You guys are acting like faggots, I'm going to bed.

(07-12-2016 08:44 PM)Cobra Wrote:  @hydrogonian

You have added some value to people that I know personally on the forum. I truly respect that.

However, I have to call out the fact that you continue being a dick to forum members that have added a heck of a lot more than what they took from the forum. While you make some good points, they could also be made without taking respect away from those you attack. You manage to do both and have gotten away with it so far.

I saw this a mile away in your last few "rants" but there were way too many people who respect you in order for me to say anything. Now I feel like I have to.

My troll radar has always been going off but I thought you were having a bad day. You had a whole bunch of them though. Come on man. It wouldn't hurt for you to ease up a bit.

Hey, I remember you. The guy who only interacts with me when I'm in a more heated debate. Nice pattern.

Thanks for your approval.

If guys engage me in a hostile way, I'm not going to keep your rules in mind. Especially when their (first dished out) disrespect is ignored out of favoritism and I am admonished.

Me "being a dick" seems to = guys not being able to quite put me in my place in either a debate or a heated argument. I remember this pattern of your in the NTP thread, the last time that you interacted with me curiously enough.

In that thread, you were also defending a forum member who started something, did not like that the argument was not going his way, and decided that your contribution was warranted, also to warn me in a manner that implied your non-existent mod status ("I've gotten away with it so far"... gmafb buddy).

Unsurprisingly, your intervention in that thread also caused the mild argument to get much more heated then it otherwise would have. Curiously enough.

You'll see no trolling behavior in this thread. Ironically, your response here is, indeed and without question, concern trolling.

You can cease your concern for me, Cobra. I'm uninterested given your only-hostile pattern of interaction with me, your mod-complex, your member favoritism, and your idiosyncratic forum rules that I'm wholly uninterested in.

(07-12-2016 09:03 PM)Cobra Wrote:  Yet he is the one considering himself above respect earned by these guys by going at them in such a way.

I'm having a conversation with the man. I in-kind responded to his first wholly negative, otherwise content-free, salvo.

You are asking me to bend over and take it because you like him.

You are couching your reasoning in your profession of "respect".

This is a strange request.

Respect is good, but breaking down this type of forum dynamic is good for the social health of the forum in my opinion.

Men earn their own respect. Some men respect them to a higher degree, and they have yet to earn it from others.

QC has your respect.

I respect him like I baseline respect most non-bitch men (most men), but my personal adulation of him has not risen above that yet.

May it get there? Sure! But it isn't there for me yet. I haven't had that much interaction with him, and I've read some of his articles. Any two men have their own process, and you boys are fucking this process up.

QC's writing in the post that I responded to doesn't help, but it doesn't hurt either and I'm open to reading further writing of his. Also, his response did not help. You guys further don't get the nonsensical nature of your requests given his response. And, btw, every other response has been debating his fanboys.

I don't intellectually respect the writing in his post, because I find it fallacious and invalid. But we all have sub-par essay days, and this essay was that in my opinion. I fully get what he wrote, and I find it to rest on a pattern that only exists when it is politically willful. When it does not, it does not. He presented the pattern like it was a force of nature. We disagree.

And I am my own man and have my own relationships with people, as does QC. So, kindly, butt out.

(07-12-2016 08:44 PM)Cobra Wrote:  I saw this a mile away in your last few "rants" but there were way too many people who respect you in order for me to say anything. Now I feel like I have to.

I wouldn't say that I see it as trollish behavior or rants, but a temper. I do remember hydro having a bit of a temper before he made his return.

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Hydro, I respect your opinions and think you are a pretty smart guy, I just think it would serve your best interest to not take things personally and to not get too heated when we are just sharing thoughts and ideas. Just my two cents.

(07-12-2016 09:45 PM)Gmac Wrote:  You guys are acting like faggots, I'm going to bed.

Kiss and make up boys. Going at each others e-throats isn't going to help anything. Agree to disagree or disagree with respect.

If two guys are going at it, and even if they become mildly insulting to each other, it's still best not to get involved. Picking sides when two men are arguing can take a harmless rivalry and blow it up into a game of politics and one-upsmanship that can end in members quitting or people raging and getting banned.

More often than not, when two men are arguing on this forum it's just a way to air some grievances. Let them speak for themselves and stay out of the discussion, and before you know it bro hugs come out and the differences are resolved with no hard feelings.

