(03-06-2019 11:00 AM)Prince Hubris Wrote:  Some of these Democrats are more America First than Trump at this point. Ilhan Omar is naming Israel, Andrew Yang is talking about the struggles of the white middle class, and Tulsi Gabbard is a noninterventionist. Trump has made it clear that his administration has been completely subverted and he is defending the ZOG status quo.

Ilhan Omar voted against a bill to stop insurance death payments to convicted terrorists.

She also asked for leniency for guys that got caught trying to join ISIS.

Yeah, she is a real American first candidate because she hates Israel. Your hatred for Israel is no better than SJW's hatred for white men. It becomes borderline insane when you start propping up people like Omar.

(03-06-2019 11:26 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 10:51 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  Technology and modern civilizations do not permit the barbaric tactics of a man that lived almost 1000 years ago.

Er...

And what is your point?

None of the actors in WW2 that relegated themselves to barbarism ended up winning anything at all. The Japanese got their shit pushed in. The Germans ditto. The Russians and the Chinese after the war paid the price internally for barbaric behavior.

WW2 was actually the end of the barbarism. I don't know why you would pick that to attempt to prove me wrong, but you need to study a lot more like Foolsgold needs to if you want to make the point that Khan like tactics have a place in today's world.

(03-06-2019 11:21 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  TK, simmer down.

Awww. What's the matter? You and the black pillers got too comfortable spewing bullshit in this thread because I was too busy to check you at the door?

Don't worry I will be busy tomorrow and you can go back to your regular unmolested schedule.

(03-06-2019 11:33 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  Awww. What's the matter? You and the black pillers got too comfortable spewing bullshit in this thread because I was too busy to check you at the door?

Don't worry I will be busy tomorrow and you can go back to your regular unmolested schedule.

No, I'm ok with you calling us out and disagreeing but you have an overly aggressive tone. We're not in the ghetto.

(03-06-2019 11:38 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 11:33 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  Awww. What's the matter? You and the black pillers got too comfortable spewing bullshit in this thread because I was too busy to check you at the door?

Don't worry I will be busy tomorrow and you can go back to your regular unmolested schedule.

No, I'm ok with you calling us out and disagreeing but you have an overly aggressive tone. We're not in the ghetto.

Ah the ghetto.... nice one. Seems that you learned some things from the WNs you allegedly hate.

I guess my aggression is toxic masculinity too. Please by all means, show us how a real man debates and argues. You have yet to make a point on anything, so by all means, please show us ghetto Americans how it is supposed to work.

(03-06-2019 11:31 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  None of the actors in WW2 that relegated themselves to barbarism ended up winning anything at all. The Japanese got their shit pushed in. The Germans ditto. The Russians and the Chinese after the war paid the price internally for barbaric behavior.

I don't see what German/Japanese loss has to do with their barbarism. Their loss is partly attributable to poor strategic military decisions and partly to the strongly unfavorable geopolitical situation that they were in. If anything, you could say that their positions were so utterly doomed that they couldn't prevail in the long run even by engaging in the shortcuts of barbarism.

I'm not sure what price the Russians and Chinese paid after the war, so I won't comment on that.

Quote:WW2 was actually the end of the barbarism.

Or perhaps... it wasn't? *DUN DUNN DUNNN DUNNNN DUNNNNN!*

Seriously, why would you possibly say that? There's a staggering amount of barbarism active in the world today, not to mention the oceans that are just hibernating until the right opportunity presents itself.

Quote:I don't know why you would pick that to attempt to prove me wrong, but you need to study a lot more like Foolsgold needs to if you want to make the point that Khan like tactics have a place in today's world.

No need to study because the point is completely valid. Here it is again:

Quote:Technology and modern civilizations do not permit the barbaric tactics of a man that lived almost 1000 years ago. People need to be smarter than basic bitch emotional crowd outrage. Laws and civility got us this far, going backwards is a terrible idea.

