(07-08-2016 04:55 PM)scorpion Wrote:  It's mind boggling to think how differently this would be treated by the government and media if the races of the attacker and victims were reversed. This was not the act of a maladjusted, mentally ill loner. This was clearly, by the shooter's own admission, an act of politically and racially motivated terrorism. He was influenced directly by the LIARS, RACE HUSTLERS, MEDIA WHORES and PAID PROVOCATEURS that comprise the BLM movement. These people have created an entirely false narrative that portrays white police officers as bloodthirsty racists who prowl the streets looking for innocent black men to execute. This is absolute insanity. It has no relation to reality whatsoever. This is a country of over 300 million people, and inevitably a few times a year there will be a police shooting in which a black suspect is killed when he maybe shouldn't have been. Or perhaps he was killed justifiably when all the facts are taken into account, but the optics of the killing look bad on the surface. This is simply how statistics work. The exact same thing happens to white men too. Anyone remember the video awhile back of the white guy who was getting out of his wrecked car and the cop pulls his gun and shoots him right in the head for absolutely no fucking reason? This is simply what happens when people do stupid things that attract police and then double down on that stupidity by further inflaming the situation with antagonistic behavior. And then rarely, sometimes people are just in the wrong place at the wrong time, and the cop fucks up and shoots them. The police must be held accountable in those rare situations. But they are truly few and far between. There is no epidemic of police violence against black men. It is a lie created by the media, SJWs, black racial activists and the people that fund them (hello Soros) to inflame racial sentiment across the country. This is a subversive ideology and it is being pushed by no less than the sitting President of the United States. What a completely fucked up situation. A travesty. This country is on the verge of coming apart at the seams.

True. A reverse situation would be Dylan Roof picking off black police officers at a black lives matter protest. If that had happened there wouldn't be posts of people pondering "Race War?" it would be posts of "RACE WAR!!!!" and we'd be posting on this thread asking who's cities are currently burning.

Oh jeez...not this fucking shit again.

Not to derail this thread, but another cop got shot somewhere in St. Louis.

Quote:Jacob Long @JacobLong_KSDK
Source tells me #Ballwin officer was shot three times in the neck during a traffic stop for speeding. Rushed to Mercy. Condition not good.

Jacob Long @JacobLong_KSDK
Source says officer was walking back to squad car when suspect got out of his car and ambushed officer with firearm before fleeing.

Jacob Long @JacobLong_KSDK
Suspect in #Ballwin Officer shooting was arrested briefly after incident through search of known residences associated with him.

(07-07-2016 11:00 PM)Penta Sahi Wrote:  [quote='Cattle Rustler' pid='1342203' dateline='1467950305']
Possible suspect according to a city official.


Holy shit. Let's see the liberal spin on this.

THIS liberal's spin is people who shoot down someone in cold blood for no good reason are depriving that person of liberty, and are therefore assholes. Technically speaking.

(07-08-2016 06:19 PM)Travesty Wrote:  ^ To counter the "country is bursting at the seams".

It sounds callous, I believe this is the wrong way to think. Feeding into the frenzy doesn't help any.

We have 300 million + people. 5 died. People need to be a bit more steadfast against losses in the face of adversity.

Soon there will be hysteria over one person being killed.
...

With all due respect, you don't get the political gravity of five cops being murdered.

This is bigger than 9/11 when cops were not specifically targeted.

There already is hysteria over one person being killed, and the pathological aspects of that hysteria are that:

this one person has generally been culpable in some way for his death at the hands of police or someone else,

those facts have been ignored by the media, and

as a result populations are now in the pre-stages of larger scale violent revolt against the current law enforcement and likely the judicial order.

And, again, this is all primarily being facilitated by the media.

The killing of a cop is only equal to the killing of a civilian in the eyes of god.

In the eyes of civilization and its order, the willful killing of one police officer, let alone five, is a world apart from the murder of a civilian.

If the hierarchy leaves society with the impression that killing cops will not lead to immense pain and punishment, then the nation itself is at grave risk.

When cops will no longer do their jobs, we're done and will need to start completely over. Likely with a large split in the population. Probably after a civil war.

