Yeah, the energy to maintain a 3 girl harem goes up exponentially for me, the hotter the women are. I think the key is variety. For example, one 8 and two 6s is hard but doable. One 8 but two 7s is like a fulltime job, unless you look much better than myself I suppose. Harem of only 7s and 6s is like cruise control, and allows for plenty of time for other endeavors.

(12-31-2016 10:10 AM)kirdiesel Wrote:  I can consistently pull girls of the 6 and 7 level but rarely the 8 or 9. Maintaining 3 girl harems require lots of time, money and energy. The time I spend maintaining these harems can be better utilized pushing myself career (business/money) wise, and time in the gym... which will all in turn raise my SMV.. making it easier for me to get that 8 or 9 that I really want.

How often do you run into 8/9/10's?

I've seen 2 this year, maybe.

By a man's self-definition, a girl that physically attractive is rare.

WIA

(I love the how to game 8/9/10's topic)

Archie's right, the majority of your game is going to be with 6/7 "cute/bangable" girls. Once you can bang them, it's onto the next level.

My takeaway from all of the HB9 threads? You have to get the experience. Every gorgeous girl you see, you have to approach. If Archie has ran into two 8/9/10's this year, over 10 years, that's 20 reps, 20 data points. Extrapolate and go from there.

That's where I'm at...trying to collect data looking back I've only approached a handful of 8/9/10's in my life and I can't make any correlation. Life goes on, live and learn.

This talk about 8s and 9s does my head in.

For one it seems that guys who say this are putting these girls on a pedestal.

What exactly is a 8 or 9 or 10?

Guys I know who are good with women, don't talk like this.

I am searching for a woman with a great personality, one I can enjoy time with in and out of the bedroom.

Its new year here. Happy new year brothas. Wish you all Great careers, great times, great lives, loving and loyal women, great prospects, and of course, better game.

Paz Hermanos.
O.O.K in real life.

I would love to start a 6-10 discussion here. When I saw the girls posted in the general "5" thread, it low-key stroke my ego as it seems most of my notches were of 6 and above quality.

What constitutes a Dime is entirely subjective. I've seen chicks who would appear to be Dimes only to discover they have no education and bad credit. In my mind, it has to be a total package, maybe a Celebrity, Executive, or a diplomat.

Most guys that rate broads using these numbers will usually rate themselves lower on the scale since they're rating based on physical appearances- something a woman has had all eternity of practice in.

Ratings like this are self defeating.
Then we feel forced to make up for the disparity by either putting the woman down in some way(bow down for me you peasant!) or puffing ourselves up with some bs(Pop owns the Brooklyn Bridge)

None is lasting.

Does it mean we can't have standards? Resounding NO. But Our standards as men should go beyond 1-10.

So what if she's a '5' but is the most loyal, committed and loving chick I ever met?

You want an '8'? An ex video vixen? A VS model?

You'll get it. That's life. But what good will it do you????

(12-31-2016 09:05 PM)El Padrone Wrote:  Most guys that rate broads using these numbers will usually rate themselves lower on the scale since they're rating based on physical appearances- something a woman has had all eternity of practice in.

Ratings like this are self defeating.
Then we feel forced to make up for the disparity by either putting the woman down in some way(bow down for me you peasant!) or puffing ourselves up with some bs(Pop owns the Brooklyn Bridge)

None is lasting.

Does it mean we can't have standards? Resounding NO. But Our standards as men should go beyond 1-10.

So what if she's a '5' but is the most loyal, committed and loving chick I ever met?

You want an '8'? An ex video vixen? A VS model?

You'll get it. That's life. But what good will it do you????

At best it should just be a passing remark. I prefer the Lizard of Oz style descriptions where you're going into to describe the chick in detail. Granted not all of us are that gifted in the use of the English language.

Myself included.

(12-31-2016 08:30 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  What constitutes a Dime is entirely subjective. I've seen chicks who would appear to be Dimes only to discover they have no education and bad credit. In my mind, it has to be a total package, maybe a Celebrity, Executive, or a diplomat.

