Post: #1

In today's dispatch from the hamster, a female typist confesses her undying love and devotion to her one-night stands. She also confirms some core tenets of game, namely the aloof attitude and preselection.

http://www.vice.com/read/the-less-i-know...i-want-you

Quote: I think the velocity of pursuit is an addictive state. It's often why the people who rejected us, or whom we perceive rejected us, are the hardest to get over. When we get rebuffed in the moment that occurs right before we touch the love object—or when we are spurned in the peak of an early-stage love high—we want to get back there forever. We might not even really miss the person. We might just miss the feeling.

This woman is incapable of love with any man because of her extensive sexual history. Instead, she's addicted to the feeling of chasing after high-value men that she can't have.

Here's an example.

Quote:The other day I saw my hot neighbor Edward making out with a woman by her car. Edward is an eternal boy—sun-kissed and scruffy. Rumor has it that the only furniture in his studio apartment is a futon bed. I've never seen him without a board of some kind—surf or skate. I totally want Edward. But more than anything, I think I want to be Edward.

It was very early Sunday morning, very postcoital, and I knew this woman wasn't his girlfriend. I knew it because Edward is in no way the type to have a girlfriend. Also, I've seen a lot of other women come and go from his apartment. But the way that he had his arm gently around her waist, and the electricity and spit between them, made it look to me—in that one moment—like they were each others' forever.

In the book The Evolution of Human Sexuality , Donald Symons writes, "The partner with the lesser emotional investment in a relationship controls the relationship." The woman had her arms wrapped tightly around Edward. I noticed that she was holding on just a little bit tighter than he was. I also noticed that he was the one who stopped kissing first. When she got in her car, she looked back to see if he was still looking at her. He wasn't.

Quote:All week, after witnessing the postcoital makeout, I pretended I was this woman. On Sunday night I felt the anxiety of wondering whether he would text or not. On Monday, I pictured her semi-hopeful for a text; Tuesday, growing impatient, checking her phone all day. Wednesday brought the reality that it might not ever happen, and the depression that comes with a rejection. I felt her wondering how he could not desire more of the sex that had led to that kissing moment, which seemed so beautiful and romantic. Thursday was empty and listless. Friday, like: Fuck him, he's an asshole. Saturday, nostalgic for the Saturday night before. Sunday, just saying "fuck it" and texting him.

I have no way of knowing whether or not this was her experience. I haven't seen either of them in a week, so maybe they are huddled together on his futon. Maybe he is texting her every day. But this is the narrative I projected on them, perhaps to ease the sadness I felt when the moment of beauty they shared was not mine.

This chick sees the revolving doors of hoes that Edward has and gets tingles. Edward wisely doesn't make a move on his neighbor (shitting where you eat and whatnot), so she creates this fantasy relationship in her mind. But even her fantasy relationship is dysfunctional, as she doesn't imagine domestic bliss. Instead she imagines him fading away from her and having to chase after him.

Also, this chick probably acts catty toward the girls Edward's fucking.

Quote: Recently I made a list of every person I have ever kissed. Most of them were more than just kissing: oral sex, fucking, fingering, or at least rolling around in our undies.

That sloot's list:

Quote: But I wanted to look at the full count of everyone I've ever engaged with romantically. I looked at the people on the list with whom I felt the most obsessed. I put an asterisk next to them. I then looked at the people whom I initially pined for, but then quickly grew lukewarm. Next to them I placed a dot. Then I looked at the people I have loved, but for whom I never longed, burned, or crushed in a dramatic or poetic way. Next to them I put an X.

The first thing I noticed was that everyone who got the asterisk of obsession had only been a brief fling: at most a three-night stand. I then noticed that the people who received a dot—those for whom I felt an initial longing, which quickly fizzled—were those whom I had admired from afar or felt uncertainty regarding their affections. Once they made their strong feelings for me clear, or we engaged in a relationship, I was like, eh. The weirdest part was that no one with whom I had been in a long-term relationship got the asterisk or the dot. They all got the X of companionate love—deep love, even—but not that butterflies feeling.

