(01-02-2017 04:15 AM)Moma Wrote:  

(01-01-2017 06:32 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  Direct no bullshit straight to the point game. I got zero time to waste in 2017. You can be soft and sweet as 3y.o. toddler with women and still get flakes and radio silence. I'm like, "so we fuckin or nah?"

What's your current game strategy and how long have you been in the game? With your current game strategy, has it changed much over time or has it worked for you? I have been in the game for probably two decades. I didn't know it was actually game until I moved to Toronto. Before that I thought it was just a red blooded male trying to get some poosy and not get played. My style is more casual and laidback. I don't ask a lizard for the sex early.

I'm in the same boat. I thought game was a normal part of growing up as a young black man. We aren't afforded many luxuries in life but the pursuit of Poosy is where we can even, if not dominate the playing field. I've been banging chicks for the past 25 years and have only become aware of PUA gorilla style game in the last 10yrs. I'd describe my approach to game as extremely laid back as well. At this point in my life I'm not poosy dependent. I'm not really interested in bedding women that I wouldn't want to spend the next day with. Admittedly, I've been in a live-in LTR for the past few years and I'm just getting back out there. I guess when I say my goal is "Direct Game" I mean, just plain straight-forwardness in every aspect from approaching to determining if she meets my qualifications.

One thing, specifically I'll be doing which I haven't done in the past is expressly qualify women with direct questions. I've always been hesitant to do this because I personally hate being qualified by other people and I don't usually do shit to people that I don't want done to myself.
Now, I'll be qualifying bishes based on intellectual, professional and personal preferences. "Where'd you attend graduate school, what's your 5 year plan?" etc.
I used to downplay my own achievements and intellectual prowess to make other people feel better. Now, if a bish doesn't meet or exceed my achievements, her willingness to submit and please better damn sure make up the difference.

(01-02-2017 12:46 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 04:15 AM)Moma Wrote:  

(01-01-2017 06:32 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  Direct no bullshit straight to the point game. I got zero time to waste in 2017. You can be soft and sweet as 3y.o. toddler with women and still get flakes and radio silence. I'm like, "so we fuckin or nah?"

What's your current game strategy and how long have you been in the game? With your current game strategy, has it changed much over time or has it worked for you? I have been in the game for probably two decades. I didn't know it was actually game until I moved to Toronto. Before that I thought it was just a red blooded male trying to get some poosy and not get played. My style is more casual and laidback. I don't ask a lizard for the sex early.

I'm in the same boat. I thought game was a normal part of growing up as a young black man. We aren't afforded many luxuries in life but the pursuit of Poosy is where we can even, if not dominate the playing field. I've been banging chicks for the past 25 years and have only become aware of PUA gorilla style game in the last 10yrs. I'd describe my approach to game as extremely laid back as well. At this point in my life I'm not poosy dependent. I'm not really interested in bedding women that I wouldn't want to spend the next day with. Admittedly, I've been in a live-in LTR for the past few years and I'm just getting back out there. I guess when I say my goal is "Direct Game" I mean, just plain straight-forwardness in every aspect from approaching to determining if she meets my qualifications.

One thing, specifically I'll be doing which I haven't done in the past is expressly qualify women with direct questions. I've always been hesitant to do this because I personally hate being qualified by other people and I don't usually do shit to people that I don't want done to myself.
Now, I'll be qualifying bishes based on intellectual, professional and personal preferences. "Where'd you attend graduate school, what's your 5 year plan?" etc.
I used to downplay my own achievements and intellectual prowess to make other people feel better. Now, if a bish doesn't meet or exceed my achievements, her willingness to submit and please better damn sure make up the difference.

Will love to see how this works out for you.
We can compare notes in June.

WIA

http://www.westindianarchie.com/yield-to-merge

Jesus WIA - this is the most helpful thing I've read pertinent to developing my night game. Going to try this actively over the coming month and report back with notes.

(01-01-2017 02:49 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(12-31-2016 08:30 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  What constitutes a Dime is entirely subjective. I've seen chicks who would appear to be Dimes only to discover they have no education and bad credit. In my mind, it has to be a total package, maybe a Celebrity, Executive, or a diplomat.

