Post: #3351

(05-05-2017 04:42 AM)Sleek2b Wrote:  In Krakow tomorrow for a concert.
Guys, what club is still okay after 1 am? Frantic?

@Giacomo: I understand it might be hard sometimes, but come on... I am one of those "wealthy" foreigners and I do have 3 regulars fuck friends + the once in a while ONS. so it is not really the issue

The issue is: you want to get regular 8+ chicks then it starts to be as hard as back home with the language barrier being another handicap.

If I remember well you live in Trojmiasto.
I was there lately and it is true that is different, you don't have that many thirsty tourists and attitude of girls is better. It reminds me of the "old times" in Krakow where you were smiling when entering in a club. Maybe you have right and I should start differentiate the various part of the country. Also Warsawian girls have a more international and open mentality. West (Poznan/Wroclaw) is bad even if gritty. South east is the most difficult due to the religious mentality.
I speak Polish quite well, this is not the issue. In Krakow to get nowadays a 7 is very very arduous. More than in West.

For tomorrow I suggest you can try Frantic, it is one of the few places which is not too infested by horny foreigners with homeless look, but game is required and girls do look how people dress. "I am from Spain" lines don't help a lot there.

Post: #3352

If Poland is so bad why don't you leave? At least to another city? If getting a 7 in PL is harder than in the west that's a pretty bold statement to make. Are you sure it's not your own personal bad experiences clouding your opinion of an entire country?

Unless you're in an exceptionally good western city for girls, you deal with obesity, ugliness, entitlement, feminism etc. to quite a large extent on a daily basis. You are saying Krakow is worse than this?

It could be as Phoenix pointed out certain things apply universally wherever you go. If it's really that bad for you, maybe a different destination would be a better fit. Some guys do well in the same places where other guys fall flat on their faces, and vice versa, there are so many factors involved.

Post: #3353

(05-05-2017 04:34 PM)Skank_Hunt Wrote:  If Poland is so bad why don't you leave? At least to another city? If getting a 7 in PL is harder than in the west that's a pretty bold statement to make. Are you sure it's not your own personal bad experiences clouding your opinion of an entire country?

Maybe it is just the memory of these years that makes difficult to change a city that has given me so much after I moved sacrificing all comfort and a good and quiet life in West. Krakow of few years ago will never come back, I will never enter again in a club on Thursday night at 11.30pm with 30 girls and 5 guys in the dancefloor was a common situation. I was in the same place last Thursday night after a beer with a friend and it was totally empty.
Anyway Poland isn't the same everywhere. I was thinking to move for example to Trojmiasto, but job market over there is not so good, contrarily to booming cities like Krakow or Wroclaw. And you have to consider the network that you can create in a city. It is not only about girls. There is another polish city where I was extremely successful and getting 3/4 numbers for night or having ONS, happened not only once - but just to avoid false expectations, I was able to do it only since I spoke in Polish (these girls had zero english skills) and my night game is very solid.

Quote:Unless you're in an exceptionally good western city for girls, you deal with obesity, ugliness, entitlement, feminism etc. to quite a large extent on a daily basis. You are saying Krakow is worse than this?

I just come back from party and I would say that 60% of girls were overweight. Good luck in finding a 7. This is a big issue nowadays, full of McDonalds, Kebab and shitty food. These places are always full of girls. This issue is not evident in other polish cities.
Entitlement is surely an issue, sometimes there are very harsh rejections - not a problem for me, but might destroy the mood of many people.
Then it really depends, there are some regions in Europe full of pretty and feminine girls (ex. France), and other where you have to be lucky to find a decent girl (ex. Portugal or Italy)

Post: #3354

(05-04-2017 06:35 AM)Giacomo Casanova Wrote:  Maybe it is just the memory of these years that makes difficult to change a city that has given me so much after I moved sacrificing all comfort and a good and quiet life in West. Krakow of few years ago will never come back

I hope you know the tale of the frog in the boiling pot. Either accept reality and relocate, or stay in a city that "used to be nice" for the sake of living in the past..

