Post: #1

I've had my fair share of flings, relationships, and one night stands but feel at the age of 32 I'm getting ready to bow out of it all.

-I could never imagine fucking and seeing the same woman every day for the rest of my life (nor do I want children, either) and so the prospect a long term relationship appears unrealistic and unappetizing.

-I'm tired of wasting money and effort sleeping around. I did this from my mid 20's to my early 30s and I've had some great experiences but its slowly and increasingly losing its appeal. I've met the arty types, the hipsters, the shallow, the pretty, the ugly, the musicians, the sporty types, the plain and janes. The desire to keep meeting new women, to keep putting energy into dating - where that energy ought to be better spent - and to keep having sex with random women has lost its appeal.

Anyone else reached this point where the MGTOW lifestyle looks far better than the 'player' lifestyle?

I used to look at MGTOW guys and think they're losers (some of them are legit incels or bitter divorced dudes) but the lifestyle actually looks better right now than my womanizing past.

Post: #2

What do you mean by the MGTOW lifestyle? I know what MGTOW means. But we are not joining a club or getting a badge. If you want to take a break from women, then do so. No need to identify with some subculture.

Post: #3

I fully support the MGTOW lifestyle under a particular MGTOW acronym I use. The words representing each letter of this acronym are completely different from "Men Going Their Own Way".

Shoutout to Aaron Clarey for his posts about MGTOWs.

What I mean by the above statement is for my dream, which will never go away. It is to continue through the narrow path after being called out of the world.


Here's a better MGTOW acronym:

Meticulously
Game
Towards
Overcoming
Weakness
_______________________________________________
"Well, she was runnin' after us, I was screamin’, "Go, go, go!"
But with three of us, honey, it's a sideshow; and a circus ain't a love story
And now we're both sorry (we’re both sorry)." #138

Post: #4

Very little desire to 'game' people.

Just come to the realization that chasing women is a fools errand.

Post: #5

Most of that crowd are the type of guys who never got laid with different women that much and were pussy whipped or subservant to female ways. Then they get some nuclear black pill shoved up their arse without notice because the nature of women is quite vicious and their worldview shatters.

Some turn it into energy to become better and learn, others create a fallback where they create groups to marinate in self pity and turn against women and the sexual market place.

It is poisonous to the soul and I'd suggest you not participate in those groups.

Post: #6

If you want to go MGTOW this forum is not for you anymore.

Post: #7

Get your T levels checked. Not joking. Low libido can be a sign of hormonal degradation. At your age your desire to nut inside a woman's orifices should still be strong.

I get a sense of some depression as well from OP which is another reason to get the blood work

Post: #8

(11-04-2018 06:27 AM)RawGod Wrote:  What do you mean by the MGTOW lifestyle? I know what MGTOW means. But we are not joining a club or getting a badge. If you want to take a break from women, then do so. No need to identify with some subculture.

The MGTOW lifestyle is withdrawing from human activity and attacking those who continue to play the game for their own benefit. There is no "lifestyle" to it.

Post: #9

Although I agree with the above posters, I think going "MGTOW" would benefit you for a short period of time. Think of it as you would Monk mode.

Monk mode doesn't necessarily help you when it comes to gaming and women, BUT It will help you when it comes to overall efficiency and productivity.

What im saying is, I personally believe its beneficial to go a while without women but to keep your core strong (Looks, money, status, and game) because those things will help you ALOT in life beyond women.


However, PapayaTapper is right. 32 is an age where T levels can decline, Best to get those checked to make sure that isn't the problem.


Going MGTOW for a couple weeks to years is fine. Enjoy your life without women so you won't form a dependency.

Post: #10

It's always funny how MGTOW guys feel the need to tell everyone they're 'going their own way'.

Ok, so go. Why need to make a statement out of it?

Post: #11

OP, I'd like to say I understand your perspective and question very well. I also see and understand the derision and 'one-size-fits-all' that makes other posters criticize or demean what you're asking about.

