(04-03-2017 07:38 PM)the high Wrote:  So what's the intel on Ethiopia? I know banned member Anabis was from there but any of you guys been/pulled an Ethiopian chick?

In my experience, from the ones ive dealt with/tried to deal with in London overall they are harder to smash then other black girls. A lot are dick teases and they also have a lot of cultural pressure i feel, so them smashing outside of there culture isnt taking lightly. I think you have to really be accepted by there circle and or there culture to get in.

some of the ones i have come across have a bed wench vibe, as in they look down on other blacks and look up to massa.
overall they come across as almost more asian in culture/traditions then african to me. Generally they know there appeal.


I do plan to go to Ethiopia to get them at the source, as the women are FINE

There are 3 east african chics in London that i know of that are superbad. (1 is somali, 1 is eritrean and 1 is ethiopian) and very hard to find girls of any race on par with them.

Somalians sometimes have a bit more esteem issues and can be down to be a side chic, but generally ive found the quality to not be as good on average as ethiopians.

Ethiopian women do have a regal/feminine vibe and i did smash 1, but it was hard work.

I have been a big fan but there not a openly sexually so be prepared to put bit more work in, would be interested to know other peoples experiences/knowledge of dealing with women of east african/ethiopian descent

(04-03-2017 04:48 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  I was talking to DB offline and he sent me this note. I thought I had touched on this before, but seems like I did not.

"During my last couple dates, while there were a couple moments of seemingly awkward silence, I found the women just as willing, if not more, to step up there convo game. In the past, it was always me doing whatever I could to avoid moments of silence"

This is golden tactic I have been using for awhile.

This has been my new favorite move. I did it again last night having dinner with a gal. It's probably also important to point out this has to be executed politely and confidently to have the desired effect. I think if she picks up nervous energy she'll think you're a lame, lol.

How long should an e-book be?
I'm sitting on 400 pages that's going to grow the more i edit.

WIA

(04-05-2017 08:19 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  How long should an e-book be?
I'm sitting on 400 pages that's going to grow the more i edit.

WIA

Sell a shorter version and an extended version.

(04-05-2017 08:19 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  How long should an e-book be?
I'm sitting on 400 pages that's going to grow the more i edit.

WIA

It varies drastically. I published a Kindle E-book that was roughly 8k words that ended up being a 40page e-book.I read on this site that "how-to's or self-help" books generally run between 40-50,000 words.
If I were you, I'd look into both traditional and e-book publishing.


*ETA* I agree with ISO, maybe make the e-book a much cheaper teaser version or quite possibly break it up into a series to keep them coming back.
I remember I got some "free" Kindle ebooks to read on the plane by David Weaver. The first in the looooonnnnnng series were so damn good and left you hanging that I kept buying all the subsequent books.

1st book free, buy the rest. Interesting

WIA

^First book doesn't have to be free.

You have already given away enough knowledge for free on this forum.

Guys that want to learn, will buy the book. Heck, some guys pay big money for a bootcamp to meet women.

I would call it "what you father didn't teach you about women".

Titles, haha

Right now it's something like

Game: A Practical Approach

WIA

Weekend Report:

Two cities and two different dates from Tinder (First dates from Tinder ever)

Date 1 - Belgian Blonde, 22 years old. (Antwerp, Belgium) - Ex "aspiring" model.

Picked her up in my car in Antwerp and we ended up driving 1.5 hour to the seaside together. Lots of funny conversations in the car. She was a full point lower than her Tinder profile (looked like an 8 online but turned out to be a 7 and change) Still not bad and bangable but the wow effect was gone. She had nice big tits and ass though. She was taller than I thought she would be. Goddamn European girls are so tall. She was like 5,11 and not super thin.. I am about 5,10, had my boots and she was still a smidge tall than me.