Everyone who threatens the continuing existence of law and order in a society of 300 million should be set adrift on a boat out to sea.

What we are now bearing witness to is nothing less than the slow-motion disintegration of the United States and American society as a whole.

Like all such disintegrations, it began slowly, and was able to be papered over for long stretches of time. But like the Soviet Union before it, the ruling political elite of the United States could only have played “extend and pretend” for so long. Eventually, time always runs out. And as that time comes ever closer to zero, the collapse accelerates, until its momentum becomes undeniable and unstoppable.

I now truly believe that the vast number of fault lines in American society – along such lines as socioeconomic status, gender, culture, politics, and above all race – have left the United States more divided than at any point since the American Civil War. The situation we now see has been decades in the making. It is the inevitable consequence of all the movements and historical processes that we have condemned here in this community – socialism, feminism, mass immigration, the financialization and deindustrialization of the American economy, open borders, multiculturalism, and the like. It has been aided and abetted by a globalist ruling elite that has prioritized the limitless accumulation, preservation, and extension of its wealth and power over the well-being of the United States as a coherent nation-state. They have managed to turn the most prosperous country in the history of humanity into a parasitic corporate oligarchy that has devastated the American middle class and turned the American Dream into the American Nightmare. But now, they are realizing that they are rapidly running out of time, and that there is very little, if anything, that they can do to stop it.

9/11 started the writing of America’s epitaph. 2008, I think, sealed its fate. Now we are watching America as a global superpower enter its final death throes.

I think that what we are seeing now is the beginning of what will become a multi-year period of sustained civil unrest in major American metropolitan areas. It will probably come to resemble something like the Northern Ireland conflict, which managed to last for nearly two decades despite its low-level insurgency status. (Ironically, the Troubles began with protests by Catholics against police brutality committed by a Protestant-dominated police force.) If Trump is elected, I fully expect La Raza, BLM, and other left-wing agitators to essentially declare full-scale urban insurrection across the United States. Having lost the election, they will decide that America as a “racist, white supremacist state” is irredeemable, and that there is nothing left to do but burn it to the ground. That will turn what we are seeing now (isolated incidents of civil unrest) into full-fledged urban insurgency.

I said months ago that something is coming, and it is going to bring with it lots of blood.

We know now what that something is – the coming collapse of the globalist institutions that have defined the international order in the wake of the Second World War, as demonstrated no better than by the now accelerating Soviet-style implosion of America as a global superpower. The global trends heavily favour growing fragmentation, distrust, and with that the implosion of supposed norms in Western society and their replacement with the societal normalization of violence, force, and the threat thereof.

This “long hot summer” of 2016 is, I think, going to be a lot hotter and a lot longer than many people realize.

(07-08-2016 06:19 PM)Travesty Wrote:  ^ To counter the "country is bursting at the seams".

It sounds callous, I believe this is the wrong way to think. Feeding into the frenzy doesn't help any.

We have 300 million + people. 5 died. People need to be a bit more steadfast against losses in the face of adversity.

Soon there will be hysteria over one person being killed.

I know it seems retarded, I believe it is right though. Gmanifesto tweeted earlier to GLL: "You been watching too much news, look up Little Round Top 1863 for really bad."

Best thing you can do is if you are white or black and run into a person of the opposite race that seems edgy or has strong emotions over this is to smooth things out and not up the ante by tapping into the manufactured anger. Trust is the foundation.

Of course you can prepare for the escalation which very may well happen, feeding into it I think is an energy that will build on itself and have no good outcome.

It's not about the body count. These situations are not purely rational. There is no magic number of people being killed that, once reached, the populace will snap and civil war will start immediately. Rather, think of the country as a big pile of combustible material. We've got sparks hitting it all the time. Most of the time they burn out quickly. But the danger is when the sparks intensify in frequency and magnitude. The situation then becomes extremely dangerous and unpredictable. You might continue to get isolated burning embers...or the entire thing might go up in a blazing inferno at any moment.

Go back and study the history of the events leading up to the American Civil War. It wasn't like the North and South just decided to start fighting one day. The tension had been simmering and slowly building for years. Many people felt that it was only a matter of time until the issue was settled with open conflict. And they were right.