This is a key part of what you stated then asked:

Quote: The desire to keep meeting new women, to keep putting energy into dating - where that energy ought to be better spent - and to keep having sex with random women has lost its appeal.

Anyone else reached this point where the MGTOW lifestyle looks far better than the 'player' lifestyle?

I used to look at MGTOW guys and think they're losers (some of them are legit incels or bitter divorced dudes) but the lifestyle actually looks better right now than my womanizing past.

I'll comment on your last line first, because it could have gone first - there are definitely men (and probably more today than ever before thanks to widespread Marxism through Western institutions) who can't get a woman they want to date interested in them. Those 'loser men' (the incels and broke, bitter divorced dudes) would be considered by in the bottom rungs of social or economic or looks (LMS&G = looks, money, status, & game). These are the groups the 'PUA' community would tell to hit the gym, work on your game, etc. etc. There are some 'loser men' who definitely can make improvements in their life and SHOULD for the sake of their self-esteem and stave off suicidal or self-destructive behaviors. Sadly, many 'loser men' don't and we get Elliot Rodgers, the Canadian cat man, the rampant number of men killing themselves over lost children, being incarcerated for late alimony/child support payments, etc.

So we can see that it's unfair to group all 'loser men' together, as you can see. Why? Because men who have been ass-raped by the Marxist/feminist/gynocentric family court and legal system were largely not incels or basement-dwellers. The divorced guys were probably 'betas' and the incels are 'omegas' or 'gammas.' The divorced men who had their lives ripped apart were regular men who just wanted to make a good life for themselves and to have a stable family. Feminism has made that all but impossible to count on in most of the West. The 'pimp hand' is only as good as the woman's restraint in NOT calling the big bag men in blue to come take you away for 'emotional abuse' then her initiating divorce proceedings while bleeding your bank accounts dry and running up the credit cards to the max. This is reality for some number of men who end up coming to realize that 'going their own way' is the only answer.

I would say that this forum is correct to criticize the 'incel' components of 'loser men' for not being the best version of themselves as they can. However, as some commenters have pointed out, once you realize that the system in the Western is SO anti-male and anti-masculinity, where are the real incentives, BEYOND GETTING POOSY, to better yourself to attract women? What is all that self-improvement going to get you? Maybe a few minutes of sticky friction and then ... ? Who knows.

Maybe she'll text you back, maybe she won't. Maybe she'll claim regret rape, maybe she won't. Maybe you'll get an STD even though she said 'I'm fine, I get tested regularly,' maybe you won't. Maybe she'll save your sperm and inseminate herself, maybe she won't. Shall I go on..? I don't have to with you, as you've already considered much of this.

I've found a gleeful ignorance among at least some of my RVF brothers at the depth of insanity that America has fallen in terms of men's rights, and EQUAL PROTECTION. Men do not have equal protection under the law. We are de facto slaves to a woman's whim. Roosh has experienced this at least via journalists and then us having our proposed meetup shut down since we're 'promoting rape.' Where's the equal protection? The protection of our 1st amendment right to assemble? Nope, the wahmens are scurred so we big bad PUA men who love to rape women can't be allowed to meet. It's insane.

Perhaps things are *slightly* better with Trump in office - I do feel more politeness in some ways, although a red state with more conservative values is going to be a better crucible to create a masculine lifestyle and avoid incel-dom or black pill living. But any man who isn't aware that each bad date, each 'bang gone wrong' holds the potential of life-changing consequences. As we mature into our 30s, the big head does take over the little head and we can REASON better, understand consequences better. Our eyes are more opened. This is where you are.

Labels tend to be very divisive, be it players, loser, red pill, blue pill, omega, sigma, beta, alpha, MGTOW, PUA, incel, etc. Life doesn't fit neatly into any box - Nature always resists efforts to be constrained, as do individual humans (at least non-NPC humans!). See? I used a label that's very divisive although communicates a level of meaning. Perhaps NPC is better-understood by this forum that the depth of what MGTOW can actually mean.