I feel you on that. Things that look good on the outside, are typically not good on the inside. I LTR'd high grade 3x. (and ltr'd midgrade 2wice). Of the 3 high grades - 2 were majorly fucked up on some levels, and the 3rd - I probably have blocked out her bad shit. With the mid grades, the first was my first love. The 2nd - I should have known better.

Behavior >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looks. And there's just some shit you can't screen for. Some thinks that don't look bad on the surface, but end up driving you crazy.

I think the main issue with guys and 7's vs 10's is (surprise, surprise)...

They DON'T run GAME on 7's, so they CAN'T run game on 10's.

Most guys just use their SMV to do the heavy lifting.

2007-2016 - game was about self improvement. Make yourself better, and she will come.

Game was about applying psychology. Not because you shouldn't improve yourself - but because Game is about not being the best product that she can select - but becoming a buyer yourself.

It's 2017, are things going to turn back to applied psych?

I doubt it.

WIA

(01-01-2017 02:49 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  I think the main issue with guys and 7's vs 10's is (surprise, surprise)...

They DON'T run GAME on 7's, so they CAN'T run game on 10's.

Most guys just use their SMV to do the heavy lifting.

2007-2016 - game was about self improvement. Make yourself better, and she will come.

Game was about applying psychology. Not because you shouldn't improve yourself - but because Game is about not being the best product that she can select - but becoming a buyer yourself.

It's 2017, are things going to turn back to applied psych?

I doubt it.

WIA

This mind set shift to where you really feel that you are the chooser is where things started clicking into place for me and becoming more natural. Before that I'd used techniques that made me appear that way (qualification), but the underlying belief wasn't really there.

On the self-improvement thing, it's a shame so much of the online game community went the way of steroids and penis pumps, instead of technique and applied psychology.

The thing is as well, none of this self improvement stuff was really anything new to me anyway. I grew up in an inner-city area with a large community of Carribbean kids, and we were comparing six packs at 11, and you had to be well groomed and have good fashion otherwise you'd get ripped to shreds. The way some people act like these things changed their lives with women makes me wonder what kind of a mess they were before they found the community.

2017 is about going to the next level in life.

If you're really serious about bringing more attractive girls
into your life then you have to rethink the entire process of
how you do things and what is limiting you.

For some guys it's a matter of mindset and skillset. For others
it's purely location. And for others it comes down to a lack of effort
or time they are willing to invest.

In other words, all the conditions have to be right. Ideally
You want to be around lots of beautiful girls socially and spend less
time "looking" for girls and more time creating assets and wealth.

Your strategy also needs to evolve. For example, Facebook makes it possible to
advertise your business/lifestyle and reach your target market. There's no reason why you can't
start building a social media presence and start doing some advertising to attract the kind of women
you want.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg...there's a ton of things you can do to build
your social network and value so that more attractive (8,9 and 10) women interact with you
by design rather than pure luck or chance.

At the end of the day though, it really comes down to what satisfies you.
lol There's always going to be a woman who's younger or prettier, has a different hair color,
or cup size, waist, personality etc...at some point you have to be happy with who you have....
and appreciate the good lives things in your life.

(12-31-2016 04:18 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(12-31-2016 10:10 AM)kirdiesel Wrote:  I can consistently pull girls of the 6 and 7 level but rarely the 8 or 9. Maintaining 3 girl harems require lots of time, money and energy. The time I spend maintaining these harems can be better utilized pushing myself career (business/money) wise, and time in the gym... which will all in turn raise my SMV.. making it easier for me to get that 8 or 9 that I really want.

How often do you run into 8/9/10's?

I've seen 2 this year, maybe.

By a man's self-definition, a girl that physically attractive is rare.

WIA

When I talk about 8s, 9s and 10s im taking about physical attractiveness... Of course personality is important too but I find it much harder to find a girl who has high level physical attractiveness and a decent personality to match. Finding good personalities is much easier.

I dont see the point of having a "5" with a strong personality... When I drop down in the numbers like that I tend to lose interest in the girl fairly quickly and would end up cheating. Cheating seems to be largely accepted on the forum here but in my next LTR I really want to try to do things right. Get a girl im happy with from the jump, both in personality and in sexual attractiveness.

