Post: #3376

(05-13-2017 07:13 AM)Gopnik Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 04:02 PM)OxfordSexMachine Wrote:  Then I took the bus from Wroclaw to Berlin (DC IC Bus - highly recommended by the way, very comfortable and only 20 EUR). Wow. Such a difference. I find the girls in Berlin much more attracive than Poland, and I was getting eyefucked regularly just walking around.

To each their own of course, but I've been twice to Berlin, and I don't think I've ever seen that many hipster weirdos in all of my life. Maybe I stayed in the wrong neighbourhoods or something, but I swear you could walk around there with the strangest outfit and no one would bat an eye. Girls with dozens of piercings , skrillex haircuts etc that sort of thing. Chubby girls seemed more common and I think I barely saw chicks wearing high heels + a dress like you often do in Poland. Not to mention the feminine vibe that slavic girls tend to have, that makes germanic women seem masculine in comparison.

I m german and i can confirm that german girls usually have no intention to appear feminine, which results in their appearance often being "alternative style" with piercings, short hair, fat legs, and completely lacking any sexual vibe. Of course, this does not mean they are hard to get, in fact they do one night stands to compensate their non existant feminity. The only question is: Do you want to have sex with girls like this?
As for me i clearly can`t and will always prefer polish/slavik women, both on a personal and physical level.
Regarding Krakow, it can be quite hit and miss, leading to some great experiences and consequently also raising expectations. Of course it cannot keep up with these expectations all the time and i totally understand some of the previous posters` frustration.
If anyone is looking for easy lays and is generally ok with germanic girls, why don`t you skip poland and go to barcelona..i have never seen more horny female tourists in one city.

Post: #3377

I can only say that Berlin is mostly frumpy hipsters with multiple piercings and tattoos. There are some pretty german girls there, because it's such a big city, but overall I didn't notice much to write home about. The 18 year olds look a lot better than the women just a few years older because they haven't had as much time to get ruined by tons of men, body mutilation, bad diet, leftist indoctrination etc. Most girls in Berlin who are hot are either not ruined yet (but will be)... or foreign. There are quite a lot of dykes and fags.

There's a more free, hipster kind of vibe of "do whatever you want" in Berlin, but that includes have sex (even for men who want to have sex with women) so it didn't feel as restrictive or threatening as the US/CA does in terms of potential for false rape accusations/persecution of men for expression of normal sexuality. But hey I may be wrong as I was only there a month.

Post: #3378

Try Munich instead. It's a richer, posher city, but girls are normally friendly once you actually approach them. Or try Hamburg, Reeperbahn is absolute madness on the weekend. Why people insist on Berlin is beyond me.

Post: #3379

(05-13-2017 03:35 PM)Teedub Wrote:  I'm starting to think Giacomo is a troll account, designed to ward foreigners away from Poland. No issues on my end, the less foreigners that come, the better for me.

I think his frustration is real, however there's no point in whining about it, definitely no point in derailing every thread just for the sake of venting.

One interesting thing I've noticed is that many expats, *no matter what year they arrive in*, and not only in Poland, have a honeymoon period where everything seems to go their way, and then they often start to get bitter and frustrated, missing the good old days and blaming some external factor for their plight.

That factor depends on what's trendy to blame that year. "It was all great until they joined the EU/until Ryanair came/until smartphones came" etc etc etc.. depends on the year.

Post: #3380

Teedub: Ok maybe better saying that plenty of blond girls are waiting for foreigners at Balice or Modlin airports, and ready to do everything for them during their long weekend stay. This would assure that a lot of people continue to dream everyday about Poland.
Let's analyze the reality, nightgame: this Friday/Saturday was a disaster in clubs, however usually a pattern. Day game here doesn't work, it is not in their culture, they talk five minutes, give the number and flake. I met a guy from England last autumn, he approached about 300 girls in day game and he only got laid once. And he was an above average looking guy with a solid game I have seen. Online game: Tinder is invaded of foreigners, impossible to stand out even if have model look or a solid profile, in average if you target cute girls, you will get 2/3 matches a week and generally not going anywhere (flakes generally).
This is if you talk about cold approaches.

Disclaimer: if instead you date down a couple of points, you could still be a bit successful but this is not for me, I never did in West and neither I will do it here. Tourists of a weekend do it, they inflated the ego of normal or below average girls who now believe to be princesses. Really arduous times to be in Poland nowadays! It is better even in Switzerland today.

Post: #3381

(05-14-2017 06:05 AM)Giacomo Casanova Wrote:  . Day game here doesn't work, it is not in their culture, they talk five minutes, give the number and flake. I met a guy from England last autumn, he approached about 300 girls in day game and he only got laid once. And he was an above average looking guy with a solid game I have seen. Online game: Tinder is invaded of foreigners, impossible to stand out even if have model look or a solid profile, in average if you target cute girls, you will get 2/3 matches a week and generally not going anywhere (flakes generally).
This is if you talk about cold approaches.

