Post: #201

Ferguson PD has fabricated a story before:

Quote:Police in Ferguson, Missouri, once charged a man with destruction of property for bleeding on their uniforms while four of them allegedly beat him.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...y-lie.html

Post: #202

What are gang signs supposed to show, that he was a bad person and deserves to get shot? I'm sure I would never want to have anything to do with Brown, but that doesn't mean he deserves to get killed like this. Anyway, I have no idea what actually happened, maybe it was justified and maybe not. I think if the police had a good story, it would have come out by now. Also that stealing cigars thing...only in America can you get killed for allegedly stealing cigars but if you steal billions of dollars, no problem.

Post: #203

(08-15-2014 12:58 AM)Constitution45 Wrote:  Im surprised seeing the amount of hatred here directed towards cops. Don't get me wrong in the U.K there have been countless anti police riots, a lot of those were on racial lines. But it appears that ordinary Americans genuinely really dislike the police, which suggests that something is wrong. Did this resentment start in the civil rights era, the war on drugs ? Or since the War on terror ?

Americans are here because they are, or are descendants of, people who were dissatisfied with being somewhere else.

They don't like being told what to do, relative to people who stayed in their home towns in England or Poland for centuries.

Post: #204

(08-15-2014 10:31 AM)Menace Wrote:  What are gang signs supposed to show, that he was a bad person and deserves to get shot? I'm sure I would never want to have anything to do with Brown, but that doesn't mean he deserves to get killed like this. Anyway, I have no idea what actually happened, maybe it was justified and maybe not. I think if the police had a good story, it would have come out by now. Also that stealing cigars thing...only in America can you get killed for allegedly stealing cigars but if you steal billions of dollars, no problem.

Listen, the above photos along with the surveillance of the robbery, which does seem unanny similar to the victim, shows that - just like with the Trayvon case - that this guy might have been a serious criminal, a thug, an all around bad guy, which makes the cop's and Zimmermann's story much more believable.

But just like last time, the media is very, very quick to jump on the big bad white man racist agenda.

So if it turns out that the killed guy was a thug and robber, that means an entire city have been robbing, stealing and rioting over the life of a hardened criminal.

As has been said, I don't buy the outrage, I see people taking advantage of whatever to get themselves free stuff.

Post: #205

(08-15-2014 10:31 AM)Menace Wrote:  I think if the police had a good story, it would have come out by now. Also that stealing cigars thing...only in America can you get killed for allegedly stealing cigars but if you steal billions of dollars, no problem.

That's how I feel, if this information is true, it could have been presented immediately.

This particular police department has been caught lying before, and thus far, they haven't done anything that says "you can trust us".

Post: #206

(08-15-2014 10:47 AM)berserk Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 10:31 AM)Menace Wrote:  What are gang signs supposed to show, that he was a bad person and deserves to get shot? I'm sure I would never want to have anything to do with Brown, but that doesn't mean he deserves to get killed like this. Anyway, I have no idea what actually happened, maybe it was justified and maybe not. I think if the police had a good story, it would have come out by now. Also that stealing cigars thing...only in America can you get killed for allegedly stealing cigars but if you steal billions of dollars, no problem.

Listen, the above photos along with the surveillance of the robbery, which does seem unanny similar to the victim, shows that - just like with the Trayvon case - that this guy might have been a serious criminal, a thug, an all around bad guy, which makes the cop's and Zimmermann's story much more believable.

But just like last time, the media is very, very quick to jump on the big bad white man racist agenda.

So if it turns out that the killed guy was a thug and robber, that means an entire city have been robbing, stealing and rioting over the life of a hardened criminal.

As has been said, I don't buy the outrage, I see people taking advantage of whatever to get themselves free stuff.

due to him possibly taking a couple cigars, he's a hardened criminal with no criminal record on his way to college?

Post: #207

(08-15-2014 12:58 AM)Constitution45 Wrote:  Im surprised seeing the amount of hatred here directed towards cops. Don't get me wrong in the U.K there have been countless anti police riots, a lot of those were on racial lines. But it appears that ordinary Americans genuinely really dislike the police, which suggests that something is wrong. Did this resentment start in the civil rights era, the war on drugs ? Or since the War on terror ?