On my scale girls between the 8s and upper 8s can be found pretty easily at any decent nightclub out here. I mean there arent tons of them on any giving night but 1 or 2 isnt too hard to dig up. 9s and 10s are unicorns. I think ive only slept with one or two 9s in my life.

Anyone have any 2017 game goals?

Direct no bullshit straight to the point game. I got zero time to waste in 2017. You can be soft and sweet as 3y.o. toddler with women and still get flakes and radio silence. I'm like, "so we fuckin or nah?"

(01-01-2017 10:42 AM)Kieran Wrote:  The thing is as well, none of this self improvement stuff was really anything new to me anyway. I grew up in an inner-city area with a large community of Carribbean kids, and we were comparing six packs at 11, and you had to be well groomed and have good fashion otherwise you'd get ripped to shreds. The way some people act like these things changed their lives with women makes me wonder what kind of a mess they were before they found the community.

The bolded is my reality also. The part of London I am from is where the Jamaicans seemed to settle primarily and just growing up, I had to be on point. I mentioned this in one of the podcasts. I had to spit road game from early or risk being accused of gay. Guys were also hitting the gym hard as soon as their testosterone levels spiked to optimal levels.

The conclusion was, although guys weren't necessarily getting a ton of lizards i.e. one new one per week, they were actually anti simp meaning that soft moves in dealing with lizards weren't tolerated or allowed to percolate. A friend of mine who lived in Chelsea took the bus all the way to Peckham (we were around 16 at the time) to confront a lizard who said she was pregnant by him. He knew this was b.s because she was also letting his brother pipe behind his back. Unbeknownst to her, he and his brother were very close and his brother was giving him up to date reports of his sexual encounters with this lizard.

The point is, he was ready to square up and she had her family there (including substantial male members). I am not promoting that sort of behaviour (that level of physical confrontation over accusation) but I am saying that guys these days will address something serious like that entirely over text.

My friend's actions got me thinking about game the other day and some guys get a lot of lizards but at what personal costs? I start to think that perhaps, there should be a balance between how much one concedes regarding principles in order to get the fish (almost like a Pyrrhic victory).

I speak of principles because we all concede to some degree and you can have two extremes. You have the super alpha who will say my way or the highway on everything and is not realistic of the social marketplace, thus ending up forming some sort of Men Going Their Own Way mode and perhaps leaving a lot of poosy on the table or not even getting the poosy on the table to begin with (not poking at that movement, by the way). Also on the other hand, one has the guy that will say and do anything to get the poosy and although he may get a ton of lays, he conceded way too much to let it happen. For instance, if a group of lizards, say 45 of them (all 8's) decide they all want to smash a guy after they fingered his rectal area with three fingers, there are many guys that will allow that to happen and just justify it with "I just smashed 45 8's!".
Yes, factually, those fingered males did smash 45 8's but perhaps one can say that the fingered heterosexual male individual conceded a bit too much in order to get the booty, hence a Pyrrhic victory.
Apologies about that gruesome metaphor but I wanted to drive a point home.

Glossary:

Pyrrhic victory: A victory won at too great cost to have been worth it to the victor.

(01-01-2017 06:32 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  Direct no bullshit straight to the point game. I got zero time to waste in 2017. You can be soft and sweet as 3y.o. toddler with women and still get flakes and radio silence. I'm like, "so we fuckin or nah?"

What's your current game strategy and how long have you been in the game? With your current game strategy, has it changed much over time or has it worked for you? I have been in the game for probably two decades. I didn't know it was actually game until I moved to Toronto. Before that I thought it was just a red blooded male trying to get some poosy and not get played. My style is more casual and laidback. I don't ask a lizard for the sex early. I have low stamina when it comes to listening to reptilian fraff and the number is just a chance for me to eject from the brain fcuk (although many men love dealing with that). Perhaps my thing is to learn how to flush out and detect the intellectual freaks (real intellectuals not those data cram creatures with the mimic degrees). The thing is, when one goes to a club, unless it's a special night, one will end up dealing with drones and clones. Of course, I could be wrong and maybe it's the angle that I am approaching clubs from.
My reasoning for being casual and laidback is that I deal with black lizards primarily (about 99 percent of my take in the past 6 years has been black) and in that community, they encounter so many brothas spitting direct game that I am concerned that strategy may not work in the way I want.
I may get all the crop that is ready to be harvested and just need a firm yank to fall into my basket but there are also tons of crop that just require a lighter tug on a daily basis before they fall in my basket.
The ultimate test is, does the yield from the firm tug (direct game) outweigh the yield from the lighter but regular tugs (medium, hovering game)?
I need to really start taking some active game notes.

