Post: #76

(12-15-2015 12:25 AM)RexImperator Wrote:  

Quote:Getting women is VERY easy,

I'm skeptical about that statement...

I agree with Quintus. One's life is in the present moment. Most people go through life without living it. The "future" is really just a projection of your mind. Living based only on hope for the future is nothing but a rationalization for resisting and denying your current reality. True "prosperity" is being grateful for who you are, where you are, and what you have now.

I don't know how old you are. I do remember being in college and I remember being new to picking up and impressing women. It did feel like an accomplishment and it was something I was proud of, no doubt about it.

But as a man ages, grows and becomes confident, getting women just isn't all that difficult. Women are attracted to confident men. Now getting confidence isn't easy, it comes with lots of growing/learning/winning and losing. But it does come when you keep working hard. And when you are confident in yourself, women can see this and they gravitate towards it.

I am lucky to be tall. I work out everyday, even if I can't get to the gym I still do yoga and such. I dress very well, because the way you dress will make people treat you in a manner you wish to be treated. If you wear hoodies and your pants sagging, people thing you are a hoodrat. If you wear suits, like I tend to do, people think you are important and powerful.

So women are always giving me IOI's. Hard looks, checking me out, overly friendly to me, and I know it is there if I want it, but I don't. What I want is freedom from my cubical. Freedom from having to work for someone else. Freedom from ever having to be at work by __ o'clock. Freedom from having to answer to anyone but myself. And this is VERY difficult and a TRUE accomplishment.

Post: #77

I really understand what IIMT is saying.

After living outside of the Anglosphere and experiencing cultures which are very 'red pill' and that have a realistic view on what it means to be a man. The whole chasing after and having sex with new women starts to lose its novelty. Especially after being with a certain number of attractive women, they begin to lose value. Especially as it becomes clear that their attraction to you, is so interchangeable and it is actually very conditional. What does become valued if anything, is whether she will add some value to your life other than sex. I have been with some very attractive girls but they were complete headcases or simply too stupid.

Even being back in somewhere like London or New York, I carry this experience with me and it helps enormously. No sexual resentment, no frustration and in general even in the difficult places to meet attractive women such as in London. Becomes no longer a real hard task, as you know what is actually real and natural in opposition to this strange market unbalance you see in liberal countries.

If you grew up in the Anglosphere however, and were conditioned to believe all that fairy tale politically correct bullshit, then you probably never had experienced this, what I believe to be, a very natural process in becoming a man. Understanding that chasing after women for some end result will quite simply keep going on forever and forever.

There is so much more to being a man that getting with women. I find it so saddening to see men in the U.K for example; giving away so much energy and time to pursuing one night stands or hooking up with women and then behaving like teenager girls when they break up with them. Or bragging about some woman they had sex with the night before. If they could realise how easily women give away sex to sometimes random strangers, they would realise that this isn't an accomplishment most of the time. Generally speaking men in Moscow for example understand this. They understand about hypergamy, they have a strong purpose and they don't have complexes involving the opposite sex because its a reality which they are told about from a young age.

There is an understanding that they are nothing when they are younger. And that you become, what you do. Just having this realisation on this own, hardens you up a lot more and gives you a real beneficial perspective when it comes to dealing with women or dealing with life in general.

Of course there has to be a middle ground and a balance, but what IIMT is trying to say. Is that he wants to focus on his goals and keep women out of his life until he has created the life of his vision. If he can do that, then massive respect to him. I would like to do the same. People are probably truly though, a few of MGTOWs I have listened to on youtube seem to be bitter and potential Elliot Rogers in the making.

Post: #78

I have thought that I will write and update you guys, after have been reflecting recently a lot, how it is personally for me:

It seems that there is no movement, philosophy out there which Im fitting into it at a 100% level, what is absolutely ok because I do not need to be labeled or categorized to feel all right.

But there are some philosophies from where I can take certain elements which are doing well for me.
To only name a few:
Buddhism, ACT-therapy, PU, neomasculine community, manosphere and even MGTOW.

Due to the topic of the thread I will only refer shortly to the latter one - MGTOW:

So what can I take for myself?

-> the attitude to value yourself and other goals before any women on this planet.
And no, in these days I do not see it anymore as an accomplishment to have a high notch-count though I remind the times where it was like that and this is absolutely fine and I think even very important for future enlightment and hence I even encourage PU-Newbies to game as hard as possible at the beginning of their path (but this would go to far for this thread - it has to do with that it is more easy to go deeper from a point of abundance than a point of lack and this is true for all areas in human life, not only for intergender dynamics - keyword: pyramid of Pawel Maslow)

-> some human-psychological education about the female psychology

->demonstrating that marriage is an investment for men with a negative expectation value in the long run, in these days.