I understand many of the concerns that a 'PUA' or 'player' would have would about not optimizing your LMS&G. These are valid criticisms. But even being in the top of your game in all areas doesn't insulate you from various risks, some of which I outlined above. A MAN understands risks and decides whether or not to accept them in pursuit of some aim. An ANIMAL bases their decisions on emotions and passion, incapable of reasoning or future-thinking. The part of our physiology that is animalistic wants us to bang every hot woman we see, and most of her more-average looking brethren if possible. The higher part of us has dreams, aspirations, goals, vision for what we want to and can create in the world. This is the masculine aspect wanting to give birth from our own fullness of purpose, knowledge, and curiosity.

In my mid-30s I certainly found my motivation to chase women for the sake of it falling. It wasn't about my 'T levels' but about having more life perspective. It's funny that the comment 'get your T levels checked' comes up when a man questions the value of chasing poosy for its own sake! Really guys? Is this as far as we've fallen? I have a healthy libido, having revised my diet, exercise, and lifestyle, but I don't pursue women with as much steadfastness as I did years ago. I'm also in a very blue region in a blue state and have found it extremely difficult to cultivate any depth in relationships, be they male for friendship or female for dating. I am partly biding my time to leave for more conservative pastures although I still know the ruin that Facebook, Tinder, and Instagram have wrought on the 20-something women I'm interested in dating.

Fortunately, I have other things that get me up in the morning and make me passionate to imagine and create. I'll say that having a clarity of purpose WILL make you focus on yourself and engage in self-improvement.

A book I found extremely helpful was 'Is Your Genius At Work?' by Dick Richards. I highly recommend you work through it (it's a workbook) and feel free to let me know what you think about it. The book helped me understand the unifying values that brought my very different interests together. I felt like a whole person and could also identify what I wanted to do in the world. Before those were vague ideas - of how to 'make my energy better spent' as you put it - and now it's crystal-clear for me. In the process of that self-discovery I necessarily had to unplug from chasing women, and even had to turn down requests for my time more often than not.

Labels can be divisive, but the spirit of what MGTOW means is something that every man can identify with: a masculine man, going his own way. Not being a slave to your animalistic desires, nor giving into to fears of women / society / work / the world, but understanding himself, the risks and benefits of any activity, and making informed decisions of how he wants to proceed. That also includes the vitally important ability to STOP and examine what seem like 'normal' or 'expected' activities or behaviors and find out the MEANING those activities and behaviors have for him. It's taking sovereignty over yourself, the essence of what the ancient philosophers taught and what I take 'neo-masculinity' to mean.

If you need to take a break from women to find your purpose, then that's healthy and we all need to applaud that. You may find once you have clarified who you are, what you want to make from your inner fullness and vision, that you will become a deeper, more well-rounded man. I pray you don't give in to black pill or nihilistic thinking as that is a horrible trap and what the evil Marxist social engineers want. I also recommend that you find out what God means for you - Divinity, the Universal, the One-in-All, however you want to describe it.

In my journey's away from convention, a 'blue pill, beta male' life, and through my initial exploration of red pill thinking/living (both outer-focused and more inner-focused), the connection I cultivated with my own soul became the most important relationship of all. As men, we have a unique capacity for love and devotion, for seeing beauty in all things. Women can be objects of beauty, but Nature is Beauty herself. The creations of Nature, the impulse for creation, is something that the masculine can only express through our words and works. I find so much satisfaction and joy in pursuing my interests, in challenging my physical, mental, spiritual limits that I feel myself growing in depth and happiness. With all this said, I am not 'withdrawing from human activity' (that's an overstatement and understanding of a natural impulse to 'go one's own way'). It is essential to find your own rhythm of time alone and time in the world. I know you will, and I'm glad you posted your question.