Wrong. You can't legislate it away, you can't ban it, and you certainly can't stop it by using civility. Barbaric tactics don't require permission. That's the whole point of barbarism!

(03-06-2019 10:51 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 07:34 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 04:38 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 04:31 PM)Libertas Wrote:  Let her and her little jihadist brood stay in their shithole refugee camp where they belong.

Why? So he can radicalize and become the next Al Sadr? Let them come. At worst, he will become a MGTOW, a Soyboy, or an Antifa.

Read some Machiavelli guys! The best way to defeat your enemies is to destroy their parents and take their children and re-educate them!

No. The best way to defeat your enemies is to do what Genghis Khan did.

Yeah and where did that get him? Mongolia would be a shithole today if it were not as empty as some of it's prairies.

Go back and read his history and compare and contrast that to anything modern, like the Venetian Empire, anything Machiavelli wrote.

It's easy to raze, rape, and pillage motherfuckers until none are left, if you live in tents, ride on horses, and use bows.

Technology and modern civilizations do not permit the barbaric tactics of a man that lived almost 1000 years ago. People need to be smarter than basic bitch emotional crowd outrage. Laws and civility got us this far, going backwards is a terrible idea.

I never said what he did would apply today but his tactic was to not leave enemies behind you so they can grow. Its why he razed the towns and cities without mercy once they rebelled.

Cant rebel if you're dead and your people scattered for generations to come.

Thats what we can learn from. Once you remove them from the place you dont want them to be its a matter of keeping them out. If we can keep the legacies of these people out of our countries then we can allow future generations to stay one step ahead.

Unless you're in Western Europe/Canada who are not deporting them but are doing the exact opposite. I'm still confused about these Jihadi brides being locked out but many male fighters were allowed back and most, if not all of them have children.

Civnat: People should be free to practice their religion as they see fit as long as they harm nobody else.

Muslim: America is under undue levels of Israeli influence.

Civnat: Shut your mouth you filthy fucking terrorist!



I have to dust off my score cards for the mental gymnastics that are going to be on display for the next two years.

(03-06-2019 12:56 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Civnat: People should be free to practice their religion as they see fit as long as they harm nobody else.

Muslim: America is under undue levels of Israeli influence.

Civnat: Shut your mouth you filthy fucking terrorist!



I have to dust off my score cards for the mental gymnastics that are going to be on display for the next two years.

You referring to my post Leonard?

(03-06-2019 12:34 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 10:51 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 07:34 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 04:38 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 04:31 PM)Libertas Wrote:  Let her and her little jihadist brood stay in their shithole refugee camp where they belong.

Why? So he can radicalize and become the next Al Sadr? Let them come. At worst, he will become a MGTOW, a Soyboy, or an Antifa.

Read some Machiavelli guys! The best way to defeat your enemies is to destroy their parents and take their children and re-educate them!

No. The best way to defeat your enemies is to do what Genghis Khan did.

Yeah and where did that get him? Mongolia would be a shithole today if it were not as empty as some of it's prairies.

Go back and read his history and compare and contrast that to anything modern, like the Venetian Empire, anything Machiavelli wrote.

It's easy to raze, rape, and pillage motherfuckers until none are left, if you live in tents, ride on horses, and use bows.

Technology and modern civilizations do not permit the barbaric tactics of a man that lived almost 1000 years ago. People need to be smarter than basic bitch emotional crowd outrage. Laws and civility got us this far, going backwards is a terrible idea.

I never said what he did would apply today but his tactic was to not leave enemies behind you so they can grow. Its why he razed the towns and cities without mercy once they rebelled.

Cant rebel if you're dead and your people scattered for generations to come.

Thats what we can learn from. Once you remove them from the place you dont want them to be its a matter of keeping them out. If we can keep the legacies of these people out of our countries then we can allow future generations to stay one step ahead.

Unless you're in Western Europe/Canada who are not deporting them but are doing the exact opposite. I'm still confused about these Jihadi brides being locked out but many male fighters were allowed back and most, if not all of them have children.