Any more experiences that match the one of Giacomo?

I'm going to spend next year as an Erasmus in Lublín and I'm going to rely on daygame mostly. According to tom torero, 1 number out of 10 approaches is begginer's level, at least I hope to reach that..

You said that it is not in their culture, but where daygame is something normal in a culture? It's always going to be a bit awkward

Post: #3382

Yes generally it is not normal for them since they think that you are stopping all girls and doing the same with everyone, so they are not going to reply because you are regarded as the weird guy who talks with girls on the street. I discussed even with some of my regulars in the past about that and they told me the same. Imho it is a stupid perspective, if you consider that in the night klub you do basically the same, but this is somehow acceptable for polish people. So generally day game is kind of waste of time, I tried also in Lublin and failed badly. Your best bet could be if you find some Ukrainian girl, chance are higher and flakes are lower if you manage to get a number. And as Erasmus you should work through social circles of university, difficult to fail in such environment, results will be achieved.

Post: #3383

I spent a month in Krakow

Day game: 2 notches. Both 21. Both 7s.

Nightgame: 1 Ukrainian 7. I only went out four nights in a month.

Tinder: 4 notches. One 7 two 6s which came directly to my place to fuck and admittely a 5 but she fucked after a 30 minute date and had nice tits.

I'm not exceptional looking by any means so basically Giacomo is full of shit.

That being said, daygame is tough and there are lots of flakes but that's the nature of daygame in general irrespective of the location.

Post: #3384

Show some respect will you?

I do understand Giacomo point.
When you are high standars you do expect to get high standards.
I do have a similar frustration from the fact girls in the 8+ who are available are rare.

Please note that I rarely approach women for 2 reasons.
- way too many foreigners = i dont want to look like another horny dumb tourist
I actually find it depressing to see how some guys behave
-language barrier = you just do not belong here

I have no problen getting pussy in Poland, but I make no efforts toward girls below 8s, I want the top and I think for that poland is super tough for foreigners because you need a social circle

In a 2nd tier Polish city getting the social circle= learning Polish
Even if you do learn it though you will still have issues
(exception of Warsaw)

I did have an LTR with a 9 here but that s an exception. Since I am in Trojmiasto I almost never seen a foreign guy with a 9... That s the frustration right here

Post: #3385

Respect for what? Endless bitching and moaning? It's one thing to vent once in a while but Giacomo is a broken record repeating the same complaints day in and day out, but at the same time praising the one place most guys are trying to escape - the West.

Expecting to fuck 8+ consistently as a foreigner without anything to offer but yourself and sex is a tall order in any country.

Post: #3386

Nightlife, many foreigners end up in the many kebabs or in mcdonalds that are open all night.
They go home with a dirty and stinky kebab instead of coming back with a girl.

Daygames, girls are polite they ll answer you, but you ll more disturb them

Lot of lies on this forum, how to verify, if somebody say Behind his computer, I did 10 girls in 1 month, bla bla bla, often it's bullshit , They are afraid of passing for a loser .

After I am sorry to demoralize the people who prepare during all the year their 2 weeks trip in Krakow
And it's why they are aggressive And disrespectful on this forum when one says will not be as good as they think

But it is in human nature.

Post: #3387

I can prove everything I said and I said it to show that what Giacomo is saying is inaccurate, not to boast about lays. Will some guys struggle? Of course, but the picture Giacomo is endlessly trying to paint just isn't the reality for a decent looking guy with some social savy and game. I know of plenty of examples aside from myself too.

Post: #3388

Generally these numbers are unreal if they are really connected with the "marks" assigned to the girls. Anyway inacceptable to hear the "lessons" of this individual, and totally unconnected with the reality and with the discussions going on with guys who have been living here for years. We keep repeating that the reality described involve Krakow, and to a less extent other cities, which are however less invaded and destroyed and where you could have your space if you are good looking and with a solid game. As Sleek was underlining it is extremely hard to get girls above 7.5/8, and if you are able to catch them, there will be something wrong with them, as being virgins or with mental issues. It is hard as well to get laid with a girl at your level. If you consider yourself as a 7 here (not necessarily model looking, although I did some modeling in the past, but nothing that Polish girls care a lot), you could occasionally be lucky with a girl who is a 5.5 or maximum 6 and if she is not from Krakow. The only lays you can get in Krakow are from foreign girls on holiday or Polish girls from other towns, IF you want girls of a decent quality. Otherwise you are instantly regarded as a the "horny foreigner" who only wants sex, even with a polite and gentleman approach. Even for me sometimes it seems to be absurd and I cannot believe to my eyes. I had to change my game since lately flakes are epidemical so taking a number is 90% of time useless even if you really create a good connection with a girl. You must be perfect and hoping that nothing would impact the "life" of the girl in that moment. The extreme is a girl who spends the night with you, come to your place and then doesn't return your sms: it happened and not only once.Some difference comes when you move to Katowice or Rzeszow for instance: behaviors are still histrionic, criteria of choice also weird, but at least you can play your cards, girls are happy if you speak Polish and can be hit or miss.
Now the challenge for the individual above is coming to Krakow and show me his game and his success, generally people who talk too much about their success and sex appeal are like ice cream under the sun in summer when it comes the reality and the "field"...