I feel you on that. Things that look good on the outside, are typically not good on the inside. I LTR'd high grade 3x. (and ltr'd midgrade 2wice). Of the 3 high grades - 2 were majorly fucked up on some levels, and the 3rd - I probably have blocked out her bad shit. With the mid grades, the first was my first love. The 2nd - I should have known better.

Behavior >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looks. And there's just some shit you can't screen for. Some thinks that don't look bad on the surface, but end up driving you crazy.

I think the main issue with guys and 7's vs 10's is (surprise, surprise)...

They DON'T run GAME on 7's, so they CAN'T run game on 10's.

Most guys just use their SMV to do the heavy lifting.

2007-2016 - game was about self improvement. Make yourself better, and she will come.

Game was about applying psychology. Not because you shouldn't improve yourself - but because Game is about not being the best product that she can select - but becoming a buyer yourself.

It's 2017, are things going to turn back to applied psych?

I doubt it.

WIA

I actually think game has actually devolved further from even self-improvement into things like simply leveraging genetic factors such as race and height.

Due in part to the fact I think the community has been infiltrated with keyboard jockey's and game denialists.

Rather than me tuck tail and go to where odds are overwhelmingly stacked in my favor, I'd rather figure out what it takes to get the girls I truly want.

(01-02-2017 02:42 PM)MaceTyrell Wrote:  http://www.westindianarchie.com/yield-to-merge

Jesus WIA - this is the most helpful thing I've read pertinent to developing my night game. Going to try this actively over the coming month and report back with notes.

Glad you liked it. 99-05 Game.

Trying to think if I finished that whole series.

WIA

Decent game interview of Alan Roger Currie, the author of Mode One book.
If I don't find a queen, I sear that polyamorous shit is looking more enticing.

(01-02-2017 03:01 PM)the high Wrote:  I actually think game has actually devolved further from even self-improvement into things like simply leveraging genetic factors such as race and height.

Due in part to the fact I think the community has been infiltrated with keyboard jockey's and game denialists.

Rather than me tuck tail and go to where odds are overwhelmingly stacked in my favor, I'd rather figure out what it takes to get the girls I truly want.

Most of the remarkable success stories of guys going abroad -

1) Some guys leveraged their western/exotic factor but they also did a shit load of self development here at home.

2) Other guys invested in learning the language and the culture, and basically put down some roots for more than a couple weeks.

I've only been to Developed Asia, Developed Western Europe, and a smidge of Latin America. There was some exotic factor in all of those places - but it became clear to me that if I truly wanted my experience abroad to remotely resemble what I get at home - I'd have to invest heavily. A week in Lisbon wasn't gonna net me a Nelly Furtado.

Going into the foreign situation, with your American game - can make you a better player - because you have to mostly communicate non-verbally and rely on non-verbal cues that are not culturally specific.

But you gotta be aware that those skills exist.

Some things are universal because they're primal
- using eye contact
- getting up a in chick's face/invading her space
- touch
- making her friends realize you're cool, not a threat to her safety
- getting her away from her hating ass friends to get really acquainted
______________________________________________________

Would I run the "I know this fantasy footballer guy online, and he hasn't been on a date in a decade....and he has his first date next week.." in Lima?

I don't even know how to translate the essence of that bit- because the gender divide punchline might not be culturally on point.

Does "You know your boy, right?" really culturally translate
to "Sabes a tu chico verdad?"

Cause en Engles - You say the phrase, and at the same time you also *drop chin a bit*
*raise one eye brow*
*make eye contact*
*tilt head*
*drag my right hand across my face, down my beard*

That doesn't always translate immediately with non-black people. It probably mentally kicks in later as I go down how fucked up the premise is.

I read maybe 4-5 other forums - and I can see why old school PUA ended up dying.

I'm more confused as to how it even got popular in the first place.

WIA

(01-02-2017 05:18 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 03:01 PM)the high Wrote:  I actually think game has actually devolved further from even self-improvement into things like simply leveraging genetic factors such as race and height.

Due in part to the fact I think the community has been infiltrated with keyboard jockey's and game denialists.

