Post: #26

When this happened (the similarities are uncanny) in the UK a few years back we had copycat riots for the next couple of days across the country.

Is this just a "local" issue in Missouri or is has it spread at all?

Post: #27

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Post: #28

(08-12-2014 05:25 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  When this happened (the similarities are uncanny) in the UK a few years back we had copycat riots for the next couple of days across the country.

Is this just a "local" issue in Missouri or is has it spread at all?

Oh I'm sure the brave leaders of the black community will take to the streets to incite more racial tension and whip everyone up in a stir.

They love to march and support maladjusted youths who die attacking police officers or neighborhood watchmen.

I have a feeling this wont be as big as the Trayvon Martin incident unless our toolbox president feels the need to comment on it....

I can see President Obama now: "If I had a son, he would look like one of those rioters"

Post: #29

Really strong police presence last night... looks like the military arrived:

Post: #30

Last I checked, all the facts haven't been released yet but amazingly it sounds like a few of us where there when everything went down

The looting is insane, and I am unequivocally opposed

At the same time, if this happened in a more affluent place let's not act like there wouldn't be a top to bottom tree shaking & accountability

Post: #31

(08-12-2014 10:12 AM)MY DETROIT PLAYAS Wrote:  At the same time, if this happened in a more affluent place let's not act like there wouldn't be a top to bottom tree shaking & accountability

Things like this have happened in more affluent communities. Here: http://www.wlwt.com/news/Woman-19-dies-a...n/25672072

A 19 year old girl was leaving a party in a car, bumped a cop with her car, the cop jumped on the hood of her car and shot her to death.

It is a tragedy.

However, people in that community didnt go around burning, rioting, and looting. They held a candle light vigil instead.

Post: #32

(08-12-2014 10:12 AM)MY DETROIT PLAYAS Wrote:  At the same time, if this happened in a more affluent place let's not act like there wouldn't be a top to bottom tree shaking & accountability

Cops get away with outrageous shit in more affluent areas all the time.

The only people they tend not to fuck with are other cops or politicians.

Post: #33

(08-12-2014 10:23 AM)objectivist tree Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 10:12 AM)MY DETROIT PLAYAS Wrote:  At the same time, if this happened in a more affluent place let's not act like there wouldn't be a top to bottom tree shaking & accountability

Things like this have happened in more affluent communities. Here: http://www.wlwt.com/news/Woman-19-dies-a...n/25672072

A 19 year old girl was leaving a party in a car, bumped a cop with her car, the cop jumped on the hood of her car and shot her to death.

It is a tragedy.

However, people in that community didnt go around burning, rioting, and looting. They held a candle light vigil instead.

Seems, like you only read a piece of my post

Before that, I 'unequivocally' denounced those looters

What bothers me is the frequency of said incidents

I live in Chicago, read up on the unarmed cop killings on the Southside, and get back to me

Post: #34

(08-12-2014 10:39 AM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 10:12 AM)MY DETROIT PLAYAS Wrote:  At the same time, if this happened in a more affluent place let's not act like there wouldn't be a top to bottom tree shaking & accountability

Cops get away with outrageous shit in more affluent areas all the time.

The only people they tend not to fuck with are other cops or politicians.

Exactly

Which makes an internal investigation laughable at best

Post: #35

(08-12-2014 10:23 AM)objectivist tree Wrote:  However, people in that community didnt go around burning, rioting, and looting. They held a candle light vigil instead.

What should we infer from this..

Rich people are less likely to riot?

Rich people have less animosity towards the government?

Rich people are less violent?

What do you think?

***

Also, do you think the people looting are looting because of their financial situation or because of their genetic make up? Both?

Thanks

Post: #36

(08-12-2014 11:21 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 10:23 AM)objectivist tree Wrote:  However, people in that community didnt go around burning, rioting, and looting. They held a candle light vigil instead.

What should we infer from this..

Rich people are less likely to riot?

Rich people have less animosity towards the government?

Rich people are less violent?

What do you think?

***

Also, do you think the people looting are looting because of their financial situation or because of their genetic make up? Both?

This is just a guess, but I imagine most of them are looting now because they didn't have a father around when they were young to whip their ass for stealing.