-> showing an alternative lifestyle with alternative solutions - one concrete example:
If a man would wish to reproduce, he can choose the way of getting a surrogate mother in SA, SEA or EE, these days when he does not wanna join the common way (for good reasons).

What I do not like about MGTOW:

-> some guys there are pretty defensive about life in general, like the poster It_is_my_time prooves here.
I like the advice which Quintus Curtiuse has given him before, which is to realize and fully accept your own mortality.
I mean, delaying his happiness and life is just not the way to go - it is a huuuuge trap for all of us!
And this is what I think people like it_is_my_time are doing at least at some degre - that is pitty because from his posts you can easily read that he has some passion, ambitions, smartness and more, in himself inside.

-> denying your biological imperative of wanting to have sex with women or even worse to think that watching porns would be a solid substitute to having reallife sex with women.
Sure, your sexdrive will decrease by times, but it will be for ever existent - I for myself want to fully continue to accept my sexuality and enjoy my sex-life forever.

-> Many MGTOW-people have a lot of hate towards women, but this is also true even in this community.
I think one solution (or a first step towards it) is to start accepting the female nature (what MGTOW does a better job of, but then they do not go further since they mainly focus on the negatives) with knowing bout their parameters which are potentially dangerous to us men, but also knowing about their parameters from which we can benefit.
Like I like dating constantly women and maintaining my harem because I simply like to spend time with them because on average women are more playfully than men and especially they are capable of being more in the presence or in the moment.
Form the latter one you can actually learn a lot from women, regards to mindfullness.
And I also enjoy having sex with them - it is simple as that because that is one fact-parameter of my biological human nature.
But I also know due to my education about female psychology and some environmental circumstances that I think today it is a better general (not in 100%, but in the vast majority) masterplan for men to

a.) never get married
b.) having longterm relationships with cautious and avoiding them if possible - like for me there is no reason to offering a LTR because by living in SEA and being successful in many areas (yes, also in the financial area due to lots of passion and hard work - I cannot see why some PU-companies are denying so hard or at least putting so little emphasis on the fact that next to looks, self confidence, game and many other aspects, also the point of having your shit together is attractive for women), I just can have all the time a harem of nice and hot girls, which I really appreciate and enjoy.

But also here I am not bluepilled what many men or rather some men in this community kinda seem to be.
Yeah, you are right on average your hottie in SA, EE, SEA will give you a way way way better time to enjoy together and you get just more back for offering your valueable time.

BUT:
It is not that on average the female psychology is there different - no, it is not.
And in fact, all red-pilled people who live longtime (not travelling around - really living longtime) in those women-paradises, do understand very well that

a.) those places are indeed great for spending time with women cause it is extremely fun, they are more feminine and they give you a lot back for your time

b.) the women there are as well not a good deal (on average) regards to LTRs or even marriages.

It is always for me disturbing to observe how legit high-count-posters with a lot of overall knowledge and in many areas redpilled men are suddenly putting those foreign women on a pedastel.... that scares me almost xD

Again:
It is a good idea to move there if you can, because let's be honest, Im fucking living the life and Im very greatful and thankful for it, but it is not that the circumstances there are so different that your overall gameplan and masterplan should suddenly change a lot.


Ok, that' s it, I guess.

Seems that I do not really fit anywhere 100% - but thats all right^^

Maybe I will start one day my own movement, hehe xD

Still, it was a good thread in my opinion and it was interesting to see here many different views, highly appreciated^^


Regards,
Highlander

Post: #79

Thank you for the kind words Constitution45. I agree whole heartedly with you. There certainly are many in the MGTOW that are more on the bitter/negative end of the spectrum. I hope for their sake they are just in the red pill rage stage of life and pass through it to true enlightenment one day. I was there many years ago myself. And it seems to almost be a necessary step in moving from brainwashed blue pill beta male to red pill enlightenment.

I noticed it a lot with Christmas commercials this year. 15 years ago I would think "why can't that be me, so happy with such a sexy, cool chick?". 10 years ago it was "one day, I hope I can have that sexy, cool chick in that commercial". 5 years ago it was "That commercial is such a scam, no one has a life like that in the USA these days.". Today it is 'What brilliant advertising, what can I learn from it and use from it". I guess it is all part of the long process of accepting the red pill truths.

I'm not being defensive in the least Highlander. I want young men to swallow the red pill, sow their wild oats, and be very careful with it at the same time. If I was against men getting with women or traveling overseas for women, then I would not post here. Instead I am very much in favor of it.

But it isn't in the cards for me. I work a job that would never let me off for long enough to enjoy another country. And I am thankful to have a job as bad as the economy has been for so long. I am not in a position where I can take a risk and quit my job and try to start a business either. And I have no desire to get involved with most American women, and I have no desire to deal with this extremely anti-male system. So MGTOW is the right path for me. If my finances get to a point where I can have more in my life, then I will be the first to go off and do it. Until then, I simply have to face reality, and be thankful for all the great things I do have going for me, and stay positive, strong, and grow stronger and wiser every day.

