(03-06-2019 05:24 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  Everybody's in a bad mood since "Wait and see" is no longer really a tenable argument after Trump failed during the shutdown.
So we're reduced to "Well, Trump may be useless, but he's better than Hillary!" or "What does it matter, the national debt will collapse the government in a few years anyway!" which aren't exactly inspiring.

What would you propose is the answer?
Or the way forward from here?

(03-06-2019 06:14 PM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  What would you propose is the answer?
Or the way forward from here?

There is no "way forward", it's a forum thread.

(03-06-2019 06:21 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 06:14 PM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  What would you propose is the answer?
Or the way forward from here?

There is no "way forward", it's a forum thread.

The ultimate black pill.

Music while you wait




Seems more apropos than the Jeopardy theme

(03-06-2019 06:21 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  There is no "way forward", it's a forum thread.

Yeah, 'shit-talking' is fun. The one sub-forum of the now defunct 'Joe Rogan Board' was called 'Shit-Talking 101' for example.

All the same. Some could see that as you not having an answer or a way forward.

(03-06-2019 01:50 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  So if you know you cannot use Khan-like tactics, why mentally masturbate about it? Because it pumps the guys on the forum up?

Gee I wish we could slice open the pregnant bellies of North Korean or Iraqi enemy combatant's wives, said nobody.

When men problem solve perhaps it is best to brainstorm on things that are, you know, actually practical, realistic, and feasible?

Just a thought.

Nowhere did I say we should use his tactics but we can learn from what he did. He denied his enemies the chance to regroup and grow within his lands.

Allowing our enemies into our countries to breed and prosper is sealing our fate. It wont be the next decade, nor the one after but in 30 years we will see a huge difference from now.

(03-06-2019 06:37 PM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 06:21 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  There is no "way forward", it's a forum thread.

Yeah, 'shit-talking' is fun. The one sub-forum of the now defunct 'Joe Rogan Board' was called 'Shit-Talking 101' for example.

All the same. Some could see that as you not having an answer or a way forward.

Yes, someone with deep and penetrating insight might be able to discern from my statement "There is no way forward" that I do not, in fact, have a way forward.

I swear this place is fucking goofytown lately.

(03-06-2019 06:14 PM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 05:24 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  Everybody's in a bad mood since "Wait and see" is no longer really a tenable argument after Trump failed during the shutdown.
So we're reduced to "Well, Trump may be useless, but he's better than Hillary!" or "What does it matter, the national debt will collapse the government in a few years anyway!" which aren't exactly inspiring.

What would you propose is the answer?
Or the way forward from here?

Other than the trolling, this thread is doing just fine.

I think the way forward is to continue discussing Trump and his successes or failures, here at the 2 year mark. It's one of the great political dramas of modern times and anybody who isn't having a fucking great time watching the battle, or discussing it, is perfectly free to not post any more.

(03-06-2019 08:12 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  I think the way forward is to continue discussing Trump and his successes or failures, here at the 2 year mark. It's one of the great political dramas of modern times and anybody who isn't having a fucking great time watching the battle, or discussing it, is perfectly free to not post any more.

Well, that's kind of the problem. Most of the smart people have stopped posting, and those of us that remain are just posting shorter and more frustrated messages.
And the new crowd of Trump supporters is... well, not going to mention any names, but they're not providing a ton of insight or value, and mostly just haranguing folks for not falling in line.

(03-06-2019 08:17 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 08:12 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  I think the way forward is to continue discussing Trump and his successes or failures, here at the 2 year mark. It's one of the great political dramas of modern times and anybody who isn't having a fucking great time watching the battle, or discussing it, is perfectly free to not post any more.

Well, that's kind of the problem. Most of the smart people have stopped posting, and those of us that remain are just posting shorter and more frustrated messages.
And the new crowd of Trump supporters is... well, not going to mention any names, but they're not providing a ton of insight or value, and mostly just haranguing folks for not falling in line.

I'm not going to waste time arguing, although what you posted is wrong. Sorry you don't like what other people are posting. Good luck.

Every time I see these forum beefs flare up and/or debates crashing into the gutter, all I can think of is this:

Hilarious:





"If a billionaire wants to grab you by the pussy, then let him. You are getting fingered by thousandaires."