One of the problems of US police, is that they earn revenue by giving people tickets for every little trivial thing. I can understand how someone from Europe would have trouble understanding this. When I lived in Europe, I could go for months without seeing a police car, but in America you will see one every ten minutes. In Mexico, I have jaywalked in front of police and they don't care. I once saw the policia in Mexico taking down a schizophrenic, and the guy was really fighting them and he was big. They didn't use any guns and didn't even hurt him. I couldn't help thinking that in the United States, he would have had at least one hundred bullets put into him.

Post: #208

(08-15-2014 10:55 AM)groovin206 Wrote:  due to him possibly taking a couple cigars, he's a hardened criminal with no criminal record on his way to college?

The point is that at the time of the death, no one really knew what had happened and instead of waiting to find out, people went out and robbed and looted.

Post: #209

I just wish the people would get this excited/upset/angry at the progressive movement that has caused 1,000 times more damage to their community than the police could dream of.

Post: #210

(08-15-2014 11:15 AM)berserk Wrote:  The point is that at the time of the death, no one really knew what had happened and instead of waiting to find out, people went out and robbed and looted.

This is true, I mean it's apparent to me that Mike didn't do anything to warrant being murdered in the street like he was, but you can't defend wrong, and committing robbery at a store would be the definition of wrong.

Post: #211

(08-15-2014 10:24 AM)jariel Wrote:  Robbery suspect on the left, Mike Brown dead in the street on the right, same person?

I cannot tell the photo quality is not good enough for me to see that.

Post: #212

(08-15-2014 11:04 AM)Sherman Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 12:58 AM)Constitution45 Wrote:  Im surprised seeing the amount of hatred here directed towards cops. Don't get me wrong in the U.K there have been countless anti police riots, a lot of those were on racial lines. But it appears that ordinary Americans genuinely really dislike the police, which suggests that something is wrong. Did this resentment start in the civil rights era, the war on drugs ? Or since the War on terror ?

One of the problems of US police, is that they earn revenue by giving people tickets for every little trivial thing. I can understand how someone from Europe would have trouble understanding this. When I lived in Europe, I could go for months without seeing a police car, but in America you will see one every ten minutes. In Mexico, I have jaywalked in front of police and they don't care. I once saw the policia in Mexico taking down a schizophrenic, and the guy was really fighting them and he was big. They didn't use any guns and didn't even hurt him. I couldn't help thinking that in the United States, he would have had at least one hundred bullets put into him.

It can be hard to draw comparisons with policing in other countries because you're dealing with completely different communities. What part of Europe were you talking about? What is there crime rate compared to ours? How do people behave there? It's just like with the public alcohol issue, people in Europe can drink on the beach and be chill. It's taboo in a place like France to be intoxicated in public. But in America people get stupid drunk and fights break out. I doubt there are shootings at clubs in Europe like there are here. When people behave better the fewer police you need.

Post: #213

So there is video showing possibly the actual moment where Brown is shown leaving the store without paying for anything. The much smaller man (shop owner or manager) tries to stop him and the kid just shoves the man and basically gives him the whole I don't give a fuck about right and wrong.

I saw a video on tv but was able to find some pics. I try to be a level headed poster except when it comes to fat chicks and attention whores. I don't try to troll others over race or religion. I try my best to help others on this board. I say all this to offer context for what I am going to say next.

While it may be wrong that the officer shot an unarmed kid walking away from the officer, the kid seems like a shit.
I would say that of anyone who shoves a smaller older man into the chip stand and then intimidates him. Regardless of race. Stealing isn't cool. Especially when it is so brazen, it wasn't like he shoved the item in his pants or under his shirt, he has it in his hand and just walks out.

But the kid didn't seem like he was destined for greatness, he seems like an asshole. Yes, the police officer should be charged for shooting an unarmed man, I agree that should never have happened. But I don't think Michael Brown's solid decision making skills helped the matter any in that moment with the police officer.

Notice that the last pic is the bottom right one. So after shoving him into the stand, he then chases after him a bit more. He is an asshole. BUT ONCE AGAIN, he shouldn't have been shot while walking away. At the same time, if an officer is trying to arrest him for shoplifting, shouldn't he cooperate with the police? We have to wait until the evidence all comes out. He should not have been shot. But he seems like a prick.

