Post: #1101

(04-11-2018 02:31 PM)sterling_archer Wrote:  Are you familiar with the work of ISGP (institute for the study of globalization covert politics)?
https://isgp-studies.com/

Heavy read, but worth it. It has dedicated section for 9/11 and explains authors view on what happened that day. He uses documents and news to present us a story. In short, it was a joint operation between Mossad, Saudis and american deep state. Terrorists were let to hijack and secret services provided all necessary access, training and what not. Saudis financed the thing. The reasons are many and I don't wish to get into them now in length.

https://isgp-studies.com/911-supranation...ts#summary

https://isgp-studies.com/911-supranation...ects#saudi

https://isgp-studies.com/911-supranation...cts#saudi2

https://isgp-studies.com/911-supranation...ects#osama

https://isgp-studies.com/911-supranation...s#pakistan

Thanks for providing these links. While it is likely impossible to prove how the buildings actually went down, it is much more pertinent that it was allowed to happen on purpose. This is what I have believed for a long time.

We already have a precedent for it as well. That was Pearl Harbor. That finally seems to be an issue that is accepted now. It was allowed to happen, so the USA could be manipulated into a war.

I've always been intrigued by all the people who were supposed to show up at the World Trade Center that day. For some reason, they didn't show up.

Post: #1102

The Russians and syrians announced a month ago that chemical weapons were sent across the Turkey border for a false flag operation.

Assad isn't a saint to not use them. But he's not a baffoon to always use them when he's just about to win the battle and when the entire world is saying he will and they'll strike him for it.

It really is ridiculous.

This isn't just a tweet show or nth d chess. Western countries have set things in motion. Russia and Iran made massive moves on the ground in preparation for strikes. If they don't happen it'll be because the cost was deemed too high.

Westerners and Christians are led to kill each other yet again.

Post: #1103

   

Post: #1104

Could pressure from the alt-right be holding off strikes or at least make the President more hesitant?

The National Interest is a conservative magazine but it's more realist than neoconservative - I think their columns more often align with an "alt-right foreign policy" than any other major publication. Here is a good recent post.

Quote:Is the Populist Right Winning Its Pressure Campaign Against Syria Strikes?

April 12, 2018

If President Trump launches retaliatory air strikes against Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad, he risks a revolt from some of his core supporters, particularly in the conservative media.

Are their complaints actually influencing Trump or are they simply an expression of frustration with the administration?

Secretary of Defense James Mattis on Thursday said “we are not going to engage” in the Syrian civil war. However, on the issue of chemical weapons use he notes that “some things are simply inexcusable.”

Earlier Thursday morning, the president’s language was far more equivocal than it had been (but still seemed to indicate some sort of strike, at some point, was inevitable).

Still, the language was pared back from his tweets on Tuesday and Wednesday and, notably, was focused on the Islamic State group and not Assad. The president also heavily implied most of the United States’ work in Syria was already mostly done.

“Never said when an attack on Syria would take place. Could be very soon or not so soon at all! In any event, the United States, under my Administration, has done a great job of ridding the region of ISIS. Where is our ‘Thank you America?’” Trump tweeted Thursday.

Many of the prominent intellectual influences on Trump’s rise, some still in the building at the White House, are either wary or outright hostile to new strikes against Assad.

Based on my conversations with several of these people, the mood against striking Assad is far more hostile from this contingent that it was last spring, when the U.S. pursued similar action in response to chemical weapons use.

Tucker Carlson, the keynote Fox News host, “the populist paladin of primetime” and perhaps now the most prominent opponent of neoconservatism in America, launched into an extraordinary opening monologue Monday night on the subject: not only did Carlson decry the possibility of airstrikes, but he openly questioned, in no uncertain terms, the emerging intelligence consensus that Assad is to blame.

“All the geniuses tell us that Assad killed those children,” said Carlson. “But do they really know that? Of course they don’t. They’re making it up. They have no real idea what happened. Actually, both sides in the Syrian civil war possess chemical weapons. How would Assad benefit from using chlorine gas last weekend? He wouldn’t.”

“In 2013, when the Syrian civil war was still in its early days, one onlooker weighed in on Twitter,” Carlson said. “‘We should stay the Hell out of Syria. The ‘rebels’ are just as bad as the current regime. What will we get for our lives and billions of dollars? Zero.’ … Of course you know who wrote that: Donald Trump. He was right. That’s one of the reasons he got elected.”

Others are also flummoxed by Trump’s foreign policy tergiversations. Ann Coulter messaged me yesterday: “How is President Trump different from President Rubio, President Kasich or President Jeb! -- other than we got Jared & Ivanka! WHEW! I guess there's less criminal prosecution of conservatives under Trump than there would be under Hillary.”