So if you know you cannot use Khan-like tactics, why mentally masturbate about it? Because it pumps the guys on the forum up?

Gee I wish we could slice open the pregnant bellies of North Korean or Iraqi enemy combatant's wives, said nobody.

When men problem solve perhaps it is best to brainstorm on things that are, you know, actually practical, realistic, and feasible?

Just a thought.

(03-06-2019 07:34 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 06:39 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 04:38 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 04:31 PM)Libertas Wrote:  Let her and her little jihadist brood stay in their shithole refugee camp where they belong.

Why? So he can radicalize and become the next Al Sadr? Let them come. At worst, he will become a MGTOW, a Soyboy, or an Antifa.

Read some Machiavelli guys! The best way to defeat your enemies is to destroy their parents and take their children and re-educate them!

Yeah, or a homegrown terrorist who reads up on his mothers antics and what she stood for.

Suddenly Jihadi Jane's son becomes radicalized and blows up American citizens.

The lowest risk option is not letting her in and letting Jihadi Joe's get her killed in a drone strike or she gets stuck in some shit hole FAR from us with her newest Jihadi Joe husband.

It should be a strict rule of law if you fight for a terrorist army or foreign army AGAINST your home countries forces that you:

1.Citizenship/Passport Revoked
2.Death Penalty if you somehow make it back to your home country.
3.No mercy if attacked by home country forces in an overseas battle.

Jihadi Jane is ALREADY suffering - because she's in a shithole, with her kids, and not in the first world nations.

Let her fucking rot and be forgotten about.

Yeah because ignoring Muslims worked so well in the past before.....

It's no wonder historians always say history repeats itself.

I bet if we were forced to undertake another "Crusade" of sorts just to liberate Europe, at least half of you would lose heart, give up, and go back home and "ignore" the Muslims until the next "Crusade" happens.

All this ignoring of Muslims is why we are in the mess in the first place.

I'm not talking all Muslims, I'm talking about this stupid cunt begging to come back to the states.

She made her bed, now she has to lay in it, period.

She should of thought of that before she made her choice.

By letting her in, we're giving her the pussy pass and letting her past actions slide.

Being a former Muslim, last thing we need is another Jihadi Jane living on our soil and bringing her child(ren) back home also with 0 prospects of work and living off our tax dollar.

(03-06-2019 11:47 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 11:38 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 11:33 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  Awww. What's the matter? You and the black pillers got too comfortable spewing bullshit in this thread because I was too busy to check you at the door?

Don't worry I will be busy tomorrow and you can go back to your regular unmolested schedule.

No, I'm ok with you calling us out and disagreeing but you have an overly aggressive tone. We're not in the ghetto.

Ah the ghetto.... nice one. Seems that you learned some things from the WNs you allegedly hate.

I guess my aggression is toxic masculinity too. Please by all means, show us how a real man debates and argues. You have yet to make a point on anything, so by all means, please show us ghetto Americans how it is supposed to work.

Dude just ignore him, most the time he's just low level passive aggressive trolling, stirring the pot in the thread, and rarely does he make a point.

It's not worth getting in a fight, suspended, or banned over it.

(03-06-2019 12:10 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 11:31 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  None of the actors in WW2 that relegated themselves to barbarism ended up winning anything at all. The Japanese got their shit pushed in. The Germans ditto. The Russians and the Chinese after the war paid the price internally for barbaric behavior.

I don't see what German/Japanese loss has to do with their barbarism. Their loss is partly attributable to poor strategic military decisions and partly to the strongly unfavorable geopolitical situation that they were in. If anything, you could say that their positions were so utterly doomed that they couldn't prevail in the long run even by engaging in the shortcuts of barbarism.

I'm not sure what price the Russians and Chinese paid after the war, so I won't comment on that.

Quote:WW2 was actually the end of the barbarism.

