Post: #5326

(04-09-2017 01:50 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(04-09-2017 01:39 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  I mean she is still texting and seems heavily interested but I am going to put her on ice till the end of month until I am back in the area for business and give it another crack.

So i survived to fight again another day. I didnt get the smash the same day but I am still in the game.

The other girl is a complete goner. She is still watching my snaps on Snapchat but whatever.

If this chick is basically a no-go, this is a chance for you to up your text game.

Discover for yourself if it's possible to seduce the chick via text over the long haul.

Rather than try and meet up a second time and have it fail because you can't control the flow of the date.

Proper game means you either bang or you learn.

WIA

Good point Archie.. I could run some text game in the meantime so that when I get there shes is possibly ready to go and I got a solid game plan.

However, I noticed I have lost alot of interest her as time goes on. Something about the date just left a bad taste in my mouth and she not all THAT hot to be putting in all this work. Its just too much for what she is.

I already have another girl in Antwerp interested in me (from my last pipeline) and wanting a date and she just happened to be away that weekend. So my brain is like why bother with an old target when I can get a clean slate with a new and possibly hotter one. In addition to that I haven't even pipelined my next trip yet.

Post: #5327

(04-09-2017 01:50 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(04-09-2017 01:39 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  I mean she is still texting and seems heavily interested but I am going to put her on ice till the end of month until I am back in the area for business and give it another crack.

So i survived to fight again another day. I didnt get the smash the same day but I am still in the game.

The other girl is a complete goner. She is still watching my snaps on Snapchat but whatever.

If this chick is basically a no-go, this is a chance for you to up your text game.

Discover for yourself if it's possible to seduce the chick via text over the long haul.

Rather than try and meet up a second time and have it fail because you can't control the flow of the date.

Proper game means you either bang or you learn.

WIA

This right here. I have been doing a lot of learning lately, but it's good for me in the end.

My most recent lesson was disheartening. Through Tinder I matched with a girl from Georgia (the country) and we seemed to be hitting it off. However, when she didn't reply to an invitation I went ahead and booked another girl for that date. The Georgian girl late as hell tried to ask me where I was taking her, so I told her nowhere since I already made plans. She asked if it was a Tinder date and I said yes, since I'm not one to lie often. She was not happy with my reply... But I can understand, she is very attractive and actually has a good job and surprisingly a good personality for someone that looks as good as she does. I imagine she is probably used to other guys putting her on a pedestal.

I am not one to dwell on the past or have regrets, but I felt I could have handled that situation better. I have to remember to use 'misdirection' and 'half-truths' when dealing with dates. I also made the mistake of suggesting that we at least be friends. Damn, why am I still making rookie mistakes...

Oh well, charge it to the game... At the very least, she is still following me on Instagram so I could slow cook this and see if it works itself out eventually.

Post: #5328

KD - I think what WIA is saying is you should practice on this chick precisely for the reason you don't think she's worth it anymore.

It's not for her benefit, but rather yours. The fact you don't care if you smash or not is why she's perfect for practice.

I run some of my best game when I'm out and talking to chicks that are slightly lower than my standards. They can sense that idgaf and it turns them on. I've been working on being able to run that level of game on the chicks I'm actually interested in. It would be nearly impossible to do if I wasn't specifically practicing on chicks I know I have no intention of going further with.

Yareally recommends online game purely for practice even if you have no intention of ever meeting up. Pushing for nudes, trying outrageous shit, etc. Basically learning social calibration with minimal effort.

Post: #5329

*pours out some Wray and Nephew for YaReally*

Not sure why the red pill dudes are so anti game

WIA

Post: #5330

(04-09-2017 03:43 PM)Fury Wrote:  

(04-09-2017 01:50 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(04-09-2017 01:39 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  I mean she is still texting and seems heavily interested but I am going to put her on ice till the end of month until I am back in the area for business and give it another crack.

So i survived to fight again another day. I didnt get the smash the same day but I am still in the game.

The other girl is a complete goner. She is still watching my snaps on Snapchat but whatever.

If this chick is basically a no-go, this is a chance for you to up your text game.

Discover for yourself if it's possible to seduce the chick via text over the long haul.

Rather than try and meet up a second time and have it fail because you can't control the flow of the date.

Proper game means you either bang or you learn.

WIA

This right here. I have been doing a lot of learning lately, but it's good for me in the end.

My most recent lesson was disheartening. Through Tinder I matched with a girl from Georgia (the country) and we seemed to be hitting it off. However, when she didn't reply to an invitation I went ahead and booked another girl for that date. The Georgian girl late as hell tried to ask me where I was taking her, so I told her nowhere since I already made plans. She asked if it was a Tinder date and I said yes, since I'm not one to lie often. She was not happy with my reply... But I can understand, she is very attractive and actually has a good job and surprisingly a good personality for someone that looks as good as she does. I imagine she is probably used to other guys putting her on a pedestal.

