(05-16-2017 07:28 AM)goncalo999 Wrote:  I am Portuguese and I never felt bad attitude from Spanish Girls, and I have been in Spain like 30 times in the last 4 years for gaming.. On the other hand, I experienced it in Lisbon.. I guess girls are nowadays more bitchy and egocentric then ever, which results on being arrogant to their fellow countrymen.

Regarding Poland, lol so easy.. Polish girls still have that "I've got beaten on the 2WW so please don't hurt me anymore" attitude which leads to be "obedient" towards foreigns. At the same time, they are genuine and kind. Really easy for us to talk to Polish girls

I think that it is a universal phenomenon: women are arrogant to their fellow countrymen, WHEREVER. Being exotic increases your attractiveness by the same logic...

(05-16-2017 07:28 AM)goncalo999 Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 04:36 PM)eck Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 04:50 AM)Naughty_Boy Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 06:15 AM)eck Wrote:  Any more experiences that match the one of Giacomo?

I'm going to spend next year as an Erasmus in Lublín and I'm going to rely on daygame mostly. According to tom torero, 1 number out of 10 approaches is begginer's level, at least I hope to reach that..

You said that it is not in their culture, but where daygame is something normal in a culture? It's always going to be a bit awkward

What is you ethnicitiy? I can almost guarantee you that you will have a blast in Lublin but dont only focus on daygame. It is a 2nd tier city in the poorer east in Poland with a lot less foreigners than Warszaw, Krakow or Wroclaw

I'm a 1'67 m muscular tanned guy from Spain. For me height is not an issue, but I'm realistic and I know the effect on girls of that. I have no problems with socialising or approaching girls, I'm used to the horrible attitude that Spanish chicks have. I'm more interested in investing in myself rather than chasing women right now.

There is a myth about the easiness of polish women referring to Spaniards, but I have to check that by myself. Maybe Lublin is not destroyed by thirsty Spanish,....yet.

I am Portuguese and I never felt bad attitude from Spanish Girls, and I have been in Spain like 30 times in the last 4 years for gaming.. On the other hand, I experienced it in Lisbon.. I guess girls are nowadays more bitchy and egocentric then ever, which results on being arrogant to their fellow countrymen.

Regarding Poland, lol so easy.. Polish girls still have that "I've got beaten on the 2WW so please don't hurt me anymore" attitude which leads to be "obedient" towards foreigns. At the same time, they are genuine and kind. Really easy for us to talk to Polish girls

I used to have the same feeling as you 10, 5, or even 3 years ago...hell, even not so long I think my Spanish notch count was superior to my native Portuguese one. But I don't know if it is because nowadays in my early 30s I feel exactly the opposite about Spanish women, they are getting worst by each passing day (even in the MILF category), and on the contrary (at least to me) Portuguese women are having much better attitudes than before.

Polish girls have been a tough nut to crack though. For me they are worst than any other Western European chicks. I will take a Swedish or Dutch chick over them any day.

Just a personal opinion, not a general observation.

(05-16-2017 05:28 PM)Rocha Wrote:  Polish girls have been a tough nut to crack though. For me they are worst than any other Western European chicks. I will take a Swedish or Dutch chick over them any day.

Just a personal opinion, not a general observation.

I have dated over 20 Polish girls in London and banged only 1. All of them had shitty attitudes. Polish girls have the worst lays statistics in my book. I don't really understand why guys are after Polish girls. They are the worst looking Slavs and the most difficult.
This is the opinion of a guy who does not beat around the bush or follow any 3 dates rule, but always goes for the bang on the first meeting with success rate over 70%.

(05-16-2017 07:40 PM)apolis Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 05:28 PM)Rocha Wrote:  Polish girls have been a tough nut to crack though. For me they are worst than any other Western European chicks. I will take a Swedish or Dutch chick over them any day.

Just a personal opinion, not a general observation.

I have dated over 20 Polish girls in London and banged only 1. All of them had shitty attitudes. Polish girls have the worst lays statistics in my book. I don't really understand why guys are after Polish girls. They are the worst looking Slavs and the most difficult.
This is the opinion of a guy who does not beat around the bush or follow any 3 dates rule, but always goes for the bang on the first meeting with success rate over 70%.

