (2001-2015: 3,506), total 8,321.

Complaint: Blacks are the only ones getting killed by police, or they are killed more.

Fact: As of July 2016, the breakdown of the number of US Citizens killed by Police this year is, 238 White people killed, 123 Black people killed, 79 Hispanics, 69 other/or unknown race.

Fact: Black people kill more other blacks than Police do, and there are only protest and outrage when a cop kills a black man. University of Toledo criminologist Dr. Richard R. Johnson examined the latest crime data from the FBI’s Supplementary Homicide Reports and Centers for Disease Control and found that an average of 4,472 black men were killed by other black men annually between Jan. 1, 2009, and Dec. 31, 2012. Professor Johnson’s research further concluded that 112 black men died from both justified and unjustified police-involved killings annually during this same period.

Complaint: Well we already doing a good job of killing ourselves, we don’t need the Police to do it. Besides they should know better.

The more I listened, the more I realized. The more I researched, the more I realized. I would ask questions, and would only get emotional responses & inferences based on no facts at all. The more killing I saw, the more tragedy, the more savagery, the more violence, the more loss of life of a black man at the hands of another black man….the more I realized.

I haven’t slept well in the past few nights. Heartbreak weighs me down, rage flows through my veins, and tears fills my eyes. I watched my fellow officers assassinated on live television, and the images of them laying on the ground are seared into my brain forever. I couldn’t help but wonder if it had been me, a black man, a black cop, on TV, assassinated, laying on the ground dead,..would my friends and family still think black lives mattered? Would my life have mattered? Would they make t-shirts in remembrance of me? Would they go on tv and protest violence? Would they even make a Facebook post, or share a post in reference to my death?

His conclusion is chilling and heartbreaking.

I realized that they refuse to believe that most cops acknowledge that there are Bad cops who should have never been given a badge & gun, who are chicken shit and will shoot a cockroach if it crawls at them too fast, who never worked in the hood and may be intimidated. That most cops dread the thought of having to shoot someone, and never see the turmoil and mental anguish that a cop goes through after having to kill someone to save his own life. Instead they believe that we are all blood thirsty killers, because the media says so, even though the numbers prove otherwise. I realize that they truly feel as if the death of cops will help people realize the false narrative that Black Lives Matter, when all it will do is take their movement two steps backwards and label them domestic terrorists. I realized that some of these people, who say Black Lives Matter, are full of hate and racism. Hate for cops, because of the false narrative that more black people are targeted and killed. Racism against white people, for a tragedy that began 100’s of years ago, when most of the white people today weren’t even born yet. I realized that some in the African-American community’s idea of “Justice” is the prosecution of ANY and EVERY cop or white man that kills or is believed to have killed a black man, no matter what the circumstances are. I realized the African American community refuses to look within to solve its major issues, and instead makes excuses and looks outside for solutions. I realized that a lot of people in the African American lead with hate, instead of love. Division instead of Unity. Turmoil and rioting, instead of Peace. I realized that they have become the very entity that they claim they are fighting against.

I realized that the very reasons I became a cop, are the very reasons my own people hate me, and now in this toxic hateful racially charged political climate, I am now more likely to die,… and it is still hard for me to understand…. to this day.

(07-11-2016 09:15 AM)Enigma Wrote:  When you consider that many young Americans believe whites are the sole source of all problems and violence in the history of the world, it's actually a miracle that more whites in America haven't been killed.

This is one reason I'm concerned about potential mass Muslim "migration" into the US. We already have a large underclass of stupid, violent, hopeless people who are easily manipulated and convinced they're being persecuted. Perfect pool for radical Muslims to recruit from, and I've been noticing BLM rhetoric and imagery that looks pretty similar to things Muslim terrorist groups use.

SJW pukes get their asses handed to them from bikers, run to hated cops for protection.http://nypost.com/2015/07/02/cops-save-a...otection.

Quote:Now they probably love the cops.

A group of flag-burning anti-NYPD protesters needed New York’s Finest to save their skin from a gang of angry bikers who tried to pummel them in a Brooklyn park for setting Old Glory ablaze Wednesday.