I am not one to dwell on the past or have regrets, but I felt I could have handled that situation better. I have to remember to use 'misdirection' and 'half-truths' when dealing with dates. I also made the mistake of suggesting that we at least be friends. Damn, why am I still making rookie mistakes...

Oh well, charge it to the game... At the very least, she is still following me on Instagram so I could slow cook this and see if it works itself out eventually.

Yeah I would have just lied to her and rescheduled her for another date. Not sure why you came clean on that one.

Tricky - You do make a good point. I should use her as a lab rat and see what the hell I can get away with here since I don't give a shit anymore haha.

Post: #5331

Consign on the Snapchat ammo. Most, if not all the chicks I'm out with are down to get in SC with me. They wanna show them other hoes they gotchu, and you wanna show them other hoes they don't

Post: #5332

Totally forgot about this gem. I read this shit way back in 2014 when I definitely didn't have the intangibles to use it.

(04-09-2017 06:49 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  Youre essentially talking about the "Apocalytic Opener" Yes it can work

Here's Roissy's version (but there are others)

Quote:Essentially, the Apocalypse Opener is three simple sentences. A description from the link above:

You rock up to a chick and, in a confident, level voice you say

“Hey, how’s it going.”

She will say

“Fine.”

You then say

“Cool. What are you doing later?”

She will say

“I’m not sure.”

You then say

“Do you want to come home with me?”

Then you hold.

Hold.

HOLD………………..

HOLD IT MY SON……………………..

HOLD THE FUCKING LINE………………

Boom. Makeout. [editor’s note: he means a makeout should be forthcoming, not that you should initiate a makeout]

So that’s all I had to memorize. “Hey, how you doing.” “Cool. What are you up to later?” “Do you want to come home with me?” Easy enough, but of course nothing is ever that simple. The real power of the opener resides in your confident body language, casual delivery, and most importantly how well you maintain state control after you say the final knockout line. Again, from the website link above:

The key to making it work is not how you say it, but what you do in the 30 seconds after it’s left your mouth.

Before I talk specifics, let’s state the single CARDINAL SIN of the Apocalypse, which is the ONLY THING that can blow you out.

NEVER BE WEIRD

That’s it. Don’t be weird. You have to deliver the opener deadpan. Like you are talking about the WEATHER. You are not making a BIG THING of it. You’re just ASKING.

You are not MOCKING. You are not JOKING. You are not TOO SERIOUS.

It is NOT PLAYFUL however – it is REAL.

You are REALLY ASKING HER.

If she says no – you only need ONE COMEBACK.

It is this:

“Ok.”

The key to making the Apocalypse Opener (“AO”) work seems to be that you are being sexually genuine without being sexually eager. That means: No creepiness, no giggling, no bashful smiling, no reneging after you’ve uttered the killer line, and no goofball backpedaling during that critical 30 second post-opener window. In sum: NO FEAR. I imagine if the girl reacted poorly, even angrily, to the AO most guys would be tempted to reassure her that it was just a joke.

He then goes on to explain that if she says “No” you just start talking about random shit like you would do with any girl you were being friendly with in a bar. He claims that 50% of the time, a girl who declines the AO will reengage you later in the night, as long as you handled the blowout with supreme nonchalance. He also makes the outlandish claim that the AO will “work” (that is, it will result in a same night lay) 40% of the time.

I had my doubts, so I decided to try it for myself and for the entertainment of you, my readers. The things I do for you people…

I went alone to a bar I don’t normally frequent. If I was going to risk getting a beer poured on my head, I didn’t want my buddies pointing and laughing at me and I didn’t want to cause trouble in a bar where I knew the staff. I decided to make my move before it got too late in the night and crowded with garrulous frat boys that my target could wave over in case the AO failed spectacularly. I also didn’t want to use it on very drunk girls. Almost any bold direct game will work to some degree on drunk chicks, and I wanted to test the AO without alcohol falsifying the result.

I, on the other hand, needed a couple of stiff drinks for this challenge. Although the AO sounds incredibly easy on paper, when you are standing there alone in a semi-crowded bar about to take your first steps toward your target, the lines you have practiced saying by yourself suddenly jam up in your throat. The AO is no ordinary opener; I was feeling intense apprehension the likes of which I hadn’t felt since I sat next to THE CUTEST GIRL IN THE WORLD in sixth grade English class and negged her pink backpack.

I walked up to her. I chose my target well. She was standing by the bar alone. I couldn’t see the AO working on girls in mixed sets. She was a solid 6, mid or late 20s, not GF worthy, but certainly lay worthy. There was no way I was ready to run the AO on a bonafide hottie.

“Hey, what’s up.”

She smiled. “Oh, not much. You?”

“I’m alright. You doing anything later?”

“Um… I dunno. Why?”

I focused hard on sounding casual. “Do you want to come home with me?”

After I said it, I felt a tremendous rush of adrenaline. I think I might have chubbed out a little, too. I kept my eyes locked on hers and a slight smile throughout. I made sure not to arch my eyebrows imploringly.

Her mouth hung open. At first she had a startled look, then amusement, then a darkening seriousness. She glanced down at her feet then back up at me.