Which ethnicity are you? If you are a foreigner that might make a big difference.

Polish girls in London and other big foreign cities are a bit different to ones that stay in Poland, they often develop attitudes much like the local girls which you wont find often when they're in their home country.

So if you haven't actually dated Polish girls IN POLAND then your experience may be pretty different to guys who have operated in Poland.

(05-17-2017 07:18 AM)_Samo_ Wrote:  Polish girls in London and other big foreign cities are a bit different to ones that stay in Poland, they often develop attitudes much like the local girls which you wont find often when they're in their home country.

Yeah, they believe they have gone from rags to riches and now they are better than all their Polish mates back on the dirt farm just because they could afford a Ryan air ticket.

(05-17-2017 07:18 AM)_Samo_ Wrote:  Polish girls in London and other big foreign cities are a bit different to ones that stay in Poland, they often develop attitudes much like the local girls which you wont find often when they're in their home country.

So if you haven't actually dated Polish girls IN POLAND then your experience may be pretty different to guys who have operated in Poland.

If you think dating Polish women abroad is harder than in Poland you're in for a big surprise.

Strangely I didn't deal with any Polish girl when I was living in the UK, however the "attitude" of girls over there is much better than the ones in Poland, in the sense that if you are a good looking guy with game and money, you won't have any issue with foreign girls in UK, Polish or not. Remember epic times in clubs, ONS, great fun in UK. Thinking to move back to check out what's going on. So as Pointer mentioned, be prepared for a surprise.
As a reminder:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...shows.html

Alright... Now you're definitely trolling.

A couple of observations: cockblocking from female friends lately is unbelievable; even if a girl is into you, you will always see her friend/s looking after her and following her wherever she goes. I tried to talk and make jokes also with female friends, but not much changed. Apparently they are jealous that her friend has been approached by a decent lad. Arduous to find girls who behave indipendently, last one for me was a few days ago, she was from West, left her friends for spending time with me and we had a very good night together. Doesn't happen usually with Polish. Secondly: yesterday we went into a topic of fashion with a girl and she clearly told me: I don't care how guys dress. Arduous to make the difference in a similar environment where all guys look the same according to these girls not being able to "select" the best one. Looking forward to come back to Ukraine very soon.

(05-18-2017 02:00 AM)Giacomo Casanova Wrote:  A couple of observations: cockblocking from female friends lately is unbelievable; even if a girl is into you, you will always see her friend/s looking after her and following her wherever she goes. I tried to talk and make jokes also with female friends, but not much changed. Apparently they are jealous that her friend has been approached by a decent lad. Arduous to find girls who behave indipendently, last one for me was a few days ago, she was from West, left her friends for spending time with me and we had a very good night together. Doesn't happen usually with Polish. Secondly: yesterday we went into a topic of fashion with a girl and she clearly told me: I don't care how guys dress. Arduous to make the difference in a similar environment where all guys look the same according to these girls not being able to "select" the best one. Looking forward to come back to Ukraine very soon.

Definetly disagree. I never experienced cockblocking in Poland, it even happened that her friends suggested to leave me with the girl alone. Maybe its just Krakow or you. Maybe you have a big player aura around you Neither way it makes no sense to me complaining the whole time in the Poland Thread if you want to leave it anyway. If the environment doesnt suit you anymore then just leave^^

For me it is like a goldmine in comparison to Germany, Canada or the UK but I speak the language fluently

We are reporting observations and insights from the ground that might help to get a clear picture if someone is still dreaming about Poland. So it is not "complains", but we are just telling that nowadays some polish cities are a lot more arduous than many cities in West, analyzing the details. Someone mentioned the behavior of Polish girls in UK and I just underline that London for example is a lot better if you want to enjoy a playboy lifestyle, despite a small drop in terms of average quality. Here you have the horny male tourists and foreigners, in London contraririly plenty of female tourists and residents from various countries. Tell me what is better...

