Well if we lose the nation to the crazy left we can always go to Canada.

If Trump doesn't win this race, there will never be another like him. The GOP establishment is seething at his supporters and will forever abandon them in favor of the irreversible demographic shift.

After this abandonment there will most certainly be a third party.

My earlier post was harsh in language (and not how I really feel, mods feel free to take out the inflammatory part) because I'm frustrated at how hard it is to get by these days. I'd like to amend it and say illegal immigration is only one part of the problem, the trade deals are probably the bigger job killer. Trump looks to attack both issues, and for that I from the bottom of my heart hope he wins the race.

@godfather, Even if trade deals were off limits, the illegal invaders are enough to disenfranchise us both politically and economically. I feel your frustration man. We have to win on this issue now and to do so we need to appeal to normal common sense people. I think Trump is doing it.

It's funny my neighbor, who is Hispanic and a terrific lady, came and asked me what I thought of Trump the other day. She is frustrated with illegals too because they want to change the church that she goes to from English to Spanish and the church is pandering to them. She doesn't like it and she even speaks fluent Spanish. In fact a lot of established Hispanics don't get along necessarily well with illegals, although they see their political influence rise as an identity group. Her family I know voted for Obama, however, there will be some Hispanics who will vote with Trump if they are frustrated with illegals like she is. Don't get me wrong, it is proven that the Latino vote will be Democrat, however, I see a minority voting Trump on economic grounds along with quite a few Democrats. We need to court those people. Edit: That means being firm by saying the illegals have to go, citing the economic and other benefits, and not using incendiary language. Hell, I didn't think what you said was that bad (it was used as a figure of speech) - we just need to not scare moderates away from our side. Most people want our immigration laws enforced.

My mom just relayed a story to me that her friend told her that a friend of hers is enthusiastically all in for Trump.

(08-18-2015 04:48 PM)mrbiggs Wrote:  If Trump doesn't win this race, there will never be another like him. The GOP establishment is seething at his supporters and will forever abandon them in favor of the irreversible demographic shift.

After this abandonment there will most certainly be a third party.

That third party would somehow have to break the duopoly that is the Republican and Democrat Parties. As much as those two ostensibly can't stand each other, they would come together to squash any up-and-coming third parties.

(08-18-2015 05:15 PM)durangotang Wrote:  It's funny my neighbor, who is Hispanic and a terrific lady, came and asked me what I thought of Trump the other day. She is frustrated with illegals too because they want to change the church that she goes to from English to Spanish and the church is pandering to them. She doesn't like it and she even speaks fluent Spanish. In fact a lot of established Hispanics don't get along necessarily well with illegals, although they see their political influence rise as an identity group. Her family I know voted for Obama, however, there will be some Hispanics who will vote with Trump if they are frustrated with illegals like she is. Don't get me wrong, it is proven that the Latino vote will be Democrat, however, I see a minority voting Trump on economic grounds along with quite a few Democrats. We need to court those people. Edit: That means being firm by saying the illegals have to go, citing the economic and other benefits, and not using incendiary language. Hell, I didn't think what you said was that bad (it was used as a figure of speech) - we just need to not scare moderates away from our side. Most people want our immigration laws enforced.

I have long theorized that with all the legal immigration going on in the US, apparently about 1 million a year for the last few years, there must be a significant fraction of them who also have strongly negative feelings about illegal immigration. The legal immigrants jumped through the administrative and other legal hoops to legally become entitled to live in the US. The illegal immigrants have not done the same thing and are now reaping the same benefits without a similar effort.

That's bound to build up some resentment, even amongst people of the same identity block.

You haven't heard much from these people yet. Perhaps they are fearful about reprisals in their own community. Perhaps also the MSM is apt to ignore them. But if I were on the Republican side (and Trump in particular) I would be seeking these people out to get their voices heard.

I wouldn't underestimate the effect of the narrative of "I love this country so much I actually obeyed the law and am now here legally!"

Just on Anderson Cooper (don't watch it, friend was watching it) 60% favorability rating for Trump among Republican women, highest of any of the male candidates (didn't say whether it's higher than that Fiorna bitch, don't know.)

(08-18-2015 07:51 PM)kleyau Wrote:  

Whoever has the sharpest wit and the best argument should be his Press Secretary once in office.