Conversely, when other men interfere, it can create the gang-up effect that puts someone on the defensive. It also can make someone look uncriticizable. I'm not taking sides in this, but the way people jump on hydro makes no sense. QC is smart but no man is perfect or above argumentation, so if hydro wants to challenge QC why shouldn't he? QC is a big boy who can handle himself. Jumping into their conversation adds toxicity instead of letting the male bonding process complete itself.

(07-12-2016 08:47 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  So calling a person's argument silly without proper examples of evidence isn't the definition of a jab at QC's intelligence?

No, "silly" is not a jab at intelligence. It's a softer, more conversational way of saying "invalid". However, you can replace all of the "sillies" with "invalid" if it makes you feel better.

Quote:Please go write something of moderate intelligence before you go on harping about somebody's lack thereof as shown in the below quote.

Thanks for the insult.

Justifying my contributions to the likes of you is wholly beneath me.

Quote:It's rude and demeaning to not come up with a proper response to someone like QC who provided examples and made a solid argument.

We disagree on the meaning of "solid argument".

I gave proper responses where required, usually just to invalidate his assertions. Most of which were not properly founded.

Quote:These assertions are wholly to general to not be silly sounding, but I'll again grant you your success in being able to give a "grand speech" ring to your essay.

Quote:Stuff like this sounds you're lecturing a teen with an angst problem not a seasoned writer, traveler, and sage of this forum who has given back to those in need.

For goodness sake, at least quite fellating him for three seconds. I don't give a shit what you guys think of him. Manage your own relationships.

I'll restrict myself from further commenting on his relevant post so that you guys don't spontaneously combust with rage. I'll just leave it at: I don't really have an inclination to restrict my responses to assertive pro-globalist posts, founded on a lot of fallacy, couched in a fantasy that we're moving toward "the end of history" so to speak. This forum is alive with political speech. If you guys can't handle it, perhaps stay away from the political forum. Pro-globalist views deserve to be debated and, no, not always with the utmost tact. Globalist views of history have over-run our culture, and I saw that reflected in QC's views. I responded how I responded. You be your own man, I'll be mine. End of story. If you don't like what I write, don't read it. But don't whine at me like...well, I'll leave it here.

Quote:I honestly haven't seen you give back to any newbies or otherwise with life advice and wisdom.

lol

Quote:This community is about give and take not condescendingly bashing someone tried and true to many whom read this forum.

Try to instill that kind of response in your posts by giving back. It's why so many readily come to QC's defense. Myself included being the recipient of his wisdom. It's most definitely not a cult of personality. It's defending a friend who has helped us in our time of need.

It's bizarre. And you don't know me well enough to comment on my contributions or to give me advice on my posts.

(07-12-2016 09:56 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Jumping into their conversation adds toxicity instead of letting the male bonding process complete itself.

Pic of the bonding process.

(07-12-2016 09:48 PM)All or Nothing Wrote:  

(07-12-2016 08:44 PM)Cobra Wrote:  I saw this a mile away in your last few "rants" but there were way too many people who respect you in order for me to say anything. Now I feel like I have to.

I wouldn't say that I see it as trollish behavior or rants, but a temper. I do remember hydro having a bit of a temper before he made his return.

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Hydro, I respect your opinions and think you are a pretty smart guy, I just think it would serve your best interest to not take things personally and to not get too heated when we are just sharing thoughts and ideas. Just my two cents.

I do argue sharply, but there is no emotion behind it. It's just how I think. I take exception to being attacked, and I give it back. And, I remind everyone, that the temper came out with QC before I responded. Then I got ganged up on by, how many now? But, yeah, calm as a cucumber. You guys should try one-on-one arguments sometime. They're less emotional for all involved.

C'mon guys. Are these gifs and silly photos helping? This will all only inflame the situation.

If this thread can't get back on topic then it will be closed. Hydrogian and QC can take their beef to PM.

QC was definitely being morally condescending and holier-than-thou with his leftist screed that "races don't exist and don't matter, and if you don't agree with that you're a racist that needs to be reeducated." The QC dickriding has been noted. I don't see what people are jumping on Hydrogonians case for.

Hydro, man, just go outside and play some sport.

"Battles so ferocious because the stakes are so low" and all that.

Apologies Hydro I got heated especially when it involved someone that has helped me personally. I'll bow out now.