Post: #37

(08-12-2014 11:37 AM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 11:21 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 10:23 AM)objectivist tree Wrote:  However, people in that community didnt go around burning, rioting, and looting. They held a candle light vigil instead.

What should we infer from this..

Rich people are less likely to riot?

Rich people have less animosity towards the government?

Rich people are less violent?

What do you think?

***

Also, do you think the people looting are looting because of their financial situation or because of their genetic make up? Both?

This is just a guess, but I imagine most of them are looting now because they didn't have a father around when they were young to whip their ass for stealing.

Yeah, I'm sure that's it

Post: #38

Young men need war or work to keep them out of trouble.

Looks like the boys of Missouri don't have so much of the latter so they're manufacturing the former.

Post: #39

While all of the details of the case have not yet come out, I will say that there has got to be a difference in the behavior of your average police officer depending upon his jurisdiction.

An officer tasked with the job of responding to and patrolling an area with a low/non-existent crime rate is probably going to be less vigilant, aggressive, or agitated than one whose job it is to be placed in a high stress situation night after night where he is at constant risk of bodily harm or loss of life.

If you consider the above to be somewhat true, then you can sort of see what the officer involved in this case might have dealt with.

North County and downtown St. Louis are hotspots for crime, and it is well known that the police in these areas are more likely to be aggressive. Those claiming that this is somehow endemic of racism in those police departments are complete idiots. The reality of the matter is that these policemen have to be extra vigilant in these areas if they want to rid them of the already ridiculous amount of crime that occurs.

However, I'm also open to the possibility that an officer went off the rail and was negligent in the matter.

Nothing to do now except for wait and see what comes out of the investigation.

Post: #40

(08-12-2014 11:37 AM)TheWastelander Wrote:  This is just a guess, but I imagine most of them are looting now because they didn't have a father around when they were young to whip their ass for stealing.

Yes,

I think "family dynamics" are often a big factor.

Not having loving and supportive parents can often lead to misdirection and dysfunction.

Of course, there are other factors, but, family and upbringing is always a big one when trying to decipher someones mindset.

***

For me, this investigation is about one thing..

Did the kid have his hands up or not?

If his hands were raised up into the air as he was shot, this is murder or at least manslaughter and the cop should go to prison.

If his hands were down, the cop will likely get the benefit of the doubt.

All he has to say is that the kid made a movement towards him and he shot in self defense.

If the kid was trying to attack a cop, well, that is dumb.

We'll see.

***

Looting is a secondary issue here.

Issue #1 is.. Was this murder or self defense or a cop who just got scared and made a mistake.

I suspect that the cop was angry, scared, hot, dehydrated, agitated, and just got a little trigger happy.

Post: #41

(08-12-2014 01:33 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 11:37 AM)TheWastelander Wrote:  This is just a guess, but I imagine most of them are looting now because they didn't have a father around when they were young to whip their ass for stealing.

Yes,

I think "family dynamics" are often a big factor.

Not having loving and supportive parents can often lead to misdirection and dysfunction.

Of course, there are other factors, but, family and upbringing is always a big one when trying to decipher someones mindset.

***

For me, this investigation is about one thing..

Did the kid have his hands up or not?

If his hands were raised up into the air as he was shot, this is murder or at least manslaughter and the cop should go to prison.

If his hands were down, the cop will likely get the benefit of the doubt.

All he has to say is that the kid made a movement towards him and he shot in self defense.

If the kid was trying to attack a cop, well, that is dumb.

We'll see.

***

Looting is a secondary issue here.

Issue #1 is.. Was this murder or self defense or a cop who just got scared and made a mistake.

I suspect that the cop was angry, scared, hot, dehydrated, agitated, and just got a little trigger happy.

Gio, I agree. To some extent the breakdown of the family structure plays a signicant part in these sorts of incidents.

However, I think some people would like to oversimplify this behavior and wrap it up neatly into a nice little bow

There's plenty of us who grew up without a father around, but still have a strong sense of right and wrong. At some point, there has to be accountability.