“How many women has this worked on?”

“If you’d prefer not to, then that’s cool.”

“I just… I mean, it’s sort of OUT THERE, you know?”

I shrugged my shoulders. “Maybe compared to the average guy.”

“Well, um, I have to tell you I’m waiting for my boyfriend to arrive. So I’m flattered, but…”

“Ok, no problem. Catch you around.”

And with that I left the bar.

Apocalypse Opener: FAIL. But of course this was a sample set of one, so I won’t draw any conclusions about its efficacy or the adroitness of my delivery yet. She may have really been waiting for a boyfriend for all I knew.

I suspect the AO won’t work very well if you are an older man hitting on a much younger woman. Large age discrepancies need indirect game. This chick wasn’t much younger than me, but if she had been 19 I think my AO would have gone over like a lead balloon. I’m not a huge proponent of direct game, (and AO is about as direct as it gets), but in situations where you already communicate high sexual status through your looks and fashion sense, the AO will yield more success for you.

Since the AO has such potential for generating humorous and humiliating stories, I plan to purchase a small voice recorder that I will hide under my shirt when I do future AO attempts. Then I will post the audio on my blog for your edification. If you don’t hear any sound after I say the opener, that means I’m getting some.

Beautiful.
The perfect solution to people that tend to enjoy themselves to the detrement of getting laid (my dumb ass).
Lets get it fellas

Post: #5333

Ahh the apocalypse opener....

I wonder if you changed

Instead of "come home with me"
You say, "Let's get out of here"

WIA

Post: #5334

(04-09-2017 09:26 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Ahh the apocalypse opener....

I wonder if you changed

Instead of "come home with me"
You say, "Let's get out of here"

WIA

Have you ever tried it?


Based on my experience, I've never seen a direct move like that ever work for a Black Man. You have to build some level of comfort for her to come home with you.

Post: #5335

(04-09-2017 10:16 PM)Iso Wrote:  

(04-09-2017 09:26 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Ahh the apocalypse opener....

I wonder if you changed

Instead of "come home with me"
You say, "Let's get out of here"

WIA

Have you ever tried it?


Based on my experience, I've never seen a direct move like that ever work for a Black Man. You have to build some level of comfort for her to come home with you.

@WIA isn't that the point tho? that its the equivalent of abundance mentality conversationally hence the casualness?

@ISO Im about to find out next weekend lol. I don't think you lead with that you just casually drop it in the conversation like its an everyday thing. I think that this type of thing would fly in Austin. The snow bunnies love a snow plow

Post: #5336

I'm too into screening at this point. Looks is not enough. Nor is common interest.

Agreed that the abundance mentality is at work here, but it's ultimately a direct approach - direct means all she has to make her decision on is what she sees and how she feels in the moment. Whether or not it works, the decision is entirely up to her. Direct is great because it's efficient, and it screens in dtf, but I've personally found that direct is limited in application.

My tweak is to basically to add 20% ambiguity and plausible deniability but also predictable complication. But play the game between the lines.

This is something to test though

WIA

Post: #5337

So let's talk screening for a chick that you're going to bang

It used to be for me just

1) Face, body, style
^ with beauty technology today a chick is gonna have a decent face and usually a fair amount of T&A. Pushup bra has fooled me several times. I think most of us can point out a phat ass.

Then after I dated some dramatic chicks, I added

2) resume - job, education
3) people she surrounds herself with

A chick not being gainfully employed or educated, and surrounded by the worst elements have gotten me in tight situations on day one.

First night type shit, where a routine traffic stop could have gone wrong because broad is out of pocket. Or having to deal with some fuck shit cause her people are warped and negative.

I don't do drama anymore. Mainly because if a chick is bringing that type of thing into your life, it's only going to get worse. A regular broad will bring enough bullshit as is.

And crazy bitches have the best sex, and you can find yourself picking her up to bang but literally being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

So resume and who she socializes with are key for me right out the gate. You young dudes need to deal with crazy to understand sane.

So now

4) personality mesh

This is the most black box of them all in my opinion. There is a groove when you meet a chick, and stuff just clicks. You mesh easily, for a time. Like if you dance with a chick, the rhythm between you two is on point. You leaf, she follows. You give her a chance to shine and she does.

I like rapping to chicks, just cause it's fun, win or lose. But sometimes I like the chick more than the rap.

So those are the 4 pre bang.

Post bang screening includes
- health and fitness
- sex skills

Long term stuff?
Like her deep behavioral trends?

Lots of chicks change after they have children, for the better and for the worse. I've spoken about the futility of the village virgin, y'all can do a search for that.


....

Screening is different than "qualification".
Qualification, the pua style, is actually about attraction and getting her to chase. Part of the dance when she knows she's dancing.

But true character, if chicks have such a thing, are made when you she's not conscious that you're making a judgment. People will tell you what you want to hear, (to put themselves in the best light) if they're on alert for it. It's a human trait.

Let's say a chick smokes. Already not long term material for me, but when the cig is done, how does she dispose of it.