Post: #3355

I was in Frantic last night.. I was actually surprised by the quality: I thought it would be bad but in fact it was much better than Trojmiasto!
Quality was high. Girls had for me the same attitude as Sopot. 7s give lot of interest and i don t have to do anything to get them. As I previously stated 8+ is a different story and i did not want to bother talking to anyone that night apart from my friends
I was just partying so I was not interested into gaming.
I did notice however that the guys are just a huge bunch of losers, that actually made me cringe.
They all look the same, dress the same, behave the same and end up doing circles around any somewhat attractive female.
The only foreign guy I saw pulling a hot 9 was just because no other guy was challenging him (she did give me the "please help me" eyes). I am sure you go there dressing differently with a group of girls you will stand out more than 95% of the guys

Post: #3356

(05-07-2017 01:20 AM)Malo Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 06:35 AM)Giacomo Casanova Wrote:  Maybe it is just the memory of these years that makes difficult to change a city that has given me so much after I moved sacrificing all comfort and a good and quiet life in West. Krakow of few years ago will never come back

I hope you know the tale of the frog in the boiling pot. Either accept reality and relocate, or stay in a city that "used to be nice" for the sake of living in the past..

Yes, I agree, but on the other end you can have a great lifestyle if you have a good job and you travel a couple of weekends/month. Ukraine and other good Polish towns are not far and occasionally you can get your "foreign flag" with female tourists or girls working/studying here - for example Belgian, American, Belarusian, Ukrainian in my case over the last year; or being lucky with girls visiting from other Polish towns or just landed in the city. If a girl has been living in Krakow for more than 6 months, then your chances will be lower.

Quote:I was in Frantic last night.. I was actually surprised by the quality: I thought it would be bad but in fact it was much better than Trojmiasto!
Quality was high. Girls had for me the same attitude as Sopot. 7s give lot of interest and i don t have to do anything to get them. As I previously stated 8+ is a different story and i did not want to bother talking to anyone that night apart from my friends
I was just partying so I was not interested into gaming.
I did notice however that the guys are just a huge bunch of losers, that actually made me cringe.
They all look the same, dress the same, behave the same and end up doing circles around any somewhat attractive female.
The only foreign guy I saw pulling a hot 9 was just because no other guy was challenging him (she did give me the "please help me" eyes). I am sure you go there dressing differently with a group of girls you will stand out more than 95% of the guys

I am glad that you have enjoyed! Maybe all girls went there yesterday since other venues were massive sausage fests yesterday night. Definitely disagree about quality (dream and ego in Sopot have arguably better quality and better ratio). Competition is weak I would say everywhere but anyway as you live in Poland you should know that initial interest =/= getting a girl in your bed.

Post: #3357

Giacomo -- it's sad to hear that things have changed so much over such a short period. At least try to take the positives - you did experience it when it was great. I for one did not, but I know the feeling of things being much better with girls not so long ago, just by living in the US over the past 10 years, before smartphones and internet attention whoring took off.

I agree with Malo; it is hard to accept but you are the frog in the slowly boiling water. You don't have to forget what Krakow has given you, but you might have to let go of it now, for your sanity.

Post: #3358

Sleek2b, if you live somewhere in Trojmiasto, may I ask you ask you something?
Apparently there should be a week in late June were all students around Trojmiasto gather up in Sopot and party there. A cousin of mine witnessed this a couple of years ago, can you confirm this? If this is correct, do you know which date this occurs?

Post: #3359

(05-07-2017 08:08 PM)Skank_Hunt Wrote:  Giacomo -- it's sad to hear that things have changed so much over such a short period. At least try to take the positives - you did experience it when it was great. I for one did not, but I know the feeling of things being much better with girls not so long ago, just by living in the US over the past 10 years, before smartphones and internet attention whoring took off.

I agree with Malo; it is hard to accept but you are the frog in the slowly boiling water. You don't have to forget what Krakow has given you, but you might have to let go of it now, for your sanity.

I like to see the half full glass rather than empty. This "no-limit" series of flakes (for instance, yesterday and today two different girls after giving confirmation, deleted a date a few hours before the randez-vous) and the spread of dumb behaviors/entitlement/bad reactions...leaves me concentrating to improve myself since I gave up on the fact that the environment around me is toxic and compromised, and there's nothing to be done.
I have never been so motivated in self improvement: going to gym constantly, get a better look, organizing trips, eating healthy and making money. I am pretty sure that my game stepped up dramatically when a few years ago I was able to deal successfully in terrible clubs with 80% of men.
I had the confirmation that actually my game is getting better when going to trip in Czech Republic last month, we were standing out in the crowd, I was able to pull easily and even having cute girls asking me to dance (not joking - never happened to me in Poland).
I can understand as well the situation in America, but it is important to evaluate that when you "escape" from a toxic environment, and then you are looking that exactly the same shit is happening a few years later in a place that once was good, is disappointing.
This week should be good since there is the Juwenalia, if this endless winter and shitty weather will finish, we could see again many girls in the clubs to party.

