(08-18-2015 01:16 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  This do or die American Republican primary is going to create an interesting aftermath if the Republicans lose the election in 2016.

Frankly, if Trump doesn't become the president then the Republican party is toast anyway. Without deporting illegals it is a demographic certainty - 100%. No other candidate has the guts to stand up to lobbyists or the political establishment and get the job done once elected (if it's even possible to ratify an amendment getting rid of birth right citizenship). The party will still remain of course, but it will either have to adopt Democrat positions on everything or become increasingly irrelevant - kind of like it is today in California. Most likely both would occur. At that point, America will basically no longer exist to serve the people whom created it and you can kiss Anglo-Saxon principles goodbye. So much for "democracy" or "self determination" as this change will occur against the will of the historical nation.

After Reagan gave amnesty in in the 1980's it had a positive feedback effect and illegals poured into the country in ever greater numbers because they knew they too would get amnesty in time. The precedent was set. He gave amnesty to approximately 3.2 million. Today, the figure that is constantly cited is 11 million illegal immigrants. That figure has been used officially by progressives for a decade. I don't buy it. I'd say the number is at least twice that - possibly more. If they are granted amnesty, the legal chain of migration will continue for their relatives and illegal immigration will only increase if the border is not secured. There would be no end in sight, and this isn't conjecture but based upon the historical experience of the last 30 years.

(08-18-2015 11:37 AM)Sonsowey Wrote:  People are shitting their pants that you might have to pay menial laborers the minimum wage.

Liberals should be all about this.

If everyone in construction and food service suddenly was making a real working wage, that would help reduce poverty in our country.

Yet they're more concerned with maintaining a quasi-slave class of illegals for business owners to exploit than actually helping poor citizens be able to work.

Amazing. I never thought about that. All of these "raise the minimum wage" protestors seem to fail to realize that labor laws don't apply to illegals and raising the minimum wage won't help illegal dishwashers, fruit pickers, landscapers and roof nailers.

Americans will see over night that maybe illegal labor was so bad after all. I've made the mistake of going to Walmart on the first of the month and I wouldn't want anyone there cooking my food or building my house, nor do they want to.

Yeah the fact they're illegal is their primary selling point. Employers are far less burdened than with a legal workers and all the laws and regulations there attached.

A bit off topic, but one of the biggest pro-illegal immigration cucks out there is Anthony Bourdain, the chef and travel writer who doesn't like hiring white kids because they're "lazy".

If Trump is elected, I hope he strips this traitor of his citizenship and deports his ass to Mexico to work at a taco stand.

(08-18-2015 01:38 PM)godfather dust Wrote:  I need to chime in as someone competing with illegals. I work temp labor doing everything from menial to brutal labor from 9-12 dollars an hour. This weekend I spent 27 hours throwing rugs around for a grand total of 210 dollars after Massachusetts taxes. Fuck illegals, throw them the fuck out, kill em if it's easier for all I care, I'm tired of my great work ethic bringing nothing but slavery.

Canada is a good contrast to this yet again. With a mainly legal pool of laborer there are alot of dudes that get by in life as landscapers, construction flaggers, welders helpers etc. On top of there are many guys that live well as trades workers doing plumbing, roofing, general contracting etc.

Mind you godfather, temp labor jobs in Canada pay about what you are saying.

(08-18-2015 01:38 PM)godfather dust Wrote:  I need to chime in as someone competing with illegals. I work temp labor doing everything from menial to brutal labor from 9-12 dollars an hour. This weekend I spent 27 hours throwing rugs around for a grand total of 210 dollars after Massachusetts taxes. Fuck illegals, throw them the fuck out, kill em if it's easier for all I care, I'm tired of my great work ethic bringing nothing but slavery.

Goddamn what is this place turning into? Stormfront?

(08-18-2015 02:58 PM)BCien Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 01:38 PM)godfather dust Wrote:  I need to chime in as someone competing with illegals. I work temp labor doing everything from menial to brutal labor from 9-12 dollars an hour. This weekend I spent 27 hours throwing rugs around for a grand total of 210 dollars after Massachusetts taxes. Fuck illegals, throw them the fuck out, kill em if it's easier for all I care, I'm tired of my great work ethic bringing nothing but slavery.

Goddamn what is this place turning into? Stormfront?