Anyways the conversation was good, she mentioned that she had just had sex with a black guy for the first time a couple weeks ago and he was a let down. I took advantage and hyped myself up and said she chose the wrong brother. Lots of jokes and we meshed well but there was no physical escalation and it seemed hard to create sexual tension in a daytime situation. I think mainly my fault since I was too reserved and too used to nightgame where its very easy for me to be aggressive. We had made plans to smoke together after the date and towards the date she decided that she was too tired from the nights before and needed to sleep (she also had to leave for work at 8:30am next the morning which I did not know before setting up the date). Upon leaving the car she didn't leave me any room to go for a kiss and did the European kiss on the cheek shit. She asked me to dinner for Wednesday and to go clubbing with her and her friends on Saturday. Told her no for Wednesday but yeah for clubbing on Saturday. I still haven't 100% confirmed and have ghosted for the most part since then.

I am probably gonna text her that I got a friendly or friendzone vibe on the date and that is something I am not interested in whatsoever.

No kiss no nothing but you ask me for two more dates while just finishing the first date? WTF?? - My Diagnosis: She's trying to friendzone me.


Date 2 - Saturday night (Hamburg, Germany) German "model", 20 years old.

Still a little less attractive than the online pictures show but def 8+ and KNOWS IT. She planned a date for us (since I am not from the area) and did a pretty damn good job of it. Picked her up at 7pm on the dot German style and drove to the Vegan restaurant she made reservations for us at. The food was damn good and best vegan I ever had in my life. She was also fucking tall. 5,11 once again and I thought she would be a little shorter. I couldn't fucking win with height this weekend. Conversation was also on point and once again we meshed well. After the dinner we went to this small amusement park with rides and rollercoasters and that kind of stuff. This time I realized that last time I needed to push the envelope more and decided to start putting my arm around her while we were walking together to "test the waters". While walking through the park I did this a few times.. She didn't flinch away from it but she didn't move closer or complain about it either. We had tons of fun on the coasters together and it kept the excitement , jokes and conversation flowing really well for the rest of the night but I still think the conversation lacked behind the previous date with the blonde.

Once again found out on the date that she had to be up at 9am for a photo shoot. FUCK! Date got cut short. No alcohol involved and she was home again by like 11:30/12. Upon leaving the car she gave me a hug and that was it. UGH. We texted a little the next day and then conversation has dropped off since then. I sent a message about 24 hours ago and she has seen it but hasnt responded at all but has the time to update her snapchat. Its not looking good.

My Diagnosis: Good Escalation tactics and her interest but couldn't get attraction going. Getting her on a dancefloor would have helped immensely. Pretty sure I lost her.

I have never had to ask girls if they have work the next day before setting up dates but it seems you gotta be careful of this shit as it gives them as an easy out excuse.

This is also a new situation for me since I usually have all this attraction and interest down from meeting girls in a nightclub and had to readjust my game quickly (which I somewhat did)

I am going to keep plugging away on Tinder since I have been getting a good deal of interest lately and see if I can strengthen my game there. Usually I am stronger at dates but its because I usually run nightgame and have everything done ahead of time and the date just becomes a follow through to get to the bedroom. This time it was doing everything from the bottom up and took some getting used to. I wanted to get the girls into some kind of nightclub/bar dancing situation where I am extremely strong but just didn't get the chance here..

^Good report and keep them coming.

I am curious what was said before the dates were set up? Was anything implied.

You met them on Tinder, which I understand is a hook-up site.

The first girl I think you invested a lot into the date, since it was a first date why not just stay in Antwerp and get to know her. Driving 1.5 hrs to the beach seems a bit much, time and gas money.

I would assume you were hoping to bang one of the girls, did you think about logistics?

(04-05-2017 02:16 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  ^Good report and keep them coming.

I am curious what was said before the dates were set up? Was anything implied.

You met them on Tinder, which I understand is a hook-up site.

The first girl I think you invested a lot into the date, since it was a first date why not just stay in Antwerp and get to know her. Driving 1.5 hrs to the beach seems a bit much, time and gas money.

I would assume you were hoping to bang one of the girls, did you think about logistics?

Antwerp girl:

I never agreed to drive 1.5 hour I thought it was closer (misunderstanding and I even brought it up later) so the date went on longer than it should have. This led to tiredness and ultimately me failing.

Sexual innuendos were there in previous conversations.