It probably says bad things about my capacity for intimacy that the people I have most desired are those I never got to know. I'm not talking about a gradual loss of attraction. I mean the dissipation of a fantasy. Once someone becomes real, it is hard to turn them into an escape. Once the forward motion of love-anxiety has dissipated, I am left again to grapple with death-anxiety, life-anxiety, and worst of all, myself.

The carousel has damaged her, so she can't forge deep connections anymore. The relationships that lasted months or years with an understanding man don't burn in her memory like those hours with an aloof cad. And relationships that started strong quickly faded once the man revealed his interest in her. She remembers the pump n' dumps most fondly.

If a cad ever texted her a year or two later at 2:00 AM (hypothetically speaking), she'd drop everything to give him a blowjob in an alley. She'd might still meet with the long-term relationships if they did, but to catch up over coffee, during which she'd be distractedly texting and tindering the entire time.

Quote:The poet Octavio Paz writes, "Each minute is a knife blade of separation: How to trust our life to the blade that may slit our throat? The remedy lies in finding a balm that heals forever the wound inflicted upon us by time's hours and minutes... Almost from the moment of birth, humans flee from themselves. Where do they go? In endless search of themselves... is there no way out? Yes, there is: At certain moments time opens just a crack and allows us to glimpse the other side. These moments are experiences of the merging of subject and object, of I am and you are, of now and forever, here, and there."

I would love to live in the moment of a kiss goodbye, a beautiful makeout after a night of hot sex, with someone whom I like just a little bit more than they like me. I don't want to ever grapple with the knowledge that I like the person more than they like me. I don't want the pain of waiting for a text as days go by. I simply want to feel my own want of them on an electric level, feel it in that kiss, forever. I want everything to be that kiss. It seems unfair to me that a kiss like this is not sustainable or eternal. It seems unfair that fantasy isn't reality.

This is mostly indecipherable hamsterese that you're better off ignoring. However, in that slog of words, she slips up and writes something coherent. In this case, about her ideal moment.

Her ideal moment is after sex, sharing a kiss goodbye with a man who likes her less than she likes him. This is what she dreams about.

This is why threads like this show that some members still don't grasp the attitude necessary to become one of the flings that stay with her.

Ending her doubt about whether you like her is the end of the fun. Give her what she wants by remaining noncommittal. The second you come down off the fence, her fantasy of chasing you is over, so you have to keep prolonging the chase.

Because once she knows you actually like her, the fantasy's over. Now, the fantasy can't last forever, but why not keep it going as long as you can?

Post: #2

What a fucking weirdo.

Post: #3

The ancients knew a woman can never make up her mind. Her elders would choose who she would get.
We threw that out the window years ago and now we are flat without a lug wrench down in the projects at 1:00am.

Post: #4

I skimmed it. All women who write on their romantic misadventures sound like they're the same person, it's so weird.

Quote:I would love to live in the moment of a kiss goodbye, a beautiful makeout after a night of hot sex, with someone whom I like just a little bit more than they like me. I don't want to ever grapple with the knowledge that I like the person more than they like me. I don't want the pain of waiting for a text as days go by. I simply want to feel my own want of them on an electric level, feel it in that kiss, forever. I want everything to be that kiss. It seems unfair to me that a kiss like this is not sustainable or eternal. It seems unfair that fantasy isn't reality.

If I were to impersonate writing as a woman as a writing exercise, that'd be the exact paragraph I'd write. Then I'd transition into a screed against the beta provider husband if the prompt was that the woman was married and a 'hopeful' and 'eager for what the future will bring' conclusion if she was unmarried.

Post: #5

(07-11-2015 05:33 PM)scorpion Wrote:  What a fucking weirdo.

Weird would entail her being odd. She is actually quite common, that is the scary part- most women are like this nowadays in America. Her being weird, we should be so lucky...

Post: #6

(07-11-2015 05:33 PM)scorpion Wrote:  What a fucking weirdo.

Take a look at the article's comments. Notice how many women, and some of those girls are pretty cute, say "Yeah I feel the same way" or "That's so me." A lot of women empathize with this.