(03-06-2019 06:30 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  Music while you wait




Seems more apropos than the Jeopardy theme

I see what you did there and raise you with:

(03-06-2019 05:24 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  Everybody's in a bad mood since "Wait and see" is no longer really a tenable argument after Trump failed during the shutdown.
So we're reduced to "Well, Trump may be useless, but he's better than Hillary!" or "What does it matter, the national debt will collapse the government in a few years anyway!" which aren't exactly inspiring.

You left out the page long list of accomplishments that many have provided. When people overlook so much it makes it impossible to take them seriously.

Lemon is absolutely right. This is a playground, and some of you have shown you're not growing up despite spending years here. I really wonder how some even function in the real world.

(03-06-2019 06:00 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  The will to power.

The will to power or the will to money?

Don't get me wrong here, I'm quite onboard with what you're saying here and with PattayaTapper in general.

I've made a lot of really dumb mistakes when I was young. If I had RVF Forum when I was 18, I would have been monumentally better off. Instead I had to unlearn 18 years of brainwashing at home and in school. I learned to complain about evil capitalists instead of becoming one. Took some years to let go of the belief that someone owed me something and would fix things.

I will say this though, Will to Power, is something entirely different than Will to Money.

A lot of leftists, career shrieking feminists, union types, low level political office types, have a great deal of Will to Power. Complaining (seemingly impotently) is their method of acquiring said power.

I think this should be obvious to everyone now.

Did you hear that story a few days ago about Google having to give men a raise, cause women were paid more for the same job? That's complaining manifesting into quite tangible results. Likewise with all the thousands and thousands of make believe jobs in male dominated industries staffed by feminists. Complaining turned into power.

The problem with Will to Money is that you're one #metoo away from complete ruin. It can get EVERYONE. I actually have a friend quite like that. "What's it to you, why do you care" he said about feminism, now he and all his banker pals are absolutely terrified about getting #metood.

Complaining and whining on a personal scale is counterproductive. Complaining and whining as part of an identity group = will to power.

Will to Power doesn't care about optics, only results. If complaining and whining works, then Will to Power, says go complain and whine. The Covington kids are about to be set up for life, millions of dollars in the bank. Conservatives used to let things like this slide, "take the higher road". They used to accept being slandered out of some chivalrous principle, which really has its origins in christian flaggelation. "Look at me carrying my burdens without response" type of thing.

When a leftist gets rich, do they live according to their principles or do they privately adopt right wing behaviors? We all know the answers to this. Leftists are very pragmatic people. Why can't right wing people be equally pragmatic? Why can't we whine and complain to achieve group power, while privately acting with personal responsibility and internal competition? It's really only a change in mindset, to achieve group power. The internal hierarchy will remain unchanged, cause I know this is what really bothers high achievers from adopting a group identity. They fear a group identity would lessen their social standing (Will to Money alone).

I want to make it very clear, that I have never and will never, suggest anyone on this forum think complaining is a substitute for personal action. I have never done that, but what I actually should have done earlier, what not to take the high road and try to compete as a libertarian, but use every connection, every network, every loophole, every fucked up dynamic, to achieve personal success. That includes complaining, whining, making a fuss as a group, on behalf of a group, against competing groups. Never as a personal victim.

I believe Trump is the next best thing since sliced bread, but I'm sick of hearing about the US embassy being moved to Jerusalem.

(03-06-2019 08:17 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 08:12 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  I think the way forward is to continue discussing Trump and his successes or failures, here at the 2 year mark. It's one of the great political dramas of modern times and anybody who isn't having a fucking great time watching the battle, or discussing it, is perfectly free to not post any more.

Well, that's kind of the problem. Most of the smart people have stopped posting, and those of us that remain are just posting shorter and more frustrated messages.
And the new crowd of Trump supporters is... well, not going to mention any names, but they're not providing a ton of insight or value, and mostly just haranguing folks for not falling in line.

Don't worry SamB, I am still here. Oh wait...

Rand Paul blocks Trump's National Emergency Declaration based on his "libertarian" principles, even though he has voted in the past for Emergency declarations for Obama. Rand Paul believes in open borders. Sometimes I have a hard time deciding which of the terrible ideas of the 20th century will lead to slavery more quickly: Marxism or Libertarianism.