Or perhaps... it wasn't? *DUN DUNN DUNNN DUNNNN DUNNNNN!*

Seriously, why would you possibly say that? There's a staggering amount of barbarism active in the world today, not to mention the oceans that are just hibernating until the right opportunity presents itself.

Quote:I don't know why you would pick that to attempt to prove me wrong, but you need to study a lot more like Foolsgold needs to if you want to make the point that Khan like tactics have a place in today's world.

No need to study because the point is completely valid. Here it is again:

Quote:Technology and modern civilizations do not permit the barbaric tactics of a man that lived almost 1000 years ago. People need to be smarter than basic bitch emotional crowd outrage. Laws and civility got us this far, going backwards is a terrible idea.

Wrong. You can't legislate it away, you can't ban it, and you certainly can't stop it by using civility. Barbaric tactics don't require permission. That's the whole point of barbarism!

Poor strategy and planning were a symptom. Not the underlying cause. Totalitarianism from a major world player has NEVER won in the end anywhere in the world in modern times. Go find me an example, bet you will not be able to. Barbaric brutality just makes your enemies more emboldened to take you out. Ask Napoleon when you die, about how it felt to have damn near all of Europe riding his ass non stop.

The Japanese did have choices. They did not have to bomb Pearl Harbor. They could have....you know stopped expanding and control their new holdings and pump the oil in those places... Just saying. They bombed PH because of the stupid emperor and their dumb ideological use of Totalitarianism.

Stalin used Totalitarianism and all it did was get out of control and turned into something else. Mao/China same thing. Japan turned into an occupied puppet and later a Democracy, but not because they wanted to, they were forced.

Just because barbarism still exists on planet Earth does not mean that using it works or that it is a valid means to deal with any emerging threats. If anything anyone doing these things get toppled sooner or later as payback. Ghaddafi, Saddam, etc. Kony, Mugabe, etc. etc.

There is no "opportunity" for barbarism. All men are inherently evil, born of sin, and worst than animals. The only thing that keeps us morally on track is Law and Justice. Remove the laws and men will revert to his "natural state" as Thomas Hobbes wrote about.

You make no sense. We have been on the right side of history and continue to win because we stuck to law, order, and civility instead of going backwards into caveman governance. If you think different, cite an example. Nothing you said is valid just because you think so.

(03-06-2019 02:02 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 07:34 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 06:39 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 04:38 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 04:31 PM)Libertas Wrote:  Let her and her little jihadist brood stay in their shithole refugee camp where they belong.

Why? So he can radicalize and become the next Al Sadr? Let them come. At worst, he will become a MGTOW, a Soyboy, or an Antifa.

Read some Machiavelli guys! The best way to defeat your enemies is to destroy their parents and take their children and re-educate them!

Yeah, or a homegrown terrorist who reads up on his mothers antics and what she stood for.

Suddenly Jihadi Jane's son becomes radicalized and blows up American citizens.

The lowest risk option is not letting her in and letting Jihadi Joe's get her killed in a drone strike or she gets stuck in some shit hole FAR from us with her newest Jihadi Joe husband.

It should be a strict rule of law if you fight for a terrorist army or foreign army AGAINST your home countries forces that you:

1.Citizenship/Passport Revoked
2.Death Penalty if you somehow make it back to your home country.
3.No mercy if attacked by home country forces in an overseas battle.

Jihadi Jane is ALREADY suffering - because she's in a shithole, with her kids, and not in the first world nations.

Let her fucking rot and be forgotten about.

Yeah because ignoring Muslims worked so well in the past before.....

It's no wonder historians always say history repeats itself.

I bet if we were forced to undertake another "Crusade" of sorts just to liberate Europe, at least half of you would lose heart, give up, and go back home and "ignore" the Muslims until the next "Crusade" happens.

All this ignoring of Muslims is why we are in the mess in the first place.

I'm not talking all Muslims, I'm talking about this stupid cunt begging to come back to the states.

She made her bed, now she has to lay in it, period.

She should of thought of that before she made her choice.

By letting her in, we're giving her the pussy pass and letting her past actions slide.