Post: #3389

^ Well, since it's so horrible there in Krakow, and you seem adamant to stay there, then looks like you have some very dry years ahead of you.

I do feel sorry for you bro.

You probably will keep shitting this and other central and eastern Europe threads, but hey, considering the hell you're living in, I guess the least we can do is allow you to vent a bit.

Post: #3390

Krakow is perfectly located, I take a 2.5h bus and I am in Czech Republic, a night bus and I am in Ukraine, various decent Polish towns that you can reach quickly on Friday night. Don't underestimate the location advantage. So if I want to escape, it is not impossible, and many flights to the West also - even if I like coming back to West sometimes to enjoy a normal club scene and talking with decent girls with a minimum of enthusiasm about life.
Then again life isn't not only about girls, there's no sense in moving to a different city only for getting laid a little bit more.

Post: #3391

"Now the challenge for the individual above is coming to Krakow and show me his game and his success, generally people who talk too much about their success and sex appeal are like ice cream under the sun in summer when it comes the reality and the "field"... "

LOL I messaged you when I was in Krakow and you didn't respond. Nobody from the forum knows you, which is suspect in and of itself considering the length of time you've been in Krakow. The only one with something to prove is you.

Post: #3392

Bydgoszcz review --

Basically I came here because people said it was really good. So far it's my 2nd day here but thus far id say Warsaw and Wroclaw are just better here in Bydgoszcz there seems to be shitty ratios at night, lots of big aggressive dudes, less she contact from girls, girls less pretty. And not nearly as much going on Sunday Monday Tuesday.

I'm thinking to give it another night or 2 as a chance but so far I am really disappointed. I thought it would be a goldmine but so far very disappointed.

Am I missing something here?


I hate sounded negative but just calling it for what I see- -other parts of Poland are indeed awesome.



On that note, is anyone in Bydgoszcz or Poznan? (Poznan will be my next destination). I'm 28 yo, have games for almost a decade now so have a lot of experience and past success and am easy going and easy to wing with.

Post: #3393

(05-14-2017 04:28 PM)Cambodian Creamsicle Wrote:  "Now the challenge for the individual above is coming to Krakow and show me his game and his success, generally people who talk too much about their success and sex appeal are like ice cream under the sun in summer when it comes the reality and the "field"... "

LOL I messaged you when I was in Krakow and you didn't respond. Nobody from the forum knows you, which is suspect in and of itself considering the length of time you've been in Krakow. The only one with something to prove is you.

1) no messages from you in my inbox
2) /thread-58704...pid1455779 and /thread-58704...pid1453372 -

Quote:Giacomo then spots two Polish chicks by the bar area and immediately approaches them after I ordered a lemonade instead of a beer. I soon jump into the set to support him. Giacomo has solid game and conversational skills spiking interest from both chicks while I supported him

here are the reports when I joined forces with destiny for active night game sessions in Krakow)))

Anyway I would say that it is better to talk about concrete stuff as for example Bydgoszcz.

Post: #3394

Complaining Casanova is way to negative, I have an issue with your daygame rant in particular, matter of fact for me it is 100% proof you dont know what you are doing. Because that was not my experience at all, Wroclaw is basically a lite version of Krakow, it is even advertised as such online, it is not uncommon to see daygamers here in the Rynek or loads of foreigners ruining ratios in the club. I could quite easily say its as bad as you say Krakow is, but you know what, im still awesome so I did well pretty well for myself. Yes im tied down now to my girl, but before that, I had a blast day gaming the summer away, truly an experience I will never forget. I'm pretty sure I said this before but I got about the same results here as I did in the West except the girls were nicer, slightly more attractive and more feminine.

I've met quite a few people coming through here off the forum, and of those I can count on one hand how many truly had their shit together and as a result did not go away disappointed. On the flip side, there are dudes that have read all the books, check the forum religiously, digested just about every piece of pickup literature there is, and still go away empty handed. Why is this? Because they skipped the part where they make themselves attractive through self improvement, there is no confidence to backup who they are as a result and it shows. Not only that but most guys stick to just tinder, and that's it, they have half arsed nights out and do nothing, no approaching.