(08-18-2015 06:57 PM)DannyAlberta Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 05:15 PM)durangotang Wrote:  It's funny my neighbor, who is Hispanic and a terrific lady, came and asked me what I thought of Trump the other day. She is frustrated with illegals too because they want to change the church that she goes to from English to Spanish and the church is pandering to them. She doesn't like it and she even speaks fluent Spanish. In fact a lot of established Hispanics don't get along necessarily well with illegals, although they see their political influence rise as an identity group. Her family I know voted for Obama, however, there will be some Hispanics who will vote with Trump if they are frustrated with illegals like she is. Don't get me wrong, it is proven that the Latino vote will be Democrat, however, I see a minority voting Trump on economic grounds along with quite a few Democrats. We need to court those people. Edit: That means being firm by saying the illegals have to go, citing the economic and other benefits, and not using incendiary language. Hell, I didn't think what you said was that bad (it was used as a figure of speech) - we just need to not scare moderates away from our side. Most people want our immigration laws enforced.

I have long theorized that with all the legal immigration going on in the US, apparently about 1 million a year for the last few years, there must be a significant fraction of them who also have strongly negative feelings about illegal immigration. The legal immigrants jumped through the administrative and other legal hoops to legally become entitled to live in the US. The illegal immigrants have not done the same thing and are now reaping the same benefits without a similar effort.

That's bound to build up some resentment, even amongst people of the same identity block.

You haven't heard much from these people yet. Perhaps they are fearful about reprisals in their own community. Perhaps also the MSM is apt to ignore them. But if I were on the Republican side (and Trump in particular) I would be seeking these people out to get their voices heard.

I wouldn't underestimate the effect of the narrative of "I love this country so much I actually obeyed the law and am now here legally!"

You'll be surprised that there are actually quite a few Hispanic Americans who are against illegal immigration and vote Republican. Contrary to popular belief but Hispanics are less likely to bloc vote than even African Americans. You're more likely to get 50% of the Hispanic vote than get 30% of the Black vote. Bush got 44% of it in 2004 and Ted Cruz senator with 42% of Latinos voting for him. It seems Latinos like Republican candidates from Texas.

There is a chunk of the Latino community that is against illegal immigration. When Mitt Romney in 2012 talked to a group of Hispanics at Univision. News anchor Jorge Ramos was booed when he asked Romney about why he believed Dreamers should deport.

Cesar Chavez, the great Hispanic civil rights leader, famously referred to illegal immigrants as greasers and wetbacks. Many people even in the Hispanic community seem to forget that Cesar Chavez was very anti-immigration.

Erik Estrada and Gloria Estefan campaigned for John McCain in 2008.

To my surprise even, when Donald Trump went down to Laredo, Texas there were many Latinos on his side and people who agreed with him.

(08-18-2015 04:00 PM)Socrates Wrote:  Right in the post you quoted.

Thought he was talking about Trump.

Not only do I feel Trump will do well with the Hispanic vote, he should do better with blacks than Rep's have traditionally. As an example, even Romney got 20% of the younger black vote due to his position on illegal immigration (against a Black incumbent president). Trump should do better as he is even stronger on the immigration problem.

Also, I can see Trump picking up a lot of union members due to his position on trade. A large number of union members are vehemently against free trade and the weakening of domestic manufacturing that comes with it. Trump is the only candidate I have heard explicitly say he will rework trade deals and not allow foreign nations to siphon off our wealth.

He's reminding me more and more of Reagan, that many also wrote off as just an actor, who went on to get large numbers of minority votes and was actually endorsed by the Teamsters Union.

Frankly, the most important voting block for Trump are whites. Getting them in the voting booth. Minorities would be cake, however if he pulls them like Reagan it would be another landslide victory.

I can see Trump not only holding onto Texas, but also taking Nevada, Michigan, Maine, Florida, and Ohio. The chances are high he's going to win unless he fucks it up somehow. Right now Trump needs to run FAG game (Fuck Up Avoidance).

If Trump can seal the border, bring back jobs, and balance USA's budget we can avoid a bankruptcy/hyperinflation and Civil War II.

The word that is missing from the discussion is ASSIMILATION

Something that left our immigration policy around the 1st clinton term and is the basis of the melting pot.

Lots of people come here looking for a better future and want to become Americans, its a very hard and arduous journey.
The 10-12k in fees ICE takes to get a green card is just the cherry on the top.