You take the chick to the post club diner so she can sober up - does she examine the glasses to see how clean they are?

How long does it take for her to say goodbye to her club/bar family when you pull?

Does she want to change the music in the ride?

Etc

All these things mean something to me based on what I want, but might not mean much for you.

I try to figure out as soon as possible, ideally before I try to put her in the funnel, where the chick is at.

That's me, what about you.

WIA

Post: #5338

(04-10-2017 06:37 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  You take the chick to the post club diner so she can sober up - does she examine the glasses to see how clean they are?

How long does it take for her to say goodbye to her club/bar family when you pull?

What do these mean? I've never heard of it.

Post: #5339

(04-10-2017 10:17 AM)Iso Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 06:37 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  You take the chick to the post club diner so she can sober up - does she examine the glasses to see how clean they are?

How long does it take for her to say goodbye to her club/bar family when you pull?

What do these mean? I've never heard of it.

I'm not WIA but here's where I think he's going, feel free to correct me.

With examining the glasses it's an attention to detail thing, or possibly looking for OCD tendencies. This wouldn't mean much to me personally.

How long it takes her to say goodbye likely suggests how much of a social butterfly she is and how invested she is in you. Does she want to get out of the venue with you, or is she still wanting to party and be social with her crew.

Post: #5340

(04-05-2017 01:48 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  Weekend Report:

Two cities and two different dates from Tinder (First dates from Tinder ever)

Date 1 - Belgian Blonde, 22 years old. (Antwerp, Belgium) - Ex "aspiring" model.

Picked her up in my car in Antwerp and we ended up driving 1.5 hour to the seaside together. Lots of funny conversations in the car. She was a full point lower than her Tinder profile (looked like an 8 online but turned out to be a 7 and change) Still not bad and bangable but the wow effect was gone. She had nice big tits and ass though. She was taller than I thought she would be. Goddamn European girls are so tall. She was like 5,11 and not super thin.. I am about 5,10, had my boots and she was still a smidge tall than me.

I have never had to ask girls if they have work the next day before setting up dates but it seems you gotta be careful of this shit as it gives them as an easy out excuse.

This is also a new situation for me since I usually have all this attraction and interest down from meeting girls in a nightclub and had to readjust my game quickly (which I somewhat did)

I am going to keep plugging away on Tinder since I have been getting a good deal of interest lately and see if I can strengthen my game there. Usually I am stronger at dates but its because I usually run nightgame and have everything done ahead of time and the date just becomes a follow through to get to the bedroom. This time it was doing everything from the bottom up and took some getting used to. I wanted to get the girls into some kind of nightclub/bar dancing situation where I am extremely strong but just didn't get the chance here..

That's a good weekend report. Great job on setting up the Tinder dates. There's no such thing as a bad date and it sounds like you're learning some great lessons.

Here's some things I've learned over the years...

1. Before you drive 2+ hours to meet a girl, spend a little more time talking with her on the phone first. Usually you can determine whether or not it's going to work out after a few phone conversations. By the time you meetup with her it shouldn't feel like a "first" date.

2. If she talks about having sex, then talk about it in a laid back, funny way that makes her laugh...however don't hype or brag about yourself.
She obviously wants to have an experience so let her have it...the conversation is basically an appetizer to the main course...

3. If you are traveling to another city, take the train. It gives you a great excuse to spend the night. Also go ahead and get an nearby AirBnb that's within walking distance so your logistics are rock solid.

4. If you haven't slept with her yet, then clubbing is a bad idea...too many distractions.

Dinner on Wednesday is better...it's just you and her...not some loud club with hooligans and orbiters trying to get her attention.

And finally "I have to wake up for a 9am photo shoot!" is just a decoy. Don't fall for it. That's a test. That's why you want to have superior logistics so it's not an excuse. Before the date, tell her that you are getting an AirBnB and give her the address.

European girls know what's going on so keep things simple. The date should end at least with you at her place or the girl at your place making out on the couch. There should be no goodnight kisses at the door...

Post: #5341

@WIA - Do you screen for smartphone use? Social Media use? Would you be cool with a girl that posts "semi tasteful" provocative pictures on instagram?

I was at a friends house with my girl and his new girl of like 2 months, not "official" but basically as close to official as you can get without the talk. (She is best friends with my girl). We were keeping it low key but we were drinking, playing music, "partying". Few people stopped over throughout the night to come and go.

His girl was glued to pinterest the entire night. like 85% of the time. Would you call her out on it? Would you try and be more entertaining than the phone? Would you "next that bitch!"?

@everyone else - To me, the problem with snapchat/instagram is that it doesn't improve your game - it just gets you laid, if you're lucky. Squares get lucky. Hence why many squares call getting laid "getting lucky". So I think it hurts guys when people say "yo don't bother texting her, let her see you on snapchat and she'll hit you back" which might be true but it's not good GAME. Not only does it not help your game, it actively hurts you by losing out on opportunities to practice and improve. It's like giving a man a fish instead of teaching him how. It not only robs him of the ability to catch himself a fish but also the pleasure of fishing itself. It doesn't get you BETTER. It isn't FUN.