Societies themselves, like the individuals who comprise them, are susceptible to moods. Anger. Fear. Happiness. Contentment. Apathy. Dread. The mood of a society is determinative of its present and predictive of its future. How would we characterize the current American mood? I would use words like hopeless, angry, alienated, worried. These are not indicative of good times to come. The expectations of a society play a large role in shaping its future. The present mood is grim and grows darker by the day. Trump is essentially the only ray of light on the horizon, the only person or thing (secular at least) who is capable of inspiring tens of millions of Americans and shifting the national mood (contrast with Hillary: uninspiring even to her own supporters, her campaign is based entirely on the acquisition of power as its own end, rather than for a purpose, i.e. Making American Great Again). This is why Trump is such a momentous figure and why so much is riding on his election. It is about much more than just him being elected President. It is, essentially, a referendum of darkness vs. light, of hope vs. fear, of renewal vs. decay. Trump's election represents the only hope for arresting and possibly reversing America's slide into oblivion. Otherwise our national mood will continue to grow darker, the clouds on the horizon will soon be over our heads and the days of true suffering and conflict will be upon us.

You can be sure, however, that organized attacks by groups of armed men are a precursor to imminent civil war and the breakdown of the rule of law. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Brown...pers_Ferry

This scared the everliving shit out of white Southerners in 1859. Fear is a powerful motivator. The mood of society shifting quickly toward fear means that violence is inevitable (anyone remember the national mood post 9/11? I do). If that fear is a product of internal strife (say...the organized killing of police officers or innocent white people by groups of BLM terrorists) then the resulting violence will also be directed internally.

And that's how civil war/ethnic cleansing starts, and why it has nothing to do with precise body counts.

(07-08-2016 01:34 PM)rotekz Wrote:  Paul Joseph Watson gives his assessment of where the blame lies.

Paul Joseph Watson on the money as usual.

This is a left vs. right problem, not a black vs. white problem.

The leftist media pushes and legitimizes this idea that white America is pure evil and black Americans have it worse than any other group on the planet. Then confirmation bias works its magic, making every negative interaction between whites and blacks another example of their "oppression".

This is why I was quick to address the guy earlier in their thread who tried to push that narrative by asking where blacks were treated better and had more opportunity than in the US.

He didn't have an answer, of course, because it's not a logical belief based on verifiable facts. It's pure emotion and propaganda.

You see the exact same brainwashing prevalent in the white community; the only difference is it manifests as "white guilt" and cuckoldry.

It also goes the other way, with the people who play up the "black on white" angle. They of course conveniently leave out that all the same things were being said about Irish and Italian immigrants 50 years ago.

People like Vox Day (who is mixed race himself) can paint it as a racial issue as much as they want, but black "genetics" don't explain why Germans, Swedes, white Americans, etc. have been conditioned to let themselves be killed without resistance.

Are you telling me that you can brainwash Vikings to let their women be raped, but blacks are so "savage" that they can't be dealt with?

It's a total failure of logic.

Yes, some cultures are better than others and yes, there are genetic differences between the races.

But do you think American blacks naturally regressed from suit-wearing jazz musicians to baggy pant-wearing rappers?

Over a period of roughly 50 years, we've seen Chuck Berry and John Coltrane become Lil' Wayne and Gucci Mane, while MLK and Malcolm X became Deray and Shaun King (lol).

In a time when there are more black millionaires, more blacks with college degrees, more black politicians, etc. than ever in our history, there are less positive black role models in the mainstream than throughout the mid 1900s.

This is not a coincidence.

It's the same thing that's happening to white America. We know how our culture has been methodically perverted -- it's one of the main themes of this forum.

They want us all to be dumbed down and divided, both whites and blacks.

This is why you see young guys becoming so inspired by Trump. He's the only strong role model that's been allowed to break into the mainstream in years.

On the other hand, his "black" (with a white mom and white upbringing) equivalent is a globalist shilling, race baiting clown who's set racial relations and blacks in general back by years.

Some facts for consideration...