Post: #3360

I will be in Wroclaw from tomorrow till Sunday. I will try to sneak into Juwenalia and later hit the clubs.

Any suggestions for currently good bars and clubs despite Pasaz Niepolda?

If anyone wants to join at nightgame write me!

Post: #3361

^ PM'd

Any other RVF crew in Wroclaw ? I'm here for another 10 to 20 days, I do both day and night game

Post: #3362

(05-04-2017 06:35 AM)Giacomo Casanova Wrote:  @Phoenix: thing is that in the nearest countries (CR and UA) being a foreigner from a wealthy (not third world) country is an advantage while in Poland is a disadvantage and you have to overcome that with various strategies that might make you really wondering about the mental health of many girls and why they prefer a needy, ugly and poor guy over a foreigner who is making his "homework". Poland under this point of view is terrible, luckily there are also foreign girls here in Erasmus or working, this is kind of fresh air in the desert.

Its a good point that you and Pointer made about foreigners gaming there and even looking for relationships in Poland. Although its hard to believe that places like the Czech Republic is easier on foreigners despite having a more western outlook and being possibly richer. Considering the hard Polish language, I am not sure how much of a lure Poland has anymore.

Post: #3363

Hey just arrived in Warsaw! first time...

Any suggestions on bars and daygame areas? what days are good?...

Some body up to go day gameing?

Post: #3364

sleek you were down for Hardwell? Frantic was good that night.

Post: #3365

(05-09-2017 01:38 PM)fdrc28 Wrote:  Hey just arrived in Warsaw! first time...

Any suggestions on bars and daygame areas? what days are good?...

Some body up to go day gameing?

Nowi Swiat is probably the best area to Day Game. Best Bars are also on that street or Mazowiecka! Today is wednesday, so you must go to Klub Park: Erasmus party, 10 Zloties with open bar of Beer until 1 a.m. or something.. worth it. Enjoy!

Post: #3366

(05-10-2017 08:10 AM)goncalo999 Wrote:  

(05-09-2017 01:38 PM)fdrc28 Wrote:  Hey just arrived in Warsaw! first time...

Any suggestions on bars and daygame areas? what days are good?...

Some body up to go day gameing?

Nowi Swiat is probably the best area to Day Game. Best Bars are also on that street or Mazowiecka! Today is wednesday, so you must go to Klub Park: Erasmus party, 10 Zloties with open bar of Beer until 1 a.m. or something.. worth it. Enjoy!

Thank you brother!!!... I will check it out! vc moro aqui?...

Post: #3367

(05-10-2017 12:54 PM)fdrc28 Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 08:10 AM)goncalo999 Wrote:  

(05-09-2017 01:38 PM)fdrc28 Wrote:  Hey just arrived in Warsaw! first time...

Any suggestions on bars and daygame areas? what days are good?...

Some body up to go day gameing?

Nowi Swiat is probably the best area to Day Game. Best Bars are also on that street or Mazowiecka! Today is wednesday, so you must go to Klub Park: Erasmus party, 10 Zloties with open bar of Beer until 1 a.m. or something.. worth it. Enjoy!

Thank you brother!!!... I will check it out! vc moro aqui?...

No problem man! No Sadly, I live in Lisbon!

Post: #3368

(05-04-2017 06:07 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 05:24 AM)Pointer Wrote:  the hottest Polish girls are always hand in hand with Polish guys.

We need to compile a list called "Things men say are country-specific rules that are actually global rules".

Actually, good thread idea:
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Is it a global thing though ? I imagine in some countries if you learn the language you should be able to pull better quality. In Poland all the foreigners I know who have their shit together and are married or in LTR are dating well below their value. Granted a 6 in Poland is more like a 7 in Western Europe because the girls are slimmer but I still feel that they could do better all things being equal. The Polish guys I know dating hotties are not exactly players, they're actually quite beta.

