Post: #251

Prior red flags:

- had been fined for smuggling Botox
- kept asking me if I was married
- wouldn't answer if they were married (later turns out they were still married as it's illegal to divorce in their country)

They got drunk to the extent I had to carry them home. In the morning they wanted to bang and seemed to what me to cum in her.

Arranged to meet the next weekend. After she'd cum she seemed pretty intent on me cumming inside her. I said I wouldn't. She started to get ratty. Telling me to do it. That she is "safe" and even if she does get pregnant "don't worry about me". So I pulled out and left it at that. She starts singing pop songs like a 16 year old girl as if nothing has happened. Then she switches to emotional manipulation, trying to guilt me into whatever she wanted, "Don't worry about me. Leave me. I never want to see you again."

Later she tries to get all my clothes off to finish me off. I refuse. She goes back to singing. She tried to fuck me again and begins hitting me when I refuse. She goes all nice again and leaves.

Later that night I had the first bout of some balance-spinning issue that I later thought I might die from. I wondered if she'd poisoned me. Later that night she messages me saying that her grandmother has died. Then came the suicide threats. The "I hate myself"s, the deep blackness.

I'd realised I'd hit peak hamster and that she could play any kind of shit, like going to the police. I was in the country for about 5 more days so played it cool and met her again to pay her money I owed her.

She tried to get me to go any stay with her parents. I just acted very neutral. The look in her eyes as I left was one haunting blackness. I left the next day and blocked.

Your first time may as well be your worst.

Post: #252

(05-06-2018 07:39 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  And that's led invariably to the next red pill, arguably larger, that I still haven't internalized.

Women will not be stopped from destroying Western civilization because there exists no body of men willing and capable of wrenching the reins out of their grasp. That pill is the hardest to swallow, because it means the political chatter that has become a hobby for me is all laughably pointless. Socialism. Communism. Islam. Reform Judaism. Demographic suicide. All of these are mere symptoms of one single issue. Matriarchy surpassing Patriarchy. And that issue will never be solved by men. Only nature will correct it, and at an enormous price.

You are really attuned to harsh reality in a way that few of us men are. I only wish that I had come to this realization much earlier in my life but it was just not possible for me to acquire this wisdom until it was too late to do me or anyone else any good. I am archiving this in my ever growing file of red pill nuggets.

Post: #253

robreke, I was just thinking this the other day. When I first got into Game circa 2007, the rule of thumb was that sex would normally trigger some sort of relationship or FWB arrangement expectation from the woman.

Now consummation means nothing. It barely reduces the flake and ghosting chance.

I know of a barmaid who is quite honestly a 3 (short, chubby, too much make-up and with skin psoriasis) who answered an OKCupid question that’s she’s had over 100 sexual partners. She’s not even 25.

Show me a RVF member who has had over a 100 women and I’ll show you a very attractive lifestyle that he’s worked hard to achieve as well as fortunate genetics.

Post: #254

I was walking down the street today smoking a blunt looking/feeling like a star and I saw the ex from way back that made me take the red pill looking all old and shit. Gave her a hug, offerered to let her smoke and continued on my merry way singing some shit in my best Barry White voice: "nah I don't wife no ho-oh, nah I ain't wife no ho-ooooooooooooooh"

Today was a good day.

Post: #255

Can anybody explain to me the difference between red pill, blue pill. I had to think about the Matrix or something. This is what I found on the internet.

- Knowledge, freedom, and the brutal truths of reality (red pill)
- Security, happiness and the blissful ignorance of illusion (blue pill)

Seems like a lot of guys on this forum just don't trust any girls at all to start a relationship with. Not sure if this a biased opinion here on RVF, or if I'm just to naive still.

Frankly, I'm already getting depressed reading all of these stories. I don't have one of my own, since I have limited experience with girls. I guess I'm still blissful ignorance in hoping that there are some good girls in the world (and I hope this doesn't change when my game improves, because what's the point otherwise).

Also security and happiness is considered blue pill? That doesn't seem right..
I really hope there is a purple/violet pill or something. A combination of both, a silver lining.

Post: #256

That the last 100 years of history has been decided and enacted almost entirely by one tiny tribe of people, that hate my people.

Post: #257

That most of the thoughts an I had about life and people/politics when young at about 5-10 were actually red pill and what worked superbly, when it was in fact what came later that was unnatural, and I had to go full circle.