Dallas Police Shooting: 11 Officers Shot, 5 Killed | True News

https://youtu.be/4UMYh_vTr0w

(07-08-2016 12:49 AM)Slim Shady Wrote:  

(07-08-2016 12:40 AM)evilhei Wrote:  OK I understand the right and need to carry a handgun or a shotgun. But whats the idea behind allowing military grade assult rifles? Are explosives, grenades, anti tank weapons etc also allowed or where they draw the line?

Love of guns is essentially on the level of religion in America. Although I don't hear much argument in favor of legalizing full-auto or grenade launchers, limiting semi-auto rifle ownership is political suicide and serious discussion of it is more or less not allowed.

I'm very liberal but think alienating gun owners with gun control is just a distraction from the more important issue of wealth disparity, the .01% etc, which is a permissible discussion to some degree.

Just days before he was killed, Patrick Zamarripa posted this on the 4th of July.


Another ambushed. This time in Georgia.

(07-08-2016 07:09 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

(07-08-2016 06:19 PM)Travesty Wrote:  ^ To counter the "country is bursting at the seams".

It sounds callous, I believe this is the wrong way to think. Feeding into the frenzy doesn't help any.

We have 300 million + people. 5 died. People need to be a bit more steadfast against losses in the face of adversity.

Soon there will be hysteria over one person being killed.

I know it seems retarded, I believe it is right though. Gmanifesto tweeted earlier to GLL: "You been watching too much news, look up Little Round Top 1863 for really bad."

Best thing you can do is if you are white or black and run into a person of the opposite race that seems edgy or has strong emotions over this is to smooth things out and not up the ante by tapping into the manufactured anger. Trust is the foundation.

Of course you can prepare for the escalation which very may well happen, feeding into it I think is an energy that will build on itself and have no good outcome.

It's not about the body count. These situations are not purely rational. There is no magic number of people being killed that, once reached, the populace will snap and civil war will start immediately. Rather, think of the country as a big pile of combustible material. We've got sparks hitting it all the time. Most of the time they burn out quickly. But the danger is when the sparks intensify in frequency and magnitude. The situation then becomes extremely dangerous and unpredictable. You might continue to get isolated burning embers...or the entire thing might go up in a blazing inferno at any moment.

Go back and study the history of the events leading up to the American Civil War. It wasn't like the North and South just decided to start fighting one day. The tension had been simmering and slowly building for years. Many people felt that it was only a matter of time until the issue was settled with open conflict. And they were right.

Societies themselves, like the individuals who comprise them, are susceptible to moods. Anger. Fear. Happiness. Contentment. Apathy. Dread. The mood of a society is determinative of its present and predictive of its future. How would we characterize the current American mood? I would use words like hopeless, angry, alienated, worried. These are not indicative of good times to come. The expectations of a society play a large role in shaping its future. The present mood is grim and grows darker by the day. Trump is essentially the only ray of light on the horizon, the only person or thing (secular at least) who is capable of inspiring tens of millions of Americans and shifting the national mood (contrast with Hillary: uninspiring even to her own supporters, her campaign is based entirely on the acquisition of power as its own end, rather than for a purpose, i.e. Making American Great Again). This is why Trump is such a momentous figure and why so much is riding on his election. It is about much more than just him being elected President. It is, essentially, a referendum of darkness vs. light, of hope vs. fear, of renewal vs. decay. Trump's election represents the only hope for arresting and possibly reversing America's slide into oblivion. Otherwise our national mood will continue to grow darker, the clouds on the horizon will soon be over our heads and the days of true suffering and conflict will be upon us.

You can be sure, however, that organized attacks by groups of armed men are a precursor to imminent civil war and the breakdown of the rule of law. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Brown...pers_Ferry

This scared the everliving shit out of white Southerners in 1859. Fear is a powerful motivator. The mood of society shifting quickly toward fear means that violence is inevitable (anyone remember the national mood post 9/11? I do). If that fear is a product of internal strife (say...the organized killing of police officers or innocent white people by groups of BLM terrorists) then the resulting violence will also be directed internally.

And that's how civil war/ethnic cleansing starts, and why it has nothing to do with precise body counts.

Scorpion, you're a smart guy and educated, and there are a lot of smart educated people on this forum. The general public due to marxist schooling has close to zero historical knowledge.