A source close to the White House told me that this is a “huge test for the president’s commitment to America First---because Syria is not a vital national security interest of the United States.” An administration source in a message to me openly questioned why Assad would use chemical weapons after essentially winning the war.

Nigel Farage, friendly with both the president and former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon, indicated this week: “Look I don’t know whether Assad used chemical weapons or not. I don’t know why he would given he is winning the war anyway.”

He added: “But even if we knew it was him, and we decided we are going to attack military bases, attack the palace, if the result of concerted action with us, the Americans and the French results in the overthrow of Assad, is that the right thing for us to do?” He has also appeared on Fox with such a message.

Laura Ingraham has addressed the matter on her show, as well, at the 10pm slot. On Tuesday she tweeted: “Interesting that most Syrian Christians are overwhelmingly against more US airstrikes in their country and believe they’ll prolong this horrific civil war.”

Tomi Lahren, one of the most prominent -- if not the most prominent -- Fox hosts under the age of age of 35 closed her show on Tuesday with this: “It’s time for final thoughts. Wouldn’t it be nice if we could remove Bashar Assad from power, unify Syria, keep ISIS and al-Qaeda out, and tame Iranian influence in the region? It sure would. But this is the real world, and the last thing we should do is continue our involvement in another Mideast disaster.”

It’s a remarkable development, especially for a network that once largely supported the Iraq war under George W. Bush.

As left-wing journalist Glenn Greenwald tweeted, tacitly defending Fox: “As Trump prepares to bomb Syrian Govt targets (again), 2 of the loudest media voices against it are Tucker Carlson & Laura Ingraham (sorry, just a fact). For all the talk about ‘state TV,’ were any similar levels of dissent aired on MSNBC about Obama's various bombing campaigns?”

Could the pressure campaign be working? It is remarkably similar to the one pursued by many of these same figures, namely Carlson, Coulter and Bannon, that earlier this year pushed the president back toward the hard right on immigration.

After Mattis’ statement Thursday, a source in this milieu texted me: “Victory?”

Curt Mills is foreign-affairs reporter at the National Interest.

Keep up the fight against the swamp.

Post: #1105

This is why we should not stay silent and wait when Trump tweets stupid sabre-rattling nonsense, even if it is 4D chess theatre. Our responses on Twitter and in article comments are essential to help turn the tide of government and public opinion and prevent neocon warmongering ever getting green-lit.

Post: #1106

Germany and Italy seem to have found their balls and told the US to get fucked. They're not taking part in any action against Syria.

Post: #1107

(04-13-2018 10:46 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  Germany and Italy seem to have found their balls and told the US to get fucked. They're not taking part in any action against Syria.

What is pathetic is that Macaron is ridiculously banging war drums over 48 deads in a chemical attack allegedly done by Assad, but meanwhile, he shamelessly sucks the dick of Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince (and even had dinner with him at the Louvre last week) and hence validates the Saudi-led genocidal war in Yemen, where more than 10,000 people have already been killed (and continue to be killed on a daily basis) and millions displaced and on the brink of starvation. And of course he continues selling weapons to Saudi Arabia, so that they can strike harder. What an hypocrit.

Post: #1108

(04-13-2018 10:35 AM)rotekz Wrote:  This is why we should not stay silent and wait when Trump tweets stupid sabre-rattling nonsense, even if it is 4D chess theatre. Our responses on Twitter and in article comments are essential to help turn the tide of government and public opinion and prevent neocon warmongering ever getting green-lit.

Exactly, if your friend is about to commit a massive mistake, do you tell them or do you say "wait and see" and let them fuck up?

Trump is the chaos candidate, we should all know that he leads by creating conflict, letting people duke it out, then makes a decision based on the reaction.

Post: #1109

Huge task force of 12 warships sets sail for Syria in one of the biggest concentrations of US naval power since the 2003 Iraq invasion

Quote:A huge task force of 12 warships is setting sail for Syria in one of the biggest concentrations of US naval power since the 2003 Iraq invasion, it has emerged.

The giant nuclear powered USS Harry S Truman, carrying 90 aircraft and escorted by its five-strong strike group of destroyers and cruisers, is powering towards Europe and the Middle East.

A further four destroyers are believed to be in or near the Mediterranean already, including the Donald Cook, Porter, Carney and Laboon along with two nuclear-powered submarines, Georgia and John Warner.

Quote:Also among the strike group's ships is the German frigate FGS Hessen, a state-of-the-art vessel specialising in air defense.