Sumanguru asked earlier about how whites felt about so many cop killings.

I would rather ask, something I've been curious about, how do blacks feel about all the violent crimes committed against whites from their group?

(07-11-2016 11:55 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  Sumanguru asked earlier about how whites felt about so many cop killings.

I would rather ask, something I've been curious about, how do blacks feel about all the violent crimes committed against whites from their group?

For black Americans to feel something about this, they'd have to be told the truth first by the media. Crimes by racial breakdown aren't an allowed discussion in MSM circles. The law-abiding blacks would have to look at their less law-abiding cousins with a more critical eye, but once again, that would require certain inconvenient facts to be presented regarding black criminality and racism within its lower classes. The massive increase in CCW permit applications and wells background checks for new firearms purchases I believe are attributable to many law-abiding citizens of all races being afraid of ghetto blacks that totally lack introspection or any sort of incentive structure to get their act together. Feminism has totally destroyed the black family, and other racial groups are just behind them in terms of ever-increasing OOW births. Patriarchy at some point is going to make a comeback. Either from strong American men saying "enough" or we get overrun by more patriarchal cultures like Mexico or the Muslims. Something has to give.

Yes, the big takeaway from this is indeed the push to federalize the police. Both Obama and Hillary support "national guidelines" for police everywhere. More top-down command, and obviously it will eventually entail hiring quotas based on strict racial criteria. This will corrupt our nation's police very badly.

http://www.cops.usdoj.gov/pdf/taskforce/...df#page=33

Obama has been trying for Federal police since 2014... it's pretty obvious what the endgame of these "crises" are.

(07-11-2016 12:24 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Yes, the big takeaway from this is indeed the push to federalize the police. Both Obama and Hillary support "national guidelines" for police everywhere. More top-down command, and obviously it will eventually entail hiring quotas based on strict racial criteria. This will corrupt our nation's police very badly.

http://www.cops.usdoj.gov/pdf/taskforce/...df#page=33

Obama has been trying for Federal police since 2014... it's pretty obvious what the endgame of these "crises" are.

This is interesting.

Federalized police would or could be a nightmare from so many perspectives:

-increased taxes.
-even more unfair tax structure.
-states rights.
-branch imbalance. (would give a president more armed troops at his command than congress possibly has)
-tenfold increase on pressure on the Office of Budget and Management size and structure.
-Create additional bureaucracy for oversight.
-Make Federal pension issues even worse.

The only benefit I can see would be less local corruption. (e.g. New Orleans police officers would likely lose nearly all of their corrupt stranglehold on the city) I do not think that would outweigh the negatives by a long shot.

It would not create new jobs either, at least in my mind. Only so many people are willing or capable of the work.

I also think he would need an Amendment to actually pull off something like this. The amount of brainwashing they are doing makes this more likely than not. If you brought this up 10 years ago, I would laugh. Nowadays, I can see it happening for certain. Some states are lazier than others and would buy in as well. Obama does not have enough time left in office to try this, but a successor could.

(07-11-2016 07:30 AM)Sumanguru Wrote:  @Quintus

If you'll note, Parzival says he identifies as "German," just not "white." You could interpret that as he *is* patriotic--he identifies himself by his country of origin--as opposed to ethno-nationalist--identifies by his ethnicity/race. I think a lot of Europeans balk at nationalism because nationalism is associated with racism.

Most Germans are white by Germanic origin. And so are still most Europeans but they can be Germanic, Slavic, Romanic, Celts and so on. You can split this into tiny pieces if you want. At the end you have one village crowd that claims to be complete different then the next village 5 km away.
In the US you have many different races, so you identify maybe by them. All white people are a mix from European decent. So the white power stuff or the term white is seen complete different by Ethno Nationalist. A strict Ethno nationalistic German would never accept Slavic people for example to mix with Germanic people. Take a look what Hitler did with the Slavic people. In Europe, where majority is still white, how do you separate and identify with your tribe? You can argue how you still can separate a German from an English person, thats true and this is made up my the former tribes - Germanic, Celtic etc. but you identify also by nationality, language and culture and by the deeper tribes. Just look at the multiple Germanic tribes. Someone from Austria wouldn't say he is German but by Germanic origin probably.
This can include someone from a non white background has more things in common when he also did grow up in Germany then an other white person from France or England. So the concept of be white is not used that much in Europe because we are all white and other races still stick out because of their behavior. Especially in Germany the believe, how you have to look to be German is related to the blood. The law of gain citizenship did just change in 2000. Since then people that are German citizens are seen equal with Germans. Therefore if you are not seen German by blood it was very hard to gain the citizenship. So to just gain citizenship do not make you German. It makes you a citizen of the Federal Republic of Germany.