Post: #80

I have to put in my own 2 cents here. I do not think that men who decide to follow this path should be demonized. Yes I agree that some of them are wallowing in the anger phase a bit too long. But should the entire philosophy be written off simply because of the fact that they're angry? Aren't we all angry at what's happening now?

I think that many men on this forum, and on the manosphere in general, wanted nothing more than the "American dream:" white picket fence, house in the suburbs, feminine, nurturing wife, 2.5 kids and a dog. Your individual mileage may vary of course, but for the most part I think that's what a lot of we red pill men really wanted deep down, and many still want it. Even Roosh, after more than a decade of playing the game, is considering settling down. But this lifestyle is just not possible anymore in the west, and is becoming less possible in the east. That leaves us with 3 real options as men.

1) Embrace the game and bang as many women as possible.
2) Attempt to settle down in a legal system that is totally stacked against us and pray we succeed.
3) Go our own way, not necessarily completely rejecting the possibility of having a woman (or women, if you are so inclined) in your life, though working to make the best of it with or without them.

Things just don't seem to be getting better, here and abroad. The quality of women is steadily decreasing. Marriage is essentially dead. It is even becoming dangerous to have casual hookups now, even though that is the choice that is championed here. If a tall, jacked, cocky alpha male can be screwed over by a rape accusation, what chance does the average man (aka 99% of us) have? Virtually zero.

If the path you choose is to game until you can't anymore, that's perfectly fine. However, not everyone desires to follow this path. That does not necessarily mean that if you become an MGTOW, or at least adapt a few of the principles in your own life, that you are a basement-dwelling video game obsessed neckbeard with no abilities or social life to speak of. Nor does it mean that you are swearing off women forever and embracing a life of celibacy. Perhaps things will improve in society. Perhaps you may find a good woman along the way, and try to make a go at monogamy with her. However, I'm not getting my hopes up. At the moment, this is how things are, and they are unlikely to change any time soon. So be it.

This post is NOT coming from a place of anger. It is NOT coming from a place of despair. These are simply my personal views of the world we currently find ourselves in, and my views on MGTOW. I am also not saying that we should simply roll over and die from the leftism that is running rampant. I am neither advocating nor denouncing fighting back against the system. Where I think both players and MGTOWs are in agreement, however, is that life is brief, and we should enjoy it is best as possible, regardless of how we choose to go about enjoying it.

Post: #81

As many have pointed out, I know some great MGTOW who decided to funnel their positive energy into helping others and leading a better life instead of the futile and, to them, immoral chase of women.

Let's face it, it's very hard to be highly successful with women if you are a very straight up and honest type of guys. We are not all psychopaths but we aint certainly no saints.

The worst part of the movement is, however, the message it sends: it means you are giving up. And giving up is the least manly thing you can ever do.

Instead of uniting and doing something about it like Roosh did, these men simply drop out. Let's not discuss the pro and cons of doing so here.

But the very act of dropping out doesn't send the message they want, that they are tired of women's shit. It just means that they stop existing in the sexual market place.

And here's the thing: they never existed, their presence was never recognized. The only men that exist in a women's world are those who are attractive. You think Sally the accountant whore notices that Steve, Bob and Jack suddenly quit work because they have enough of the system? No. She never even noticed them at all. In her mind it's still: "why isn't that ripped, handsome security guard look my way? I hope he rip my dress off in the company's elevator"

Not to mention that MGTOW play into the hands of the elites and their goal of global depopulation too, according to Roosh new article.


In effect, MGTOW will do very little to the sexual status quo though it might eventually fuck up the economy. However, the very symbolic message of a man giving up part of this raison-d etre because he lived in a fucked up world that he could not change, is anathema to the true ideals of manhood. If our ancestors did that we wouldn't be here today. I guess that's why true redpillers hate the movement.

Post: #82

(12-16-2015 04:44 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  As many have pointed out, I know some great MGTOW who decided to funnel their positive energy into helping others and leading a better life instead of the futile and, to them, immoral chase of women.

Let's face it, it's very hard to be highly successful with women if you are a very straight up and honest type of guys. We are not all psychopaths but we aint certainly no saints.

The worst part of the movement is, however, the message it sends: it means you are giving up. And giving up is the least manly thing you can ever do.

Instead of uniting and doing something about it like Roosh did, these men simply drop out. Let's not discuss the pro and cons of doing so here.

But the very act of dropping out doesn't send the message they want, that they are tired of women's shit. It just means that they stop existing in the sexual market place.