Every man needs to read this. This isn't the world I want to live in. But if this is the world that is, we should all aim to be the guys she lusts over after a hot night of bareback sex instead of the boring long term relationship that puts her to sleep.

Post: #7

This belongs in the ever-growing annals of female psychology.

My first reaction wasn't "what a weirdo" but "what a psycho".

In other words, a woman.

What's funniest of all is the free pass women get to write articles like these and publicly share their psychosis. That article has nothing to do with her personal view of relationships. It's not an expression of her desires, hopes, or wants.

All it is is her saying that she wants to fuck her neighbor, and this is the shit that goes through a chick's head when she wants someone that doesn't want them back.

Post: #8

Great write up OP.

In my young Disney/Fantasy days, I would have thought this chick to be an exception to the rule - but now I know differently, and this really shouldn't be a surprise to anyone who's taken and fully internalized the red pill. In essence: This is the Red Pill - this IS how a woman's mind works. How this woman thinks doesn't surprise me at all, what surprises me is the self awareness and the fact that she understands how she thinks and operates - her self awareness. This is the rare breed of woman that could possibly give sound dating advice to men.

I actually give her props for coming to the conclusion that the reason she's single isn't because "guys are assholes", it's because once a guy fully commits and starts treating her well, SHE loses interest. Again, this shouldn't be a surprise to anyone here that chicks think this way, but what should be the surprise is that she came to this conclusion as well.

(07-11-2015 07:01 PM)Veloce Wrote:  This belongs in the ever-growing annals of female psychology.

And I agree, this should be required reading for any man who's trying to learn about women.

Post: #9

So... who wants to man up and marry this woman?

Post: #10

(07-11-2015 08:22 PM)Kabal Wrote:  So... who wants to man up and marry this woman?

la_mode will.

G

Post: #11

once again, lets review;

The more you talk, the more you tell about yourself, the more stupid ass stories you drone on about, the more you reveal, the less wet she will be. 80/20 rule, she does 80% of the talking, you hold back with no detail about who you are 20% of the time.

Post: #12

I don't see anything unusual or unexpected here.

This article is useful because it confirms many of the things that we know, but need reminders of:

1. Women are more attracted to guys whose feelings are unclear. You need to leave her doubting and guessing.

2. Don't reveal too much too soon. This causes attraction to wither and dry up.

3. Get off the phone. Texting and phoning is for setting up meetings, not for extended dialogues. When she tries to draw you into the stupid 20-question interrogation, tell her you'll talk about that when you meet up.

Post: #13

delete

Post: #14

(07-11-2015 08:39 PM)Vaun Wrote:  once again, lets review;

The more you talk, the more you tell about yourself, the more stupid ass stories you drone on about, the more you reveal, the less wet she will be. 80/20 rule, she does 80% of the talking, you hold back with no detail about who you are 20% of the time.

So True. I was at Bardot (a Miami hipster club) hanging out smoking weed, just happy to be out of the house. I was not hitting on chicks , just having fun during ULTRA listing to the DJ at 4am when a girl out of the blue choose me and she was fine( an 8-9). She bought me two drinks and we Ubered it to her loft 20 minutes later, when I got her naked she only had one tattoo, real C cup tits(real tits are rare in Miami), and a banging body. I beat that shit up for 45 minutes and passed out.
The next afternoon when I wake up I pull back the covers and that bitch was finer than I remembered, hit it with the morning wood for another 45 minutes then walked from her loft Downtown back to my place in Brickell and went back to sleep. Two days later she hit me up at 4am and I went back over there and fucked her down again, did not linger and walked home before she woke up.
This happened a few more times until one morning she pulled out some good weed, I smoked and she ordered some pizza, and we talked. Like a dumbass I was honest with her told her about me, my situation, and life in general. The next time (and last time) I went over she started making girlfriend demands, wanted to come to my house, asking why I have no Facebook or Instagram, and tried to connect with me on LinkedIn, and asked why we do not do anything but have sex all the time. I have a real girlfriend already and she gives me enough shit as it is, so I bounced on that bitch and ignore her texts. If I had just kept my mouth shut I would still have that ass on call but I got comfortable and fucked it up.
When in doubt say nothing, let them wonder, leave before they want you too, and never be honest-it never works out.