The separation goes even further then just by Nationality. When someone from the North move to the south, people notice a difference. Just by his dialect, also by some habits even when both are German. Or the example of the two villages I did mention above. Germany was divided very long and so many people have a higher local pride or patriotism then they have a German one. Still we are Germans but in a country full of Germans - still - you don't bent in with everyone just because he or she is German.
That's what I mean, I don't identify as white but more as German. Because the term white is too big and my skin colour was never an issue with people around me that have the same one.

(07-11-2016 12:24 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Yes, the big takeaway from this is indeed the push to federalize the police. Both Obama and Hillary support "national guidelines" for police everywhere. More top-down command, and obviously it will eventually entail hiring quotas based on strict racial criteria. This will corrupt our nation's police very badly.

http://www.cops.usdoj.gov/pdf/taskforce/...df#page=33

Obama has been trying for Federal police since 2014... it's pretty obvious what the endgame of these "crises" are.

This is from 2008. Loyalty to your city/town being replaced with loyalty to "the state". Same thing with loyalty to your God, family, tribe, family unit, etc. Totalitariasnism requires submission of all loyalties to that of the state.

Federal Police will be the incompetent version of Military, Capitol, and Park Police that you see in DC...

with the same power and resources.

We deserve this shit.

(07-11-2016 11:35 AM)Dusty Wrote:  SJW pukes get their asses handed to them from bikers, run to hated cops for protection.http://nypost.com/2015/07/02/cops-save-a...otection.

Quote:Now they probably love the cops.

A group of flag-burning anti-NYPD protesters needed New York’s Finest to save their skin from a gang of angry bikers who tried to pummel them in a Brooklyn park for setting Old Glory ablaze Wednesday.

Quote:“I served in the Marines,” said counterprotester Brian Christopher, 23. “We defend this flag. We are ready to die for it. When I see people burning it and showing complete ignorance, it’s very offensive.”

Remembers me about this:

   

Dallas Police Chief ‘We’re Asking Cops To Do Too Much In This Country’

Quote:DALLAS (CBSDFW) – “We are all worried for our safety. We are all on edge and being very careful.” said Dallas Polce Chief David Brown at a Monday press conference following the deadly shooting that took the lives of 5 Dallas Police officers Thursday night.

Saying he was “running on fumes,” Brown spoke frankly about everything that his employees have to deal with on a daily basis – and that it can be overwhelming at times.

Dallas PD Chief considering mandatory counseling for officers.
Chief said, "We want to be Superman … We are the last to ask for help."

— Brian New (@BrianNewCBS) July 11, 2016
“We’re asking cops to do too much in this country” said Brown.

“Every societal failure, we put it off on the cops to solve” said Brown. He listed mental health, drug addiction, loose dogs, failing schools as problems the public expects ‘cops to solve.’

“Seventy percent of the African American community is being raised by single women, let’s give it to the cops to solve that as well” said Brown. “Policing was never meant to solve all those problems.”

"I probably wouldn't protest or complain I would get involved and do something about it"DPD chief on police distrust pic.twitter.com/eCs3o42MIW

— J.D. Miles (@jdmiles11) July 11, 2016
When asked what advice he would give black men, Chief Brown said, “Become a part of the solution, serve your community. Don’t be a part of the problem…we’re hiring. Get off that protest line and put an application in. We’ll put you in your neighborhood – we will help you resolve some of the problems you are protesting about.”

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2016/07/11/dalla...s-country/

Even though the Dallas police chief is black, and even though everything he says is reasonable, it will be totally ignored by policy makers and the public at large will still just be wringing their hands like a bunch of cucks.