(05-18-2017 03:51 AM)Giacomo Casanova Wrote:  We are reporting observations and insights from the ground that might help to get a clear picture if someone is still dreaming about Poland.

No, you are reporting your subjective experience, other people 'on the ground' have the same views as yours, yet many others don't.

No matter how much you bitch and whine, some people have a different experience than yours.

Then your answer to that is "I don't believe it! They're lying! If I'm having a hard time then eeeeeverybody does, period!"

Confirmed troll. On ignore list from here on out.

I lived in London:

Its 3 times more expensive
Logistics are totally fucked up
The girls are 2 points uglier in general
For higher talent you will compete with Billionaires, tall jacked meatheads or self proclaimed Street Game PUA s

But everyone needs to make his own experiences...

A thought experiment;

Perhaps those who demonstrate wealth, have maximised their looks and perfected their game etc are having more success with girls living in western countries because those girls for the most part only care about wealth, looks, and game applies to their enfeebled minds. And NSA sex is an aspect of the culture so everyone is part and parcel fulfilling their roles in society. Girls ride the carousel, men are the shiny horses.

While I don't doubt that many girls in Poland also place wealth and looks highly, and game can have the desired effect (Good game is game adapted accordingly area of the world be damned), it's not a part of the culture to be promiscuous so you've got girls inherently staying clear of any guy that represents a mere tryst.

Then we move onto friend culture. We've already discussed that western countries engage in promiscuity and Poland does not, leading to a "Go for it girl" vs "Don't do anything stupid", but on top of that Polish female circles are much tighter so it's not just "Don't do anything stupid" but "We're not going to let each other do anything stupid". Western girls care little for whether their friend actually scores or not, so neither encourage nor intervene. Unless the guy has awkward idiosyncrasies and/or is ugly of course, in which case we're moving onto primal reactions.

In the past it was fine, girls weren't clued in on the sexual aggression and thirst of males outside the local flora and fauna (which was rarely found in this demographic anyway) - Hence why no issues were found. As a result the naivety gave the bangs. It also goes without saying that wealth was a lot stronger a variable then, so if it wasn't naivety it was hypnosis on a monetary basis.

Back then it was- "A well-dressed man, who demonstrates financial security why not? He doesn't speak Polish? Oh, it's a difficult language anyway and besides I not only get to experience novelty but can have a little fun trying to speak what I know. Maybe I'll learn some new words!". Whether it was a first nighter, or after a few days, sex was the result of charm and excitement. She got to tell her friends about the cool foreigner she met, and the other girls will coo and ahh.

Now? Pretty much every girl who goes out at least once a month, and is above the age of 25 has been approached by such a guy - No novelty. The same lack of Polish, meanwhile English is heard and read all over the Rynek. All trying to go for a first night lay, so it's not exciting nor charming - simply the expectations. Displaying wealth as if they're a king in medieval times, because they think Poland is a poor country. All style no substance. "That time I met a foreigner" turns into "The night I had 10 foreigners start talking to me/dancing with me".

"What? Only 10?"

TL;DR

-Western women work perhaps better for certain guys because said guys exhibit traits the girls know they want and chase said guys to acquire said guys
-Their friends are too wrapped up in their own dick chasing to care and cockblock you/protect their friend from doing something she "might regret" (In quotations because we know girls very rarely have post coitus regret).
-Thirsty guys have been commonplace locally for over a decade now, so thirsty tourists fit in well.

-Polish women care less and less for said things, and have tighter groups who have their back.
-Locals are not thirsty so the large influx of tourists who are are prominent, noticed and talked of often; raising awareness and subsequent avoidance of such characters.

It doesn't matter if you're not a typical thirsty tourist. The moment English departs from your mouth, there's a high likelihood you'll be lumped in with them automatically and spurned.

I personally know a 50 years old Italian guy who lives in Krakow and has been visiting Poland since 1998, he basically told me same things Anti Mediocrity said in his post.

He also told me that main problem of daygame is that flakes are common because girls think that you are doing the same thing with every girls in the city, so they just give the contact in order to appear polite.