You may find this set of letters, from poet Maria Reiner Rilke to a younger man seeking his place in life, of value. I love posting it, because they sing with the joy and depth of a man truly going his own way, who understands women and the world and work in a way few modern people do, or can describe as richly. The 4th letter (linked directly) is the richest of them all, in my opinion:

Letters to a Young Poet, #4

EDIT: From a spiritual perspective, I feel that the current crisis in the West (and much of the world regarding Marxism/feminism/the lack of tying rights with responsibilities) gives every man motivation to go into himself and explore who he really is. This process of self-exploration is a vital part of full self-actualization. I feel that as truly masculine men, instead of denigrating or condemning, especially when stated with balance as the OP has and asking an honest question, we need to support the full actualization of the person. Balance, harmony, exploring each extreme to find for ourselves where our still, center point lies.

Post: #12

Why any reasonably healthy man below the age of 80 (90? 100?) would swear off sex is beyond me. Even the true incel lost causes would almost certainly be in somewhat better mental health if they at least paid for it once in a while.

Post: #13

It's not bad going through abstinence.

But there is no need to hate women. Just don't care about them anymore, like they are flies to you.

And everyone happy.

Post: #14

You're making a huge mistake.

You can't save time and energy by quitting essential needs, you'll simply replace them by equally, or most of the time, worse activities.

You'll get addicted to porn if you stop seeing women, and you'll replace the companionship with video games, collecting dog shit, binge eating, binge watching, or whatever else worthless activity.

We have needs that cannot be eliminated.

Addiction is the sign that we are not fulfilling such needs--it is the dopamine replacement--that your brain cannot process as it can the natural fulfillment of your needs.

MGTOW is feminism for men--look at what that has done to women. It is a blatant lie that sets you back, and prevents you from living how God intended you to.

Stop being a bitch, find a wife, and have children. You cannot escape responsibility; you either take it or you degenerate.

Post: #15

I'm 36 and haven't gotten laid in 2 months because I've been in a remote work camp in the middle of the woods. I have one more week of this bullshit left, I have dates lined up with girls from dating apps, I will ring up some old bangs, I will day game at the mall, go to night clubs and bars, I will even fuck a fat girl if I have to. I can't wait to get some fucking pussy!

Post: #16

Just call it "Monk Mode" and don't explain what you mean. Keep your options open.

Post: #17

(11-04-2018 05:38 PM)Flux Wrote:  find a wife, and have children. You cannot escape responsibility; you either take it or you degenerate.

Pretty certain the vast majority of men on here don't want a wife or kids either.

Imagine fucking the same woman everyday for the rest of your life.

Post: #18

(11-04-2018 09:13 AM)Roosh Wrote:  The MGTOW lifestyle is withdrawing from human activity and attacking those who continue to play the game for their own benefit. There is no "lifestyle" to it.

It is also (at least in the version OP is considering) completely replacing the company of women with the company of men. Take it or leave it

Post: #19

(11-04-2018 05:38 PM)Flux Wrote:  You're making a huge mistake.

You can't save time and energy by quitting essential needs, you'll simply replace them by equally, or most of the time, worse activities.

You'll get addicted to porn if you stop seeing women, and you'll replace the companionship with video games, collecting dog shit, binge eating, binge watching, or whatever else worthless activity.

Are you saying that chasing girls is the most important and significant activity in this world?

Haven't you made any other more important thing in your life?

As far as I know, sexual intercourse is important, but getting your ego boosted and validated by chasing lower IQ girls, not.

(11-04-2018 05:38 PM)Flux Wrote:  Addiction is the sign that we are not fulfilling such needs--it is the dopamine replacement--that your brain cannot process as it can the natural fulfillment of your needs.

MGTOW is feminism for men--look at what that has done to women. It is a blatant lie that sets you back, and prevents you from living how God intended you to.

Stop being a bitch, find a wife, and have children. You cannot escape responsibility; you either take it or you degenerate.