This is why Leonard is absolutely right, politics (apart from persuasion techniques) was all essentially a waste of time, if you grow up in a traditional 2 parent family and have suffered a bit of grit and are of above average intelligence, you cop on to the ways of the world quick anyway, but its the layers that are smeared on above it that are dangled in front of us "You can only be a complete person if you believe these things" that utterly damage relationships and friendships and take a hold like weeds in cracked foundations (families that are visibly broken), the easily swayed, and even if it can't get into cracks because there are none, the weeds will grow in scattered dirt sitting on the concrete (like my own family)

It's relentless, no wonder I rewatched and was fascinated as a teenager by this film, it was speaking truths with metaphors I knew in a primal way that are true, I was drawn to stories like this because I knew instinctively that the truths within were real and timeless and I had experienced up that point even by 16 years old.

Switch out the words:





Example, this what I always thought as a young person:

"Stop trying to be a strong woman and just be strong. You don't need "a conversation" or a "national dialogue"

Funny how they told us we could be happier doing it their way the "right" way, turns out I was doing the things that made me happy all along until I was talked out of it by them and myself most of all. People will want you to not be happy especially most when they see you merely content, that's when you're a prime target.

More thoughts later...

Post: #258

(05-11-2018 07:56 AM)Kentemo Wrote:  Seems like a lot of guys on this forum just don't trust any girls at all to start a relationship with. Not sure if this a biased opinion here on RVF, or if I'm just to naive still.

The "red pill" aspect might be that most women are not worth starting a relationship with, and that most men don't need to start a relationship with them to get laid.

The "blue pill" might be described as the Disney narrative, that people magically find "love" and everything just works itself out.

Are there "good women"? Sure. They're still human. If you're naive enough to give them unlimited attention and reward, they'll take it, just like a car salesman won't stop you from paying full price. It's on you to understand what's going on in that interaction and make sure you aren't being exploited.

A lot of "red pill" falls under mainstream psychological theory about boundaries, enabling, and codependency. Plenty of guys do stupid shit like dropping out of college for a woman because she's "special", then can't figure out why she cheated after he did all that "for her". He can't see that he's taught her that she's special and is entitled to sacrifices from men, especially a professional failure. (Nevermind that he blew up his career to be with her.) She'll be just as surprised if he actually follows through on a divorce, because he has already taught her that letting her mess up his life is completely normal.

Post: #259

In a safe modern society:

Women don't need men

Men need women

Post: #260

This isn't my biggest red pill, but it's certainly a red pill:

Used to have a housekeeper who, after a couple years, started sucking my dick. This wasn't a cash thing, we'd just gotten to talking a few times and then she started flirting.

Eventually, she got wrapped up in a ridiculous boyfriend who she broke up with and got back together with every other month. I just ignored it and kept nutting.

One day, she sends me a panic text that her boyfriend got into her phone and found some messages we'd exchanged and was pissed. She'd lied to me about them still being broken up and that was what apparently really set him off, so I was supposed to tell him a story if he contacted me to find out what was going on.

LOL, no. I'm not doing that. Told her to lock her shit up tighter so this wouldn't happen. A few months later, it happened again.

That was when it hit me. Women who want to hide shit hide it like it's part of the fucking Da Vinci Code. No bitch gets caught the same way twice.

She was doing this on purpose. She was using texts about other another dude busting in her mouth as Dread Game to control her boyfriend.

Cut her off on all that. Didn't need that noise.

Post: #261

I’ve had many Red Pill moments now, this one occurred at a time of not knowing what it actually meant, in those days I called these events epiphanies
This was definitely not my major life RP swallowing moment but it was one of my first …
I was laying with my girlfriend after having sex then all of a sudden, she started crying.
Asking her why, she said ‘remember when you asked me if I was faithful to you when I was over in Germany 4 years ago’, I said yes remembering the time I had a gut feeling that on 2 different occasions via the steady flow of letters and phone calls, she’d been unfaithful.