Post: #214

(08-15-2014 11:16 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  I just wish the people would get this excited/upset/angry at the progressive movement that has caused 1,000 times more damage to their community than the police could dream of.

Explain what you mean by this.

Post: #215

Meanwhile just 30 minutes before the cop-shooting a woman was shot in the head in a drive-by-shooting:

http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/crime/201.../13990051/

Does it warrant military grade police in order to contain the violence? The media is playing the people and also using the black community to incite more violence. They should not fall into that trap getting upset about one dead kid who is likely not as innocent as it seems while countless others are getting killed without the help of the police.

Also - if you cannot answer this question correctly, then you should know that shit is starting to hit the fan:

   

Post: #216

Looks like the robber is wearing socks with sandals. The dead body pic is too small for me to see socks and sandals, but it is possible. I think both pics show sagging with black underwear. Their body weights seem similar and both have big white tees on.

Post: #217

(08-15-2014 12:15 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 11:16 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  I just wish the people would get this excited/upset/angry at the progressive movement that has caused 1,000 times more damage to their community than the police could dream of.

Explain what you mean by this.

It is great to see the community show some strength and say "hey police, we want an investigation into this and we want to know you don't let your officers go around killing people for little to no reason". I'm not on either side, I want to be logical and wait for the facts to play out in our legal system. Because I don't know what happened, and I don't think anyone really does or really will find out. But we have a legal system for this.

But I am happy to see people stick up for themselves and not be intimidated by a police force that more resembles a military unit. I am not happy with the rioting and looting, but there were lots of peaceful protests as well.

But this has taken a lot of time and energy.

Yet you hardly hear a whisper when...

Progressive politicians buy votes by handing women money to have kids out of wedlock. All of us red pill males know how much tougher it is for a kid to have a stable environment and a happy childhood and prosperous adult life with no dad in their life. Yet the progressive politicians not only push for more, they reward this irresponsible behavior in return for getting re-elected. And due to this the neighborhoods go to shit, because there is no dad around to provide stability or income or discipline.

So you end up with giant growing ghettos. Where teenage boys "role models" are older teenage boys that sell drugs and commit crimes. And where teenage girls are told they can get "free stuff" from the govt. if only they have a few kids. It is a disaster, it is so sad to see. Because it never gets better, the progressive agenda only makes it worse and worse and worse.

5 and 1/2 years of the most progressive president in the history of this country and what do these run down urban areas have to show for it? Even more economic problems than before. And with the open border and more welfare recipients being admitted, the lives of these urban folks is about to get even worse yet.

All in all, these urban areas are just matriarchies. There are no adult men there running anything. The few adult men are either shunned, or so powerless they wisely put their heads down and keep to themselves. And the same progressive politicians offer free shit in exchange for a vote, and keep getting voted in, with the promise that "things will get better" and we can see they don't get better. And they never will get better as long as politicians can buy women's votes by telling them "have a baby and let the govt. be the provider".

Because the ultimate red pill truth goes 100% against progressive politics....

Yes, men are important to a society and yes kids need fathers just as much as they need their mothers.

Post: #218

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...Brown.html

So it turns out Mike Brown was 6'4" and just under 300 lbs. and had just robbed a store before getting himself shot.

The witness to his death turns out to have been his accomplice in the robbery, this man:



Now we must ask ourselves, which is more likely:

1) A racist cop executed a black kid for no reason, or

2) Mike Brown, nervous and amped up on adrenaline following the robbery and assault he just committed, gets scared when confronted by a cop, attacks him and winds up dead. His accomplice lies about what happened to cover his own ass

I know which story I'm buying.

Blacks do themselves no favors when they reflexively jump to the defense of thugs and criminals just because they share the same skin color.

Post: #219

Of course they're going to say he robbed the store before he was shot. I want solid evidence that he did that (it's hard for me to tell in the comparison picture of his clothing).

Seriously....why the FUCK don't cops use their TASERS more often?

And I'm glad the PD showed such use of force and military tactics.

People are waking and realizing that LEO's are sometimes more equipped than our military. That tactical sniper sitting on top of that mrap was just pure insanity.