Now, the flip side to that is it can help to put more girls into your pipeline that you can then practice game on. That's the only reason I've been considering it lately. I talk to a lot of girls. I have horrible logistics right now so I have to bang at their place. So if they have bad logistics for the night I bounce. I never exchange phone numbers but I could see exchanging instagrams and having them hit me later once they see a dope lifestyle.

I don't use snapchat so call me a keyboard jockey if you want, but I see it being VERY EASY to get many women per night into a snapchat with me. Even if I just met them 2 minutes ago. Girls want to attention whore in front of a camera. Spike their emotions, tell them you want them to do a snapchat takeover (whadup luke) and get them to act CRAZY (and hot) for your snapchat. Other women will have NO IDEA you just met them. Same as when you talk to a group of girls earlier in the night and they walk by while you're gaming another chick and you shout out to them and they holler back. To the girl it looks like you're friends with that group of women. DHV, Social Proof.

Anyone who says you need social media to get laid doesn't have game. I have 0 social media except for my online business, which isn't connected to my name nor do girls know about it. I am under 30yo. I have a $10 smart phone. Girls laugh at my phone and make fun of me for it. I tell them I'm too poor to have an iphone because I work at taco bell. Right now they have me out back dicing up the lettuce but there has been talk around the water cooler that I'm going to get promoted to cashier which is awesome because I get my own paper hat. Oh? You wanted me to qualify myself. Silly little girl, shit test nuked out of orbit.

Now, there are really only two objections to why doesn't he have social media. Either he's a serial killer or he's lying and hiding a wife and kids. She can tell I'm not a serial killer because of how I dress and act so that isn't a big deal. If social media comes up and I say I don't have social media the women either get really excited about it and say how they like me more because of it (cool) or they are skeptical.

When skeptical I say,

"Yeah I never liked social media, it always seems too fake, people putting on a front to look cool. I like when people are real. It's funny because when I tell girls (DHV - he talks to other women) I dont use social media they always think I'm like hiding a wife and kids or something. Its like no, I never even had a MYSPACE PAGE."

*Cue the nostalgia* *giggle* *giggle* OMG MYSPACE!

"I bet you had a crush on Tom didnt you. You are so bad aren't you. Who would you rather date Tom or Zuckerburg? Naw I bet you'd date zuckerburg you look like the type of chick that dates nerdy guys. Don't lie to me, I can tell. Yeah thats why me and you would never work. I like to do manly things like fix motorcycles and lift weights (DHV). You'd try and get me to watch Pretty little liars(Not a serial killer, he knows latest shows) and I'd be like naw, I'll be on my bike if you need me. we'd fight constantly then have wild crazy makeup sex then fight again and then more makeup sex. By the end of the first week we'd both be at a mental institution and you'd be in a straight jacket screaming "I just wanted him to watch glee with me!!" Yeah we would never work as a couple, but I like you lets just be friends instead. *hugs* I'm so glad I made a new friend tonight. Come let's go to the bar so you can buy me a drink.

I use to work a sales job selling dick and diet pills. Call after call in a cubicle. The best way to defeat an objection (which is very similar to a shit test) is to *flip the script* and bring the objection up first. Not only does it show a high level of social intelligence (not a serial killer) but also takes the winds out of their sails.

This is all real old school shit, nothing I invented. I actually feel bad for the guys getting into the game in 2017. I even feel bad for the guys getting into the game in 2014 when I first heard about it. I didn't really learn "game" until very recently when I started digging into the old stuff (98-04 and R5D stuff up to like 2013). For almost 2 years I thought game was "look cool, dont supplicate, and talk to large amounts of women."

Last weekend I was talking to two girls. Social media came up, I told them I didn't have any. They were SO confused and like not really ok with it. I held the frame that its COOL to NOT have social media. It was funny watching her face trying to process it. Then she started shaking her head up and down going Yeah, Yeah, ok that makes a lot of sense. Actually, I like that you don't have social media thats so cool. (totally flipped 180) the other girl goes "omg did you see his phone it doesn't surprise me he doesn't have social media." I'm like yeah, this was the only phone I could buy at walmart with my food stamp card. 2 minutes later they ask if I want to go on an adventure together and we go to another bar.

Keep in mind, these girls were 22 and HOT. They did a similar thing when they asked who I was with and I said I came alone. They couldn't comprehend it until I made it look COOLER than going out with people. My frame of reference was stronger than theirs.

Back to flipping the objectives script for a moment. I'm trying to come up with a "routine" to spit at girls to destroy any potential LMR before it happens. It seems the major objective would be "If I put out he will think I'm easy and won't like me"

So to flip the script on that common objection a quick story about how you think people are too uptight about sex and you'd rather find out right upfront if you have sexual chemistry with a person instead of waiting only to find out you didn't have that spark would do the trick. (whadup yareally)

Perfect example, I was in bed with a girl last weekend, she goes "we can't do this, what will you think of me if we have sex on the first night" From my sales exp I know the worst thing you can do about an objection (that you didn't bring up first) is make it seem like its a VALID objection. If you try and convince them, it makes them see it as a valid objection and they dig in.