And here's the thing: they never existed, their presence was never recognized. The only men that exist in a women's world are those who are attractive. You think Sally the accountant whore notices that Steve, Bob and Jack suddenly quit work because they have enough of the system? No. She never even noticed them at all. In her mind it's still: "why isn't that ripped, handsome security guard look my way? I hope he rip my dress off in the company's elevator"

Not to mention that MGTOW play into the hands of the elites and their goal of global depopulation too, according to Roosh new article.


In effect, MGTOW will do very little to the sexual status quo though it might eventually fuck up the economy. However, the very symbolic message of a man giving up part of this raison-d etre because he lived in a fucked up world that he could not change, is anathema to the true ideals of manhood. If our ancestors did that we wouldn't be here today. I guess that's why true redpillers hate the movement.

Has it occurred to you that these men may very well be aware that they are not making a dent in the sexual marketplace? Perhaps they have realized that they are not desired as anything more than a backup for women after the alphas are done pumping and dumping them, and they are rightfully saying "Fuck that."

I think we are agreed that most men at their core are essentially good men, not saints but not psychopaths either, they are simply trying to make a way in the world for themselves without causing anyone harm. Unfortunately, as we know, women are naturally attracted to "dark" men who don't give a damn about anyone or anything but themselves, and our society today no longer discourages them from gravitating towards these men. In fact, it is all but encouraged.

Perhaps it might play into the hands of the elites' depopulation efforts, but what's the alternative? Wife up a woman past reproductive age who most likely is an alpha widow of some kind or has been fucked by at least several other guys before you? While surrogacy might be an option, it would not be fair to the children, who deserve to have a father and mother.

I'm not claiming to know what the solution is. But what is clear more than anything else is that we are losing badly, and what we're doing isn't working. For the moment, we'll simply have to continue to reside in two camps: MGTOW and players, though both in the end lead to the same place: extinction.

Post: #83

(12-16-2015 05:55 PM)rw95 Wrote:  For the moment, we'll simply have to continue to reside in two camps: MGTOW and players, though both in the end lead to the same place: extinction.

Well, I think there is a lot of territory in-between those camps where many of us reside.

Being MGTOW as a 20 year old is very different from an experienced 45 year old or an 80 year old.

If an 80 year old guy suddenly says, "Ya know what youngster's, I'm tired of gaming them bitches. Been dong it for 65 years now. I'd rather hang out on the porch with my dog, play my harmonica, drink a cold one and enjoy the view."

Who can fault him for that?

Post: #84

(12-16-2015 05:55 PM)rw95 Wrote:  [quote='Dalaran1991' pid='1172175' dateline='1450302279']


Perhaps it might play into the hands of the elites' depopulation efforts, but what's the alternative? Wife up a woman past reproductive age who most likely is an alpha widow of some kind or has been fucked by at least several other guys before you? While surrogacy might be an option, it would not be fair to the children, who deserve to have a father and mother.

I'm not claiming to know what the solution is. But what is clear more than anything else is that we are losing badly, and what we're doing isn't working. For the moment, we'll simply have to continue to reside in two camps: MGTOW and players, though both in the end lead to the same place: extinction.

That is exactly the same dilemma I am seeing.
It seems that setteling down is for most men in our today's world not anymore the smartest thing to do, in the long run.
But I also cannot find a solid replacement-solution for human reproduction.

Post: #85

These MGTOW guys sure type a lot

Also important to note that neomasculinity supports having children.

Post: #86

(12-17-2015 04:20 AM)262 Wrote:  These MGTOW guys sure type a lot

Also important to note that neomasculinity supports having children.

In which way?
I mean the common to wife up a woman and settle down is and will be even more in the future out of the question due to the fact that marriages do not work anymore as a concept what the high and constantly increasing divorce rates are prooving.
So please tell me in which way do the advice to reproduce because I am all about reproduction and having once children but I prefer to fuck around within my harem and keep rotating it while enjoying my life nad pursuing my goals instead of joining no more working concepts such as marriages and LTRs.

So please my fellow countryman enlighten me

Post: #87

(12-17-2015 06:55 AM)Highlander Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 04:20 AM)262 Wrote:  These MGTOW guys sure type a lot

Also important to note that neomasculinity supports having children.

In which way?
I mean the common to wife up a woman and settle down is and will be even more in the future out of the question due to the fact that marriages do not work anymore as a concept what the high and constantly increasing divorce rates are prooving.
So please tell me in which way do the advice to reproduce because I am all about reproduction and having once children but I prefer to fuck around within my harem and keep rotating it while enjoying my life nad pursuing my goals instead of joining no more working concepts such as marriages and LTRs.

So please my fellow countryman enlighten me

IMO, I don't think the elites want to necessarily de-populate the earth, at least not yet. It might be a plan later down the road once they have enough power/control to really push for mass exterminations of some kind.