Being a former Muslim, last thing we need is another Jihadi Jane living on our soil and bringing her child(ren) back home also with 0 prospects of work and living off our tax dollar.

(03-06-2019 11:47 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 11:38 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 11:33 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  Awww. What's the matter? You and the black pillers got too comfortable spewing bullshit in this thread because I was too busy to check you at the door?

Don't worry I will be busy tomorrow and you can go back to your regular unmolested schedule.

No, I'm ok with you calling us out and disagreeing but you have an overly aggressive tone. We're not in the ghetto.

Ah the ghetto.... nice one. Seems that you learned some things from the WNs you allegedly hate.

I guess my aggression is toxic masculinity too. Please by all means, show us how a real man debates and argues. You have yet to make a point on anything, so by all means, please show us ghetto Americans how it is supposed to work.

Dude just ignore him, most the time he's just low level passive aggressive trolling, stirring the pot in the thread, and rarely does he make a point.

It's not worth getting in a fight, suspended, or banned over it.

Don't get me wrong. I don't want her let loose like she thinks she will be able to. Bitch is delusional. Told Trump to go read the constitution. She has no idea that she self-incriminated herself multiple times for breaking terrorism laws. If she had a dick, we would have hit her ass with a drone by now, but perhaps this is a trap. If she wastes tons of political capital from Democrats and liberals, all she is going to do is get arrested anyway. She isn't Elian Gonzalez hiding in a cot damned closet. If the Dems take the bait it will cost them dearly and some of them are smart enough to know this, but they cannot stop AOC, Ilhan, or the other retards. Let them all go down together.

On Tiger, sometimes it is worth calling him out. He is living proof that leftist/Marxist people are just as racist and incompetent as the far right loons they denigrate. Behold! The racist liberal *ahem* I mean, extremists, in all their splendor and magnificence!

Others including the lurkers need to see this shit for themselves.

You really do not have to say much, just let them run their mouths.

(03-06-2019 02:17 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  Just because barbarism still exists on planet Earth does not mean that using it works or that it is a valid means to deal with any emerging threats.

Agreed, but are so far gone in the other extreme that no one should be surprised when barbarism starts seeming like an appealing solution and eventually returns. It doesn't care whether you think it's valid or not.

Quote:If anything anyone doing these things get toppled sooner or later as payback. Ghaddafi, Saddam, etc. Kony, Mugabe, etc. etc.

It is quite a stretch to say that Ghadaffi and Saddam were toppled as "payback". They were toppled because a bigger, stronger barbarian decided to topple them for fun and profit. And do we even need to mention other regimes all over the world that are doing all the same things as Ghadaffi and and Saddam, yet miraculously no one minds or thinks about toppling them? *cough* Saudi *cough*

Quote:There is no "opportunity" for barbarism. All men are inherently evil, born of sin, and worst than animals. The only thing that keeps us morally on track is Law and Justice. Remove the laws and men will revert to his "natural state" as Thomas Hobbes wrote about.

100% agree, but sadly we're currently experiencing a massive shortage of Law and Justice. Even as we speak, Law and Justice are their deathbed because their keepers have abandoned them. Either they will be renewed or barbarism will soon take their place. And it won't ask for anyone's permission.

Quote:You make no sense. We have been on the right side of history and continue to win because we stuck to law, order, and civility instead of going backwards into caveman governance.

Firstly, there's no such thing as the "right side of history". There are only winners and losers. Our winning streak is but a blip in history and unless we get serious fast, history won't give a damn whether we stuck to this or that.

Secondly, as I said above, we are rapidly losing our grip on law and order. The days of caveman governance are already upon us, even if the cavemen are currently wearing suits.

Quote:If you think different, cite an example.

Most of the western world will be extinct in a few decades. That will be a real triumph for civility, eh?

(03-06-2019 02:53 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 02:17 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  Just because barbarism still exists on planet Earth does not mean that using it works or that it is a valid means to deal with any emerging threats.