At the time, I asked her point blank hours after her return home, she railed on me for not trusting her and fucking up the magnanimous event of her triumphant return….I apologised for putting a dampener on the joy of having her back in my arms and promptly forgot about it

Through her sobbing she confessed not only to sleeping with her step father (yes this actually happened), conceded that she got tag teamed by 2 guys in Rimini by accident (she first tried to call it rape….leaving a nightclub with them and going for an innocent 3am nudie swim…hmm sure!)
She just had to get it off her perky titted chest, it was still eating at her after all these years

I got up grabbed a beer and sat and stared at her in disbelief, she made herself feel better by dumping her deceit on me…4 years later…and purposely fucked with my head causing me to doubt my ability reading people accurately.

It was like a wave of clarity at that moment staring at her sobbing, seeing an indulged immature adult human being capable of creating life and destroying it, relieving herself on me by way of a big steaming pile of pent up guilt because she believed (but never articulate) her feelings trumped everyone and everything

Ive never really seen Western women as fully matured adults since then, they’re men’s shallow counterpart that play dress-ups each day, surreptitiously competing with each other, blindly upholding and dispensing childish simplistic notions on how life is.
We ignore these indulgent tropes of course because we don’t want to compromise our chance to fuck them.
Religion to them is gossip magazines, church is flocking to chick flicks and academia….the only books that take up your average woman’s bookshelf space is crap like Fifty Shades and some unread diet books…and a few astrology, numerology and iridology best sellers

The blinkers came off this little black duck years ago, I see, I fuck, I give no fucks

Post: #262

(05-11-2018 10:13 AM)Jetset Wrote:  This isn't my biggest red pill, but it's certainly a red pill:

Used to have a housekeeper who, after a couple years, started sucking my dick. This wasn't a cash thing, we'd just gotten to talking a few times and then she started flirting.

Eventually, she got wrapped up in a ridiculous boyfriend who she broke up with and got back together with every other month. I just ignored it and kept nutting.

One day, she sends me a panic text that her boyfriend got into her phone and found some messages we'd exchanged and was pissed. She'd lied to me about them still being broken up and that was what apparently really set him off, so I was supposed to tell him a story if he contacted me to find out what was going on.

LOL, no. I'm not doing that. Told her to lock her shit up tighter so this wouldn't happen. A few months later, it happened again.

That was when it hit me. Women who want to hide shit hide it like it's part of the fucking Da Vinci Code. No bitch gets caught the same way twice.

She was doing this on purpose. She was using texts about other another dude busting in her mouth as Dread Game to control her boyfriend.

Cut her off on all that. Didn't need that noise.

Now my most bitter red pill is realising that some guys not only have maids but routinely fuck them too.

I thought that only happened in pornos.

You've ruined my life. I hope you're happy.

Did she wear one of those french maid outfits during? Asking for a friend.

Post: #263

(05-11-2018 07:56 AM)Kentemo Wrote:  Can anybody explain to me the difference between red pill, blue pill. I had to think about the Matrix or something. This is what I found on the internet.

- Knowledge, freedom, and the brutal truths of reality (red pill)
- Security, happiness and the blissful ignorance of illusion (blue pill)

Seems like a lot of guys on this forum just don't trust any girls at all to start a relationship with. Not sure if this a biased opinion here on RVF, or if I'm just to naive still.

Frankly, I'm already getting depressed reading all of these stories. I don't have one of my own, since I have limited experience with girls. I guess I'm still blissful ignorance in hoping that there are some good girls in the world (and I hope this doesn't change when my game improves, because what's the point otherwise).

Also security and happiness is considered blue pill? That doesn't seem right..
I really hope there is a purple/violet pill or something. A combination of both, a silver lining.

You got that in the wrong order.

The Blue Pill is the illusion. You're driving through the gauntlet at highway speeds, but the Blue Pill acts as horse blinders, so that you can't see the spikes on either side of the road.

The Red Pill is opening your eyes to the reality; the broken detritus of human beings surrounding you, and the omnipresent threat of a shattered legal establishment. It's not a particularly pleasant world to live in, but it's the real world. Be smart, or wind up destroyed.

If you're too weak to accept the nature of reality, then you'll simply be led into the slaughter house with the rest of them. Maybe you'll get divorced, maybe you'll just have a shitty sex life, but your kids will wind up as freaks and trannies. You're doomed to failure either way.

Take the Red Pill, and you may fail at your ambitions - but at least you have a shot.

Post: #264

(05-12-2018 04:22 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Did she wear one of those french maid outfits during? Asking for a friend.