If any reader doubts so, ask your friends these questions:

1) What was the one murder that sparked the first World War?

Answer

2) What was the one murder that sparked jewish persecution in Nazi Germany?

Answer

3) What was the one speech in reaction to which incident sparked the Balkan war?

Answer

Each of these events led to massive bloodshed and were the direct consequence of high profile violence against an ethnic group, in the case of the first two, a single murder, in the last, systematic mob violence.

Each of them were the result of festering ethnic tension in multicultural countries and empires.

History does not repeat itself but it rhymes.

Good luck getting that point across though.

Facebook Glorifies Dallas Police Massacre

https://youtu.be/ruxrg-v-FxU

Read the history of the second amendment.

A segue first, voting is over rated, I've travelled to many countries where I am not a citizen, the lack of voting doesn't bother me, the lack of rights and freedom do.

As long as those that permit liberty allow for it, its a good country.

What the second amendment was about was to make government scared.

Are people scared of its government is tyranny. A government scared of its people is freedom.

Travelling through shitholes, you see rulers, and uts extension, police and bureaucrats, so brazen because they know the population has no recourse.

The main extension of state violence are police. However they are people to, and when they know the recourse is the population returning fire, its means they font automatically calibrate to being the arm of violence for the state.

^ https://youtu.be/ByE_CpXIjRA
The Truth About the Dallas Sniper Attack

Key point Black Lives Matter is a domestic terrorist organization... A true hate group like the KKK and Neo Nazis.

Backed by the most evil person on the Planet George Soros who has already donated more that $15 Million to Hillary Rotten Clinton the champion of BLM, La Raza and open borders

(07-08-2016 07:19 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(07-08-2016 12:49 AM)Slim Shady Wrote:  

(07-08-2016 12:40 AM)evilhei Wrote:  OK I understand the right and need to carry a handgun or a shotgun. But whats the idea behind allowing military grade assult rifles? Are explosives, grenades, anti tank weapons etc also allowed or where they draw the line?

Love of guns is essentially on the level of religion in America. Although I don't hear much argument in favor of legalizing full-auto or grenade launchers, limiting semi-auto rifle ownership is political suicide and serious discussion of it is more or less not allowed.

I'm very liberal but think alienating gun owners with gun control is just a distraction from the more important issue of wealth disparity, the .01% etc, which is a permissible discussion to some degree.

Neither full-auto nor, I believe, grenade launchers are illegal. Though, you need to pay more money and fill out paperwork, acquire licenses, etc to get them. That being said, they are likely illegal in certain States.

Some populations can handle gun ownership and some can not.

The problem is that the former do not believe that they should surrender such a fundamental American Right simply for the privilege of being able to live among criminals without being randomly shot.

Their logic is to get rid of the criminals rather than to give up their constitutional right to own a valuable tool that others abuse.

And they have a point.

The Left would have us give up gun rights so that criminals will have one less tool at their disposal, theoretically making them less of a murderous criminal.

It's juvenile, magical thinking.

It's similar logic to announcing that we can not control our border because of all the hurt feelings and "restriction of movement" that would hurt illegals and their families.

Well, the majority base never agreed to allowing the illegals in in the first place, and were told a pack of lies that are all now unraveling to get them to accept the 1965 immigration act.

Well, the population sees present justifications for both gun control and the "no border" movements as being rooted in politics that they were undemocritcally forced to accept for the benefit of minorities - sometimes small minorities.

They are not willing to forgive the lies or use time and population growth as justifications for giving up their constitutional rights or their conservative politics. In fact, the lies and other manipulations are laid bare and are motivations to hold their ground. They know what will further come if they continue to surrender it inch by inch.

https://twitter.com/PatrickEZ01

When you visit Patrick Zamarripa's twitter and read some of his tweets it's absolutely heartbreaking. Almost no negativity or angry shit. He was just a family man into sports and his country. It's apparent he tried to do the right thing in his life and he was penalized for it by the society he was trying to protect.

He also made tweets commenting about all the sad shootings that have happened lately. Then he becomes the victim of one himself..

Based on his tweets he didn't even seem all that conservative at all either. The #BLM enabled savage(s) killed someone who was politically moderate at best.