What are you turning into, an SJW? Nothing he said was racial, just the opinion of someone frustrated that illegal labor is cutting into his earnings. Go be PC police somewhere else.

(08-18-2015 02:58 PM)BCien Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 01:38 PM)godfather dust Wrote:  I need to chime in as someone competing with illegals. I work temp labor doing everything from menial to brutal labor from 9-12 dollars an hour. This weekend I spent 27 hours throwing rugs around for a grand total of 210 dollars after Massachusetts taxes. Fuck illegals, throw them the fuck out, kill em if it's easier for all I care, I'm tired of my great work ethic bringing nothing but slavery.

Goddamn what is this place turning into? Stormfront?

Agreed.

Despite my dislike for what has happened, and my desire to end illegal immigration, these are mostly hard working family oriented Christian people. In fact most people here would get along just fine with the vast majority of illegals. We have our fundamental differences and make no mistake they have to go home, but the large majority are just people trying to do the best for their families. They work hard. They are good people. We don't need to reference killing them - even if it is just a figure of speech. In fact, we lose the argument right there with most people.

(08-18-2015 03:05 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 02:58 PM)BCien Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 01:38 PM)godfather dust Wrote:  I need to chime in as someone competing with illegals. I work temp labor doing everything from menial to brutal labor from 9-12 dollars an hour. This weekend I spent 27 hours throwing rugs around for a grand total of 210 dollars after Massachusetts taxes. Fuck illegals, throw them the fuck out, kill em if it's easier for all I care, I'm tired of my great work ethic bringing nothing but slavery.

Goddamn what is this place turning into? Stormfront?

What are you turning into, an SJW? Nothing he said was racial, just the opinion of someone frustrated that illegal labor is cutting into his earnings. Go be PC police somewhere else.

Naw homie, I aint PC, but didnt he post about killing them?
by the way
true players dont hate, we play the game even if it looks like were losing.

(08-18-2015 03:11 PM)durangotang Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 02:58 PM)BCien Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 01:38 PM)godfather dust Wrote:  I need to chime in as someone competing with illegals. I work temp labor doing everything from menial to brutal labor from 9-12 dollars an hour. This weekend I spent 27 hours throwing rugs around for a grand total of 210 dollars after Massachusetts taxes. Fuck illegals, throw them the fuck out, kill em if it's easier for all I care, I'm tired of my great work ethic bringing nothing but slavery.

Goddamn what is this place turning into? Stormfront?

Agreed.

Despite my dislike for what has happened, and my desire to end illegal immigration, these are mostly hard working family oriented Christian people. In fact most people here would get along just fine with the vast majority of illegals. We have our fundamental differences and make no mistake they have to go home, but the large majority are just people trying to do the best for their families. They work hard. They are good people.

That may be, but we can't really discuss that in greater detail without eventually running afoul of the rules of the forum so let's not.

However, this is America. It should serve Americans first. Try to put yourself in a low income American's shoes who's getting screwed at both ends: by greedy people who hire illegals and illegals themselves.

Frustration is understandable. Trying to silence and shame people with accusations or implications of racism is PC nonsense and a dirty tactic.

(08-18-2015 02:26 PM)Phoenix Wrote:  Yeah the fact they're illegal is their primary selling point. Employers are far less burdened than with a legal workers and all the laws and regulations there attached.

I am surprised to hear that, although it is not unreasonable. Can you point out some specific examples of this happening?

I heard the illegals would vote 8 to 1 democrat. If we granted them amnesty as many people want including Obama , it would mean a huge leftward shift and, this is key, approximately half of the current citizens in this country would be politically marginalized forever. We would eventually see the erosion of the Bill of Rights (hate speech laws, gun confiscation) and half of the current legal citizens would have no say, because of these currently illegals from foreign countries replacing USA values with their own ( 3rd world shithole values).

This would not end well.

Edit: it would effectively be an invasion and a take over. Do you think the marginalized population will just roll over a take the defeat? Mind you, the marginalized population consists largely of gun owners. Mind you, the marganilized population is overrepresented in the military and in law enforcement. Are they going to be on the side of the sotomoyers and Nancy Pelosis and transgender rights and locking men up for street harrassment and demonizing police and kangaroo courts and speech laws and trigger warnings. Etc? Is it going to be a country they think is worth saving?