Rather than me tuck tail and go to where odds are overwhelmingly stacked in my favor, I'd rather figure out what it takes to get the girls I truly want.

Most of the remarkable success stories of guys going abroad -

1) Some guys leveraged their western/exotic factor but they also did a shit load of self development here at home.

2) Other guys invested in learning the language and the culture, and basically put down some roots for more than a couple weeks.

I've only been to Developed Asia, Developed Western Europe, and a smidge of Latin America. There was some exotic factor in all of those places - but it became clear to me that if I truly wanted my experience abroad to remotely resemble what I get at home - I'd have to invest heavily. A week in Lisbon wasn't gonna net me a Nelly Furtado.

Going into the foreign situation, with your American game - can make you a better player - because you have to mostly communicate non-verbally and rely on non-verbal cues that are not culturally specific.

But you gotta be aware that those skills exist.

Some things are universal because they're primal
- using eye contact
- getting up a in chick's face/invading her space
- touch
- making her friends realize you're cool, not a threat to her safety
- getting her away from her hating ass friends to get really acquainted
______________________________________________________

Would I run the "I know this fantasy footballer guy online, and he hasn't been on a date in a decade....and he has his first date next week.." in Lima?

I don't even know how to translate the essence of that bit- because the gender divide punchline might not be culturally on point.

Does "You know your boy, right?" really culturally translate
to "Sabes a tu chico verdad?"

Cause en Engles - You say the phrase, and at the same time you also *drop chin a bit*
*raise one eye brow*
*make eye contact*
*tilt head*
*drag my right hand across my face, down my beard*

That doesn't always translate immediately with non-black people. It probably mentally kicks in later as I go down how fucked up the premise is.

I read maybe 4-5 other forums - and I can see why old school PUA ended up dying.

I'm more confused as to how it even got popular in the first place.

WIA

Do you have an opinion on the old school PUA game vs Lifestyle Improvement debate? Which is more important to focus in your opinion.

(01-02-2017 05:34 PM)Iso Wrote:  Do you have an opinion on the old school PUA game vs Lifestyle Improvement debate? Which is more important to focus in your opinion.

It's January. Except for Valentines and St. Patrick's Day - there aren't any real player holidays coming up.

So let's look at 2 strategies

Lifestyle Strategy

I'm going to spend the next 3 months
- in the kitchen working on my diet
- in the gym working on my physique
- working on my side business when i'm not at the gym or in the kitchen

vs

Game Strategy

I'm going to spend the next 3 months
- going to bars and night clubs
- going to happy hours
- going to sunday brunch
- going to social events

When Spring Break hits in April - who's going to be in the best position to take advantage?

Having been in the same club with meatheads and ballers, and I still pull, and they go home to beat the meat.. I know what the answer is from my personal experience.

If you want to fuck women, nothing is better than talking to them.

Me personally, I find a 225 lbs on a bench press to be more intimidating than a chick in some heels and a miniskirt.

I know plenty of guys that warm up with 225 but don't know how to talk to the chick on the elliptical.

WIA

Just read WIA's latest Dime Piece Post

The parts that really struck a chord were these

Quote:Spam the crowd with light game, meet everyone.

Quote:But assuming you’ve been going out a while – you’re not as intimidated as a guy just getting his feet wet- So you step to the broad and run the basic “show them your personality” type game. Spam, Snipe, Persist – whatever.

Any chick can take it or leave it.
Any chick.
The 2 or the 11.
Any chick.

Now that you’ve presented yourself, tried to sell her something – she can choose to buy or not.

She’s the buyer. She remains the buyer.
You may have raised your stock, your worth, your “value” (ugh) – but she’s buying. She’s not in any rush to make a decision.

I talk a lot about social circle game, but I think what really needs to be overstated is that the only way it works is that there is a degree of, how should I put it, rarity inherent to the person running it successfully. Not rarity in that people are rarely successful, but rarity in that the person running it is generally a person that's hard to get a hold of and comes and goes as they please.

They don't work hard to sell themselves. They are just simple there. Tenacity I think is a horrible thing to have when working a club. Tenacity to get the bang when you're almost at the finish line understandable. Tenacity and dedication to going out, of course. But tenacity when working the room just comes across as needy and flattering.

