Post: #3951

''The player wants to use her natural urges but keep his own in check''

Been running game along the line you described in the 'What is this game thingy anyway' thread. I engage her emotions, imagination and memory and direct that shit and its produced some awesome shit.

That been said, how do you keep from becoming jaded and sociopathic?

PS: These are black chicks.

Post: #3952

Thinking coffee shops are a good place to daygame hipster snow bunnies. Type of environment that should have the bitch shields very low.

Post: #3953

Game can be seen as manipulation. Once you start viewing it that way, it's hard to not see it that way. The logic is too strong because it taps deep into fears that you have, and have been programmed into you by society.

The original blue pill/red pill in pua was about unplugging yourself from social programming.

Another one are those guys who say that you pay for pussy either way, be it actual money, time, or effort. That type of logic is inescapable, and ultimately harmful because the idea that you have to pay is so disturbing to the mind.

Game discussed online has a shit load of these mental traps that make the male hamster spin his wheel.

Overall the general cure for all these negative thought patterns is action.

For your specific question, I see game as giving a person what they truly want. Man or woman, we want to be engaged.

The only reason you guys even know me is because my day to day work is not mentally engaging. I suspect that is true for most of the population. But we all have to pay bills.

So if I connect with a chick, I know I'm giving her something she desperately wants. I don't see myself as manipulating her anymore than someone offering a person a bowl hot soup when they've come in from the cold. If I sell cold water on to a traveler on a hot summer day, that's not manipulation.

When I see some bored chicks standing around, on their phones, and quickly engage them with a topic of the day, or something I noticed about them - I am that umbrella salesman during a rainstorm.

I wish I could give what little I have to more people, if what i give them makes their lives better.

Indeed, the real problem with game ends up being that she wants everything from you, but doesn't offer much in return.

I understand her.

She can't fathom me.

WIA

Post: #3954

(01-04-2017 08:26 AM)El Padrone Wrote:  ''The player wants to use her natural urges but keep his own in check''

Been running game along the line you described in the 'What is this game thingy anyway' thread. I engage her emotions, imagination and memory and direct that shit and its produced some awesome shit.

That been said, how do you keep from becoming jaded and sociopathic?

PS: These are black chicks.

Give me a series of responses that you have received that could possibly lead you into becoming jaded and sociopathic, please.

Post: #3955

Sociopathy is only a problem if you try to fill the void - if you acknowledge the void is constant, like the changing seasons, then we become more content. Serenity to accept the things we can't change.

Or at least, that's what I'll tell myself if I ever get to that point of sociopathy. For now, I'm still delusional and think I'll find my soul mate.

Post: #3956

(01-03-2017 03:32 AM)Moma Wrote:  I was thinking about it and those of us who are active in the field should start an honest game log just to show progression. This is not to detail successes but to show real life obstacles and shake the mystique of game for those who are not yet to actually go out on the field.

That's a good idea. Just getting your thoughts down on paper
can really help you see the same situation from multiple angles.

Some people even have daily success logs...where they record the
successes they achieved for the day...bodybuilders do it to track progress
and gains...writer's do it to develop ideas for books...inventors do it to
create and innovate...it's a powerful process...

This year, I want to focus on the idea of "compound interest"...where each
day or week your success or mastery in an area grows exponentially rather
than linearly...so that by the time the year is over you are light years ahead
of where you were when the year started.

Post: #3957

I don't know if game develops in any mathematical sense. For me, each level was a change in mindset and priorities.

WIA

Post: #3958

(01-05-2017 07:57 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  I don't know if game develops in any mathematical sense. For me, each level was a change in mindset and priorities.

WIA

The change in mindset can be summed up mathematically just for intellectual fun. However, the danger of boiling it too much down to numbers and equations is that guys go out there and open robotically and focus too much on percentage. The natural and the guy who 'gets it' doesn't care about the percentages, he has fun and eventually everything takes care of itself.

It's like basketball. The guy worrying about taking the perfect shot and messing up his 44 percent field goals will show on the field in his form. The guy who wants to win will take 100 shots and if the last one goes in to win the game, that's all that matters not about his percentage.

So yes, the mindset shift is important.