Logistics: We were going to smoke back at her place after the date (she backed out of that using work as a excuse). The plan was to go back to her place, smoke and escalate from there while we chilled.


Hamburg girl:

No sexual innuendos whatsoever previously.

I had my buddies apartment and a car so logistics were sorted I guess. I got the bomb dropped on me that she had to work tomorrow morning during the date. She didn't want even do anything overly exciting and we couldn't even get 1 beer.


But back to the Antwerp girl:

When nothing happens on a date and a girl tries to essentially book two dates with you right away for the future.. what is the logic going forward?

I have had this happen once in the past and it led straight to a bang but I wanted to get input from you all.

(04-05-2017 01:48 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  Anyways the conversation was good, she mentioned that she had just had sex with a black guy for the first time a couple weeks ago and he was a let down. I took advantage and hyped myself up and said she chose the wrong brother.

Guess she thought her virtue signaling of her indiscriminate slutting would win you over.
Not sure hyping yourself up was the right move, everything I read says that is a shit test and you need to tell her you're not interested in medical reports.

Quote:Lots of jokes and we meshed well but there was no physical escalation and it seemed hard to create sexual tension in a daytime situation. I think mainly my fault since I was too reserved and too used to nightgame where its very easy for me to be aggressive.

Yezzir
Too much comfort without seduction is a fast track to the friendzone. I suggest in the future throwing more sexual innuendos around:

"Don't think that just because this ocean view is so romantic that I'm going to let you take advantage of me "
**Accidentally bump hands** "HMMMM!!! trying to make the first move on me?! This is how its done!" *grabs her hand or arm around her waist/shoulder*
"Damn this ocean view has got me feeling extra romantic know what I mean (compliance test) **pull her in close run the eye triangle test-->passionate kiss followed by a smile and science. Let it rattle around her brain for a minute

Quote:Upon leaving the car she didn't leave me any room to go for a kiss and did the European kiss on the cheek shit. She asked me to dinner for Wednesday and to go clubbing with her and her friends on Saturday. Told her no for Wednesday but yeah for clubbing on Saturday. I still haven't 100% confirmed and have ghosted for the most part since then.

Maybe you're just that fly that this chick wants to spend more time with you. Can easily convert this to "dinner at my place bring wine" and see what happens. Also go on the friends date and if she blows you off you just run some "ignore her" game and seriously pursue her friends. Maybe this turns her around maybe it doesnt. Either way it moves your dick closer to a lay whether its her or not.

On the european kiss just turn your face and kiss her on the lips. When she acts surprised you say something arrogant: "Gotcha"
If she tries to correct it again you go: "ok ok ok...." and then turn your lips into hers again. Its playful but sends a clear message known what IM sayin

Quote:Date 2 - Saturday night (Hamburg, Germany) German "model", 20 years old.

After the dinner we went to this small amusement park with rides and rollercoasters and that kind of stuff. This time I realized that last time I needed to push the envelope more and decided to start putting my arm around her while we were walking together to "test the waters". While walking through the park I did this a few times.. She didn't flinch away from it but she didn't move closer or complain about it either.

This is where I typically call her out on her behavior in a compliance test
"come here girl"
"its easier for you to hug me when you're not so far away"

IF you're going on rides its clear that you can flip the script and start accusing her of trying to isolate you so she can make a move. Pretty much any ride where you have to sit side by side. Hell I would pick the ride then accuse her of trying to set you up. When she says it was your idea hit her with that "I know" and slide in close for some eye-triangulation and a kiss or wrap that arm around her.

Quote:This is also a new situation for me since I usually have all this attraction and interest down from meeting girls in a nightclub and had to readjust my game quickly (which I somewhat did)

I may be by myself in this camp and it may even be bad game but I whole heartedly disagree.

Night game and day game are the same. To be two completely different people displays a lack of congruence of who you are as a person.

Like if you're an aggressive, asshole, IDGAF, Im going to enjoy myself at all costs, and a very sexual person when you night game and then you go on a date and you are passive--your subconscious will call you out on your congruence and it has a nasty way manifesting these things with behaviours we don't even register consciously (body language, jittery hands, eye contact, etc). Girls likely picked up on this and cancelled the dates early (after giving you several hours to do better).