You introduce yourself and what you're about in the easiest way possible. And usually if done correctly that's all you need. If it doesn't work odds are you'll find someone else in the room that will bite if you're a cool dude, and those people you greeted earlier will come up and warm up to you of their own accord.

Simple economics. Competition and the belief in the worth of a product drive up the price. The product shouldn't really have to sell itself that hard to show its value. When was the last time Ferrari or Lamborghini had to sell itself as a high end sports car? It's just a given.

Thinking about it I think that's the one thing that guys who try to run social circle and fail really don't get.

Also this last bit from the post as well that I wanted to talk about separately:

Quote:Just Be Yourself is actually good advice – except for that most guys do not know
1) who they really are,
2) what they really want,
3) how to be themselves around people that are strangers/hostiles/potential mates.

Those are I think the things that need to be achieved to get mastery of the quality of rarity. Once guys figure out themselves they know exactly how to be a high valued person with their thought process and way of life.

(01-02-2017 06:49 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  I talk a lot about social circle game, but I think what really needs to be overstated is that the only way it works is that there is a degree of, how should I put it, rarity inherent to the person running it successfully. Not rarity in that people are rarely successful, but rarity in that the person running it is generally a person that's hard to get a hold of and comes and goes as they please.

Interesting perspective.

Thief in the night game!
"That guy is cool."

Lemme try to adapt what you're saying about being a friendly to what I've learned

1) Tyler once had a bit about meeting everyone in the club early in the night - and not running any kind of game what's so ever. Hi and Bye, My name is...

And at the end of the night, you basically can cash in - because she remembers your face, maybe not your name, maybe not that you creeped her out - there's just this vague memory. You're "familiar"

So this second approach is a proper one, and in her mind, you're no longer a "stranger". And that underlying thing in her head - makes it easier to run your game. Especially if you act like the previous meeting was all good. She just mirrors you emotionally, and often with your body language.

2) When I started, I never reapproached chicks at the club. And if you live in a "small" town, like Houston, even with 4 million people - if you're young and you go out - you're going go to the same 10-12 clubs, the same 10-12 after hour spots, the same movie theaters...

So these chicks I saw at the club, or elsewhere, I'd open when I saw em.
And I remembered that they didn't really cut for me on Montrose, but in the Mall - it was something else. Like why is this chick cool with me NOW.

False Familiarity is what i've always called it.

I think what you're saying about your game and what Tyler said about reapproach right then - operates on
a) The interpersonal/Jedi Mind Tricks aspect of game - where you're fucking with how her brain processes and taking advantage of that
b) Social circle game

(01-02-2017 06:49 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  They don't work hard to sell themselves. They are just simple there. Tenacity I think is a horrible thing to have when working a club. Tenacity to get the bang when you're almost at the finish line understandable. Tenacity and dedication to going out, of course. But tenacity when working the room just comes across as needy and flattering.

I go both ways on that. I know guys that do it on purpose and others know that they're doing it on purpose - but the guy ends up being so personable - that it's cool.

(01-02-2017 06:49 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  You introduce yourself and what you're about in the easiest way possible. And usually if done correctly that's all you need. If it doesn't work odds are you'll find someone else in the room that will bite if you're a cool dude, and those people you greeted earlier will come up and warm up to you of their own accord.

Yup, this is my life in a nutshell.

Indeed, I have a very "let's ask that stranger for directions" face.

(01-02-2017 06:49 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  Simple economics. Competition and the belief in the worth of a product drive up the price. The product shouldn't really have to sell itself that hard to show its value. When was the last time Ferrari or Lamborghini had to sell itself as a high end sports car? It's just a given.

Thinking about it I think that's the one thing that guys who try to run social circle and fail really don't get.

Indeed, but I got to hand it to you Comte - this is really some deeper level stuff.

I think guys that think social circle game - come at it in terms of "networking". When it should be "friend making".

(01-02-2017 06:49 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  Also this last bit from the post as well that I wanted to talk about separately:

Quote:Just Be Yourself is actually good advice – except for that most guys do not know
1) who they really are,
2) what they really want,
3) how to be themselves around people that are strangers/hostiles/potential mates.