If the elites wanted to de-populate the earth, they would focus their energy on the areas where population growth is still large and shut it down. Instead many of their efforts seem to go to support and protect these areas.

I think the elites want to destroy the middle class in the western world. The elites need the upper middle class. The doctors, the men who discover and solve complex problems, the men who innovate and create. So they can have consistent technology improvements. And the elites need a large and mostly dumb working class that is happy to live on next to nothing and do the required manual labor.

But the people in the middle. The guys working in an office cubical doing regular lower level IT work, or finance or accounting, these guys are just in the road. Soon technology will replace what they do. And these guys are smart enough to know that something is wrong and these pesky guys support people like Trump who want to put a kibosh on it all.

If you look at the system in the west, if you are upper or lower class, you are doing good. The upper class has tons of tax breaks and investment opportunities. They live in gated communities and send their kids to top notch private schools. The lower class does minimal work and still lives a life far better than most the rest of the world.

But the people in the middle get screwed over and they are the ones dropping out of the family building picture. The poor people and rich people are still having kids. The middle class wisely is not.

So how do you remedy this?

You have two choices...

1) Wait until you achieve upper class status and give your kids a great life. Private schools, gated communities, and above the fray living.

2) Give your kids a shitty life. Whether you work hard to provide for them or not, it will not matter. They will go to shitty public schools, be stuck around the ghetto feral children and be at increased risks for being destroyed by the system.

If you want to give your kids a great life, then you must first be in a great financial position. If you really don't care much about your kids, then have a go at it now.

I am waiting until I am in the upper class before I have kids. I want them to have a great life. And if I don't make it there, then I will not have kids.

Post: #88

Firstly, theyve got a silly acronym.

Post: #89

There is no challenge being an MGTOW.

Post: #90

I think you can find all kinds of challenges, whether it be regarding fitness, learning new skills, hobbies, etc.

If the only women you can attract don't meet a certain threshold of quality, why put in so much effort to chase them?

Post: #91

I think something that has to be considered, that often isn't, is personality type. Not all of us experience the same drive to chase girls. I have a pretty high sex drive, but am easily able to channel it towards more productive things. I have next to no interest in one night stands, and only have them when they fall into my lap, I'll never go out looking to get laid. It's not a judgment on anyone else, but I do think that there is an element here of people looking to attach some kind of objective value to their own emotional and physiological needs. Although I'm not on the same road as IIMT, I have a profound respect for the ideas he is espousing, and a good deal of sympathy. I remain optimistic that I will meet a girl I want to marry, who will compliment and sufficiently challenge my own nature, and that it will happen sooner rather than later.

I have had some success with girls - I've slept with a number of models, an actress, and currently a professional ballerina. But honestly it's brought very little fulfillment to my mind and soul in the way that time spent with close friends does. Because I want to meet a girl who shares my values, and who aspires to the same ideals as me, I recognise that I need to be out and dating. But honestly, the process itself brings very little satisfaction, and nor do the girls themselves beyond the fleeting moments of physicality. It is the search for something deeper, a more soulful connection that drives me on. Clearly it is not the same drive that many here feel in their pursuit of the life of the player, and I can respect that, but I would not pretend to understand the desire to shag about for the sake of it without ever having children or getting married. That to me seems to be a hollow life, and I would personally feel like I could use my time more productively than casual dating and casual sex. That is not to say I think those of you who do chase that have the wrong idea, or are shallow individuals - simply that you and I are not wired the same. Just as you and IIMT are not wired the same, and to try to convert him to your values is to try to impose a reality on him that may be real to you, but would not be real to him or me. We may all be men, but within that broad classification there is plenty of room for variation on what we consider a life well lived; for some it will be a triple figure notch count, for others it may be quiet evenings reading in front of the fire. To try to impose your life well lived on another is to try to force that person to deny their nature, rather than to seek to moderate the lonelier aspects of it.

Post: #92

(12-17-2015 08:08 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 06:55 AM)Highlander Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 04:20 AM)262 Wrote:  These MGTOW guys sure type a lot

Also important to note that neomasculinity supports having children.

In which way?
I mean the common to wife up a woman and settle down is and will be even more in the future out of the question due to the fact that marriages do not work anymore as a concept what the high and constantly increasing divorce rates are prooving.
So please tell me in which way do the advice to reproduce because I am all about reproduction and having once children but I prefer to fuck around within my harem and keep rotating it while enjoying my life nad pursuing my goals instead of joining no more working concepts such as marriages and LTRs.

So please my fellow countryman enlighten me

IMO, I don't think the elites want to necessarily de-populate the earth, at least not yet. It might be a plan later down the road once they have enough power/control to really push for mass exterminations of some kind.