Jean shorts and a tank top. With the right vibe, there's actually a pretty short distance between "wash my dishes" and "don't spit".

Post: #265

(05-12-2018 04:22 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Now my most bitter red pill is realising that some guys not only have maids but routinely fuck them too.

Most of us should have gotten the memo when Arnold's love-child story broke.

That was world-shattering on multiple levels, not the least of which being that the maid was pretty fugly.

Post: #266

Not the biggest red pill, but a small dose recently.

I was eating at a cafeteria the other day. Maybe a week ago or so.
I am minding my own business, I wanted to get my food and just gtfo. (Finals & Final presentations.)

I see these two girls on the other side of the table. The table is like one of those business meeting tables that can sit 12+ people.
I sat in the middle, they sat at the end.

They are talking loud, but talking about guys.
Girl1: "Oh, he is such a drama queen and so petty. Look at his instagram. he texted me the other day why I am talking shit about him behind his back. Why does he care? This is college! Nobody gives a f!"
Girl2: *She is on the phone scrolling, not making eye contact*
"I know right?" (barely paying attention, but I guess that's how girls communicate with each other...)
Girl1: "I should have learned who he is from this picture on instagram"
Girls2: "Mhm"

Then few minutes later...
Girls2: "Skinny dudes have the best dick!"
Girl1: "I know right!? I showed you that meme about bomb ass dick from skinny dudes! They are the best!" *clapping hands like a black girl.
Girls2: "You right"

Two white girls dressed in pajamas and look like they are hungover.

The cognitive dissonance and so many contradictions that they had made within the few minutes of conversation was just astonishing.

It was a public school cafeteria with dozens of people around, but they were pretty loud and didn't give a fuck.

It seemed like they were pretty tight and close, but both of them on the phone (red flag 1), barely making eye contact with each other (red flag 2), only talking about their self-interest and what is happening to their own daily life (red flag 3)...

Being "Christian" and thanking Jesus, but looking for "bomb ass dick" from skinny dudes.

+ swearing
+ wearing slutty

Engaging and sharing obsessive amount of sexual memes...

I ate quickly and left. Couldn't handle it, but was interesting dialogue.

Post: #267

(05-12-2018 04:22 AM)Aurini Wrote:  The Blue Pill is the illusion.

If you're too weak to accept the nature of reality, then you'll simply be led into the slaughter house with the rest of them.

Yeah, you are right. Just copied that from Wikipedia when I tried to find the definition. Pretty new to these kind of terminologies.

Guess I still like to think there are good girls in the world, regardless of how I act with them. I'm sure most of the people here will disagree with me. I don't want to be all dark and bitter because all girls are sluts or something. I still believe there might be a good middle way. At least now I'm not going to be surprised if I'm wrong, which is also good. Might be back here with a whole other perspective one day.

Learned a lot already here, but definitely not going to agree with everything a 100%, instead I'll just pick up all the nuggets that are most valuable according to me.

Post: #268

What you'll come to realize is women are neither good nor bad and they tend to take the shape of their container. Some are shameless sluts, some are only sluts if given the opportunity. There's no perfect woman just like there's no perfect man. People are just people and despite being fairly predictable if you study what drives and motivates them they will surprise you.

Unfortunately there's no "middle way" between truth and fiction. You know this. Your brain is trying to fight against accepting the reality it's being presented to perpetuate the illusion that it's known it's entire life, because the harsh realities of life are difficult, confusing, and painful. After you accept how things actually work, what lies behind the veil designed to keep you docile and happy the red pill will sting less and less and you will be better for it. It's a worthy struggle to undertake and it's reward is you having the tools and the knowledge to get what you want out of life opposed to just accepting a path based on a misconception.

If you only accept partial truths you're going to be worse off than when you started. Things will be a lot more confusing than they used to be. You can't choose what is true.

Post: #269

Mine came when I had an ex call me up out of the blue one day and asked to meet me somewhere because she had to talk to me, so I went. We spent a couple of minutes in a park where she apologized for how things went while we were splitting up.

Then she left.

I went to the neighbourhood pub confused as to what had just transpired, when it occurred to me that the whole thing had nothing to do with me. It was her trying to unburden herself and to get "closure" (I hate that word) for herself.

I laughed, and I felt better than I had in months.