Situation can change when you receive a strong IOI, but it can also be that the girl has already a boyfriend and Will not cheat on him or she is just having fun flirting for the sake of it

I receive IOIs on a daily basis by at least 10-15 girls on the street and some girls even told me that I am handsome in a very straightforward way but I got discouraged by the flakes after I took a bunch of numbers...

Got a 3 day ban for calling out Giacomo, cant count the amount of posts I have erased after writing out cause I knew i was being baited into some petty ass shit, made one slip up, i wont be replying to this guy ever again.

On another note, my girlfriend has just got home and told me she got approached (again, it happened yesterday too) so she has been daygamed two days in a row, pretty funny, I wonder how many times it will happen this summer considering I live in the Wroclaw Rynek. Both occasions in english, so yeah if you were daygaming tonight around 21:00 - 22:00 in wroclaw rynek, show yourself, im curious

^ Ha. During the Neil Strauss craze my girlfriend at the time got approach Mystery Method style in Krakow, while she was with her girl friend. Dude negged. They told him "that's not a way to speak to a woman, especially to a person you just met", and walked away. The "me do what internet sayz" approach robots usually have a rough time

I got the same suspension. I'll just let him go on about how horrible EE is and how great the West is from here on out.

(05-17-2017 06:35 PM)Giacomo Casanova Wrote:  Strangely I didn't deal with any Polish girl when I was living in the UK, however the "attitude" of girls over there is much better than the ones in Poland, in the sense that if you are a good looking guy with game and money, you won't have any issue with foreign girls in UK, Polish or not. Remember epic times in clubs, ONS, great fun in UK. Thinking to move back to check out what's going on. So as Pointer mentioned, be prepared for a surprise.
As a reminder:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...shows.html

While it's true that Polish women unleash their inner sluts when abroad, it's not something exclusive. It tends to happen to all women in general. That doesn't make the UK a good place to live.

London in particular is a terrible place with rent prices 262.11% higher than in Warsaw while the local purchasing power is only 15.08% higher.
https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/co...rrency=PLN

With an income of just 2000 pounds/month in Warsaw you can live like a king. Add 15% to that = 2300 pounds, how far does that get you in London towards being a handsome guy with game and money ?
Then you have a shitty ethnic distribution with almost half British cunts + shitloads of Asians, Blacks and Arabs. I believe about 10 of the population is ethnic white non-British. It's about the same population as Krakow but spread out over an area 4-5 times as large.

Anyone in Krakow these days up for meeting and some gaming?

(05-18-2017 07:09 AM)AntiMediocrity Wrote:  A thought experiment;

Perhaps those who demonstrate wealth, have maximised their looks and perfected their game etc are having more success with girls living in western countries because those girls for the most part only care about wealth, looks, and game applies to their enfeebled minds. And NSA sex is an aspect of the culture so everyone is part and parcel fulfilling their roles in society. Girls ride the carousel, men are the shiny horses.

While I don't doubt that many girls in Poland also place wealth and looks highly, and game can have the desired effect (Good game is game adapted accordingly area of the world be damned), it's not a part of the culture to be promiscuous so you've got girls inherently staying clear of any guy that represents a mere tryst.

Then we move onto friend culture. We've already discussed that western countries engage in promiscuity and Poland does not, leading to a "Go for it girl" vs "Don't do anything stupid", but on top of that Polish female circles are much tighter so it's not just "Don't do anything stupid" but "We're not going to let each other do anything stupid". Western girls care little for whether their friend actually scores or not, so neither encourage nor intervene. Unless the guy has awkward idiosyncrasies and/or is ugly of course, in which case we're moving onto primal reactions.

In the past it was fine, girls weren't clued in on the sexual aggression and thirst of males outside the local flora and fauna (which was rarely found in this demographic anyway) - Hence why no issues were found. As a result the naivety gave the bangs. It also goes without saying that wealth was a lot stronger a variable then, so if it wasn't naivety it was hypnosis on a monetary basis.