Post: #3959

The broad strokes of mindset shifts

I don't know what to say

Becomes I know what to say for these particular situations

Becomes I know what to say all the time

Becomes what I say doesn't matter

To should I even talk to this chick, because I know how this plays out

WIA

Post: #3960

Don't want to over analyze but I have two targets I'd like to move on, and wanted the advice here

1. A mid 40s receptionist (has a J lo thing going on; goodness Hispanics age so well) from where I used to work that we bonded over TV shows. Considering rekindling our interaction over FB chat (opening with something TV related), suggesting we meet for a happy hour, and then suggest her place for TV (where I make the move). Thoughts?

2. White girl that works nearby where I live. Have bonded over love of wine - want to invite over for pizza & full bottle, then make move. I feel I have already gotten IOIs. Thoughts?

Post: #3961

Who here can spot the mistakes of our comrade?

WIA

Post: #3962

(01-05-2017 11:23 AM)MaceTyrell Wrote:  Don't want to over analyze but I have two targets I'd like to move on, and wanted the advice here

1. A mid 40s receptionist (has a J lo thing going on; goodness Hispanics age so well) from where I used to work that we bonded over TV shows. Considering rekindling our interaction over FB chat (opening with something TV related), suggesting we meet for a happy hour, and then suggest her place for TV (where I make the move). Thoughts?

Rekindling over Facebook? The second you found something in common you should have tried to swing her for a date. Opening over Facebook period is a horrific idea.

Flirt with her first thing when you see her again and then get her over for something fun.

Quote:2. White girl that works nearby where I live. Have bonded over love of wine - want to invite over for pizza & full bottle, then make move. I feel I have already gotten IOIs. Thoughts?

You haven't built any rapport. You're not inside her head at all. Wine is a shallow topic. You're also giving even less info here than for the one before. Bonding over wine is like bonding over a love of kittens. It's nothing and you might as well be the gay best friend.

This may sound harsh but you have no chance here unless you change the frame of the interaction.

Post: #3963

@MaceTyrell - I am in my late 40s.

@Archie - the mistake is not going direct and putting too much thought into these girls.

1. I don't deal with chicks over 35, unless it is a super lay up. So gaming a mid 40's receptionist is a complete waste of time, she should be chasing you.

2. I assume this girl works at a wine store. I would skip the pizza, try an avoid food on a date. Grab a nice bottle of wine and text her to come to yours.

Other than the P, what else is in it for you?

I have a friend who games old chicks, they ALL have money. He could extort these broads to the fullest, but he has a heart.

ALL these old broads want black men, before you get excited they are plain jane looking.

One of these broads just bought an Aston Martin, to park besides her Maserati. She is 57, bored, lonely and in need of "love".

Florida I hear is rife with these type of ladies.

Post: #3964

Thank you gents

Alright so with 1, I already have the digits so will rekindle there (not sure why I thought FB would be better; having a beta day)

With 2, will follow rudebwoy's suggestion.

Post: #3965

(01-05-2017 07:57 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  I don't know if game develops in any mathematical sense. For me, each level was a change in mindset and priorities.

WIA

I agree. Game isn't linear. You grind for months then outta nowhere in a single night or weekend you're on some next level shit.

Post: #3966

Co-sign on RudeBwoys assessment of the old bish. YOU are the appreciating asset, NOT her. Imagine someone trying to trade shares in a cab company for shares of an automated driving technology company. I'd let her make the move on you, and she will eventually.
With the second scenario, I dont' have much experience with cold/luke-warm pulls with white bishes. Most will act like like a puppy until it's time face the social stigma of going out.
White bishes I've smashed have been those who patronize black establishments, those I see out with mixed kids, or in my social circle somehow.
I guess I just don't speak "Starbucks and Ugg boots" enough to have a meaningful connection.

Post: #3967

(01-05-2017 10:04 AM)Moma Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 07:57 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  I don't know if game develops in any mathematical sense. For me, each level was a change in mindset and priorities.

WIA

The change in mindset can be summed up mathematically just for intellectual fun. However, the danger of boiling it too much down to numbers and equations is that guys go out there and open robotically and focus too much on percentage. The natural and the guy who 'gets it' doesn't care about the percentages, he has fun and eventually everything takes care of itself.