Leftist media falling in love with this photo. Strong young woman standing up to a strong, heavily armed opposition (yep, media is calling the police opposition).



My first thought: WBASSFHPCBCDC (Would Bang And Show Sympathy For Her Political Cause By Clapping Dem Cheeks). She's looking fine!
Second thought: Looks staged as hell.

Edit: This is from the protests in Baton Rogue.

(07-11-2016 01:38 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Dallas Police Chief ‘We’re Asking Cops To Do Too Much In This Country’

Quote:DALLAS (CBSDFW) – “We are all worried for our safety. We are all on edge and being very careful.” said Dallas Polce Chief David Brown at a Monday press conference following the deadly shooting that took the lives of 5 Dallas Police officers Thursday night.

Saying he was “running on fumes,” Brown spoke frankly about everything that his employees have to deal with on a daily basis – and that it can be overwhelming at times.

Dallas PD Chief considering mandatory counseling for officers.
Chief said, "We want to be Superman … We are the last to ask for help."

— Brian New (@BrianNewCBS) July 11, 2016
“We’re asking cops to do too much in this country” said Brown.

“Every societal failure, we put it off on the cops to solve” said Brown. He listed mental health, drug addiction, loose dogs, failing schools as problems the public expects ‘cops to solve.’

“Seventy percent of the African American community is being raised by single women, let’s give it to the cops to solve that as well” said Brown. “Policing was never meant to solve all those problems.”

"I probably wouldn't protest or complain I would get involved and do something about it"DPD chief on police distrust pic.twitter.com/eCs3o42MIW

— J.D. Miles (@jdmiles11) July 11, 2016
When asked what advice he would give black men, Chief Brown said, “Become a part of the solution, serve your community. Don’t be a part of the problem…we’re hiring. Get off that protest line and put an application in. We’ll put you in your neighborhood – we will help you resolve some of the problems you are protesting about.”

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2016/07/11/dalla...s-country/

Even though the Dallas police chief is black, and even though everything he says is reasonable, it will be totally ignored by policy makers and the public at large will still just be wringing their hands like a bunch of cucks.

I heard this speech in full on the radio - succint, clear, with no BS.

He's a damned great leader, he even brought a little faith into the press meeting, a god fearing man. A better man than I am for sure.

His story is remarkable and somewhat sad:

-His son was shot and killed by cops when he was high on PCP - his son shot and killed a civilian and a cop.
-Grew up in a rough neighborhood
-In 1988, 5 years after becoming a LEO, his partner was shot and killed
-In 1991 his younger brother was killed by drug dealers

Yet here he is, calling it how it is, and saying "hey cops can only do so much"

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/09/us/dallas-...n-profile/

@Red_Pillage Well I guess everything isn't meant for everybody to understand.

(07-11-2016 12:37 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(07-11-2016 12:24 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Yes, the big takeaway from this is indeed the push to federalize the police. Both Obama and Hillary support "national guidelines" for police everywhere. More top-down command, and obviously it will eventually entail hiring quotas based on strict racial criteria. This will corrupt our nation's police very badly.

http://www.cops.usdoj.gov/pdf/taskforce/...df#page=33

Obama has been trying for Federal police since 2014... it's pretty obvious what the endgame of these "crises" are.

This is interesting.

Federalized police would or could be a nightmare from so many perspectives:

-increased taxes.
-even more unfair tax structure.
-states rights.
-branch imbalance. (would give a president more armed troops at his command than congress possibly has)
-tenfold increase on pressure on the Office of Budget and Management size and structure.
-Create additional bureaucracy for oversight.
-Make Federal pension issues even worse.

And no middleman needed to transfer "Fast and Furious" weapons directly to migrant/BLM groups.

(07-11-2016 01:38 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Even though the Dallas police chief is black, and even though everything he says is reasonable, it will be totally ignored by policy makers and the public at large will still just be wringing their hands like a bunch of cucks.