Post: #15

Smartphone culture + "never settle" mentality is literally pushing women into eternal spinsterdom.

Post: #16

(07-11-2015 05:09 PM)Bacchus Wrote:  Because once she knows you actually like her, the fantasy's over. Now, the fantasy can't last forever, but why not keep it going as long as you can?

(07-11-2015 08:39 PM)Vaun Wrote:  once again, lets review;

The more you talk, the more you tell about yourself, the more stupid ass stories you drone on about, the more you reveal, the less wet she will be. 80/20 rule, she does 80% of the talking, you hold back with no detail about who you are 20% of the time.

My time in Vegas etched this into my head forever! Girls came in every week looking for a crazy time with some dude they met in Vegas. I arrogantly thought it had to be something special about ME that would get me laid so I yammered on like moron and got nowhere.

Then I realized, it's got nothing to do with me. She's fucking the "crazy weekend in Vegas" fantasy! All I had to do was approach and shut the hell up - let her hamster do the grunt work for me.

Once learning this, what did I do? I stupidly got a girlfriend...I still kick myself for all of that wasted time.

Post: #17

Translation from Hamsterese:

She is not an 8-9 like the example with Atlanta Man. She had no assortment of High Value Men or Alphas who wanted to commit to her.

As many women in the 5-6 range they fuck guys who are more good-looking and higher value than her. All of those guys use her as a fucktoy. If she were more attractive, she would be a full Alpha widow having had at least LTRs with those men, having then experienced what it means to be actually together with an Alpha. So she only had 3-day-stands at the most with Alphas and those that confessed their love were certainly Blue Pill Betas.

Post: #18

(07-12-2015 03:54 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  As many women in the 5-6 range they fuck guys who are more good-looking and higher value than her. All of those guys use her as a fucktoy.

I honestly think its just as easy, if not easier, to turn them off when you are a blubbering idiot. Its as if you kill their opportunity to be with the mystery man of their dreams. Woman at every level share some universal truths. Men talking too much is one of them.

Post: #19

(07-12-2015 03:54 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  Translation from Hamsterese:

She is not an 8-9 like the example with Atlanta Man. She had no assortment of High Value Men or Alphas who wanted to commit to her.

As many women in the 5-6 range they fuck guys who are more good-looking and higher value than her. All of those guys use her as a fucktoy. If she were more attractive, she would be a full Alpha widow having had at least LTRs with those men, having then experienced what it means to be actually together with an Alpha. So she only had 3-day-stands at the most with Alphas and those that confessed their love were certainly Blue Pill Betas.

Interesting take. Her self perceived value is higher than her actual value - due to the higher value man cock carousel riding she's been doing for most of her life. So she's ultimately never going to be satisfied.

I agree, Atlanta Man's example may be somewhat different. Although, some things are comparable - I'm a believer that the biggest deciding factor on what kind of relationship you're going to have with a woman is with how it begins. Example: IME it's virtually impossible to have a healthy LTR with a woman after banging her 30 minutes after you met. Even when the woman eventually says she wants something more like in the examples here, it's usually just her hamster brain doing the talking.

Though, there are ways to have healthy successful happy LTR's, but that relationship foundation needs to be built on something more than drunken club sex.

Post: #20

Atlanta Man's example was rather a hot girl, who actually wanted him. He opened up to her and she saw it as a sign that they were getting more of an item and moving towards a LTR. He stated correctly that he could have fucked her for the next 3 months or longer without her demanding much more openly.

The woman in the article has spent with guys she really wanted only 3 one night stands. That means that no Alpha with Game wanted her even as a fuckbuddy. Thus in return I estimate her looks/weight level to be in the 5 to 6 area - good enough for a quick bang, but not good enough for anything more. Because even extreme Players tend to go back to a girl if she is attractive and hot to them.

Post: #21

^^^that's brilliant and makes perfect sense. I'd rep you again for that analysis if I could.

Even my friends who pump and dump everything will keep a girl around for more than a few days if she's attractive.