It's like basketball. The guy worrying about taking the perfect shot and messing up his 44 percent field goals will show on the field in his form. The guy who wants to win will take 100 shots and if the last one goes in to win the game, that's all that matters not about his percentage.

So yes, the mindset shift is important.

It really comes down to how you want to measure and define success.

For me, I want to increase the number of opportunities to connect
with 9's and 10's on a consistent basis with less time and effort.

That's a specific goal I can measure and improve. It's a leading indicator
of how well you're going to do. Ideally you want to have more real opportunities
coming to you than you have time to pay attention.

That scenario actually amplifies your game and takes it to another level.

Assuming you've built a solid foundation, game becomes effortless
and individual interactions have more energy regardless of what happens.
No more grinding.

Post: #3968

(01-05-2017 11:23 AM)MaceTyrell Wrote:  Don't want to over analyze but I have two targets I'd like to move on, and wanted the advice here

1. A mid 40s receptionist (has a J lo thing going on; goodness Hispanics age so well) from where I used to work that we bonded over TV shows. Considering rekindling our interaction over FB chat (opening with something TV related), suggesting we meet for a happy hour, and then suggest her place for TV (where I make the move). Thoughts?

2. White girl that works nearby where I live. Have bonded over love of wine - want to invite over for pizza & full bottle, then make move. I feel I have already gotten IOIs. Thoughts?

The TL DR
- you didn't use game in the moment

- it doesn't cost you anything to shoot either of them a text and float a meeting. (I don't know if I would go for a straight to my house kinda thing - because hoes be crazy) So don't hem and haw, just send the texts, and then get right back out there on NEW HOES. These are scratch off tickets, not pussy investments.

- If you manage to get them out, ASSUME that she finds you sexually attractive, but you need to spark the sexual attraction (he's cute vs I want to fuck him right now), get compliance, get her seeking your validation, build trust, close the deal, and be an awesome guy in the morning.

__________________________________

1. You don't have much to lose here in trying to meet up with her, even over facebook...But you also have no leverage.

If the chick is already feeling you, just scratch the lottery ticket.

The natural progression of the drinks date is, "let's drink one more at your/my place, then I gotta kick you out" (lol). One drink and a looser conversation, and she makes you pappas y huevos in the morning.

2. Bonded over wine - the problem here is that you've built comfort and rapport, but haven't told us anything about ATTRACTION.

Was she feeling you? Is that what lead to the wine discussion?
Did you get some attraction signals? (she touches you out of nowhere, she doesn't want the conversation to end)

Run some game?
Get some compliance?
Is she in any way seeking validation from you?
Why isn't she hitting YOU UP?

_______________________________

So in terms of action, your basic instincts are right at this point.

Just send a feeler out and try to make it happen.

But the real problem in both situations is that you've built comfort and rapport before building attraction. So the chicks see you as a homie/friend/lover?

You have no leverage in the situation, you're basically a good product on sale, and she's the buyer.

AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. You can still bang off of that, by meeting up with her, running some game, and making a connection - but it's arguably you running from a deficit because she's choosing to spend time with you.

Game is about being the buyer, she should want to sell you on sex.

Now you hit her up, and she agrees to the date, SEX IS ON THE TABLE. But it's not guaranteed. You still might want to get deeper attraction, flirt, get compliance, build the trust, *insert game sequence here*.

The problem here, is that in contacting her via text/facebook - is that you're depending on her remembering how she *felt* with you - and then accessing that to be receptive to hanging out.

Chicks remember you, but they don't necessarily remember how you make them feel. And if a chick from the club gets a text from you the next day, she's not in the same headspace. And if you finger banged her on the dance floor - she'll remember that and assume you want sex - AND I'M NOT THAT EASY (All woman are like this)

But don't not contact these chicks.

YOU NEVER KNOW. (what's going on in the bird brain of hers)

These chicks might be using Mace Tyrell Dildo's whenever they go home.
I got with a chick that saw me once at a crowded city wide event and saw me later at some other event. (straight stalked me)

So it doesn't hurt you to try both of em.

But the best shot was earlier, and the mindset you needed was to apply some psychology, past your own personality and appearance. Most guys don't realize that a little bit of fat off, a nice hair cut, some cologne, some good shoes - and they're 'cute'. But cute doesn't get her pussy soaking, it just makes her think Boyfriend.