Poland is not some shortcut to success, you still have to be *gasp* an attractive dude and put in the work into learning day game which I believe to be the best bang for you buck over here in Poland. If you aren't an attractive guy at home, it will be the same here, with an added language barrier. If there was some sort of Golden Age here, then yes its gone, so what, deal with it or go to one of the other countries widely advertised here like Ukraine, Belarus, Croatia or Serbia.

(05-14-2017 04:38 PM)TravellingParty Wrote:  Bydgoszcz review --

Basically I came here because people said it was really good. So far it's my 2nd day here but thus far id say Warsaw and Wroclaw are just better here in Bydgoszcz there seems to be shitty ratios at night, lots of big aggressive dudes, less she contact from girls, girls less pretty. And not nearly as much going on Sunday Monday Tuesday.

I'm thinking to give it another night or 2 as a chance but so far I am really disappointed. I thought it would be a goldmine but so far very disappointed.

Am I missing something here?

You arent missing anything, I dont know who told you to go there, but unless you know Polish no one is going to like you. Bydgoszcz is known for being quite a rough city, if you dont fit in, I dont expect you to get much results there.

Post: #3395

"Generally these numbers are unreal if they are really connected with the "marks" assigned to the girls."

This really says it all. You can't believe I guy gets laid with 6s and 7s and Poland.

You're right, I didn't message you. It was someone else. Must of sensed your negativity and avoided you like the plague.

Post: #3396

(05-13-2017 02:15 PM)Malo Wrote:  German girls are obviously by far more slutty than Polish.
People who go to Poland to look for 'easy sluts', instead of to the west, are simply heavily misinformed (or just idiots).

I totally disagree. Went now for 4 days to Poland and the probability of pulling a drunk 6-7 from a club are 3 times higher than in Germany. German girls do not even drink to that extend that they do "unplanned" ONS using the excuse of alcohol

(05-13-2017 07:31 PM)Malo Wrote:  Or try Hamburg, Reeperbahn is absolute madness on the weekend.

Hamburg Reeperbahn is the last place on earth pulling acceptable girls. Total sausage fest, low class reputation, loads of tourist, horny turks and the quality of girls are below average even for German standards. When you are lucky, you will pull a 5.
Even my good looking German friends that cleaned up the finest girls on university and social circles would never go to Reeperbahn for the purpose of gaming

Post: #3397

(05-14-2017 06:15 AM)eck Wrote:  Any more experiences that match the one of Giacomo?

I'm going to spend next year as an Erasmus in Lublín and I'm going to rely on daygame mostly. According to tom torero, 1 number out of 10 approaches is begginer's level, at least I hope to reach that..

You said that it is not in their culture, but where daygame is something normal in a culture? It's always going to be a bit awkward

What is you ethnicitiy? I can almost guarantee you that you will have a blast in Lublin but dont only focus on daygame. It is a 2nd tier city in the poorer east in Poland with a lot less foreigners than Warszaw, Krakow or Wroclaw

Post: #3398

(05-14-2017 04:38 PM)TravellingParty Wrote:  Bydgoszcz review --

Basically I came here because people said it was really good. So far it's my 2nd day here but thus far id say Warsaw and Wroclaw are just better here in Bydgoszcz there seems to be shitty ratios at night, lots of big aggressive dudes, less she contact from girls, girls less pretty. And not nearly as much going on Sunday Monday Tuesday.

I'm thinking to give it another night or 2 as a chance but so far I am really disappointed. I thought it would be a goldmine but so far very disappointed.

Am I missing something here?


I hate sounded negative but just calling it for what I see- -other parts of Poland are indeed awesome.



On that note, is anyone in Bydgoszcz or Poznan? (Poznan will be my next destination). I'm 28 yo, have games for almost a decade now so have a lot of experience and past success and am easy going and easy to wing with.

I don't think you're missing anything. Even the big cities in Poland are dead from Sunday to Wednesday.
I think in cities like Bydgoszcz your best bet is daygame but unless it has some cool universities all the young single girls will have moved to other cities.

Post: #3399

Bydgoszcz is in the top 10 largest cities in Poland, it has universities. There's generally no reason for girls to "move to other cities" from there, unless they're moving to Warsaw.

That being said it's also the most hooligan of the ten. The city has its charm but you'll need to be on your toes regarding your safety when you do game. Double the concern if you're not white, or if you're a twat.

Post: #3400

I spent a few weeks in Bydgoszcz last summer. Guys there seemed taller and bigger than anywhere else in Poland but I never had any problems with hooligans. My jacket got stolen cause I got careless and left it lying around at the club one night but that was it. English levels are a bit lower (most students weren't around to be fair) but the exotic factor was very high.

Overall, I expected a rough polish town but it was actually quite pleasant and as Malo mentions it does have its charm. It's a bit too small for a longer stay but ideal if you want to experience something different for a couple of months max.