Hopefully the Donald or someone with his policies can save us from this scenario.

I'm at a restaurant that has Fox on. They just interviewed a major Jeb Bush donor who looks totally demoralized and can't come up with a coherent sentence. The anchor described Jeb as "milquetoast" and the donor did a bunch of weak rationalizing about why losing so badly in the polls is not a problem. It was both entertainment and a hit on Jeb Bush.

Now they're talking about Ben Carson and again taking the opportunity to bash establishment politicians.

(08-18-2015 03:16 PM)storm Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 02:26 PM)Phoenix Wrote:  Yeah the fact they're illegal is their primary selling point. Employers are far less burdened than with a legal workers and all the laws and regulations there attached.

I am surprised to hear that, although it is not unreasonable. Can you point out some specific examples of this happening?

Sure. Off the top of my head, a legal sub-contractor in the construction business has to be bonded, pay insurance, pay payroll taxes and can be sued by their legal employees. Most of that goes out the window with an illegal worker - in addition to paying lower wages.

(08-18-2015 03:17 PM)Dusty Wrote:  I heard the illegals would vote 8 to 1 democrat. If we granted them amnesty as many people want including Obama , it would mean a huge leftward shift and, this is key, approximately half of the current citizens in this country would be politically marginalized forever. We would eventually see the erosion of the Bill of Rights (hate speech laws, gun confiscation) and half of the current legal citizens would have no say, because of these currently illegals from foreign countries replacing USA values with their own ( 3rd world shithole values).

This would not end well.

Edit: it would effectively be an invasion and a take over. Do you think the marginalized population will just roll over a take the defeat? Mind you, the marginalized population consists largely of gun owners. Mind you, the marganilized population is overrepresented in the military and in law enforcement. Are they going to be on the side of the sotomoyers and Nancy Pelosis and transgender rights and locking men up for street harrassment and demonizing police and kangaroo courts and speech laws and trigger warnings. Etc? Is it going to be a country they think is worth saving?

Hopefully the Donald or someone with his policies can save us from this scenario.

Here's the main thing I always wonder: why is it wrong for only Western nations to control their borders and immigration? I think the left says that this is morally wrong because they want to legalize these people for votes to grow the state and the cuckservative-libertarians want open borders for cheap labor. In fact, this is more important to the cuckservative GOP establishment elite than anything else, including all the social issues they claim to care about. They are a controlled opposition and Donald Trump has revealed this.

Now I'm not an alarmist but I do think if we don't get this under control politically now then this country could very well break up into a bunch of different nations. We are in the process of becoming Balkanized. It has to be stopped politically before it's too late. This may be our last chance to do it.

(08-18-2015 11:39 AM)MidWest Wrote:  I just think Americans are finally realizing how valuable this type of work really is. Service type work has always been underrated and under-appreciated in America dating back to even the slavery days. Someone had to do this back-breaking work.

We all know the story of the African slaves who picked cotton for over 400 years or the sharecropping era after reconstruction. The Great Migration of African Americans to the north who did these types of jobs. The Bracero programs during the 30s and 40s. Farm type work has always been done exclusively by Mexicans for over 80 years. This shit had to get done one way or another. This type of work has always been done by the lowest of the lowest in the socioeconomic ladder. Hell you can argue that the creation of the Welfare state after the civil rights movement really fucked African Americans over which gave the green light for more illegal immigrants to come in.

People are trying to end a habit that is very hard to reverse. Cheap labor is drug for employers and business owners. Its a habit that has been with Americans since the creation of the country and to automatically tell them to stop doing it will seem like radical change to them.

Don't forget the White slaves of Ireland and Scotland.

G

(08-18-2015 03:12 PM)BCien Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 03:05 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 02:58 PM)BCien Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 01:38 PM)godfather dust Wrote:  I need to chime in as someone competing with illegals. I work temp labor doing everything from menial to brutal labor from 9-12 dollars an hour. This weekend I spent 27 hours throwing rugs around for a grand total of 210 dollars after Massachusetts taxes. Fuck illegals, throw them the fuck out, kill em if it's easier for all I care, I'm tired of my great work ethic bringing nothing but slavery.

Goddamn what is this place turning into? Stormfront?

What are you turning into, an SJW? Nothing he said was racial, just the opinion of someone frustrated that illegal labor is cutting into his earnings. Go be PC police somewhere else.