Post: #220

(08-15-2014 01:10 PM)scorpion Wrote:  Now we must ask ourselves, which is more likely:

1) A racist cop executed a black kid for no reason, or

2) Mike Brown, nervous and amped up on adrenaline following the robbery and assault he just committed, gets scared when confronted by a cop, attacks him and winds up dead. His accomplice lies about what happened to cover his own ass

I know which story I'm buying.

Blacks do themselves no favors when they reflexively jump to the defense of thugs and criminals just because they share the same skin color.

Still trying to figure out how an unarmed man ends up laying in the middle of the street looking like human road kill. If everyone that's ever fought with a police office got their head blown off they would not have been able to air a single episode of COPS.

Post: #221

(08-15-2014 08:32 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 08:25 AM)frenchie Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 12:58 AM)Constitution45 Wrote:  Im surprised seeing the amount of hatred here directed towards cops. Don't get me wrong in the U.K there have been countless anti police riots, a lot of those were on racial lines. But it appears that ordinary Americans genuinely really dislike the police, which suggests that something is wrong. Did this resentment start in the civil rights era, the war on drugs ? Or since the War on terror ?

All of that plus more. It has become obvious most cops and DAs are only after arrest numbers. They're not concerned with justice, just keeping their jobs and gravy train growing. They openly disregard the constitution and are a criminal gang paid for by my tax dollars. To me when I get pulled over for some BS DUI charge (all three times I wasn't drinking) they really want to make me a state slave for whatever amount of years.

Instead of dealing with real crime, most departments want the low hanging revenue fruit.

I'll say it, being white and looking "all American" whatever at means is the only way to not get mailed by the police. I feel for minorities being policed by people who do not walk the beat or have any connection to the neighborhood.

Yea, if you are driving around the streets between midnight and 5 AM, you see cops just hoping and working their tales off to bust someone for a DUI. I've been pulled over a few times during this time of night for very minor reasons. All times I was let go, but it is an uneasy feeling. I've been followed countless times for over a mile by a cop just hoping I do something wrong. I don't drink or do any drugs, I am a very safe driver with no tickets. But they see a car at that time of night and they will do anything to get a DUI.

Certainly a mix of many things in the USA. We are a very free and proud people, who does not want the govt. and police in our business. But with the progressive movement of our govt, they are getting more involved in our lives.

Also lots of reports of police doing really bad things, and virtually getting away with it, often times getting paid leave (a paid vacation) and then let back on the force. I wish I could fuck up at my job and get a free paid vacation for it. I can't even get a vacation when I do things the right way.

Not long ago some cop was chasing a suspect and jumped over some fences in people's back yards. He jumped into one yard with a large dog and the dog was about 30 feet away barking and growling, so the cop just shot the dog and kept going. I don't believe he was punished for it at all.

All three times were before midnight.

Personally, I understand the risks of the job. Someone has to do it. However, they knew the risks of the job when signing up to become a cop. You don't become a cop thinking a detainee really wants you to detain him. Soldiers in Iraq were far more sensitive to situations even under fire. The behavior we see in America is thuggery at its finest.

And even when they say, "don't worry you can have a day in court to prove your innocence." Having that day in court doesn't financially ruin the cop. It can however ruin me.

Post: #222

The militarized police had nothing to do with Mike Brown's death. Mike Brown died because he attacked a regular patrol cop. The militarized police only came in because a large number of black people in Ferguson began violently rioting and destroying local businesses.

The root of this problem is visible in this very thread: a large percentage of black people are simply unwilling or unable to believe that a young black man killed by police might have possibly done something to deserve it. This is the victim narrative I posted about earlier, and it's the major reason that blacks as a group are doing so poorly today. If your first reaction to a black guy getting killed by the police is, "Fuck that shit, let's riot!" rather than, "Let's try to figure out exactly what happened in this case then go from there," then you are just making the situation worse.