Any path to citizenship needs to include assimilation into our great Culture. It is the whole basis of America.

They don't like these third world shits sipping on the froth of civilization and shitting in return. The fact that there is bilingual anything
in the States is an insult.

Its disgusting how no one has called out the patronizing language used to describe immigrants.

Not everyone is a illiterate mestizo who is supposed to do backbreaking labor for some cunty wasp. The political class in this
country is preaching for outright indentured servitude and a class system, hence the 'well they have it in europe' bullshit we hear so much.

Relevant

Curious Wall Street Opinion:

http://info.madhedgefundtrader.com/donal...dwdonald00

The Stock Option Double on Donald Trump’s Run

I do not agree with the author regarding Mr. Trump's true intentions but find I have to respect the cold calculating analysis presented. I believe Mr. Trump is sincere if for no other reason his ego would love to get even with all of the RINOs selling the USA down the river and calling him a clown when in fact he is a Patriot.

There are not too many things I would stake my life on in this declining Obamunist Marxist Feminist SJW world.

I would stake my life on the fact that Mr. Trump is NO traitor - just the opposite from Obama.

I will still vote for Mr. Trump on the Strong Chance that he really does want to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN for his kids' kids' kids' and beyond.

I need some more news from The Donald.

Southpark did an episode on illegal immigration awhile back.

It's a LOT funnier now:

http://southpark.cc.com/full-episodes/s0...rt=airdate

Finally a BLR video of the debate.

(08-19-2015 02:52 AM)Fisto Wrote:  I need some more news from The Donald.

Here you go:

Twitter:
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

My H-1B reform plan will transform program so it delivers for country, not lobbyists, & will have bipartisan support: bit.ly/1gRSmEg

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/stunning-p...23125.html

Stunning new poll shows Donald Trump in surprisingly good position against Hillary Clinton

It's not clear what is specifically driving Trump's recent improvement against Clinton, though she has been battered by a slew of negative headlines in recent months, especially regarding her email use at the State Department. Trump, apparently buoyed by various controversies, has also had a near monopoly of presidential media coverage.

But the CNN poll does show where Trump is drawing much of his support: white men. The survey found that Trump led Clinton among white voters by 55% to 41%, and among men by 53% to 42%. In contrast, Clinton was ahead among women by 60% to 37% while dominating among nonwhite voters by 71% to 24%.

Trump also did a bit better among voters who didn't go to college (he led 48% to 47%) and those who make $50,000 or more (he trailed 49% to 48%).

The other GOP presidential candidates didn't fare much better than Trump against Clinton, either. The poll found that Clinton led former Gov. Jeb Bush of Florida by 9 points and Gov. Scott Walker of Wisconsin by 6 points, similar to her margin against Trump.

^I myself am not counting on a Clinton Democratic nomination any more.

They should be seeing how Trump stacks up against Socialism-Sanders.

EDIT: some food for thought http://www.breitbart.com/news/thinking-the-unthinkable/

(08-19-2015 11:57 AM)Deepdiver Wrote:  http://finance.yahoo.com/news/stunning-p...23125.html

Stunning new poll shows Donald Trump in surprisingly good position against Hillary Clinton

It's not clear what is specifically driving Trump's recent improvement against Clinton,

These media people are so dumb.

If you're ever on twitter and interact with anyone in the media about Trump, they basically block you immediately.

I have been part of many interactions like this:

Media Person: Trump supporters are stupid, who could possibly support this guy!
Me: We need to build a wall and kick out illegals, they are poor and take jobs from Americans.
Media Person: This is racist and you proved my point, you are dumb. *Blocked*

Later...

Media Person: It's not clear why Trump is gaining support.

(08-18-2015 04:31 PM)Dusty Wrote:  Well if we lose the nation to the crazy left we can always go to Canada.

Actually, and deeply ironically, you should probably go to Mexico. At least if you have a decent amount of money. I'm sure you could end up paying less tax (either due to lower tax rates or tax evasion) and have a better lifestyle than as a tax-drone paying for a permanent American underclass. Do you think that the Mexican Upper Middle Class and above financially support their underclass? Hahahahahahah.

Would be quite funny to see. Americans making use of the T1 visa to set themselves up in Mexico.

PS: Weather is much better than most of the US. Nice beaches all over the place.