Those are I think the things that need to be achieved to get mastery of the quality of rarity. Once guys figure out themselves they know exactly how to be a high valued person with their thought process and way of life.

This is a lifelong thing.

And having spent the holidays with people that are 80+ - these folks are truly themselves and don't give a fuck - but that's not necessarily a good thing for game. It's like a de-evolution to being a bratty 4 year old. Hissy fits and all.

Good shit.

WIA

(01-02-2017 07:44 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Interesting perspective.

Thief in the night game!
"That guy is cool."

Lemme try to adapt what you're saying about being a friendly to what I've learned

1) Tyler once had a bit about meeting everyone in the club early in the night - and not running any kind of game what's so ever. Hi and Bye, My name is...

And at the end of the night, you basically can cash in - because she remembers your face, maybe not your name, maybe not that you creeped her out - there's just this vague memory. You're "familiar"

So this second approach is a proper one, and in her mind, you're no longer a "stranger". And that underlying thing in her head - makes it easier to run your game. Especially if you act like the previous meeting was all good. She just mirrors you emotionally, and often with your body language.

2) When I started, I never reapproached chicks at the club. And if you live in a "small" town, like Houston, even with 4 million people - if you're young and you go out - you're going go to the same 10-12 clubs, the same 10-12 after hour spots, the same movie theaters...

So these chicks I saw at the club, or elsewhere, I'd open when I saw em.
And I remembered that they didn't really cut for me on Montrose, but in the Mall - it was something else. Like why is this chick cool with me NOW.

False Familiarity is what i've always called it.

I think what you're saying about your game and what Tyler said about reapproach right then - operates on
a) The interpersonal/Jedi Mind Tricks aspect of game - where you're fucking with how her brain processes and taking advantage of that
b) Social circle game

On Point 1, I don't really agree with Tyler. I feel that when you're opening any set there should be something that they like about you. They should grasp at some straws as to who you are.

It's kind of like that theory that all girls want that "cool guy", but then start to fill in the rest of the qualities of the guy that they fall for.

There should be enough information for a set to process a guy as interesting. Hi and Bye isn't usually enough of a product for people to chew on. I think I've mentioned this before, but one example being that I call out to people and ask if they were at X or Y party before then starting up a conversation on a related topic with the group. Then proceeding to leave when it starts to get a bit dull.

Once they see you talking to everyone they'll come back because of the idea I've planted that I actually do see and talk to a lot of people, thereby making me not just interesting but cool.



On Point 2. Oh most definitely seen this happen. A friend introduces me in passing to a girl at his party. I'm close with him and she's close with him. Therefore next time she sees me. She singles me out then runs up and hugs me before she does anything else at the club I'm at with other people.

Girls most definitely get receptive especially if they think you're more familiar than everyone else. If anything it helps me out as any strange action that breaks the status quo like that does not go unnoticed in place that's almost as routine as a bar or night club.



And on False Familiarity, girls have this 6th sense for social situations. It's weird. I treat any interaction in a public situation where sex is on a table as a spectacle. Once girls notice the irregularity associated with a guy they tend to zero in on him. It could even be as something as irregular as a VIP lanyard around your neck. You'd be surprised how many times a girl will open you in the regular section with a "How did you get that?????!!!!" and implicitly get asked with that former question "What are you doing walking around with the commoners that don't have that lanyard?".

Couple familiarity and social circle with that cocktail, and it's hard NOT to get laid that night.

Quote:I go both ways on that. I know guys that do it on purpose and others know that they're doing it on purpose - but the guy ends up being so personable - that it's cool.

I think that's more of a thing where they're still not trying to do that. It's just a part of who they are which goes down to the last bit about being who you are. They know being who they are is someone that tries hard to sell themselves so why fight it?

And it comes off to a degree effortless. They sell themselves hard, but it works 99.99% of the time. Because everyone is buying it why shouldn't the person being sold it.

Quote:Yup, this is my life in a nutshell.

Indeed, I have a very "let's ask that stranger for directions" face.

Great way of putting it. Being lost and not knowing where the party is usually ends up resulting in a party of its own. I've magicked an after party together just by getting a bunch of strangers talking to each other.