Back then it was- "A well-dressed man, who demonstrates financial security why not? He doesn't speak Polish? Oh, it's a difficult language anyway and besides I not only get to experience novelty but can have a little fun trying to speak what I know. Maybe I'll learn some new words!". Whether it was a first nighter, or after a few days, sex was the result of charm and excitement. She got to tell her friends about the cool foreigner she met, and the other girls will coo and ahh.

Now? Pretty much every girl who goes out at least once a month, and is above the age of 25 has been approached by such a guy - No novelty. The same lack of Polish, meanwhile English is heard and read all over the Rynek. All trying to go for a first night lay, so it's not exciting nor charming - simply the expectations. Displaying wealth as if they're a king in medieval times, because they think Poland is a poor country. All style no substance. "That time I met a foreigner" turns into "The night I had 10 foreigners start talking to me/dancing with me".

"What? Only 10?"

TL;DR

-Western women work perhaps better for certain guys because said guys exhibit traits the girls know they want and chase said guys to acquire said guys
-Their friends are too wrapped up in their own dick chasing to care and cockblock you/protect their friend from doing something she "might regret" (In quotations because we know girls very rarely have post coitus regret).
-Thirsty guys have been commonplace locally for over a decade now, so thirsty tourists fit in well.

-Polish women care less and less for said things, and have tighter groups who have their back.
-Locals are not thirsty so the large influx of tourists who are are prominent, noticed and talked of often; raising awareness and subsequent avoidance of such characters.

It doesn't matter if you're not a typical thirsty tourist. The moment English departs from your mouth, there's a high likelihood you'll be lumped in with them automatically and spurned.

I dont know if its universally right to say all western women dont care if their friends hook up or not. Jealousy can play a huge part in the cliques of the west.

You paint a grim picture for people going for game in Poland. What about those guys in their 30s going to 2nd tier cities looking for a medium to long term relationship? What would the approach be? Lets assume these guys would be staying for a few months at least and he has yet to learn the language. Lets also break it down by ethincity if its relevant in any forum member's experience here.

^^ Of course it's not universally right. Social shame still plays a big part in the west, specially in Mediterranean Europe, and all around in the bottom and upper classes. The sexual liberation is more of a middle class thing (who is shrinking everywhere btw).

Also saying that Polish guys are not thirsty is totally inaccurate, those mofos approach more and more aggressively than any Western nationality, they take caveman game to a whole other level.

(05-18-2017 04:34 PM)Pointer Wrote:  While it's true that Polish women unleash their inner sluts when abroad, it's not something exclusive. It tends to happen to all women in general. That doesn't make the UK a good place to live.

London in particular is a terrible place with rent prices 262.11% higher than in Warsaw while the local purchasing power is only 15.08% higher.
https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/co...rrency=PLN

With an income of just 2000 pounds/month in Warsaw you can live like a king. Add 15% to that = 2300 pounds, how far does that get you in London towards being a handsome guy with game and money ?
Then you have a shitty ethnic distribution with almost half British cunts + shitloads of Asians, Blacks and Arabs. I believe about 10 of the population is ethnic white non-British. It's about the same population as Krakow but spread out over an area 4-5 times as large.

Cost of the life, safety and demographics are in fact the main reasons for Poland being better for living long-term compared to West and in this case London, no doubt about that. I just say that in my opinion London is better for the occasions that you can have with the girls; there is less social control, plenty of foreign girls and many occasions to go out/get laid. Just thinking that getting a salary of 2k pound in Warsaw means that you are an expert or in a managerial position. You could get 1/2 times more in London for the same job, and then you start observing how the life changes over there.
Anyway I have a detailed plan of trips for next month, and planned to try some long weekend in Northern Europe this summer. Good and cheap connections from Poland.

About: day game doesn't work here at all, it is even better trying your chance in clubs with plenty of foreigners or on Tinder, despite the massive competition.

Oh guys every time im reading this thread it makes me feel good to be polish. The amount of girls youre missing out from speaking English or broken Polish must be staggering. Most Polish guys dont do day game because its not necessary , we can go out and just say hello and the conversation goes on Also as said before there is a huge negative trend about polish women shagging erasmus guys and foreigners so that might make things even harder.