If a man has a hobby that gives him dopamine and this activity is still relevant and leave something important or legacy to us people in the world, it would be greater for me.

What i'd suggest to OP is getting out with no hate or resentment towards women.
They are no guilty for not being the most important thing in the world (orgasm yes, but you don't need to buy the cow when you can buy the milk!!!).

Thus, he can return to the field whenever he wants.

Post: #20

(11-04-2018 06:24 PM)flyinghorse Wrote:  

(11-04-2018 05:38 PM)Flux Wrote:  find a wife, and have children. You cannot escape responsibility; you either take it or you degenerate.

Pretty certain the vast majority of men on here don't want a wife or kids either.

Imagine fucking the same woman everyday for the rest of your life.

It's either that, or you waste time chasing.

If you give up on women entirely, then make sure you're the next John D. Rockefeller and do something amazing with that sexual energy, because most men that don't see women are addicted to porn, and have miserable lives.

Marriage, and having family is good for men, we just have to make sure it's the right woman, and we've done all the fucking we wanted to in youth.

Remember to do what's right, it's the hardest thing, but you can't lose that way.

Post: #21

Periodic withdrawal from chasing women is healthy, and allows you to focus on making certain things in your life better. I am in the midst of one of these withdrawals as I am launching an app, focusing on increasing my income, and fixing some nagging physical challenges. That doesn't mean that I become a hermit and pull out of society however. And it's unrealistic to think that you can do the same for an extended period of time. You can try, your sanity be damned, but it won't last.

We all burn out from chasing tail. Especially if we do it in ways that we don't enjoy. I would recommend finding a method that you enjoy, and trash the other methods; If you really like daygame, then do that, and forget about online stuff etc. You are probably burning out due to not really enjoying the pursuit, or being too "goal-orientated" with it (ie. I need to fuck 3 girls this month). When you let go of this sort of thing, and look to actually connect with human beings, then you start to enjoy it. If you read Game by Roosh, this is a pillar of the book; you will get jaded very quickly if you pursue vapid people and forego actual connections. Connection is something we all want and allows us to enjoy out short time here.

Sex and relationships are what make living sweeter. Forgoing them will bring about a darkness that cannot be lifted from your life. This is about being a well rounded human being, and being well rounded includes social, mental, physical, financial, and spiritual health.

Post: #22

(11-04-2018 06:19 AM)flyinghorse Wrote:  I've had my fair share of flings, relationships, and one night stands but feel at the age of 32 I'm getting ready to bow out of it all.

-I could never imagine fucking and seeing the same woman every day for the rest of my life (nor do I want children, either) and so the prospect a long term relationship appears unrealistic and unappetizing.

-I'm tired of wasting money and effort sleeping around. I did this from my mid 20's to my early 30s and I've had some great experiences but its slowly and increasingly losing its appeal. I've met the arty types, the hipsters, the shallow, the pretty, the ugly, the musicians, the sporty types, the plain and janes. The desire to keep meeting new women, to keep putting energy into dating - where that energy ought to be better spent - and to keep having sex with random women has lost its appeal.

Anyone else reached this point where the MGTOW lifestyle looks far better than the 'player' lifestyle?

I used to look at MGTOW guys and think they're losers (some of them are legit incels or bitter divorced dudes) but the lifestyle actually looks better right now than my womanizing past.

You are in a slump. This mood may or may not pass, but the bigger question is: "How is the rest of your life?"

Is the rest of your life this joyless? A lot of men have to fight the black dog of depression. It is an ugly fight a lot of strong men lose (Hemmingway et al). It might be time to step back from the game as a pursuit in itself and seek a purpose for yourself. Take shit one day at a time, pursue goal driven activities, and hope this funk passes. Go your OWN WAY, but in the authentic sense of pursuing the best for you. Maybe something medical is going on? Get a general checkup.