Agreed, but are so far gone in the other extreme that no one should be surprised when barbarism starts seeming like an appealing solution and eventually returns. It doesn't care whether you think it's valid or not.

Quote:If anything anyone doing these things get toppled sooner or later as payback. Ghaddafi, Saddam, etc. Kony, Mugabe, etc. etc.

It is quite a stretch to say that Ghadaffi and Saddam were toppled as "payback". They were toppled because a bigger, stronger barbarian decided to topple them for fun and profit. And do we even need to mention other regimes all over the world that are doing all the same things as Ghadaffi and and Saddam, yet miraculously no one minds or thinks about toppling them? *cough* Saudi *cough*

Quote:There is no "opportunity" for barbarism. All men are inherently evil, born of sin, and worst than animals. The only thing that keeps us morally on track is Law and Justice. Remove the laws and men will revert to his "natural state" as Thomas Hobbes wrote about.

100% agree, but sadly we're currently experiencing a massive shortage of Law and Justice. Even as we speak, Law and Justice are their deathbed because their keepers have abandoned them. Either they will be renewed or barbarism will soon take their place. And it won't ask for anyone's permission.

Quote:You make no sense. We have been on the right side of history and continue to win because we stuck to law, order, and civility instead of going backwards into caveman governance.

Firstly, there's no such thing as the "right side of history". There are only winners and losers. Our winning streak is but a blip in history and unless we get serious fast, history won't give a damn whether we stuck to this or that.

Secondly, as I said above, we are rapidly losing our grip on law and order. The days of caveman governance are already upon us, even if the cavemen are currently wearing suits.

Quote:If you think different, cite an example.

Most of the western world will be extinct in a few decades. That will be a real triumph for civility, eh?

You are right validity is based upon the inhabitants of the Earth, not me or you. They step in when they do not like something. Human beings are social creatures. Nosy to the max. If you think wanton barbarism will be acceptable prior to a nuclear war, you are projecting because there is no evidence that can support this viewpoint.

You are buddies with Simeon and 911 right? Ask them about if war Gaddaffi or Saddam was a payback or not. I am sure they will talk your ear off about it. I don't have the patience for it.

You cannot cite any examples, only your own personal predictions. I do not think you know enough to keep up on this subject. I'm not going to waste anymore time with you on this.

(03-06-2019 11:06 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  This post is so ridiculous I don't know where to start.

Illegals flooding the country hurt the middle class more than anything else. Tons of Hispanics, blacks, and whites have benefitted from Trump's threats to corporate America. Lowest unemployment in history. You talk about Tulsi, but has Trump dragged anyone into an unwanted war? No. Even Congress is fighting him to stay in Syria and other places.

Just because a Muslim has a hard on for Israel does not mean that if the country was ran by them, you would not be a kaffir. Ask the people in Libya about that.

If you hate Trump, just be honest like TigerMandingo would be and just fucking say it. Don't be dishonest about it.

(03-06-2019 11:28 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  Ilhan Omar voted against a bill to stop insurance death payments to convicted terrorists.

She also asked for leniency for guys that got caught trying to join ISIS.

Yeah, she is a real American first candidate because she hates Israel. Your hatred for Israel is no better than SJW's hatred for white men. It becomes borderline insane when you start propping up people like Omar.

Calm down, I was just being ironic in that post.

I don't support Ilhan Omar on any of her positions, other than the fact she named Israel. Pragmatism is necessary: instead wasting time talking about her anti-white positions and whatnot, everyone should instead take this opportunity to wake more people up to AIPAC, Israel lobby, etc.

I don't hate Trump, but it is obvious at this point that he has turned. Maybe they threatened his family or something. Trump is still good for delegitimizing the government and media, but I don't expect any actual policy changes.

(03-06-2019 03:05 PM)Prince Hubris Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 11:06 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  This post is so ridiculous I don't know where to start.