Post: #3369

Big quote on what Pointer just said.

What I noticed in Krakow is that the hottest girls are dating Polish guys, they met each other through social circles like work and university.

8s and 9s girls in Krakow prefer local guys even if they can have every handsome foreigners at their disposal whenever they want.

The niche of girls who like foreigners are the slutty ones who go at Teatro Cubano or put themselves on Tinder, usually these girls are 4s-7s maximum in terms of beauty.

Post: #3370

Hey guys, I'm in Krakow for the next couple of days. So far, not impressed to be honest, if anyone would like to meet up and share travel stories, message me

Post: #3371

It's funny how much these things are down to the individual - both what the individual guy likes in terms of looks in his girl, and in terms of how the guy's own look does or does not draw attention from the females. I was in Krakow for a couple of days, then Wroclaw. I was eyefucked a grand total of twice in both cities. The girls in Krakow seemed more slutty but it was marginal. I found the girls in each place to be about the same in terms of looks. There seemed to be more English-speaking foreign men walking around with Polish girls in Wroclaw - I saw maybe a dozen such couples while I was there, but didn't notice any in Krakow.

Then I took the bus from Wroclaw to Berlin (DC IC Bus - highly recommended by the way, very comfortable and only 20 EUR). Wow. Such a difference. I find the girls in Berlin much more attractive than Poland, and I was getting eyefucked regularly just walking around. My look is slightly Germanic even though I'm not from there, and even people in Poland thought I was German. I also have been dressing badly when sightseeing (I know, I know, I'm working on it): in Ukraine and Poland, that seemed to matter quite a lot to the girls, and I'd get less attention as a result, but the girls in Berlin didn't seem to care less. The girls in Berlin weren't all that well dressed themselves mostly - very much the casual jeans/sneakers type look for the most part - but that's fine with me because from my perspective, once you're in bed the clothes come off anyway.

From which I learn, there are no hard and fast rules with any of these things. The best thing to do is to go to the places yourself and just see what happens. (Trying to do that on Tinder is no longer easy, by the way - seems like Tinder is demoting accounts who use Tinder Passport to move around frequently, to the point where you end up getting no matches).

Post: #3372

I'm 35, but can easily pass for late 20s (hooked up with a 19yr old college student last week under this premise). Is a place like Frantic going to make me feel out of place age wise?

Thanks for the latest intel. I imagine much will come down to individual experience. I will be in Krakow mid week June 12-15th if anyone is around.

Hit me up [email protected] if you guys wanna meet up for drinks

Post: #3373

(05-12-2017 04:02 PM)OxfordSexMachine Wrote:  Then I took the bus from Wroclaw to Berlin (DC IC Bus - highly recommended by the way, very comfortable and only 20 EUR). Wow. Such a difference. I find the girls in Berlin much more attracive than Poland, and I was getting eyefucked regularly just walking around.

To each their own of course, but I've been twice to Berlin, and I don't think I've ever seen that many hipster weirdos in all of my life. Maybe I stayed in the wrong neighbourhoods or something, but I swear you could walk around there with the strangest outfit and no one would bat an eye. Girls with dozens of piercings , skrillex haircuts etc that sort of thing. Chubby girls seemed more common and I think I barely saw chicks wearing high heels + a dress like you often do in Poland. Not to mention the feminine vibe that slavic girls tend to have, that makes germanic women seem masculine in comparison.

Post: #3374

(05-13-2017 07:13 AM)Gopnik Wrote:  To each their own of course, but I've been twice to Berlin, and I don't think I've ever seen that many hipster weirdos in all of my life.

That's definitely Berlin in a nutshell, although there's still plenty of 'normal' hot girls around. It's a big city.

German girls are obviously by far more slutty than Polish.

People who go to Poland to look for 'easy sluts', instead of to the west, are simply heavily misinformed (or just idiots).

People "get more eye-fucked" or "get quicker lays" in the west than in Poland? No kidding. "Duh" is pretty much the only word that comes to mind.

And hopefully someone doesn't give the usual "15 years ago Polish girls were much more slutty" speech now.

Post: #3375

I'm starting to think Giacomo is a troll account, designed to ward foreigners away from Poland. No issues on my end, the less foreigners that come, the better for me.