"Sen. Rand Paul Will Block President Trump's National Emergency Declaration"

https://www.thedailybeast.com/rand-paul-...eclaration

(03-07-2019 09:13 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 06:00 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  The will to power.

The will to power or the will to money?
...

When you see an outcome occur in this day and age you need to take very careful notice of who allowed it to happen or who forced it to happen.

The useful idiots on the left might seem like they get a lot of concessions merely by complaining but most of us understand implicitly that the elites only use their complaints as a pretext to put in place measures that they want regardless. Sometimes it seems to backfire but not enough to really make a difference.

The will to power must carry the weight of consequences behind it.

Do we know the rumblings of the men down at Google? Not really. Google knows, I'm certain. They caved because the weight of the consequences crushed their will to power on that particular issue. If those young men demonstrated that they would do diddly squat if they were rebuffed then Google would have laughed at them. I can't say for sure but I'd bet their will to power involved more than just whining to HR.

Lawsuits are an example of the will to power, especially when they carry serious consequences for the defendants. Lawsuits are not "complaining". They are an act of aggression with real world consequences. Those young men in Kentucky are helping shift the tide from cucked conservatives whining about unfair treatment to pissed off traditionalists ready to engage in lawfare, even for its own sake.

Good! That's a great start!

There are other ways to exercise the will to power that don't even cost you lawyer fees but most of those options are not for discussion here.

The question is always "what do you truly want, who or what is standing in your way, what are your tools for dealing with it/them, what are the risks and are you willing to take your chances to follow through, no matter the outcome?"

What weight of consequence can you bring to bear against those who stand in your way? Because they are not going to concede to you out of the goodness of their hearts.

This is the same calculus when waging a revolution as it is driving in snow to buy fried chicken because you're hungry, and if you think it hinges on money alone then talk to the guy that invented the (((coincidence detector))).

The little guy can change the world in a serious way if he knows what he wants and goes after it like a pitbull.

(03-07-2019 09:55 AM)Sherman Wrote:  Rand Paul blocks Trump's National Emergency Declaration based on his "libertarian" principles, even though he has voted in the past for Emergency declarations for Obama. Rand Paul believes in open borders. Sometimes I have a hard time deciding which of the terrible ideas of the 20th century will lead to slavery more quickly: Marxism or Libertarianism.

"Sen. Rand Paul Will Block President Trump's National Emergency Declaration"

https://www.thedailybeast.com/rand-paul-...eclaration

Rand Paul is consistent so it isn't a surprise to anyone.

Maybe Trump will finally learn that he can't trust other Republicans like McConnell.

What does labelling some organization a “terror group” accomplish? Genuinely curious.

Well, under Clinton it would've been 14 million, not 7, so... hooray? I guess?

(04-30-2019 09:44 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  What does labelling some organization a “terror group” accomplish? Genuinely curious.

From what I understand it drastically broadens the powers the state has to act against them. Which is to say it allows the state to perform the regular abuses it does against regular citizens but in a more streamlined manner with less blowback if anyone starts paying attention.

Banking black-lists. Airline black-lists. Warrant-less surveillance. Secret arrests. Secret trials. Holidays to Guantanamo. Etc etc.

No sense in bothering to get wet at this stage. As always it's "going to" and "pushing toward" and "on the to-do list".

Just scraps of red meat for fans. "It's happening" and all that...

Even if they got the designation to stick then it still falls to the swamp to actually go after the MB. Ergo nothing is going to happen to them unless Israel wants it to, in which case it's nothing to be celebrated regardless.

My bet is that AIPAC is putting the screws on the MB to keep them in line. Maybe this all goes away if a few dozen car bomb go off in Damascus or something like that. Just Papa Chosen reminding them who's got the clout.

^ aka "(((You))) happy, I happy"

The Muslim Brotherhood is mainly an opposition force to the Saudis. They're not the one's responsible for Al-Qaeda or ISIS. The journalist who got murdered in Turkey was connected to them.

Don't think Trump suddenly got smart, he is just being a cuck to his Saudi masters.