Quote:Indeed, but I got to hand it to you Comte - this is really some deeper level stuff.

I think guys that think social circle game - come at it in terms of "networking". When it should be "friend making".

That's why social circles are strangely enough one of those things women effortlessly form among themselves as they're generally much more emotionally fluid, and is almost alien to a lot of guys who aren't to a degree social savants because of this.

It's an almost conscious effort to get a bunch of guys together with a bit of faith thrown in. Though it's harder to throw it off wack for dudes as women are again more emotionally fluid.

Quote:This is a lifelong thing.

And having spent the holidays with people that are 80+ - these folks are truly themselves and don't give a fuck - but that's not necessarily a good thing for game. It's like a de-evolution to being a bratty 4 year old. Hissy fits and all.

Good shit.

Kind of why I dig the self-improvement side of the forum a bit. I need to work on my inner philosophy and inner game quite a bit still. Keeps the bratty attitude and of doing what you want cause you're you at bay.

A lot of the coolest dudes/Number Ones in a social circle also thrive off drama for this reason. They're so fine with doing what they want that they end up causing rifts and need Number 2 or 3 in the group to mediate.

(01-02-2017 04:01 AM)Moma Wrote:  I speak of principles because we all concede to some degree and you can have two extremes. You have the super alpha who will say my way or the highway on everything and is not realistic of the social marketplace, thus ending up forming some sort of Men Going Their Own Way mode and perhaps leaving a lot of poosy on the table or not even getting the poosy on the table to begin with (not poking at that movement, by the way). Also on the other hand, one has the guy that will say and do anything to get the poosy and although he may get a ton of lays, he conceded way too much to let it happen. For instance, if a group of lizards, say 45 of them (all 8's) decide they all want to smash a guy after they fingered his rectal area with three fingers, there are many guys that will allow that to happen and just justify it with "I just smashed 45 8's!".
Yes, factually, those fingered males did smash 45 8's but perhaps one can say that the fingered heterosexual male individual conceded a bit too much in order to get the booty, hence a Pyrrhic victory.
Apologies about that gruesome metaphor but I wanted to drive a point home.

Glossary:

Pyrrhic victory: A victory won at too great cost to have been worth it to the victor.

As the game evolves, it seems you have to give a lot more than 3 fingers up your arse sometimes.

I find anytime I travel, dealings with women seem to move more fluid.

I obviously am the same person, so it cannot be me of course.

So I'm currently dating 2 black women right now in LA. One 21 yr old I'd say she's a 6 or 7 depending on what she's wearing. Apparently she's been motivated to start working out more since she started getting with me telling me she's in the campus gym now doing squats. She's not overweight she's got a normal build if anything a bit slender but she doesn't have the ass and tits like a thick girl. She's kinda ditzy and a feminist but she fucks with me so whatever. Actually I think she's bouta start falling for me since we had so much fun on NYE.

The other girl is a 30 yr old that is definitely thick with an enormous ass. My gawd her ass is what drew me to her in the club and her ass was so fat it was literally the first time in my entire life I thought my dick might not be big enough for the bitch I'm fucking. Ass so fat when I was smashing from the back I didn't have enough length to fully penetrate before her enormous ass stopped me and I'm just under 7 inches and have been told by almost every girl I'm big. Anyway this chick is a little overweight too unfortunately to go with the fat ass and tits and I told her she needs to hit the gym the very first time I met her lol. But she looks great in clothes and not over my threshold as far as weight. She'd be an 8 if she lost the stomach but she's showing signs of age. Without makeup and butt naked she's a 6. With makeup and clothes she's a 7. With weight loss she'd be a 7 or 8.

I have no issue dating multiple 6-7 level chicks right now and occasionally banging an 8 or up. I haven't been going out as much as I have been due to my busy job and dealing with a few issues with my financial situation. Maybe in a month or two when my shit is more in order I'll go out more and focus on getting hotter girls but the girls I'm with now are somewhat chill personality wise and still get my dick hard. Plus I always talk to hot girls when I'm out regardless so my game is still somewhat sharp. Shit when I was with the 21 yr old the other night I cold approached an 8 while she was in the bathroom out of sheer boredom and was chatting her up I could have got the number if my chick didn't come back so soon.