I feel safe to say there's a general feeling of disenchantment/disillusionment at the root of this type of ignorance. These are young men/woman who for the most part are unemployed or on the lower rung of the economic totem pole.

When people are gainfully employed/educated, they have no need to run out and steal or riot in the streets.

As far as that goes, if a riot broke out tommorow you would not see me running around jacking folks or stealing appliances/TV'S.

Why? Because I can go buy that shit

Post: #42

(08-12-2014 02:33 PM)MY DETROIT PLAYAS Wrote:  Gio, I agree. To some extent the breakdown of the family structure plays a signicant part in these sorts of incidents.

However, I think some people would like to oversimplify this behavior and wrap it up neatly into a nice little bow

There's plenty of us who grew up without a father around, but still have a strong sense of right and wrong. At some point, there has to be accountability.

I feel safe to say there's a general feeling of disenchantment/disillusionment at the root of this type of ignorance. These are young men/woman who for the most part are unemployed or on the lower rung of the economic totem pole.

When people are gainfully employed/educated, they have no need to run out and steal or riot in the streets.

As far as that goes, if a riot broke out tommorow you would not see me running around jacking folks or stealing appliances/TV'S.

Why? Because I can go buy that shit

Good points, critics likes to harp on things like welfare dependency, absence of fathers, and "black-on-black crime", but those are merely symptoms of a larger issue, which is complete exclusion of young black males from the economy. Take your city, Chicago, for example, which sees young black males suffer from an astronomical unemployment rate, upwards of 90%! Like you said it is no wonder that those would be productive energies get channeled into other deviant behavior which is often perceived as the only way to survive n those communities as there are no other options.

Let's not forget that this same demographic has to deal with constant police harassment, abysmal schools, and lack of capital to open enterprise, among other things. Riots and such are merely a manifestation of hopelessness and anger that many feel and have had to suppress on a daily basis. It's no different than those poor,unemployed and bored youths in Russia, that embrace hooliganism, since they literally have nothing else to do.

Post: #43

Feminist PZ Myers full of rage about the news coverage of Robin Williams and this incident in Missouri.

Apparently, we are talking too much about Robin Williams instead of hyperfocusing on the white superstate that is killing black men.

Post: #44

(08-12-2014 03:22 PM)iWin Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 02:33 PM)MY DETROIT PLAYAS Wrote:  Gio, I agree. To some extent the breakdown of the family structure plays a signicant part in these sorts of incidents.

However, I think some people would like to oversimplify this behavior and wrap it up neatly into a nice little bow

There's plenty of us who grew up without a father around, but still have a strong sense of right and wrong. At some point, there has to be accountability.

I feel safe to say there's a general feeling of disenchantment/disillusionment at the root of this type of ignorance. These are young men/woman who for the most part are unemployed or on the lower rung of the economic totem pole.

When people are gainfully employed/educated, they have no need to run out and steal or riot in the streets.

As far as that goes, if a riot broke out tommorow you would not see me running around jacking folks or stealing appliances/TV'S.

Why? Because I can go buy that shit

Good points, critics likes to harp on things like welfare dependency, absence of fathers, and "black-on-black crime", but those are merely symptoms of a larger issue, which is complete exclusion of young black males from the economy. Take your city, Chicago, for example, which sees young black males suffer from an astronomical unemployment rate, upwards of 90%! Like you said it is no wonder that those would be productive energies get channeled into other deviant behavior which is often perceived as the only way to survive n those communities as there are no other options.

Let's not forget that this same demographic has to deal with constant police harassment, abysmal schools, and lack of capital to open enterprise, among other things. Riots and such are merely a manifestation of hopelessness and anger that many feel and have had to suppress on a daily basis. It's no different than those poor,unemployed and bored youths in Russia, that embrace hooliganism, since they literally have nothing else to do.

Here's a thought crime: whose fault is it that they are unemployed? Is it their fault or is it the fault of everyone else?

Post: #45

(08-12-2014 03:30 PM)2Wycked Wrote:  Feminist PZ Myers full of rage about the news coverage of Robin Williams and this incident in Missouri.

Apparently, we are talking too much about Robin Williams instead of hyperfocusing on the white superstate that is killing black men.