Are you location dependent? Are you generally doing whatever the fuck you want in life? Take on a challenge! Maybe seek a geographic cure.

Post: #23

(11-04-2018 07:30 PM)Flux Wrote:  

(11-04-2018 06:24 PM)flyinghorse Wrote:  

(11-04-2018 05:38 PM)Flux Wrote:  find a wife, and have children. You cannot escape responsibility; you either take it or you degenerate.

Pretty certain the vast majority of men on here don't want a wife or kids either.

Imagine fucking the same woman everyday for the rest of your life.

It's either that, or you waste time chasing.

If you give up on women entirely, then make sure you're the next John D. Rockefeller and do something amazing with that sexual energy, because most men that don't see women are addicted to porn, and have miserable lives.

Marriage, and having family is good for men, we just have to make sure it's the right woman, and we've done all the fucking we wanted to in youth.

Remember to do what's right, it's the hardest thing, but you can't lose that way.

I bet you love your Jordan Peterson

Post: #24

You sound depressed, bro. Handle it.

Post: #25

(11-04-2018 07:55 PM)BBinger Wrote:  

(11-04-2018 06:19 AM)flyinghorse Wrote:  I've had my fair share of flings, relationships, and one night stands but feel at the age of 32 I'm getting ready to bow out of it all.

-I could never imagine fucking and seeing the same woman every day for the rest of my life (nor do I want children, either) and so the prospect a long term relationship appears unrealistic and unappetizing.

-I'm tired of wasting money and effort sleeping around. I did this from my mid 20's to my early 30s and I've had some great experiences but its slowly and increasingly losing its appeal. I've met the arty types, the hipsters, the shallow, the pretty, the ugly, the musicians, the sporty types, the plain and janes. The desire to keep meeting new women, to keep putting energy into dating - where that energy ought to be better spent - and to keep having sex with random women has lost its appeal.

Anyone else reached this point where the MGTOW lifestyle looks far better than the 'player' lifestyle?

I used to look at MGTOW guys and think they're losers (some of them are legit incels or bitter divorced dudes) but the lifestyle actually looks better right now than my womanizing past.

You are in a slump. This mood may or may not pass, but the bigger question is: "How is the rest of your life?"

Is the rest of your life this joyless? A lot of men have to fight the black dog of depression. It is an ugly fight a lot of strong men lose (Hemmingway et al). It might be time to step back from the game as a pursuit in itself and seek a purpose for yourself. Take shit one day at a time, pursue goal driven activities, and hope this funk passes. Go your OWN WAY, but in the authentic sense of pursuing the best for you. Maybe something medical is going on? Get a general checkup.

Are you location dependent? Are you generally doing whatever the fuck you want in life? Take on a challenge! Maybe seek a geographic cure.

I think my life is going pretty well in some areas.

My fitness is incredible.

My sex life is good if I want it - my game is probably average, but i'm decent looking so I can get 6s and 7s without too much trouble.

My career is enjoyable - i'm a teacher working abroad - I'm not a senior figure though, but that's how I prefer it. I avoid the responsibility of management, nor do I get any pleasure telling people how to work efficiently.

I get 12 weeks off a year, so travelling is also fantastic, although in my 30s the love of travelling has waned somewhat as I have been spoiled.

-Two things I am unhappy with is my writing career (I used to be a journalist) and I wanted to write a novel (which I never finished). I'm not sure if I am quite talented enough to publish so I've avoided writing for the last 6 months.

- The other issue is meeting a woman where I love their company (very intelligent, good conversation, and affectionate) and who I also want to fuck. I actually feel very pessimistic that I will find such a woman (even finding a highly intelligent woman can sometimes be a challenge). A further problem is that if they are elite in terms of IQ and looks than they will probably seek an elite male (and while I am a damn site better than average I am not in that elite category).

So as with most people, I have areas which are great and other areas which are poor.

If we are thinking in terms of hierarchy or needs; my issues would be at the top of the pyramid.