Illegals flooding the country hurt the middle class more than anything else. Tons of Hispanics, blacks, and whites have benefitted from Trump's threats to corporate America. Lowest unemployment in history. You talk about Tulsi, but has Trump dragged anyone into an unwanted war? No. Even Congress is fighting him to stay in Syria and other places.

Just because a Muslim has a hard on for Israel does not mean that if the country was ran by them, you would not be a kaffir. Ask the people in Libya about that.

If you hate Trump, just be honest like TigerMandingo would be and just fucking say it. Don't be dishonest about it.

(03-06-2019 11:28 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  Ilhan Omar voted against a bill to stop insurance death payments to convicted terrorists.

She also asked for leniency for guys that got caught trying to join ISIS.

Yeah, she is a real American first candidate because she hates Israel. Your hatred for Israel is no better than SJW's hatred for white men. It becomes borderline insane when you start propping up people like Omar.

Calm down, I was just being ironic in that post.

I don't support Ilhan Omar on any of her positions, other than the fact she named Israel. Pragmatism is necessary: instead wasting time talking about her anti-white positions and whatnot, everyone should instead take this opportunity to wake more people up to AIPAC, Israel lobby, etc.

I don't hate Trump, but it is obvious at this point that he has turned. Maybe they threatened his family or something. Trump is still good for delegitimizing the government and media, but I don't expect any actual policy changes.

You must be a riot at parties or when approaching chicks. You probably ask them shit like can I fuck your mom, all within 5 mins of saying hello.

No one got your autistic attempt at humor because nobody knows who the fuck you are.

Try easing into a group and let us know how you are first before using humor like that.

(03-06-2019 03:05 PM)Prince Hubris Wrote:  Calm down, I was just being ironic in that post.

Oh, you were trying really hard to be edgy/ironic and not autistic?

The government of Russia was incredibly barbarous to the Chechens after the Beslan school shootings. (One military historian I remember reading described it as "low-level genocide".)
It seems to have more or less solved their Chechen problem, and they've faced no significant international criticism.

Russia and China also faced no significant consequences for their actions during and post WW2. The Soviet Union went on from WW2 to become a hyperpower that lasted another half century, and its collapse had nothing to do with its barbarity towards its people and far more to do with the inherent issues in a communist government. That, and China's on track to take their place and has never faced any significant consequences for its actions.

Beyond that, Travelerkai's post seems to be conflating "expansionism", "totalitarianism", and "barbarity" in weird ways that make it kind of hard for me to follow what point he's trying to make.

That said, there's absolutely no need to raze Islam from the face of the Earth. Just... STOP LETTING THEM IN. Yeah, it's not super-nice, but it's certainly nicer than global genocide of over a billion people.

(03-06-2019 03:01 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  If you think wanton barbarism will be acceptable prior to a nuclear war, you are projecting because there is no evidence that can support this viewpoint.

There's all sorts of unimaginably wanton barbarism going on in Syria, Yemen, Mexico, Congo and a multitude of other places all over the world and no one seems to get bent out of shape over it, so... yes. Call me when someone decides to invade Saudi Arabia to fix it.

Quote:You are buddies with Simeon and 911 right? Ask them about if war Gaddaffi or Saddam was a payback or not. I am sure they will talk your ear off about it. I don't have the patience for it.

They're just fellow forum members same as you, but like I said above there's tons of payback waiting to be served all over the globe, yet somehow it mysteriously happens only to some.

Quote:I'm not going to waste anymore time with you on this.

Please don't.

SamuelBRoberts Wrote:That said, there's absolutely no need to raze Islam from the face of the Earth. Just... STOP LETTING THEM IN. Yeah, it's not super-nice, but it's certainly nicer than global genocide of over a billion people.

Hey, that's not civil!

(03-06-2019 02:02 PM)kaotic Wrote:  (snip)
Dude just ignore him, most the time he's just low level passive aggressive trolling, stirring the pot in the thread, and rarely does he make a point.

It's not worth getting in a fight, suspended, or banned over it.