To be fair, I got really sick of seeing everyone posting pics of Genie hugging Aladdin and that "spark of crazy" quote after about 100 people posted them. Apparently no one on my friends list has experienced a tragedy beyond a celebrity dying...

Post: #46

Ramzpaul weighs in

Post: #47

(08-11-2014 07:17 AM)Roosh Wrote:  Looting is somewhat widespread:

http://www.ksdk.com/story/homepage/2014/.../13880305/

I understand the anger from the shooting, but if you're going to loot, why not loot the rich areas instead of your own neighborhood? You're not fighting against authority if you destroy the area you live in.

I see your point, but it is important to note(for the sake of this conversation) that most if not all of the business in the inner cities are owned by everyone except Blacks. Other groups routinely set up shop in these neighborhoods and make a killing in those communities, but at the end of the day move that money out of that respective neighborhood. In that sense, the looters don't really feel like they are destroying their own hoods since those businesses are kind of symbolic of the economic struggles they face in the US. In their minds, they don't see the money generated by those businesses anyway so why not raise hell. Like you said, their energies are concentrated on the wrong things at the moment, but mobs of angry people aren't exactly a rational force.

(08-12-2014 03:33 PM)objectivist tree Wrote:  Here's a thought crime: whose fault is it that they are unemployed? Is it their fault or is it the fault of everyone else?

That answer is depends on which political party you align yourself with.

(08-12-2014 04:20 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  They will have you believe that the victim is the criminal © Malcolm X

Only a matter of time until the smear campaign starts.

Post: #48

(08-12-2014 04:04 PM)iWin Wrote:  

(08-11-2014 07:17 AM)Roosh Wrote:  Looting is somewhat widespread:

http://www.ksdk.com/story/homepage/2014/.../13880305/

I understand the anger from the shooting, but if you're going to loot, why not loot the rich areas instead of your own neighborhood? You're not fighting against authority if you destroy the area you live in.

I see your point, but it is important to note(for the sake of this conversation) that most if not all of the business in the inner cities are owned by everyone except Blacks. Other groups routinely set up shop in these neighborhoods and make a killing in those communities, but at the end of the day move that money out of that respective neighborhood. In that sense, the looters don't really feel like they are destroying their own hoods since those businesses are kind of symbolic of the economic struggles they face in the US. In their minds, they don't see the money generated by those businesses anyway so why not raise hell. Like you said, their energies are concentrated on the wrong things at the moment, but mobs of angry people aren't exactly a rational force.

Exhibit A - Detroit, Michigan

After the riots of 68', there was a pretty widespread 'white flight' and many business owners uprooted their operations to the suburbs.

Even today, all the money is in the surrounding suburbs - Dearborn, Ypsilanti, Sterling Heights

Guess who were hit the hardest?

Thus the creation of the inner cities we know now, rats fighting for the proverbial crumbs

If you take the lifeblood away, the body dies

Post: #49

They will have you believe that the victim is the criminal © Malcolm X

Post: #50

(08-12-2014 11:21 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 10:23 AM)objectivist tree Wrote:  However, people in that community didnt go around burning, rioting, and looting. They held a candle light vigil instead.

What should we infer from this..

Rich people are less likely to riot?

Rich people have less animosity towards the government?

Rich people are less violent?

What do you think?

***

Also, do you think the people looting are looting because of their financial situation or because of their genetic make up? Both?

Thanks

Lot of reasons. Raised by parents who didn't know how to be good parents for starters. If I raised kids that went and looted a store, I would consider myself a failure as a parent, regardless of my economic status. These aren't people looting for food and water during a natural disaster.

Bad parents and lack of discipline and civility is one thing. Another problem is that people in the ghettos are unhinged from society. They don't have a stake in it. When you own a business, you have a stake in your community and how everyone does, you have something to work for and want to see people prosper because more prosperous people is good for everyone. These youths are probably all unemployed too. So you have a lot of people just socio-economically detached from mainstream society and it creates these bubbles of misery and angry. It's probably not that different from the situation in France where you have all these angry, unemployed Muslim youth setting cars on fire. All it would take is a French cop to beat somebody down and you'd have a riot.