(07-12-2016 09:52 PM)AntiTrace Wrote:  

(07-12-2016 09:45 PM)Gmac Wrote:  You guys are acting like faggots, I'm going to bed.

Kiss and make up boys. Going at each others e-throats isn't going to help anything. Agree to disagree or disagree with respect.

Former Miss Alabama calls the shooter a martyr.

FWIW, WB.

She's been placed on administrative leave by her employer. I would normally object to people losing their jobs over the stupid shit they say online, but since this woman is of the SJW mindset, I view it as them receiving a taste of their own medicine.

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/201...artyr.html

(07-12-2016 11:26 PM)porscheguy Wrote:  Former Miss Alabama calls the shooter a martyr.

FWIW, WB.

She's been placed on administrative leave by her employer. I would normally object to people losing their jobs over the stupid shit they say online, but since this woman is of the SJW mindset, I view it as them receiving a taste of their own medicine.

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/201...artyr.html

I'm surprised, PBS suspends her ? Shocking.

They saw this shit storm incoming and preemptively suspended her.

(07-12-2016 11:26 PM)porscheguy Wrote:  Former Miss Alabama calls the shooter a martyr.

Cunt.

There was not a lot of talent the year she won.

She was on Hannity and it was absolutely disgraceful and cringeworthy.

She couldn't even answer a simple question, "Do you think he's a martyr?" Just repeats mindless bullshit over Hannity without addressing a single thing he said.

I'm not sure if this country can come together and unite if people are so single-minded in their views. Then when confronted with their stupidity, they cower and make excuses.

This shooting has exposed that the country has never been more divided since the civil rights movment HALF a century ago. Then Obama declares we aren't as divided as it seems, what a joke. The writing is all over the wall.

(07-12-2016 09:47 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  Me "being a dick" seems to = guys not being able to quite put me in my place in either a debate or a heated argument. I remember this pattern of your in the NTP thread, the last time that you interacted with me curiously enough.

1) Free NASA Test Pilot

2) I love taking a jab at LOZ or QC any chance I can because I think for whatever reason the way they type in that historic flowery way combine with their rep points makes members weary of disagreeing with them due to the boyband back up dancer gang comes in for support. Keep in mind I have given them both rep points.

It is nice to see these two have to defend themselves once in awhile.

Meanwhile a high rep member like Samseau gets and handles flack all the time. He doesn't have the guys march out in the white sparkly jackets with spin dance moves to save him.

A few Philando Castile developments:

MN COPS: Newport Cigarette Tax Stamps Tie Gangbanger #PhilandoCastile To Convenience Store Robbery #FalconHeightsShootings

Quote:Minnesota police have told GotNews.com that the authorities linked Lavish Reynolds’s cigarettes to the scene of an armed robbery where the cigarettes were stolen.

GotNews.com’s police sources have confirmed that investigators have linked the cigarette tax stamps from a July 2nd robbery to the vehicle driven by Philando Castile and Lavish Reynolds.

Reynolds, who has since gone on a media tour, may have even been an accomplice.

The robber of the convenience store stole more than a dozen bulky cartons of Newports.

“According to a press release from the St. Anthony Police Department, which contracts for police service in Lauderdale, the two robbed the Super USA store in the 2400 block of Larpenteur Avenue around 7:30 p.m., taking cash from the register and cartons of Newport cigarettes.”

We’re told that the cops ran the tax stamps on the cigarettes in Reynolds’s possession and tied them to the scene of the crime, according to our well-placed Minnesota police source law enforcement.

The vehicle also matched the description of a vehicle used in the robbery.

We’re told that Reynolds was the get away driver and that’s why the cops have impounded the car.

Reynolds, who is a Facebook addict, didn’t post on Facebook for a few days before July 4.

Did she lay low after she and Castile robbed the store?

The cop who shot Philando Castile is Hispanic and says he was reacting to the gun, not his race.

Quote:Jeronimo Yanez, the police officer who killed a black driver during a suburban Minnesota traffic stop this week, reacted to the man's gun — not his race — his attorney said Saturday.

St. Anthony Police Officer Yanez was reacting to "the presence of that gun and the display of that gun" when he opened fire on and killed Philando Castile, Minneapolis attorney Thomas Kelly told the Associated Press in an interview Saturday.

Kelly declined to further elaborate to the AP how Castile, 32, displayed the weapon or the events that led up to the deadly Wednesday traffic stop.