Like it was discussed a few pages back women look at us as a stereotype of sexuality so if they agree to hang out with a brotha in any capacity they are looking for a sexual adventure. Most non black girls don't "prefer" black guys and the ones that agree to go on dates are putting you in the sexual interest bag from the get go. All you have now is a self-fulfilling prophecy to game.

Final Thots: What does your Tinder say about you? Is it congruent to how you behave on dates?

I will say this about daygame:

You do have to cross your t's and dot you i's when it comes to shit tests. Without alcohol to impare judgement failing shit tests is much more obvious as is every step of bad game (Not escalating sexually).

Always a great resource:

Shit test encyclopedia
https://illimitablemen.com/2014/12/14/th...yclopedia/

Mufasa makes some great points.

Either it was some back luck that both girls had to get up early the next day or you got blown out both times. This stuff does happen and is the reason I don't like to commit to much on first dates.

You made a big commitment, travelling to another city and then to the beach.

I could tell you were excited about the dates from the post you made earlier. Heck, I would have been as well. Young 22 year old chick with big tits and ass to boot.

It sounds like you failed the black guy sex thing shit test hard.

With the other girl, you had logistics in place. I would have met her at the closest bar to your buddies place and invite her up for one drink, if she declines then no loss on your part.

Next time, I would book another girl in the same city. Just in case one blows you out and the date isn't going well.

After reading your responses I think I bombed both dates.

-Lack of sexual tension on the blonde led to that stupid kiss and no invite to come upstairs. I am probably getting a second crack at this and gotta see if I want to take it.

-Lack of sexual tension on the model killed things completely and she hasnt returned my message at all.

I was going to be in both of these locations anyway so no sweat off my back. I was in Antwerp for work (I'm there once a month regardless) and Hamburg to visit my best friend in Germany so at the end of the day it was a good time and a RE-learning experience.

I am pretty aggressive during nightgame and not nearly as aggressive during "day game" for some reason unless I have previous compliance. I haven't had to start ground up during the day (since I dont normally online date) for a long time so having strategies for sexual tension in that situation wasn't in the front of my mind. Plus I wasn't the one planning the dates and I was just reacting to what was being thrown at me.

I would have fared better if the dates were in my cities because I would have had a complete strategy thought out before the date. i.e. where to escalate, how I would do it.. etc etc etc.... This whole situation threw me off and I was on the defensive instead of the offensive. I don't think its hard fix anyway for the future and if I go into this situation again I will be ready.

I didn't see much of how what the non-verbal communication was being used.
When you can't engineer the environment - all you have to work with is her mind.

WIA

(04-05-2017 08:19 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  How long should an e-book be?
I'm sitting on 400 pages that's going to grow the more i edit.

WIA

I'm selfish so I would rather have more than less. I would read a 1,000 page book as thick as the Lord of the Rings from you, but I understand that not everyone wants to read that much. That's why podcasts usually don't go over an hour even though I would rather listen 2 hours to a good podcast than have it stop at 1 hour.

Sell a 200 page basics to game book. Then the other 400 pages are the intermediate/advanced game plus game theory.

@Kirdiesel,

Nice reports, those are both interesting cities. Like I mentioned before, I would have joined you in Antwerp if I had the time. Once this semester is over, let's stay in touch and maybe we can link up and conquer some European cities, reminiscent of the Moors.

As for your field reports, the first one is almost identical to an experience I had not too long ago. The difference is the girl I met ended up picking me up (I was visiting in Germany, so shitty logistics). The problem with long drives on a first date is that it is hard to build sexual attraction through verbal and body language in a car, unless you have real tight game. I have to admit that I use a combination of verbal and physical so I feel my game is slightly neutralized in the car, especially since I don't have the greatest verbal/psychological game. Inside the car, too much time is spent trying to fill the awkward silence and build comfort, instead of building sexual tension. At least in my case, may be different for more experienced players.

I still think it's good that you are taking advantage of the your work and traveling to different places during the weekends. However, my only critique is maybe you put in too much commitment for a weekend date, especially for dates that are out of town.