Also as a side note: Why the FUCK do I attract so many women with boyfriends? I swear to God i'm gonna get my ass beat one day fucking with these taken chicks. On NYE I was with my friends and we were at a party with an acquaintance I know through my friends. Girl is a sexy thick Asian chick but has a bf. Legit 8 or 9 IMO. Anyway I didn't remember til the next morning but I was flirting hardcore with this chick right in front of her boyfriend I mean hardcore kino and holding each other and shit. I'm just naturally touchy feely like that but I'm surprised the boyfriend didn't say something. Maybe he was plotting on me cuz that shit would NOT fly if it was my gf. I even have a reputation of stealing dude's girls in one of my social circles (long story) and it's so fucking weird. I gotta be putting out some type of invisible radio signal to girls in relationships or something cuz I've often attracted girls with boyfriends while I couldn't bag a single chick it's so weird. And now that I'm getting a bit older it's a little off putting if only for the sake of my reputation. Don't wanna be known as a homewrecker or burn bridges but when I get drunk I legit just don't care. I see what I want and I go for it.

(01-02-2017 08:59 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  As the game evolves, it seems you have to give a lot more than 3 fingers up your arse sometimes.

I find anytime I travel, dealings with women seem to move more fluid.

I obviously am the same person, so it cannot be me of course.

Well, we already know how that story goes. There is a reason why there are zero epic sexual datasheets on your city...

I was thinking about it and those of us who are active in the field should start an honest game log just to show progression. This is not to detail successes but to show real life obstacles and shake the mystique of game for those who are not yet to actually go out on the field.

(01-03-2017 03:32 AM)Moma Wrote:  I was thinking about it and those of us who are active in the field should start an honest game log just to show progression. This is not to detail successes but to show real life obstacles and shake the mystique of game for those who are not yet to actually go out on the field.

This sounds like a great idea. I'm a newbie trying to do night game solo and without drinking, and I'm having a hard time imagining what a night out lasting several hours looks like. Infield videos on YouTube seem to only show the beginning of interactions that go really well, which is no help to me at the moment.

I'm sure I'd find out for myself if I keep at this, but reading the experiences of the guys here could speed up my learning process.

(01-03-2017 04:22 AM)Corollary Wrote:  This sounds like a great idea. I'm a newbie trying to do night game solo and without drinking, and I'm having a hard time imagining what a night out lasting several hours looks like. Infield videos on YouTube seem to only show the beginning of interactions that go really well, which is no help to me at the moment.

I'm sure I'd find out for myself if I keep at this, but reading the experiences of the guys here could speed up my learning process.

I usually go out solo most nights so I am with you on this. I can't be bothered to drink, it doesn't make much difference to my game anymore. If I decide in my mind that I want to approach, I can approach all night and not give a fcuk. To some lizards, a solo guy out in the club can seem creepy so I tell them I am very new in town or I was supposed to meet some friends and they disappeared because one of them had an episode.

I can also pretend that I am drunk, not necessarily by staggering but just say I control my liquor well so that it appeases their thoughts on why a guy is out solo on the prowl.

(12-30-2016 04:01 PM)Carmichael Reid Wrote:  "I rather be a wise uncle than a beaten father."

I like the way you think!!!

(01-03-2017 03:32 AM)Moma Wrote:  I was thinking about it and those of us who are active in the field should start an honest game log just to show progression. This is not to detail successes but to show real life obstacles and shake the mystique of game for those who are not yet to actually go out on the field.

I really actually do want to start cataloging the nights I go out on. The problem being I do some really dumb and stupid shit on a night out that I kind of don't want to share. As in common sense you really shouldn't have done that kind of shit even on booze. And that doesn't even include the stuff with women.

Got a look like an on paper "alpha"

(01-03-2017 04:04 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  I really actually do want to start cataloging the nights I go out on. The problem being I do some really dumb and stupid shit on a night out that I kind of don't want to share. As in common sense you really shouldn't have done that kind of shit even on booze. And that doesn't even include the stuff with women.