Diamond Reynolds, Castile's girlfriend who was a passenger in the car, streamed the direct aftermath of the shooting live on Facebook. Reynolds said Castile was shot several times after telling the officer he had a gun and a permit to carry it. She also said Castile was shot while reaching for his wallet.

But Kelly maintains Yanez "was reacting to the actions of the driver."

"This had nothing to do with race. This had everything to do with the presence of a gun," Kelly said.

Yanez, who is Latino and has served on the St. Anthony Police Force for four years, is distraught and saddened over the shooting, Kelly said.

#PhilandoCastile’s Mama Is Mad About #LavishReynolds Stealing GoFundMe Cash

Quote:Philando Castile’s mama Valerie Castile is very, very mad that the lying side bitch Lavish Reynolds is claiming a close relationship with her son and taking GoFundMe cash for herself.

Reynolds’s accused theft of GoFundMe money may wind up touching off a debate about the use of GoFundMe in instances of police brutality when all the facts aren’t yet known.

(07-13-2016 12:57 AM)Travesty Wrote:  

(07-12-2016 09:47 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  Me "being a dick" seems to = guys not being able to quite put me in my place in either a debate or a heated argument. I remember this pattern of your in the NTP thread, the last time that you interacted with me curiously enough.

1) Free NASA Test Pilot

2) I love taking a jab at LOZ or QC any chance I can because I think for whatever reason the way they type in that historic flowery way combine with their rep points makes members weary of disagreeing with them due to the boyband back up dancer gang comes in for support. Keep in mind I have given them both rep points.

It is nice to see these two have to defend themselves once in awhile.

Meanwhile a high rep member like Samseau gets and handles flack all the time. He doesn't have the guys march out in the white sparkly jackets with spin dance moves to save him.

So you like to argue with people because people often agree with them?

(07-12-2016 10:13 PM)Roosh Wrote:  If this thread can't get back on topic then it will be closed. Hydrogian and QC can take their beef to PM.

Err...guys? Did you miss this one? The points have been made, nothing but drama left to create. I for one don't want to see this thread closed unnecessarily. If it dies, it dies...don't kill it.

(07-10-2016 11:28 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  @Requiem:

When I was talking about cuckery in modern Germany, I was referring to politics and leadership, not "race."

My arguments here probably won't convince you, but I'm going to try anyway. The best way to cure your racism is through education.

Race obsessions, which are so easy to believe in, do not stand up to scrutiny. The idea that some "races" are superior to others doesn't hold water when you look at global history.

A Chinese could easily point to the achievements of his own people in inventions, literature, science, philosophy, and ethics.

Mexicans can show us the monuments of the Aztecs, Mayas, Toltecs, and Olmecs and talk about their achievements in astronomy and public works.

Peruvians can talk about the great achievements of the Incas and their incredible irrigation and communication systems.

The south Indian (Dravidian) could point to the temples of Madura, Trichinopoly, and Madras, and talk about those building achievements.

The Polynesians had great achievements in navigation; they were exploring the Pacific at a time when other peoples were terrified to step into a canoe.

Civilization has been color-blind.

Even among "white" races there have been many different civilizations. The Semitic peoples produced Assyria, Babylonia, Phoenicia, the Hebrews, and Carthage, as well as Arabs and Islam. On this last point, we can note that the Semitic Arabs conquered a huge tract of land from Spain to Central Asia in the Middle Ages and graced it with science and philosophy at at time when Europe was struggling politically and socially.

All great civilizations were fusions of more than one "race" or ethnicity.

The Greeks? They were a fusion of peoples and ideas from Asia Minor, Crete, Phoenicia, and Egypt. The Romans? Fusions of Etruscans (possibly Near Eastern), Celts, Teutons, and Greeks.

Japanese? A fusion of Chinese, Korean, Polynesian, and native Ainu peoples.

The entire history of the world is the history of population movements. Organisms are not static. They expand to fill the space available to them. As do flies, so do humans. The concept transcends race.

There were also civilizations in Africa: Ethiopians, as well as Kush, Axum, Songhai, etc. If these civilizations did not reach the levels of others it was due to the debilitating influences of geography and climate.

Would a different "race" have done any better in those inhospitable regions? I doubt it.

A large number of peoples and "races" in history have influenced the progress of man. This idea of race "mixing" being bad is just wrong.