1) With the girl you used to work with - you needed to be the big stud in the office, fucking other chicks in the bathroom, but keeping it discrete ON YOUR END. Let them bitches cackle behind your back.

If Consuela were to ask you , "Me and Sharonda? Naw, we're just friends. ...Just like me and you.. What you think she likes me? like "likes me likes me"" and just play dumb with a smile. (well this is my style, you might have a different one, I just say this to illustrate)

2) With the white girl, if it's a connection but not necessarily an acquaintance or friend - she has to wonder why you aren't hitting on her.

That's the psychology of both chicks in both situations.

I see this cool mf'er, chatting up chicks left and right
WHY AM I LEFT OUT? AM I NOT PRETTY ENOUGH?

Because if these chicks are cute enough for you to consider, they're getting dick offers on the daily. Even the most cackling of the wildebeests that I work with can find a dick to suck.

That's my take at least.

Welcome to the collective.
Moma and Rudebwoy's Black Man Game Options Post is about GAME!

We got enough G's in here that can handle most questions.

And the newbs typically ask good ones that can get us to swap stories and strategies.

WIA

Post: #3969

Hit up #1 over text and we've agreed on a happy hour.

Will game #2. I've gotten IOIs, and we've chatted at length over the past few weeks of me going to the store to buy. I know personal details.

WIA, you're a godsend.

Post: #3970

(01-05-2017 07:18 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 11:23 AM)MaceTyrell Wrote:  Don't want to over analyze but I have two targets I'd like to move on, and wanted the advice here

1. A mid 40s receptionist (has a J lo thing going on; goodness Hispanics age so well) from where I used to work that we bonded over TV shows. Considering rekindling our interaction over FB chat (opening with something TV related), suggesting we meet for a happy hour, and then suggest her place for TV (where I make the move). Thoughts?

2. White girl that works nearby where I live. Have bonded over love of wine - want to invite over for pizza & full bottle, then make move. I feel I have already gotten IOIs. Thoughts?

The TL DR
- you didn't use game in the moment

- it doesn't cost you anything to shoot either of them a text and float a meeting. (I don't know if I would go for a straight to my house kinda thing - because hoes be crazy) So don't hem and haw, just send the texts, and then get right back out there on NEW HOES. These are scratch off tickets, not pussy investments.

- If you manage to get them out, ASSUME that she finds you sexually attractive, but you need to spark the sexual attraction (he's cute vs I want to fuck him right now), get compliance, get her seeking your validation, build trust, close the deal, and be an awesome guy in the morning.

__________________________________

1. You don't have much to lose here in trying to meet up with her, even over facebook...But you also have no leverage.

If the chick is already feeling you, just scratch the lottery ticket.

The natural progression of the drinks date is, "let's drink one more at your/my place, then I gotta kick you out" (lol). One drink and a looser conversation, and she makes you pappas y huevos in the morning.

2. Bonded over wine - the problem here is that you've built comfort and rapport, but haven't told us anything about ATTRACTION.

Was she feeling you? Is that what lead to the wine discussion?
Did you get some attraction signals? (she touches you out of nowhere, she doesn't want the conversation to end)

Run some game?
Get some compliance?
Is she in any way seeking validation from you?
Why isn't she hitting YOU UP?

_______________________________

So in terms of action, your basic instincts are right at this point.

Just send a feeler out and try to make it happen.

But the real problem in both situations is that you've built comfort and rapport before building attraction. So the chicks see you as a homie/friend/lover?

You have no leverage in the situation, you're basically a good product on sale, and she's the buyer.

AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. You can still bang off of that, by meeting up with her, running some game, and making a connection - but it's arguably you running from a deficit because she's choosing to spend time with you.

Game is about being the buyer, she should want to sell you on sex.

Now you hit her up, and she agrees to the date, SEX IS ON THE TABLE. But it's not guaranteed. You still might want to get deeper attraction, flirt, get compliance, build the trust, *insert game sequence here*.

The problem here, is that in contacting her via text/facebook - is that you're depending on her remembering how she *felt* with you - and then accessing that to be receptive to hanging out.