If the elites wanted to de-populate the earth, they would focus their energy on the areas where population growth is still large and shut it down. Instead many of their efforts seem to go to support and protect these areas.

I think the elites want to destroy the middle class in the western world. The elites need the upper middle class. The doctors, the men who discover and solve complex problems, the men who innovate and create. So they can have consistent technology improvements. And the elites need a large and mostly dumb working class that is happy to live on next to nothing and do the required manual labor.

But the people in the middle. The guys working in an office cubical doing regular lower level IT work, or finance or accounting, these guys are just in the road. Soon technology will replace what they do. And these guys are smart enough to know that something is wrong and these pesky guys support people like Trump who want to put a kibosh on it all.

If you look at the system in the west, if you are upper or lower class, you are doing good. The upper class has tons of tax breaks and investment opportunities. They live in gated communities and send their kids to top notch private schools. The lower class does minimal work and still lives a life far better than most the rest of the world.

But the people in the middle get screwed over and they are the ones dropping out of the family building picture. The poor people and rich people are still having kids. The middle class wisely is not.

So how do you remedy this?

You have two choices...

1) Wait until you achieve upper class status and give your kids a great life. Private schools, gated communities, and above the fray living.

2) Give your kids a shitty life. Whether you work hard to provide for them or not, it will not matter. They will go to shitty public schools, be stuck around the ghetto feral children and be at increased risks for being destroyed by the system.

If you want to give your kids a great life, then you must first be in a great financial position. If you really don't care much about your kids, then have a go at it now.

I am waiting until I am in the upper class before I have kids. I want them to have a great life. And if I don't make it there, then I will not have kids.

I really like your thoughts here and at this point I would guess that you are in general a strong reflecting thinker.
Hence I would like to ask you if you could take a shot at my direct original question ,
what is a solid way for red pill men to reproduce in today's world.
I really think that reproducing is for obvious reasons mandatory, but I struggle to find longterm solid ways to do so in our world where nobody of the involved human beings have to suffer longterm in a high probability (never the men, nor the women and of course also not the offspring).

Post: #93

I got long winded, so I apologize.

Red Pill men have two choices...

1) Just find the best quality woman you can find, which is slim pickings in the west, and hope for the best and be prepared for a very long, hard battle with the entire system fighting to keep you and your kids down. This is a very tough go of it as the elites seem to want to destroy the middle class.

2) Be patient, wait, and find yourself and your purpose in life. Follow your purpose and find great financial success. And then you and your kids will be more insulated from the elites and their wicked schemes.

I am going route #2. But it is up to each man to decide for himself.

Post: #94

(12-17-2015 12:24 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  I got long winded, so I apologize.

Red Pill men have two choices...

1) Just find the best quality woman you can find, which is slim pickings in the west, and hope for the best and be prepared for a very long, hard battle with the entire system fighting to keep you and your kids down. This is a very tough go of it as the elites seem to want to destroy the middle class.

2) Be patient, wait, and find yourself and your purpose in life. Follow your purpose and find great financial success. And then you and your kids will be more insulated from the elites and their wicked schemes.

I am going route #2. But it is up to each man to decide for himself.

Ok, thanks - but I do not fully understand whats your choosen way #2.
I mean - yeah at some point you will be financial free and wealthy, but what then?
You then wanna wife up a woman while knowing that this is not the best thing to do in our world?
And yeah, it is also not a good choice statistically in SEA, SA, EE.
Im living longtime in SEA and while its a great place to have a constant harem of women and just appreciate spending fun times with them, every redpilled longtime living expat here (not included season-tourists) knows too well that there is hardly wife-material to find nowadays and due to the fact that you also need to do some anticipating, you should know that this will not get better in the next near future.

So how does your solution look like?
Surrogacy also is not the best way because as already someone stated, it might be not optimal for the offspring to grow up without 2 parents.

Post: #95

(12-17-2015 12:38 PM)Highlander Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 12:24 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  I got long winded, so I apologize.

Red Pill men have two choices...

1) Just find the best quality woman you can find, which is slim pickings in the west, and hope for the best and be prepared for a very long, hard battle with the entire system fighting to keep you and your kids down. This is a very tough go of it as the elites seem to want to destroy the middle class.

2) Be patient, wait, and find yourself and your purpose in life. Follow your purpose and find great financial success. And then you and your kids will be more insulated from the elites and their wicked schemes.

I am going route #2. But it is up to each man to decide for himself.

Ok, thanks - but I do not fully understand whats your choosen way #2.
I mean - yeah at some point you will be financial free and wealthy, but what then?
You then wanna wife up a woman while knowing that this is not the best thing to do in our world?
And yeah, it is also not a good choice statistically in SEA, SA, EE.
Im living longtime in SEA and while its a great place to have a constant harem of women and just appreciate spending fun times with them, every redpilled longtime living expat here (not included season-tourists) knows too well that there is hardly wife-material to find nowadays and due to the fact that you also need to do some anticipating, you should know that this will not get better in the next near future.