Like you I try to hit up different Western European cities on the weekends but I use a different approach when it comes to dates. I typically go for the afternoon coffee/day drinks date, as this provides some of the best flexibility and requires the least amount of commitment. You are most likely already doing something in the city during the day so it is not too much out of your way to meet a date in the city center (or nearby your where you are staying). From there you have several options. If the date is going well and the weather is nice: walk around the city and maybe even have the girl show you some things about the city (they love showing off their home to visitors), or you lead the stroll through the city. One of my favorites moves after that is to say, "let's grab a bottle of wine and go back to my place"...

I prefer this when I'm visiting for a short while because it provides so much more flexibility. Even if the afternoon date is sub-par, you could cut it short and still have time to do other things in the city. Plus, you still have the option to leave your evenings open for other dates or even meeting the same girl later on that night.

Also as a side note, you probably shouldn't sweat the height thing too much. I'm 5'6 and I dream of being at least as tall as you are, but I can't do anything to change that. It can sometimes be something I struggle with internally, but if living in the tallest country in the world has taught me anything, it is that with a strong enough frame and game I can mostly overcome it. Just the other night I went out on a Tinder date with a Dutch girl who was much taller than me and when she saw me, she brought up the height difference. I have a go to line that almost always works to make them laugh and realize that I don't give a shit about them being taller. We continued on with the date and I'm meeting her again this weekend...

Let me know next time you go up to Amsterdam, it would be cool to sit down and exchange stories.

^What's the line if you don't mind me asking? I'm on the taller side, so I don't have to worry about it, I'm just curious.

Any former athletes that still have your jerseys: do you make your girls wear them before/during/after sex? There's a psychological aspect of a girl wearing your clothes. And then when you tell her to roleplay -- hmm, I'm looking for a new cheerleader, but I don't know if you have the energy for my squad -- well, I'm just wondering what you all think of that.

If any of you guys saw Train Wreck with Amy Schumer, think of something like that. Like having a girl come up with a cheer for you on the spot. And you're judging her to see if she does a good job.

Yes, I like to get weird!

Anyone have experience in N'djamena Chad? I think I will be headed there for a few months for business.

So can we talk about Cold Reads and how powerful that shit is?? WIA touched on it before and I was on the right track, but after reading Kwisatz Post I've been working on the framing.
I've always done subtle variations of the magical negro routine with palm reading, cube and guessing numbers etc, but lately I've been flat out telling bishes about my "special powers," lol. How I can feel their energy radiating and the how the average simp wouldn't be able to pick up on it. Bishes love thinking someone "gets them" more than others.
I especially love working towards sexualizing the convo by saying something like, I can tell your inner thoughts are very intense and if if the average person knew about the shit you think about they would be shocked, I.e., nasty shit. They pretty much always agree then I probe further for an example of some nastiness that goes on in their mind.
Anyhow there's some good reading material in the link. If you haven't used cold reads, play around with it. It's definitely some powerful shit and shouldn't be played with lightly unless you looking for stalkers, lol

lmao "magical negro"

^^^ Lol

I suppose the Magical Negro routine would be widely successful with YT girls since it's been proven that a majority of White People Think Black People are Magical

I've started doing more cold reads, making assertions about what they do or about their personality, and I've found that while accurate cold reads work really well even inaccurate cold reads usually keep them engaged and talking.

I feel the cold read is more powerful for us, because they don't expect us to say stuff that is off the wall.

I have done the astrology thing, some girls are into it heavily and some aren't into it at all. Even the ones who aren't into it, will be curious about your thoughts on the subject. Many guys may laugh at the whole astrology thing, but I can tell you I have had the best sex with Scorpio women.

Archie talks about saying stuff like "I don't think it will work between us" on the first date, which I guess is a cold read tactic.
Getting good at reading people is a great skill to have, I am more in favour of listening to what she has to say and finding out what excites/motivates her.

Palm reading is an innocent way of touching her, since I am not a touchy feely type person in public. In the past I have said something "funny" like I see her meeting a tall, dark and handsome man in the very near future.