US Navy officials said the Hessen is the only type of ship in the Western world with three kinds of surface-to-air missiles. Its radar has a detection range of more than 200 nautical miles for air targets.

Article is a bit click-baity and long winded but basically we're sending a carrier strike group out to the middle east area. According to the Navy it's "regularly scheduled deployment".

Harry S. Truman Carrier Strike Group Departs on Deployment

Quote:NORFOLK (NNS) -- The Harry S. Truman Carrier Strike Group (HSTCSG) departed Naval Station Norfolk, April 11, for a regularly scheduled deployment.

The strike group, including aircraft carrier USS Harry S. Truman (CVN 75), Carrier Air Wing (CVW) 1, USS Normandy (CG 60), several destroyers of Destroyer Squadron (DESRON) 28 and German frigate FGS Hessen (F 221), is scheduled to conduct operations in the U.S. Navy's 5th and 6th Fleet areas of responsibility.

The deployment is part of an ongoing rotation of U.S. forces supporting maritime security operations in international waters around the globe. Additionally, HSTCSG units will work alongside allied and partner maritime forces, focusing on theater security cooperation efforts, which help to further regional stability.

Read into that what you may.

Also, this:

Post: #1110

Post: #1111

(04-13-2018 11:56 AM)Once Was Not Wrote:  Also, this:

Zero Hedge has more detail but I can't find any actual evidence of UK involvement from the Russians yet.

Quote:on Friday morning, Russia's foreign minister Sergey Lavrov said Moscow had "irrefutable evidence" that the attack - which allegedly killed more than 40 people in an April 7 chemical weapons strike on the former rebel outpost of Douma -was staged with the help of a foreign secret service.

"We have irrefutable evidence that this was another staged event, and that the secret services of a certain state that is now at the forefront of a Russophobic campaign was involved in this staged event," he said during a press conference according to AFP.

Speculation that said "certain state" was the UK was confirmed shortly after, when Russia's defense ministry alleged that Britain was involved in the suspected chemical attack. According to defense ministry spokesman, Major General Igor Konashenkov, the Kremlin has evidence that Britain was behind the attack.

Quoted by Reuters, he said: "We have... evidence that proves Britain was directly involved in organising this provocation."

As RT further adds, the Russian Defense Ministry presented what it says is "proof that the reported chemical weapons attack in Syria was staged."

Post: #1112

I don't doubt it - weaselly tricks is how we Brits operate.

I'd still want to see this hard evidence of course first.

Post: #1113

(04-13-2018 02:04 PM)Sandstorm Wrote:  I don't doubt it - weaselly tricks is how we Brits operate.

You have even one weasel as avatar.

Post: #1114

Looks like Bolton won the battle vs. Mattis.

Happy Friday the 13th !

Post: #1115

(04-11-2018 02:31 PM)sterling_archer Wrote:  https://isgp-studies.com/

Radical link.

Post: #1116

The navy deployment is stated as a regular thing planned prior to anything happening now. Things can change.

Post: #1117

Missile defense systems are shooting at cruise missiles. Planes are in the air. Hopefully this doesn't get ugly.

Post: #1118

Pentagon will issue a statement at 10pm EST (3am GMT).

Few videos and pictures out of Syria at the moment but as usual with these things it takes time.

Post: #1119

Que ?

Post: #1120

Pentagon keeps saying its going to be some one-off strikes but yet didn't we move significant units into the area which are going to stay there?

This whole thing is a huge pile of shit.

Post: #1121

Well at least we got some good news with the recent hungarian election!... but as far as im concerned there is no good side in this. Russia is not a moral paragon Whatsoever, the uk is an orwellian state, france might as well be little mecca and the deep united states of america is run by satanists (trump doesnt count), fuck em all.

Post: #1122

Fuck Trump jewish piece of shit.

This was the day Trump became the most hated man in recent history.

History will shame his name.

Post: #1123

Here we go, 'ere we go, 'ere we go...

US and allies launch strikes on Syria chemical weapons sites

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-43762251

Post: #1124

(04-13-2018 09:31 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  Fuck Trump jewish piece of shit.

This was the day Trump became the most hated man in recent history.

History will shame his name.

It all hinges on Russia's response. If Russia fucks up our shit we are going to be sorry.
I hope Trump pulled another fake out and bombed some trash dumps and soccer fields.

Post: #1125

As it looks now it seem like the Russian sat back and did not respond. I was looking at https://syria.liveuamap.com where I saw this quote from Gen. Dunford.
" Russian guns and missiles remained silent during US, UK, French strikes, said only response came from Syrian military who fired some surface-to-air missiles to no effect"