That was the day I opened my eyes.

Post: #270

I don't think there's an afterlife. It seems too bitter to swallow I think that's why people rationalize it with elaborate riddles trying to make it true.

Post: #271

(11-28-2015 07:26 PM)The Wire Wrote:  

(11-28-2015 06:54 PM)R_Niko Wrote:  I half agree. It was probably not a good idea as a "prank", but then for her to fuck four guys in five weeks really proves she's not wife material, heartbreak notwithstanding.

I've seen a lot of girls go on a dick rampage after a guy breaks their heart that deep into a relationship where they were not expecting it. It's pretty common.

It's probably some kind of defensive mechanism for some because I think at that point they probably lost all trust for men and try to desensitized correlations between sex and love. A lot of us have been beneficiaries of these escapades from girls.

Exactly this. In my case there was a similar great misunderstanding where she thought I had broken up with her, not via a prank though. Just pre-smartphone miscommunication. I was partly to blame for being a dumbass, but regardless once a female does that kind of shit, however "justified" she feels or not in her actions, however "sorry" she is, however genuine all this remorse may be, once your girl, possibly being considered as the future mother of your children, bangs any man straight after, let alone gets gangbanged, it's over. It's over. The thing that gets me is that I wanted to turn back time as much as she did, but neither of us had a DeLorean so there are no options of second chances.

My ex GF's reasoning was, when she realized what had actually happened, that the pain could only be solved by me coming back to her, and since that didn't happen, the "only" thing she could do, so she claimed, was to erase all memory of me as best she could. She was always a quiet girl, one of the least prone to violence of any sort of all the girls I knew, and she admitted that while she didn't have it in her to kill me, she did have dark moments where she wished me dead, non-existent, so that I had never entered her life, so that she had not felt the pain that led her to become "permanently broken" and so that she had not needed to do what she did as she now felt furious and disgusted at herself for going out partying with shallow "friends" and drinking alcohol (she never drank alcohol before, ever) and fucking 4 random guys not at the same time, but still within a few weeks which was a lot. It could have been 8 or 12 for that matter, the damage was done. She kept repeating "Sorry" dozens of times and "Sorry I really have not changed" and "I am the same person you thought I was at the start" and "It was because of the pain, I had to do something" etc. but women don't seem to realize, when they do shit like that, any self-respecting male has no other option but to get her out of his life. I sent her this:

"You are now a different person from the girl I liked. I wish we could go back in time on the one hand, on the other hand I don't, because for better or worse I know what you are capable of. You now have to deal with the consequences of what you did, and hence, who you are, and, if you truly are sorry, putting me through the painful disappointment in making me believe you were something you were not and letting me down in such a degenerate and disgusting manner. You should have told me what you were from the start, but I did enjoy our year together. It was all based on delusion and fantasy but a wonderful real-life film in my last year of childhood. Anyway, good luck."

About 3 years later I heard through some friends that she was stable and doing well, her "normal self". Another closer friend met her and she was with her BF, whom he described as distinctly average. In front of him she said, "Say Hi to [me] for me." Woman speak for "I've got a stable BF and I'm doing fine without you, but you're still on my mind."

Always surprises me, the strength of these highschool romances. I know couples since 16 who are married, or engaged, or still together, all these years later, it doesn't just happen in Poland. The difference is, I think, some of the girls ride the carousel on the sly in the UK, while it is less prevalent in Poland at the moment.

I do wonder, whether every girl, no matter how sweet, has the capability to do such things, even to relieve emotional pain in destructive ways similar to self-harming i.e. purposely destroying her moral integrity amongst her peers and in her mind and of course to get revenge, all this coming not from a point of being inherently evil, as evil and debauched as the acts may seem, but rather from a point of desperate weakness. I see girls break up with their BFs and they cannot be alone for more than a month. Especially the alpha widows. A lot of them hop on the carousel and numb the pain with random dick, friends, partying, alcohol, and so on. Some may just become prostitutes, others rabid SJWs. Others just pitiful alpha widows.

There is a very average girl right now who I am secretly hoping bangs or has banged someone else since I last saw her, so I have an excuse to GTFO without triggering her "just been broken up with" rage because I feel she has the potential to do something worse, in addition to banging loads of guys. Girls who you think are stable can explode under the wrong conditions. I can pretend to be deeply sad and pathetic then she will treat me with indifference as she would all her other pathetic orbiters.