So how does your solution look like?
Surrogacy also is not the best way because as already someone stated, it might be not optimal for the offspring to grow up without 2 parents.

With money and red pill knowledge you have lots of advantages as a man.

#1) You will have the free time and resources to search through and find the best of the best women. Your money gives you access to them, your red pill knowledge allows you to make the best choice.

#2) With money your wife can enjoy being a mommy. Shopping sprees, stay at home with the kids, PTO, low stress, no office crap. This makes for a much happier marriage.

#3) Money will put your wife in social circles above the frumpy divorced lizard who talks their "friends" into getting divorces too.

And if all this fails, then you did your best. Take your half of your large sum and spend as much time as allowed with your kids. The rest of the time just do as you please, because you never have to worry about getting married again.

Post: #96

(12-17-2015 11:48 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  I think something that has to be considered, that often isn't, is personality type. Not all of us experience the same drive to chase girls. I have a pretty high sex drive, but am easily able to channel it towards more productive things. I have next to no interest in one night stands, and only have them when they fall into my lap, I'll never go out looking to get laid. It's not a judgment on anyone else, but I do think that there is an element here of people looking to attach some kind of objective value to their own emotional and physiological needs. Although I'm not on the same road as IIMT, I have a profound respect for the ideas he is espousing, and a good deal of sympathy. I remain optimistic that I will meet a girl I want to marry, who will compliment and sufficiently challenge my own nature, and that it will happen sooner rather than later.

I have had some success with girls - I've slept with a number of models, an actress, and currently a professional ballerina. But honestly it's brought very little fulfillment to my mind and soul in the way that time spent with close friends does. Because I want to meet a girl who shares my values, and who aspires to the same ideals as me, I recognise that I need to be out and dating. But honestly, the process itself brings very little satisfaction, and nor do the girls themselves beyond the fleeting moments of physicality. It is the search for something deeper, a more soulful connection that drives me on. Clearly it is not the same drive that many here feel in their pursuit of the life of the player, and I can respect that, but I would not pretend to understand the desire to shag about for the sake of it without ever having children or getting married. That to me seems to be a hollow life, and I would personally feel like I could use my time more productively than casual dating and casual sex. That is not to say I think those of you who do chase that have the wrong idea, or are shallow individuals - simply that you and I are not wired the same. Just as you and IIMT are not wired the same, and to try to convert him to your values is to try to impose a reality on him that may be real to you, but would not be real to him or me. We may all be men, but within that broad classification there is plenty of room for variation on what we consider a life well lived; for some it will be a triple figure notch count, for others it may be quiet evenings reading in front of the fire. To try to impose your life well lived on another is to try to force that person to deny their nature, rather than to seek to moderate the lonelier aspects of it.

This. Could not have said it better myself. Sums up my thoughts on the matter perfectly.

Post: #97

(12-17-2015 08:08 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 06:55 AM)Highlander Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 04:20 AM)262 Wrote:  These MGTOW guys sure type a lot

Also important to note that neomasculinity supports having children.

In which way?
I mean the common to wife up a woman and settle down is and will be even more in the future out of the question due to the fact that marriages do not work anymore as a concept what the high and constantly increasing divorce rates are prooving.
So please tell me in which way do the advice to reproduce because I am all about reproduction and having once children but I prefer to fuck around within my harem and keep rotating it while enjoying my life nad pursuing my goals instead of joining no more working concepts such as marriages and LTRs.

So please my fellow countryman enlighten me

IMO, I don't think the elites want to necessarily de-populate the earth, at least not yet. It might be a plan later down the road once they have enough power/control to really push for mass exterminations of some kind.

If the elites wanted to de-populate the earth, they would focus their energy on the areas where population growth is still large and shut it down. Instead many of their efforts seem to go to support and protect these areas.

I think the elites want to destroy the middle class in the western world. The elites need the upper middle class. The doctors, the men who discover and solve complex problems, the men who innovate and create. So they can have consistent technology improvements. And the elites need a large and mostly dumb working class that is happy to live on next to nothing and do the required manual labor.

They do. There's a lot of de-population efforts out there aimed not just at the US, but at reducing birth rates in developing nations. THe stated goal(according to documents can be found on the UN's own site) are for a population of 500 million worldwide.

That's just the easy to follow stuff. Some of us here know a lot more than that, which is why we strongly advise leaving the North American continent (Alaska and northern Canada excepted) no later than 2032.

Post: #98

(12-17-2015 06:15 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 08:08 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 06:55 AM)Highlander Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 04:20 AM)262 Wrote:  These MGTOW guys sure type a lot

Also important to note that neomasculinity supports having children.