In fact, the "race mixing" that worries you so much does play a role in history. Over centuries, different stocks and ethnic groups combine into a gene pool that gets turned over and over. Over the centuries, these strains fuse together to create a new type. To this we add the influences of geography, climate, social systems, etc.

This was how England was created: the fusion of Angles, Jutes, Danes, Normans, Celts, and Romans (a bit) into a new man: the Englishman. This new nation then acquires (or inherits) its own unique ways and character. The influence of geography, climate, society, diet, and politics further shape the formation of a new national identity.

This process can take centuries. It's a long, slow, process.

It's the civilization that makes people what they are, not their racial pedigree. If racial pedigree is a factor, it is a minor one when compared to the others I've listed.

America is still in the mixing stage of its national development. It is a young country; far younger than the civilizations and peoples of Asia, Europe, or Africa.

From the 1600s to about 1848, America's culture was mostly northern European. But after 1850, America opened its doors to huge numbers of immigrants. That process continues to this day. There was also a large population of African slaves imported to the US.

This process of racial fusion is ongoing. It's going on right now. It will not be finished for another 300 years. When it is, we will finally be able to say that there is such a thing as American civilization. "Americans" may have a language very different from English. It may not sound like English at all.

Despite all the turbulence, all the conflict, this process will go on: despite wars, revolutions, collapses, and all the rest.

That's what I think about all this.

The only way to overcome racial antipathies is through travel, education, and what Cicero called "greatness of spirit."

Skimming through the few pages following the above post I noticed that it sparked a somewhat antagonistic debate, but I can't resist contributing my own two cents because I feel there are two fundamental points QC is trying to make here, both of which rest on extremely flawed premises.

Firstly, there is the completely disingenuous assertion that people who wish to maintain the ethnic or racial "purity" of their nations are motivated by the classic definition of racism, namely the belief that their own race is superior to other races. Do such beliefs exist in the world? Certainly.

But they are not widely held by those of us on RVF who advocate ethnic nationalism, so it is frankly insulting for QC to wax poetic about the achievements of the world's various peoples as if our desire to not have our own people bred to extinction rests on our belief that other races/ethnies are unevolved untermenschen. That's total bollocks. We want a future for our race/ethnicity for the same reason parents want a future for their children: it's our race/ethnicity, and it is ours regardless of whether it is superior, inferior, or mediocre.

Believe me, if in the next 50 years the Africans or Chinese or Polynesians manage to land on Mars, master time travel and conquer aging, proving themselves to be the unequivocal "master race," that will not make any of us here less concerned about the extinction of our people. Because our concern for the future of our people is not born out of some misplaced belief in our own racial superiority, but out of normal healthy human group strategy that is ubiquitous among all the races and only declared to be pathological when displayed by whites.

The second point that QC makes is even more flawed than the first. He tries to prove that the extinction-sorry, "evolution"- of peoples is a good thing, and he does so by presenting history in a retroactive fashion. Look, race mixing is great, he says! If it were not for race-mixing, we wouldn't be here today. How can the Germans and the Japanese and the French be against race mixing, when race mixing is what gave rise to the Germans and the Japanese and the French?!

I hope everyone can see the enormous logical error inherent in this type of retroactive, self-justifying argument, but if not, let me illustrate. What was the genesis of today's Mexicans and Latin Americans? It was the conquest, rape, and genocide of the native American population by Spanish invaders. Without the brutal and traumatic experience of Spanish conquest, modern "Latinos" would not exist.

So by QCs logic, Latinos should embrace any potential GenoRape 2.0 with open arms. After all, without the violent "processing" of their ancestors, the current iteration of Latinos would not exist, so surely said processing must have been a good thing, right? How can Latinos be against getting murdered and raped, when murder and rape is what gave rise to Latinos in the first place?

Look, QC, I normally read your posts and find myself nodding my head, but the above was not one of your finest. As Hydrogonian noted in his responses, this reads like something written by a globalist stooge. You are right, history consists of peoples ebbing and flowing and merging, but almost never voluntarily. If you told the Romans in Gaul who were witnessing the dissolution of their civilization at the hands of invading Germanic hordes that one day the resultant mixed breed French would achieve global prominence they almost certainly would not have been consoled, to put it mildly. Likewise, we are not going to be consoled by the suggestion that when we are washed away, we will be replaced by some new half breed that may or may not achieve great things. History is the struggle to not get washed away.