This woman reminds me of a few women I know, one in particular. She goes on and on about this guy she actually likes, and it is clear that she is just a last second booty call to him. I've met him, good guy who makes a ton of $$. Meanwhile, she has random flings with guys she meets on the internet.

What this woman and the woman I know also have in common is that while they think they are so clever and empowered in sharing their experiences because, ya know, women can enjoy sex too, men read it as "I've been fucked by so many guys, run for the hills".

It's another example of gender myopia. Just because women like a guy who has been with numerous women, it doesn't mean men do. These women exude what they think are masculine qualities, a style of locker room talk where they brag about their conquests, then go home and cry to their cats about why they can't find a good man.

The simple solution is to exude feminine qualities and make a choice while in your prime. Your job and 'experience' aren't impressive to us, but rather often a huge turnoff.

Post: #22

(07-12-2015 10:32 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  Atlanta Man's example was rather a hot girl, who actually wanted him. He opened up to her and she saw it as a sign that they were getting more of an item and moving towards a LTR. He stated correctly that he could have fucked her for the next 3 months or longer without her demanding much more openly.

If he wouldn't have talked about puppy dogs and ice cream, which he did, then he wouldn't have sent a perfectly good fuck buddy relationship spiraling out of control - at the time, the woman seemed like she wanted something more, but if he would have given her something more, would that "want" have still remained?

Quote:The woman in the article has spent with guys she really wanted only 3 one night stands.

I believe this is part of the whole point of this article and thread. These short flings stands were with guys who ended it....right? In which case, she was left wanting more - thus the 'asterisk'. However, what about all the other guys that, in typical chick fashion, she couldn't give two shits about? They still wanted her....right? Because they still wanted her does that automatically mean they weren't Alpha?

Quote:That means that no Alpha with Game wanted her even as a fuckbuddy. Thus in return I estimate her looks/weight level to be in the 5 to 6 area - good enough for a quick bang, but not good enough for anything more. Because even extreme Players tend to go back to a girl if she is attractive and hot to them.

Very possibly. Most guys will go back to my less desirables every so often - if the opportunity presents itself - no big deal. But the question still remains - FOR HER - why was it only the brief flings that left her hanging that got the asterisk? Could they have been in or around the same Alpha category as the rest, but she still longed for them ONLY because they left her hanging? And what if they would have eventually come back for more? Would they have then lost the asterisk?

Post: #23

(07-12-2015 10:32 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  Atlanta Man's example was rather a hot girl, who actually wanted him. He opened up to her and she saw it as a sign that they were getting more of an item and moving towards a LTR. He stated correctly that he could have fucked her for the next 3 months or longer without her demanding much more openly.

The woman in the article has spent with guys she really wanted only 3 one night stands. That means that no Alpha with Game wanted her even as a fuckbuddy. Thus in return I estimate her looks/weight level to be in the 5 to 6 area - good enough for a quick bang, but not good enough for anything more. Because even extreme Players tend to go back to a girl if she is attractive and hot to them.

In Miami in the Downtown, South Beach,Brickell area you get a lot of really attractive women who have nothing but their looks. So they usually have a wealthy guy who is older but paid taking care of the basics, and they have a part time gig waitressing, or hosting for extra money. When they hit the real Miami spots (everything not in South Beach) or SIN nights(Service Industry Nights- cheap drinks, everyone in the industry, Mondays or Tuesdays) that is when normal guys who hit the gym, are not rich, but are cool have a chance at them and it is a more laid back atmosphere.

We are all men here so I am going to be honest, these bitches are so fucking hot it is hard to play the post fuck game. In Atlanta if I go out for four to five nights you can easily pull a 6.5 to 7 bang it out and totally not give a fuck and keep frame no problem. In Miami all these industry girls are 8-9 and you fuck while you are drunk, when you wake up and those bitches are still fine sober in the morning, I literally spend cognitive energy to act against my nature and leave. I want to open up, I want to hold them, and talk-but if I do they start to act different, and the dynamic changes for the worst. The bitch I mentioned earlier in this thread was so goddamn fine I wanted to kiss her, I know that may sound weak , but she was really that fine.