I simply said "I love women who are open about their sexuality, I think its sexy" and continued. Prior to that she had buttoned and pulled her pants back up two or three times (I kept trying to slowly slip them off lol) within 2 minutes of saying that she pulled her pants off herself.

That's the power of game, it's not convincing someone of something they don't want, its giving them permission to do what they already want to do.

What are some other common objections you heard and "felt" when you got LMR?

Post: #5342

"And finally "I have to wake up for a 9am photo shoot!" is just a decoy. Don't fall for it. That's a test. That's why you want to have superior logistics so it's not an excuse. Before the date, tell her that you are getting an AirBnB and give her the address. "

Yes, Very true. This actually ties into my post above about objections. You want to think about all of the "impossible to counter" objections such as "opps I cant hangout anymore I have to work early tomorrow" If you get that, you are dead in the water. However, if you ask her earlier in the date what she is doing tomorrow she can no longer use that objection.

However, the counter argument to that would be "well, if shes really feeling you she wouldn't have given you that objection and she can always just come up with another excuse." Which is true but people don't always do whats best for them (like getting some good dick). They look for excuses. If you can make those excuses seem silly then they might agree and go with the flow. That is why you get the "hard" excuses out of the way so all that is left is "silly" excuses that are easy to push through because even she realizes they are silly.

Quick note on apocalypse Opener: In my experience (talking to women) this is actually very common. Guys (only ever black guys, I live in a VERY white area too) will just go up to girls and straight up ask if they will go home with them. I would imagine 99% of the time they dont do it properly, but you aren't going to get points for originality. Chances are if shes hot shes had this happen 2 or 3 times before. But she's also had 10,000 guys try and flirt with her and that only makes you look better when you do it correctly. So it would still work. The closest I've ever done to an apocalypse opener was on a hot shot girl.

100% serious with *slight* playful tone.
me:"Hey, What time do you get out tonight"
her:"oh we have to stay until 3 to clean up"
me:"cool. I make an AMAZING omelette, I'm going to come over your place after you get out and make it for you."
her:hahaha omg that sounds soo good but I have a boyfriend
me:thats fine im not the jealous type
her:omg I cant believe you just said that, hehehe, but im sorry I dont do that. but like that sounds awesome I bet you could totally say that to another girl and she would definitely take you up on that!"

in hindsight I'm actually glad this didn't work on her. I shouldn't shit where I eat. But she always remembers me and is extra friendly so its good social proof. In fact, I think that would be a great thing to do. Apocalypse style opener on the shot girls/bartenders (hoping it won't actually work) so they remember you and give you social proof. Just don't be an uncalibrated creep about it.

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For all the cats (myself formally included) rocking the Yoga/Mala beads & bracelets w/o the functional context. Some interesting info to share when commented on.

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(04-10-2017 12:33 PM)Apollo21 Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 01:48 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  Weekend Report:

Two cities and two different dates from Tinder (First dates from Tinder ever)

Date 1 - Belgian Blonde, 22 years old. (Antwerp, Belgium) - Ex "aspiring" model.

Picked her up in my car in Antwerp and we ended up driving 1.5 hour to the seaside together. Lots of funny conversations in the car. She was a full point lower than her Tinder profile (looked like an 8 online but turned out to be a 7 and change) Still not bad and bangable but the wow effect was gone. She had nice big tits and ass though. She was taller than I thought she would be. Goddamn European girls are so tall. She was like 5,11 and not super thin.. I am about 5,10, had my boots and she was still a smidge tall than me.

I have never had to ask girls if they have work the next day before setting up dates but it seems you gotta be careful of this shit as it gives them as an easy out excuse.

This is also a new situation for me since I usually have all this attraction and interest down from meeting girls in a nightclub and had to readjust my game quickly (which I somewhat did)

I am going to keep plugging away on Tinder since I have been getting a good deal of interest lately and see if I can strengthen my game there. Usually I am stronger at dates but its because I usually run nightgame and have everything done ahead of time and the date just becomes a follow through to get to the bedroom. This time it was doing everything from the bottom up and took some getting used to. I wanted to get the girls into some kind of nightclub/bar dancing situation where I am extremely strong but just didn't get the chance here..

That's a good weekend report. Great job on setting up the Tinder dates. There's no such thing as a bad date and it sounds like you're learning some great lessons.

Here's some things I've learned over the years...

1. Before you drive 2+ hours to meet a girl, spend a little more time talking with her on the phone first. Usually you can determine whether or not it's going to work out after a few phone conversations. By the time you meetup with her it shouldn't feel like a "first" date.

2. If she talks about having sex, then talk about it in a laid back, funny way that makes her laugh...however don't hype or brag about yourself.
She obviously wants to have an experience so let her have it...the conversation is basically an appetizer to the main course...