Recently the Politics forum has devolved into passive aggressive trolling, flaming, and insults.

Eventually this gets tiresome to the adults and they wander. Not worth investing the time to write thoughtful responses if it just means a lame ad-hominem by some asswipe. Sure a certain level of conflict is fine with men, but when it devolves into asswipe-ishness then anybody who values their time just leaves. Then the asswipes can celebrate their "victory" and enjoy sniffing each other's butts uninterrupted.

Easy to destroy an forum with baby shit. Happens all the time.

Delete

Well, this thread is really kicking off. Goddamn.

Everybody's in a bad mood since "Wait and see" is no longer really a tenable argument after Trump failed during the shutdown.
So we're reduced to "Well, Trump may be useless, but he's better than Hillary!" or "What does it matter, the national debt will collapse the government in a few years anyway!" which aren't exactly inspiring.

(03-06-2019 03:01 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 02:53 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 02:17 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  Just because barbarism still exists on planet Earth does not mean that using it works or that it is a valid means to deal with any emerging threats.

Agreed, but are so far gone in the other extreme that no one should be surprised when barbarism starts seeming like an appealing solution and eventually returns. It doesn't care whether you think it's valid or not.

Quote:If anything anyone doing these things get toppled sooner or later as payback. Ghaddafi, Saddam, etc. Kony, Mugabe, etc. etc.

It is quite a stretch to say that Ghadaffi and Saddam were toppled as "payback". They were toppled because a bigger, stronger barbarian decided to topple them for fun and profit. And do we even need to mention other regimes all over the world that are doing all the same things as Ghadaffi and and Saddam, yet miraculously no one minds or thinks about toppling them? *cough* Saudi *cough*

Quote:There is no "opportunity" for barbarism. All men are inherently evil, born of sin, and worst than animals. The only thing that keeps us morally on track is Law and Justice. Remove the laws and men will revert to his "natural state" as Thomas Hobbes wrote about.

100% agree, but sadly we're currently experiencing a massive shortage of Law and Justice. Even as we speak, Law and Justice are their deathbed because their keepers have abandoned them. Either they will be renewed or barbarism will soon take their place. And it won't ask for anyone's permission.

Quote:You make no sense. We have been on the right side of history and continue to win because we stuck to law, order, and civility instead of going backwards into caveman governance.

Firstly, there's no such thing as the "right side of history". There are only winners and losers. Our winning streak is but a blip in history and unless we get serious fast, history won't give a damn whether we stuck to this or that.

Secondly, as I said above, we are rapidly losing our grip on law and order. The days of caveman governance are already upon us, even if the cavemen are currently wearing suits.

Quote:If you think different, cite an example.

Most of the western world will be extinct in a few decades. That will be a real triumph for civility, eh?

You are right validity is based upon the inhabitants of the Earth, not me or you. They step in when they do not like something. Human beings are social creatures. Nosy to the max. If you think wanton barbarism will be acceptable prior to a nuclear war, you are projecting because there is no evidence that can support this viewpoint.

You are buddies with Simeon and 911 right? Ask them about if war Gaddaffi or Saddam was a payback or not. I am sure they will talk your ear off about it. I don't have the patience for it.

You cannot cite any examples, only your own personal predictions. I do not think you know enough to keep up on this subject. I'm not going to waste anymore time with you on this.

I am with Travelerkai on this one. Barbarism for barbarism sake is counterproductive. Of course the wars in the Middle East were all bullshit.

As for Muslims - the US founding fathers and the presidents had made up a simple rule of not letting in Muslims over the polygamy pretext. They knew that Islam and Western civilization are not compatible. You don't owe someone to let him in and come into your fold. That is the right of every ingroup to decide who is allowed to enter.

As for long-term assessments of the US - it's still doomed, but most people would not even know where to point the barbarism at. Even I with Superman/Dr.Manhattan like powers would not go into a full-on war extermination war with the globalists. Just tell them that they are no longer in charge and as long as they leave you alone, then they can live and prosper.