Exactly. It's the same story all over modern society. Marriage, the family structure, religious networks, community cohesion all collapse completely and instead of fixing what they broke, bureaucrat politicians expect schools, television sets and policemen to act like a mechanized state-sponsored proxy parent. Keeping order is challenging under normal circumstances, and all but impossible if the police are simultaneously expected to perform a magic trick and make 50 years of deliberate civilizational corrosion suddenly disappear. Even the success story of policing in NYC (which has done tremendous good) seems to me to be a heavy lid on top of a boiling pot...there is much more peace on the streets but it's only due to overwhelming (and well-funded) force and not any intrinsic harmony.

You can't abolish discipline in classrooms and then act surprised when teachers can't teach, and you can't pour social dysfunction into communities and then act astonished when policemen can't police the cohesion back into them. The history books will record that this is what happens when feminists get to play dress up and pretend they're statesmen.

Quote:The only benefit I can see would be less local corruption. (e.g. New Orleans police officers would likely lose nearly all of their corrupt stranglehold on the city) I do not think that would outweigh the negatives by a long shot.

Federal police..WHAT A JOKE. Kind of be hard to do in America since every state, city , town has different laws.
But here are my MAIN issues with it:
1. Less familiarity with their communities
2. Too political. The president and congress , justice dept would have too much control.
3. There would still be corruption. As it is now most federal corruption is hidden from the public but trust me there are corrupt FBI' agents, Secret service, etc. DEA is VERY corrupt.
4. Too much incompetence. We call the FBI the Federal Bureau of Incompetents. Don't get me wrong they have a very good support structure (analysts, etc) but the agents I have worked with were NOT very good.

It isn't their fault, although their training is superb, they get hired with very little experience and become agents without on the job training. You got kids on that job who should have stayed accountants. There is a reason the NYPD doesn't trust them and has to have our own foreign offices that conduct operations that the FBI/CIA usually conducts.

5. Lack of unions. Some of you might think that is good but there is a very big negative. It means cops won't have a say in their duties. The unions constantly fight and even have taken the city to court to get rid of arrest/ticket quota's , profiling, etc. Without unions the cops would actually be completely under the dictation of the politicians.

6. Accountability. Feds are even worst than the city /state at being transparent. They hide more.

(07-11-2016 02:16 PM)Saga Wrote:  

(07-11-2016 01:38 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Even though the Dallas police chief is black, and even though everything he says is reasonable, it will be totally ignored by policy makers and the public at large will still just be wringing their hands like a bunch of cucks.

Exactly. It's the same story all over modern society. Marriage, the family structure, religious networks, community cohesion all collapse completely and instead of fixing what they broke, bureaucrat politicians expect schools, television sets and policemen to act like a mechanized state-sponsored proxy parent. Keeping order is challenging under normal circumstances, and all but impossible if the police are simultaneously expected to perform a magic trick and make 50 years of deliberate civilizational corrosion suddenly disappear. Even the success story of policing in NYC (which has done tremendous good) seems to me to be a heavy lid on top of a boiling pot...there is much more peace on the streets but it's only due to overwhelming (and well-funded) force and not any intrinsic harmony.

You can't abolish discipline in classrooms and then act surprised when teachers can't teach, and you can't pour social dysfunction into communities and then act astonished when policemen can't police the cohesion back into them. The history books will record that this is what happens when feminists get to play dress up and pretend they're statesmen.

Yes true. Actually the "broken windows" theory is /was the key (I knew the guy wh o came up with the idea he was actually NYC transit before the merger). The problem is the thugs /media have somehow convince many minorities to get rid of "broken windows". Without it crime would go back to how it was.

As for funding. NYPD learned that crime reduction is directly proportional to the number of boots on the ground. Most of the funding goes to personnel. On that note, because of that the dept actually lacks of modern productive equipment. As I SAID WE STILL USED ribbon typewriters. Job is a lot of paper work and everything drags because it is extremely slow and waste of resources.

Go to a busy precinct on the late tour and you will see that they can sometimes only put 2 cars out on patrol. Half the cars are broken and sent to the shop. Counter terrorism also takes a lot. We have about too much resources directed at that.

ps- cops are underpaid compared to other US depts when you factor cost of living.

Shocking video just released in Dallas.