(07-08-2016 07:47 PM)RaccoonFace Wrote:  

This is almost a sick joke coming from her. Hillary Clinton has a well known and publicized hatred towards men in uniform. She absolutely loathes LEOs.

Note the use of language in Cunton's statement.

White Americans = millions of people, highly impersonal, total categorization (of which she somehow rises above as a white woman?)

Black Americans = you. You is a highly personal pronoun. You make the narrative. You matter. You need to vote for Her.

This batch isn't even very good at pandering.

Apologize if this has been posted already but looked at the last three pages and haven't seen it so worth a repost: archive.is of the shooter's Facebook page.

https://archive.is/AWhWZ

I couldn't believe this was real, then found another one of his timeline:

http://archive.is/Dw2Sg

geez.

(07-08-2016 07:47 PM)RaccoonFace Wrote:  

Quote:Weambulance already very humorously expressed my sentiments in regards to your above statement. Cops are expected to take risks on the job. Just like firemen and yes, just like soldiers.

Yes risks but NOT unnecessary risks. Firemen don't take unnecessary risks, bad analogy.

Quote:Cops are not judges bro. We're not living in Judge Dredd world (yet). There are a ton of arcane and anachronistic stupid laws on the books that no cop should ever enforce, but according to your definition of policing, they should. And that mentality is what led Toronto police chief Bill Blair to abuse an ancient WWII-era law in order to over-militarize his forces in 2010.

To be judged they have to go to court! But if they threaten or risk lives out on the streets cops are going to respond on the street.




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Or the morgues and cemeteries, eh? Cops are cops. They are not judges, juries, nor executioners. Law is a complicated and sophisticated process. That's why good lawyers make so much money. A lot more than cops do. Some things are above a cop's pay grade.
I already mentioned the above. To see a lawyer they have to turn themselves over to the courts. BTW that comment was silly. Cops are the ones that write up the charges and the ADA's try to get the charges to stick. We work together.

Also you probably don't know this but a cop at top pay in NYC makes more than an ADA. If I remember correctly they top at 80-85 k and have fewer benefits.Defense lawyers CAN make good buck if VERY good but that isn't something to be proud at. But the gov't ADA's make shit.

*BTW you do realize that Long Island cops make about 200k(not counting bennies) right?

Quote:So SWAT team equipment and training is cheap, right? And let's not even get started on talking about the pensions bro. Please do NOT try to use a financial argument. Policing is consistently the BIGGEST line item in every local government budget. Spare me.

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You don't know what you are talking about. Most of the expenses , as you mentioned goes for the boots on the ground(manpower) and bennies(as you mentioned) but very little goes for equipment. We still used ribbon type writers for godsakes!

As for SWAT training, not even sure the little dept's put their members though emergency service training. Perhaps that is part of the problem? But there is Federal funding for that as well.

The reason I stated is one of the biggest reasons for the increase militarization(It has been written about btw) . It has to do with funding. I don't expect a civilian like yourself to understand. The city gov't s aren't going to miss an opportunity to get what they can from the FEDS.

Quote:Well, that succinctly explains why I don't want cops anywhere near me.

Well, too bad for you that if you are middle class or above MOST of your fellow voters do want the police around. Perhaps you missed the point where the elected leaders are doing mostly what their voters want.

Ironically, Black Lives Matter has now succeeded in exacerbating the very problem they claim to exist because of. You think cops will be less jittery with black suspects after all this shit going down? If I were a white cop in a black neighborhood, I'd now be quicker than ever to reach for my gun.

Statistics show that there wasn't previously any epidemic of white police officers gunning down innocent black men, but I wouldn't be shocked if one develops thanks to BLM "activism."

And still, the mainstream insists on siding with this group, which has accomplished nothing except destroying property, harming innocent people, ramping up racial tension, and making the streets more dangerous for everyone, including themselves, all over a fabricated "epidemic" that a five second google search could've debunked.

Insanity is the new normal.

(07-08-2016 07:47 PM)RaccoonFace Wrote:  

This looks awfully like blaming the victim.

In other words: White Americans, you had it coming, you bastards.

Why cant Hillary die peacefully in her sleep from a stroke or something.