Naw homie, I aint PC, but didnt he post about killing them?
by the way
true players dont hate, we play the game even if it looks like were losing.

I have not seen where he said anything about killing them.... can you link to that?

@Dusty, originally these people were referred to as "illegal aliens," then "illegal immigrants," then "undocumented immigrants," and now the left has tried to re-frame them as "undocumented workers." Whoever controls terminology gets to impose ideology. Trump has done us a favor by anchoring the phrase back to "illegal immigration." He's a clever man. Above you mentioned that they are an invasion force and I agree. In fact I first heard Israel referring to their "illegal immigration" as "illegal invaders." I always thought we would do well to emulate that because they are attempting to disposes us as a coalition force of the left and impose their will.

A quick note about ending birthright citizenship..... This could easily just be him over bargaining. He may know that this would be tough to accomplish but it could help him accomplish some the more important ideas in his plan. Think of it like when you go to sell your car or home you usually ask a little bit more than what you plan to get.

(08-18-2015 03:51 PM)Jaydublin Wrote:  A quick note about ending birthright citizenship..... This could easily just be him over bargaining. He may know that this would be tough to accomplish but it could help him accomplish some the more important ideas in his plan. Think of it like when you go to sell your car or home you usually ask a little bit more than what you plan to get.

I have thought about that. I think he should go further and remove birthright citizenship retroactively - but you can only be so honest with your policy proposals as you have to get elected in the first place. I think Trump understands this pretty well - which is why he likes playing to emotional appeals and not over promising on policy proposals. Most of the proposal details will get negotiated into something else in the legislative process anyway and he is very honest about that. Hopefully he doesn't compromise on the immigration issue.

(08-18-2015 03:46 PM)Jaydublin Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 03:12 PM)BCien Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 03:05 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 02:58 PM)BCien Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 01:38 PM)godfather dust Wrote:  I need to chime in as someone competing with illegals. I work temp labor doing everything from menial to brutal labor from 9-12 dollars an hour. This weekend I spent 27 hours throwing rugs around for a grand total of 210 dollars after Massachusetts taxes. Fuck illegals, throw them the fuck out, kill em if it's easier for all I care , I'm tired of my great work ethic bringing nothing but slavery.

Goddamn what is this place turning into? Stormfront?

What are you turning into, an SJW? Nothing he said was racial, just the opinion of someone frustrated that illegal labor is cutting into his earnings. Go be PC police somewhere else.

Naw homie, I aint PC, but didnt he post about killing them?
by the way
true players dont hate, we play the game even if it looks like were losing.

I have not seen where he said anything about killing them.... can you link to that?

Right in the post you quoted.

(08-18-2015 03:17 PM)Dusty Wrote:  I heard the illegals would vote 8 to 1 democrat. If we granted them amnesty as many people want including Obama , it would mean a huge leftward shift and, this is key, approximately half of the current citizens in this country would be politically marginalized forever.

Texas would become purple, at least. Let's put it that way.

Electoral College map of the United States (each number is the number of votes the state may cast):



If Texas goes Democrat, then Republicans have lost their party.

A quick Google search showed those who identify as Latino being 38.4% of Texas' population, with 40% white and 12.4% black or African American, and 4.3% Asian, with Hispanics compromising majority of those in public schools. [link]

And if anyone thinks that is impossible, just think Houston has elected a lesbian mayor three times since 2010. Let that sink in.


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(08-18-2015 04:00 PM)Socrates Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 03:46 PM)Jaydublin Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 03:12 PM)BCien Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 03:05 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 02:58 PM)BCien Wrote:  Goddamn what is this place turning into? Stormfront?

What are you turning into, an SJW? Nothing he said was racial, just the opinion of someone frustrated that illegal labor is cutting into his earnings. Go be PC police somewhere else.

Naw homie, I aint PC, but didnt he post about killing them?
by the way
true players dont hate, we play the game even if it looks like were losing.

I have not seen where he said anything about killing them.... can you link to that?

Right in the post you quoted.

No what he said, is that he wants them gone and doesn't give a shit what happens to them.

There's a difference between saying "we should kill them" and "kill them for all I care".

The fact your reading comprehension sucks suggests to me that you've been going to school with illegals on our dime.