Got a look like an on paper "alpha"

Just summarise the useful parts and clean it up for the 'camera'!

Proper field reports shield the writer and the ladies involved.

In light of them boys that for convicted off of what they said on a competing entity's forum - ask yourself how what you're saying online would read in court.

WIA - I did the bit about Beyonce and Jay and the Becky with the good hair and the whole crew was eating it up. Made some friends. Ended up making a good connection with the chick. We'll see where that goes.

Red Pill Mouth breather - I MET THIS BITCH AT CHUMLEY'S .WE WERE SO FUCKING WASTED. MANUELA WAS GIVING ME LMR, BUT I ALPHA'D THAT SHIT BRO.

Read some of these trip reports like a feminist prosecutor or a some bitter "alpha widow" - and you should rethink your writing.

And usually, the important part of the field report is

- I said/did this,
- In particular way
- and she responded favorably

Or this happened, and I don't understand what happened.

Dudes have been burned offline for being too descriptive online.

And the last thing, when you run game properly, the girl naturally wants to spend time with you. She's not going to need to be drunk, no LMR, nor want to fuck you over in the morning because she feels hurt, or because her girlfriends put her up to it.

Girls like sex, they love it. Game is figuring out how to make that happen for her and you.

WIA

(12-31-2016 10:10 AM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

(12-28-2016 08:08 PM)Ogunn Wrote:  

(12-28-2016 02:56 PM)MaceTyrell Wrote:  I too am aiming for a 3 person harem. There's just something about that number that sounds comforting.

In the past I never planned out the 3 girl rotation. It just kind of happened then I noticed the patterns.

I have had multiple 3 girl harems (not bragging) and here is my recent take on it:

I can consistently pull girls of the 6 and 7 level but rarely the 8 or 9. Maintaining 3 girl harems require lots of time, money and energy. The time I spend maintaining these harems can be better utilized pushing myself career (business/money) wise, and time in the gym... which will all in turn raise my SMV.. making it easier for me to get that 8 or 9 that I really want.

in the last few months of 2016 I got rid of my harem and am now down to one single 7 plate who is so far reliable enough to have sex on a regular basis without stressing me for a relationship and at the same time giving me enough time to pursue the goals I really want to achieve.

I said this before in another thread and ill say it here..

At a certain point 6s and 7s don't even count as a notch anymore.

Since this is New Years Eve... I think thats my best advice for all the brothers here going into 2017.

Every time I have messed with just one woman at a time. I always let myself get caught up. Even when we started out casual, the girl always tries to take it to the next level. If she was a 7 or above, had a cool personality and I had nothing else going on. She would reel me into her frame.

Fast forward several weeks to a couple of months later. I would wake up from my poosy induced daze. Usually around the time she says or does something so stupid or ghetto that I ask myself "Why am I with this dum bish?" Then I see her naked and I am like "Oh yeah thats why!"

I know I should break it off, but I have gotten lazy. I havent gamed since we started hitting the sheets regularly. I got nothing else in the pipeline so I make excuses to myself why I should stay.

Eventually we break up and it sucks!!! Even though I know there was no future I feel bad and my emotions are raw. I realize all these feelings are a result of just how needy and reactive I had become.

The only solution I have ever found is to keep going out and meeting new women so one girl does not become my focus.

How does everyone else keep this from happening?

You have essentially answered your own question.

I do the same thing as you. I keep moving in order to stay focused. The minute you stop gaming and meeting other girls is the minute you gotta watch to make sure you aren't getting lazy or slipping.

I dunno if it if that easy.

Like losing weight, making money - it's not the lack of knowledge, it's not that the goal past desirable - it's that a man is fighting his essential nature by resisting the pair bond.

It's you against your brain chemistry.

It's very easy to get used to dealing with one chick for various reasons. You need something like a job or some legit higher calling to take you away from the easy life of just having her come over - versus hitting them streets in the depths of winter.

"What am I, your winter boyfriend now?"

All a chick hears is boyfriend, and she can relax on keeping herself super tight for a few months.

Every day I think this game is far deeper than I realize. The player wants to use her natural urges, but keep his own in check.

A recovering alcoholic working as a bartender

WIA