3. If you are traveling to another city, take the train. It gives you a great excuse to spend the night. Also go ahead and get an nearby AirBnb that's within walking distance so your logistics are rock solid.

4. If you haven't slept with her yet, then clubbing is a bad idea...too many distractions.

Dinner on Wednesday is better...it's just you and her...not some loud club with hooligans and orbiters trying to get her attention.

And finally "I have to wake up for a 9am photo shoot!" is just a decoy. Don't fall for it. That's a test. That's why you want to have superior logistics so it's not an excuse. Before the date, tell her that you are getting an AirBnB and give her the address.

European girls know what's going on so keep things simple. The date should end at least with you at her place or the girl at your place making out on the couch. There should be no goodnight kisses at the door...

1. I HAVE to be in Antwerp (or in that area) for work and I pipelined Tinder and ran text game and converted her from Tinder to whatsapp smoothly in advance before the date. I did not drive 2 hours to meet her for a date nor do i EVER do such things. I learned that lesson in my early 20s. I will be back in Antwerp again for work on the 28th and 29th and I'll see if I am going to take a second shot at this or not.

3. I CANNOT take the train I use the car for work but I could have setup the logistics better. I got a REALLY SHIT hotel (which i didnt realize before) and she scoffed when I told her what hotel I was at so she wasnt curious or really interested in checking out the room or anything. I failed on that one.

I bailed on the club idea so you are correct and that is a step backwards. So if/when we meet up again end of this month I will setup just me and her and give it another crack.

The "9 am photoshoot" girl was just not working with me. She wouldnt really relax that much at all throughout the date. My date was cut short from the time she got in the car. I know you guys always have a counterattack for everything and it was probably just an excuse but she knew I had good logistics (she used to live in that area) and I had the car anyway. She just wasn't feeling me and my game wasn't strong enough to pull that one off. I know I have trouble with higher end girls anyway.

When I get to that 8/9 level my game tends to run out of steam. Especially if I am outside of a nightclub. Those girls shit test and pick you apart super hard and it feels like you are walking on glass shards on the whole time. Another issue is that its not like I have dates with girls of that caliber often so its hard to practice on them. I can read theory all day but you really learn when you are out there and on the front line.

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(04-10-2017 10:17 AM)Iso Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 06:37 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  You take the chick to the post club diner so she can sober up - does she examine the glasses to see how clean they are?

How long does it take for her to say goodbye to her club/bar family when you pull?

What do these mean? I've never heard of it.

These are personal things that I don't like

1) a chick that's always checking for cleanliness - is the kind of person who has a great meal, but then doesn't like the bathroom decor and gives the place 3 stars instead of 5.

2) I don't really care how many dudes a chick has banged, but when you trying to leave and she gotta talk to fifty-leven people, that's a chick that puts her time over yours.

WIA

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Well it's not the distance per se...it's really all about qualifying the girl.

There's nothing wrong with meeting a girl who lives far away.
I actually prefer girls who live far away...that way you can spend enough time with them on the phone
so that when you do eventually meetup you've already talked about spending the night together
in advance.

Although I tend to date women over 30 so there may be a generation gap especially with younger girls 20-22
who may love to text and snapchat lol.

It does take a lot of work on developing your inner game...and lots of practice...just remember it's not a girl's looks
that makes her a high calibre girl...there are plenty of girls who are a hot mess. It's her attitude that makes her a quality girl.

Always assume that she's looking for you...not the other way round. That she has to meet your standards...and that she probably
doesn't measure up regardless of what she looks like...although you're willing to cut her some slack because you're a good guy and you're feeling generous lol...
and she does have some potential:-)

That's the attitude you have to demonstrate with humor, confidence and style. And that does take a while so just enjoy meeting girls.
You really can't make any mistakes as long as you keep getting out there gaining experience.

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(04-10-2017 05:53 PM)Apollo21 Wrote:  It does take a lot of work on developing your inner game...and lots of practice...just remember it's not a girl's looks
that makes her a high calibre girl...there are plenty of girls who are a hot mess. It's her attitude that makes her a quality girl.

PREACH!

(04-10-2017 05:53 PM)Apollo21 Wrote:  Always assume that she's looking for you...not the other way round. That she has to meet your standards...and that she probably
doesn't measure up regardless of what she looks like...although you're willing to cut her some slack because you're a good guy and you're feeling generous lol...
and she does have some potential:-)

That's the attitude you have to demonstrate with humor, confidence and style. And that does take a while so just enjoy meeting girls.
You really can't make any mistakes as long as you keep getting out there gaining experience.

^Y'all better soak this game up!

Just to add on, Inner Game is a very abused topic in our world.

The term comes from a very important about playing tennis (The Inner Game of Tennis). A lot of what coaches teach now, like "Visualize your shots", is the type of stuff that they yell at you. But visualization actually helped people win matches and tournaments when take seriously.

The book also spoke on silencing your doubt IN THE MOMENT. A whole lot of scientific work has been done on "flow", which is the step right after you silence the voice in your head.