Chicks remember you, but they don't necessarily remember how you make them feel. And if a chick from the club gets a text from you the next day, she's not in the same headspace. And if you finger banged her on the dance floor - she'll remember that and assume you want sex - AND I'M NOT THAT EASY (All woman are like this)

But don't not contact these chicks.

YOU NEVER KNOW. (what's going on in the bird brain of hers)

These chicks might be using Mace Tyrell Dildo's whenever they go home.
I got with a chick that saw me once at a crowded city wide event and saw me later at some other event. (straight stalked me)

So it doesn't hurt you to try both of em.

But the best shot was earlier, and the mindset you needed was to apply some psychology, past your own personality and appearance. Most guys don't realize that a little bit of fat off, a nice hair cut, some cologne, some good shoes - and they're 'cute'. But cute doesn't get her pussy soaking, it just makes her think Boyfriend.

1) With the girl you used to work with - you needed to be the big stud in the office, fucking other chicks in the bathroom, but keeping it discrete ON YOUR END. Let them bitches cackle behind your back.

If Consuela were to ask you , "Me and Sharonda? Naw, we're just friends. ...Just like me and you.. What you think she likes me? like "likes me likes me"" and just play dumb with a smile. (well this is my style, you might have a different one, I just say this to illustrate)

2) With the white girl, if it's a connection but not necessarily an acquaintance or friend - she has to wonder why you aren't hitting on her.

That's the psychology of both chicks in both situations.

I see this cool mf'er, chatting up chicks left and right
WHY AM I LEFT OUT? AM I NOT PRETTY ENOUGH?

Because if these chicks are cute enough for you to consider, they're getting dick offers on the daily. Even the most cackling of the wildebeests that I work with can find a dick to suck.

That's my take at least.

Welcome to the collective.
Moma and Rudebwoy's Black Man Game Options Post is about GAME!

We got enough G's in here that can handle most questions.

And the newbs typically ask good ones that can get us to swap stories and strategies.

WIA

Post: #3971

Also WIA, I particularly like your distinction between "building rapport/comfort" and "building attraction" - I realize now I've been doing much more of the former, and assuming openness to the former as them being "attracted" to me.

I have so much to learn.

Post: #3972

(01-06-2017 07:28 PM)MaceTyrell Wrote:  Also WIA, I particularly like your distinction between "building rapport/comfort" and "building attraction" - I realize now I've been doing much more of the former, and assuming openness to the former as them being "attracted" to me.

I have so much to learn.

Not your fault (but it is your problem)

Society teaches boys to establish rapport and then that rapport builds into sexual attraction. It's how guys end up in the friend zone, and then get used.

It's Friday night, chop game later.

WIA

Post: #3973

I'd like to add to this since I'm in Atlanta and it's about to snow. I believe when a girl sees you she will put you in two categories. The category that she will have sex with you and the category where she won't have sex with you. If your in category 2 I wouldn't even try to change her mind. There are many girls in this world that would put you in category 1.

Once you figure out your in category 1 then you build your rapport and seal the deal. But don't waste your time building rapport with a chick that won't even put you in that category. It's a waste of time majority of the time and will almost never be worth it.

Post: #3974

(01-06-2017 08:47 PM)NewDayNewFace Wrote:  I'd like to add to this since I'm in Atlanta and it's about to snow. I believe when a girl sees you she will put you in two categories. The category that she will have sex with you and the category where she won't have sex with you. If your in category 2 I wouldn't even try to change her mind. There are many girls in this world that would put you in category 1.

Once you figure out your in category 1 then you build your rapport and seal the deal. But don't waste your time building rapport with a chick that won't even put you in that category. It's a waste of time majority of the time and will almost never be worth it.

WIA

Post: #3975

Ok let's have a discussion.

A girl knows if she is attracted to you within the first three seconds of seeing you. That's fact. Instead of going out and "gaming" chicks that may not think you are attractive it's on you to find a chick that's attracted to you and go from there.

If a girl isn't attracted to me I will not waste time getting to know her and build rapport when there is a girl probably right across the room that thinks I'm attractive. In my original post I equate a girl being attracted to you by knowing if they will have sex with you. I say this because I'm confident in my abilities to seal the deal.