In which way?
I mean the common to wife up a woman and settle down is and will be even more in the future out of the question due to the fact that marriages do not work anymore as a concept what the high and constantly increasing divorce rates are prooving.
So please tell me in which way do the advice to reproduce because I am all about reproduction and having once children but I prefer to fuck around within my harem and keep rotating it while enjoying my life nad pursuing my goals instead of joining no more working concepts such as marriages and LTRs.

So please my fellow countryman enlighten me

IMO, I don't think the elites want to necessarily de-populate the earth, at least not yet. It might be a plan later down the road once they have enough power/control to really push for mass exterminations of some kind.

If the elites wanted to de-populate the earth, they would focus their energy on the areas where population growth is still large and shut it down. Instead many of their efforts seem to go to support and protect these areas.

I think the elites want to destroy the middle class in the western world. The elites need the upper middle class. The doctors, the men who discover and solve complex problems, the men who innovate and create. So they can have consistent technology improvements. And the elites need a large and mostly dumb working class that is happy to live on next to nothing and do the required manual labor.

They do. There's a lot of de-population efforts out there aimed not just at the US, but at reducing birth rates in developing nations. THe stated goal(according to documents can be found on the UN's own site) are for a population of 500 million worldwide.

That's just the easy to follow stuff. Some of us here know a lot more than that, which is why we strongly advise leaving the North American continent (Alaska and northern Canada excepted) no later than 2032.

I've heard about this, but I am wary of the 3rd world countries. The reason being, what do the elites have in store for them? They don't need anything these countries have to offer and their people are popping out kids like crazy. It seems they may have a darker plan in store for them if they really do want to de-populate the earth.

Post: #99

(12-17-2015 01:03 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 12:38 PM)Highlander Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 12:24 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  I got long winded, so I apologize.

Red Pill men have two choices...

1) Just find the best quality woman you can find, which is slim pickings in the west, and hope for the best and be prepared for a very long, hard battle with the entire system fighting to keep you and your kids down. This is a very tough go of it as the elites seem to want to destroy the middle class.

2) Be patient, wait, and find yourself and your purpose in life. Follow your purpose and find great financial success. And then you and your kids will be more insulated from the elites and their wicked schemes.

I am going route #2. But it is up to each man to decide for himself.

Ok, thanks - but I do not fully understand whats your choosen way #2.
I mean - yeah at some point you will be financial free and wealthy, but what then?
You then wanna wife up a woman while knowing that this is not the best thing to do in our world?
And yeah, it is also not a good choice statistically in SEA, SA, EE.
Im living longtime in SEA and while its a great place to have a constant harem of women and just appreciate spending fun times with them, every redpilled longtime living expat here (not included season-tourists) knows too well that there is hardly wife-material to find nowadays and due to the fact that you also need to do some anticipating, you should know that this will not get better in the next near future.

So how does your solution look like?
Surrogacy also is not the best way because as already someone stated, it might be not optimal for the offspring to grow up without 2 parents.

With money and red pill knowledge you have lots of advantages as a man.

#1) You will have the free time and resources to search through and find the best of the best women. Your money gives you access to them, your red pill knowledge allows you to make the best choice.

#2) With money your wife can enjoy being a mommy. Shopping sprees, stay at home with the kids, PTO, low stress, no office crap. This makes for a much happier marriage.

#3) Money will put your wife in social circles above the frumpy divorced lizard who talks their "friends" into getting divorces too.

And if all this fails, then you did your best. Take your half of your large sum and spend as much time as allowed with your kids. The rest of the time just do as you please, because you never have to worry about getting married again.

I want to say that this is in my opinion a very strong post and personally I am happy that you have found in my thread!

I mean, at least you have offered a possible solution-guide regards to my dilemma.
I would be even happier if there would be a way to of reproduction in a solid way (no one involved has to suffer longterm) without having to wife up in today' s world, but I still think that your solution is decent and for sure a good starting point.

I only want to add that in this case I would highly recommend to protect your properties and your money before getting married and while being married and basically make at least bigger parts of your money invisible so that in the worst case you will have to pay less when getting divorced - there are ways to do so and you likely know them way better than me (overseas accounts, trusts, investing...).

Last question ragards to this:
I am not 30 years old and I plan to be totally financial free at the age at 35... it goes all well so far^^
How old are you if I may ask and which age you would consider as borderline to start with your plan for reproduction and wife up a prospect where you think the odds are as well as they can only be in this world that it would work out longterm?

Post: #100

by the way, a noob question if allowed so:

What are the exact reasons why the elite want to depopulate the earth?
Is it to prevent from overpopulation in the future and/or having more resources for their own?

And form which people we are talking when we speak about the elite?
Is it only about the monetary value?