P.S. It will be Valentine's soon and lizards are about to fall into your laps, fellas. Valentine's season and back to school season have always been the strongest points for my sort of game.

Game goals

1) build a social funnel - create a low key night at a local establishment that attracts like minded folks. I'm guessing April is when I want it to pop

2) long awaited Latin America trip. I'll have to lose money on my contract to cut it short, but I want to travel for at least three weeks

3) "thin man" style game. Dude basically infiltrates "meet up" style events and low key snipers chicks that way. It's the sort of thing I've done inadvertently, but never on purpose.

Finish writing the
- pamphlet on game
- extended basic
- problems and scenarios
- intermediate

On my bucket list, I'm still trying to bang a judge

WIA

Posted my game goals in another thread. But...

1. Get notches from night game. 14 of my 15 notches have come from social circle game/extended social circle game (by that I mean, getting with a friend of a friend the night I meet them). I still have heavy approach anxiety in night game - I'm actually more comfortable asking for numbers through day game; am I putting the cart before the horse?

2. 3 person harem. White chick, Spanish/black chick, Indian/Asian chick.

More important than these, I have career goals to meet this year that'll exponentially increase my SMV and set me up to be pushing $200k a year by my 30th birthday. That, combined with 6 years of additional game by that point, I should be slaying. 30-33 must be the apex of my game - While it's silly for me to think this far in advance...there's something about the age 34 (which I'm ten years away from) by then, I'll want to find a wife and settle down.

Anyway, looking forward to being a more active contributor to this thread this year.

Reggie Lewis said "why should white guys have all the fun?"

I say "They aren't."

(01-02-2017 10:53 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  3) "thin man" style game. Dude basically infiltrates "meet up" style events and low key snipers chicks that way. It's the sort of thing I've done inadvertently, but never on purpose.

What kind of meetups? I can't imagine WIA playing kickball.

Quote:Finish writing the
- pamphlet on game
- extended basic
- problems and scenarios
- intermediate

Watch out, you've got competition, XXL has started compiling a Q&A website:

https://xxlbase.quora.com/

By thin man style events...you're referring to, like, fashion events you find stylish women at?

If so, good god I'm trying this - I absolutely love fashion & retail (my go to day game approach technique is to compliment a woman on a piece of clothing I legitimately like - I think it works for me because it is not fake interest just for the sake of making conversation, and it has nearly always gotten a favorable response).

And banging a judge? You're slowly becoming my icon on this forum.

Thin Man is a player on a different board. He has a different approach. His style isn't aimed for young guys, who can go with easier routes

WIA

@redbeard

The XXL joint looks great. Me and him have very similar thoughts - and I think that's from going out and seeing what girls are really like.

WIA

(01-02-2017 11:43 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Thin Man is a player on a different board. He has a different approach. His style isn't aimed for young guys, who can go bitch easier routes

WIA

Link?

He's on pua zone, the forum that grew out of the original game forum, alt seduction fast. On that forum, the guys to read are Black Dragon, Gunwitch, Tubaro, and a few others that don't come to mind. Thin Man is easily the most different out of all them.

All game follows the same pattern, all of it.

Man has value
Woman *notices* value
Woman wants value
Man does not let her get it, until...

This is universal, because it's human psychology.

If you watch a mother eat something in front of her baby - the baby wants. It's very noticeable when the baby is ALREADY eating something, drops food, and reaches for this new thing that mother has.

Predictable like cats in boxes.

So Thin Man is all about his particular style, how he shows value and gets a chick to chase. It's very slow boil, very discrete. That makes it useful, because willing sex partners are everywhere - provided that you can make it easy

WIA