So the inner game in talking to chicks
- visualizing success
- getting out of your head and into talking to the chick.

But "Inner Game" © 2007 on sale for 49.97...- is not about the mental calmness of being a professional in a boxing match.

Bastardized PUA inner game is about actually about

1) having standards for yourself
2) holding yourself accountable
3) coming to grips with what you really like (damn them skinny girls are starting to look good)
4) confidence that even if it doesn't go exactly how you plan, you're still in control

5) a bunch of other things on a guru list.

^There's nothing wrong with this, and getting this down makes your game better. You're more sure of yourself, and you're less likely to be rattled.

The problem with this, is that it's a moving target. Back in the day, any chick would say Aye Papi, I was in love. Now, I'm just appreciative. So stepping things down, expecting some stuff, I find pleasure in the small things about a girl.

Coming up though, before you get jaded - what you want are SKILLZ!

What I strive for is COMPETENCE. When I am competent at something, when i know how to do it, what to expect, what to do when the unexpected happens - I'm in control of myself and my emotions. Just being calm makes things easier.

There's a working man's approach to game that I think more guys should take advantage of. But they need to realize that's an option.

WIA

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Speaking as an athlete most of those definitions of inner game are incorrect.

Mental calmness is inner game in the context of defeating yourself--felt doubt. Visualizatoin and calmness of mind are about winning the mental side of a competition.
To go on your tennis reference visualization by comparison I would say its the equivalent of positive affirmations--a mental exercise for success.
You can visualize all you want but without the scripts/skills you can't even to begin to embark on fulfilling your visualization.

(04-11-2017 06:52 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  What I strive for is COMPETENCE. When I am competent at something, when i know how to do it, what to expect, what to do when the unexpected happens - I'm in control of myself and my emotions. Just being calm makes things easier.

Isn't what you wrote here what actual inner game is? In terms of athletics and girls being good meant acquiring skills/scripts and learning the recognize the patterns their usage untill you can act correctly without having to think and walk yourself through every move--hes got game--you strive to internalize what you are being taught.

When a tennis player sees a ball with backspin he knows that he's got 5 strikes in his arsenal for returning the ball. He sees that the competitor is on one side of the court so that reduces it to 3 strikes. The speed and height of the ball reduces it to one. That thought process doesnt even occur to top tier players they just recognize the situation and know instictively what to do.

BBall: guy crowns you-->rip through and dunk. Guy turns his head from you-->back door him for a layup. Gives you too much space-->shoot the J.

when the script becomes a part of who you are and you're just recognizing situations and reacting appropriately. you begin to freestyle and go off script with and things like Apollo mentioned: humor, confidence and style. Also like he said it did take most of us a while to get to this place. Then you get to another level where you know option 2 is best for returning the ball but option 5 is the worst option but also will catch the opponent of guard and therefore may be the best option.
If I had the bet this is probably where most tennis players errors come from. Option 5 is ill advised for a reason but when utilized successfully it leaves the defense in a catch 22 situation.

The italicized to me is the next in game but have been getting miserable results: trying to weaponize typical "no-no's" of game: complements, beta stuff, lack of frame control. etc. You could even say that "being yourself is a form of this. The be youself as a blue piller doesnt work. But when you work on yourself internaize the game and begin to win girls over with your personal version/vision of what your "humor, confidence and style" are you are returning to "being yourself."

On my example of the bball back door cut. The text book move is to cut all the way to the hole for a layup. Seasoned vets know theres about 4 other moves beyond the textbook.

Guy turns his back-->textbook response: backdoor cut
Other moves: Fake and pop out, fake and curl, fake and reverse pivot into a post up on the block.

Knowing how to use them comes from internalizing your teachings and taking parts from stuff you know to do and not to do. Also comes with knowing how your defender reacts in a panic and using counterinstitution to execute theres other 4 moves. But you can't utilize them without a thorough understanding and internalization of the scrips/skills.

Edit: I had to read you post about 10-times and I'm still not sure, but I think we are agreeing WIA?

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Random af, but anyone ever rock Dashiki's or thawbs? I'm thinking about stepping outside the fashion trends a bit this summer with some casual comfortable non-traditional (american) garb to stand out a bit.


something like:




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(04-12-2017 11:01 AM)DimeBait Wrote:  Random af, but anyone ever rock Dashiki's or thawbs? I'm thinking about stepping outside the fashion trends a bit this summer with some casual comfortable non-traditional (american) garb to stand out a bit.

Yes. I have three dashikis that I rock for night game. You'll get a lot of love and they pull a lot of attention. Guys will come up randomly and complement my dashiki, when I open a set of girls they will complement me on my colors. Its great when you're in a conversation with cutie pies and people won't stop coming up to you and complementing you. #FirstWorldProblems

Be careful about the sizes you buy though. American XXLs can fit a tall slinder dude without the T-shirt looking ill fitting. Two of the dashikis I bought first in the wrong size (XXL) and they didn't fit at all like a XXL nike Tee and were very unflattering.