"Hell hath no fury like a woman's scorn." and all that...

EDIT: But that is not the biggest red pill I have had to swallow. In terms of strictly red pill, the general nature of females and "Game". How boring and vapid they are yet how they run rings around 99% of men with their autonomic social intelligence combined with their female bodies, so intelligent in some ways and so utterly retarded in others, beyond a female's looks and her feminine charms e.g. her laughs, her mannerisms, her voice, her assortment of insignificant characteristics that make it appear as if she is different from the rest... nope, there are certainly better quality girls relatively speaking, but girls that meet our standards in terms of character do not exist. They are born with these imperfections, these weaknesses, as well as these strengths, after many thousands of years of evolution. Ultimately, what was deemed unnecessary for women to possess was jettisoned over many evolutionary cycles, and more of the things relating to successful bearing of a child with the best chance in turn to survive and reproduce him/herself (selecting the man with optimal genes) and securing a man to reliably provide for her and her offspring (selecting the man with the capability and willingness to provide for her and her offspring), and, of course, nurturing her children until they can learn to fend for themselves. Obviously the selection of the provider of genes and provider of food etc. may or may not be the same man, ideally the same man with high quality genes, but this can't always be achieved. That's why in those dozens of "looks are #1" online game experiments where models' pictures and girls' replies are posted, there is nothing new to this at all to me, but it is very jarring to "puahate" type forum members, when all I see is poor to average quality women seeing a "genetic lottery win" on the cards and not caring about anything to do with that man providing for her or not. Also, online game is heavily focused on looks so pictures convey near 100% of the data about you while girls you met via social circle might know a hell of a lot more about you and judge you based on a variety of data, since they have it, while online they don't.

Post: #272

(05-12-2018 07:00 PM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  I don't think there's an afterlife.

The afterlife is having alpha sons who share your ideals and are pragmatic and gritty enough to shape the world around them in accordance to such ideals.

Post: #273

(05-12-2018 04:50 PM)Kentemo Wrote:  I don't want to be all dark and bitter because all girls are sluts or something.

That is the so-called "black pill".

There's nothing to be dark and bitter about. I think most of us are having a blast. What really clicked with me was reading Rollo Tomassi.

The third or thirtieth time you read something and it not only resonates with suspicions you had, but perfectly explains something bizarre that happened to you in a past relationship, you start to realize the model is pretty sound and you can laugh about things that used to stress you out.

I'm not going to tell you you have to jump in feet-first, do what you want. I just don't think you should see if as a negative. That's maybe missing the point.

Post: #274

(05-09-2018 01:10 AM)N°6 Wrote:  robreke, I was just thinking this the other day. When I first got into Game circa 2007, the rule of thumb was that sex would normally trigger some sort of relationship or FWB arrangement expectation from the woman.

Now consummation means nothing. It barely reduces the flake and ghosting chance.

I know of a barmaid who is quite honestly a 3 (short, chubby, too much make-up and with skin psoriasis) who answered an OKCupid question that’s she’s had over 100 sexual partners. She’s not even 25.

Show me a RVF member who has had over a 100 women and I’ll show you a very attractive lifestyle that he’s worked hard to achieve as well as fortunate genetics.

Yeah, usually after sex it was almost completely in your court as to whether you saw each other again. Nowadays you had better be the best sex of her life to see her again, and even that isn't guaranteed to work. That's why I always say fuck her with the force of a thousand suns. But yeah, it used to be a lot more "fair" in that we did the pre-sex chasing, while the woman did the post-sex chasing. Now the latter has, especially in the West, been flipped on its head.

About the 3 uggo, yeah it's sad that if she were male she'd probably be a Supreme Gentleman, but we have to accept it. The only solace is that somewhere deep down she knows she's a 3. At the same time when the feedback of being desirable to 100 men comes in, it does wonders for the ego. Though at the same time, for a girl, getting pumped and dumped a lot is not going to lead to good mental health.

Post: #275

(05-12-2018 07:00 PM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  I don't think there's an afterlife. It seems too bitter to swallow I think that's why people rationalize it with elaborate riddles trying to make it true.

The threat of a bad afterlife used to be an effective tool for social control, but no one falls for it anymore.