Here's reality: sometimes young black men do really stupid things, no different than any other group of people, or especially young men. If the stupid thing you do happens to involve a law enforcement officer and violence, you can't be surprised if things end up really bad for you. Further, if your reaction to such a situation is to blame racism and begin rioting you merely invite the sort of crackdown Ferguson is now experiencing. The government is using Ferguson as a guinea pig for a militarized police martial law operation, and they are only able to do this because blacks continue to buy into the victim narrative created by the left. The biggest enemy facing blacks is not white racism or the police, it's a black culture than has internalized the idea that black people are helpless victims who are totally dependent on whites.

Post: #223

(08-15-2014 01:43 PM)scorpion Wrote:  The militarized police had nothing to do with Mike Brown's death. Mike Brown died because he attacked a regular patrol cop. The militarized police only came in because a large number of black people in Ferguson began violently rioting and destroying local businesses.

The root of this problem is visible in this very thread: a large percentage of black people are simply unwilling or unable to believe that a young black man killed by police might have possibly done something to deserve it. This is the victim narrative I posted about earlier, and it's the major reason that blacks as a group are doing so poorly today. If your first reaction to a black guy getting killed by the police is, "Fuck that shit, let's riot!" rather than, "Let's try to figure out exactly what happened in this case then go from there," then you are just making the situation worse.

Here's reality: sometimes young black men do really stupid things, no different than any other group of people, or especially young men. If the stupid thing you do happens to involve a law enforcement officer and violence, you can't be surprised if things end up really bad for you. Further, if your reaction to such a situation is to blame racism and begin rioting you merely invite the sort of crackdown Ferguson is now experiencing. The government is using Ferguson as a guinea pig for a militarized police martial law operation, and they are only able to do this because blacks continue to buy into the victim narrative created by the left. The biggest enemy facing blacks is not white racism or the police, it's a black culture than has internalized the idea that black people are helpless victims who are totally dependent on whites.

Wrong, we don't even know what happened to start the confrontation, its he said she said so far. Coroner said he was shot in the back first then shot again....that's an important piece of evidence. The whole thing went down wrong.

Black culture IS definitely apart of the problem. Looting and rioting is stupid.

Militarization of the police is a separate yet very important and scary issue.

Post: #224

Among all the fuck ups (mistakes) related to this matter, apparently no one checked on Brown for at least 30 minutes after he was shot. This was from an eyewitness who was interviewed yesterday. The witness was not his friend and she seemed very credible. How do you not check on a person that you just shot? Unless your goal was to kill him. And you knew you accomplished your goal. Like I said earlier, I think Brown is an asshole, but the cop shot an unarmed man. Once the evidence comes to light, and it is evident the cop was excessive, I hope he does some time.

Post: #225

(08-15-2014 01:43 PM)scorpion Wrote:  The militarized police had nothing to do with Mike Brown's death. Mike Brown died because he attacked a regular patrol cop. The militarized police only came in because a large number of black people in Ferguson began violently rioting and destroying local businesses.

The root of this problem is visible in this very thread: a large percentage of black people are simply unwilling or unable to believe that a young black man killed by police might have possibly done something to deserve it. This is the victim narrative I posted about earlier, and it's the major reason that blacks as a group are doing so poorly today. If your first reaction to a black guy getting killed by the police is, "Fuck that shit, let's riot!" rather than, "Let's try to figure out exactly what happened in this case then go from there," then you are just making the situation worse.

Here's reality: sometimes young black men do really stupid things, no different than any other group of people, or especially young men. If the stupid thing you do happens to involve a law enforcement officer and violence, you can't be surprised if things end up really bad for you. Further, if your reaction to such a situation is to blame racism and begin rioting you merely invite the sort of crackdown Ferguson is now experiencing. The government is using Ferguson as a guinea pig for a militarized police martial law operation, and they are only able to do this because blacks continue to buy into the victim narrative created by the left. The biggest enemy facing blacks is not white racism or the police, it's a black culture than has internalized the idea that black people are helpless victims who are totally dependent on whites.

That's it, it's settled.

We can all go home now, book em' Danno

Sounds like you have this whole case figured out (despite the finer details being withheld still)

One of the reasons you see these knee-jerk reactions in those communities IS because of the FREQUENCY of such incidents when the victim was wrongly assaulted. Surely, you are not going to convince me/us that law enforcement/judicial system has some spotless record with the black community.

You can't continuously piss on people, and try to convince them it's rain