Post: #326

(08-02-2014 12:47 AM)LeBeau Wrote:  

(08-01-2014 09:21 AM)reaper23 Wrote:  there are entire threads on BB boards talking about how generally women find their looks unappealing and they BB attract the kind of women they dont want. and more importantly, how once you reach a certain point your body building is really only for other men not for other women.

This.

A lot of guys have to recognize that body is just one aspect of overall game/lifestyle, but the problem is, once they get a positive reaction from girls for having a nice physique, they think doubling down on bodybuilding obsession will get them even greater results.

Improving your body and gaining muscle is not linear when it comes to attraction from women. There definitely is diminishing results and a leveling off after a certain point.

You think cute girls sit around talking about muscle insertion points?

Or how many chicks do you know that measure their bf's biceps?

WTF are you talking about, I have know idea what muscle insertion is.
I don't read BB forums, I base my experiences on real life.

Bottom line, you must be comfortable in your own skin. The test is how comfortable you feel at a pool party or club, walking around topless with hot chicks around.

Post: #327

^ I'm not debating that, being comfortable should be obvious. I was responding to reaper23, relax.

Post: #328

(07-10-2014 06:25 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  If you are jacked you will attract more desirable gals with less effort (fact).
Gals will generally touch you more (fact).
Gals will be more forward and direct with you (fact).
Guys will think twice about cockblocking you (fact).

I could go on but you get the idea. The sad truth is most dudes are out of shape, you owe it to yourself to get fit as possible.
If you haven't experienced what I talk about above, then get to the gym and start lifting.

Numbers and stats don't mean shit, it's how you look in clothes and at the pool. It's how you carry yourself!

^this

I recently started lifting again ( i stoped for medical reasons) and I've seen the difference how women respond to a in shape dude.

I've gotten more looks from girls.

More girls opening me and finding excuses to touch me. So being in shape does help.

Post: #329

Sure, if you look like a top bodybuilder on gear I can see that being a turnoff to some women. But 99% of natural lifters will never look freakish, because you can only get so big without gear.

I seriously doubt more than a few people on this forum will ever have to worry about becoming too big to attract women. If that's some kind of excuse people use for not lifting, it's straight up retarded. Stay natural, lift with high intensity and low reps, watch your diet to stay lean, and you'll be fine.

For the record I don't care if guys want to use gear. Personally I'm trying to keep my lean weight (I'm not lean at all right now, though) in the 185-190 range because I ski, hike, run, etc and lugging around an extra 20+ pounds of muscle is pointless. I want my muscle mass to be absolutely functional.

Post: #330

I had never thought of this, but

Aside from getting a better body, you can make your face look considerably more attractive

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread...891&page=1

Post: #331

Look at the guy in this video





- Old
- Ugly
- Thinning & Receding Hair
- Manlet: 5'5"
- Prostrating himself before the crowd & admitting flaws and insecurities
- Bizarre & unnatural physique due to abuse of injectable oils

And yet at 3:30 it can be argued that Tyra Banks a model is 'mirin hard.

Post: #332

There is obviously a point of diminishing returns, but this is a place where few people get to.

Post: #333

This thread has given me motivation.

I've always been rather lean. Through all my game days so far I've weighed in between 148-158 lbs. I'm 5'8, small bone structure so not lanky at my weight but also mid-high teens body fat %. Right now I have hit 158 for my heaviest weight so far to date after adding 10 pounds over the last few months. I thought eye contact and attention from women would decrease because I don't feel as comfortable at ~19 or so % body fat but it's only increasing.

Can't wait to see what things will be like at 170-175, my goal weight in a few months. I aim to go until I do find the point of diminishing returns from weight gain for me. Of course, I see a point where it will be harder to add on muscle mass and most of the weight will be from fat, so that is probably the point I will get to. Not sure where that will be just yet though. At least another 10 pounds to go..

Post: #334

I am 57 and weigh around 165 and I felt i got the most ioi at 150. I wasn't ripped or anything by the way

Post: #335

I was 6 foot and 240, had a gf but hurt my look as no one can pull that weight off. Now down to 184 and fairly shredded, it was a multi year process but I'm still more defined that 95% of guys in the gym and it's more or less just maintenance exercises now.

Post: #336

If you like young girls, my suggestion is that you get your body into tip-top shape.

You don't have to be the best-looking dude, but at least figure out how to make yourself look good style-wise and get into the gym.

Young girls get crazy horny for dudes with bangin' bodies. My bottom chick is in her late 20s, but all of the girls I date on the side are between 19-23.

All of them wanted to fuck me immediately, at that age shit is more primal than methodical. Older girls want to play mind games with you before their bodies get conquered, younger girls just want to get dominated as soon as possible by men they deem to be physically sexy.

They're masturbating their asses off to dudes who look like they would leave them in oceans of their own fluids, not average Joe cubicle jockey who's had one too many breakfast burritos and gets tired from looking for the remote.

Post: #337

For me it's always gone like this:

Just when you think you need to be in great ship to score a hot chick you see your friend who's bald, a little rotund and bland date a hottie and she falls in love with him.

Just when when you see this and you're like, "well this shows me I have to work on my personality now," you see another guy you know whose got fitness model looks but a completely selfish prick (beyond the point of dark triad attractiveness) pull hot chicks who want to get engaged to him.

Moral of the story: as long as you work on both your personality and your body, be happy that you're doing this and realize that most people aren't doing this. If you aren't happy with this you're going to be torn in a jealous mess from direction to direction with dudes who have better personalities and better bodies than you.

Post: #338

(12-14-2014 03:03 PM)monster Wrote:  If you aren't happy with this you're going to be torn in a jealous mess from direction to direction with dudes who have better personalities and better bodies than you.

I agree, but I don't think you should even see the other dudes, concentrate on just being the best version of yourself, and you'll be in a good place.

Also, I don't think anything one does should be done specifically for women, but I also like to be honest with the game, you can have a cool personality, but that alone is not what's going to get hot high school seniors and college freshmen into bed.

Post: #339

Appearances absolutely matter. Now more than ever, because girls increasingly have their own money.

Muscle is just one dimension of appearance. Style and grooming are others. And more important in my humble opinion.

Reckon being better dressed matters way more than being muscled. Of course being dapper doesn't cut it if you're fat, but if you're not fat, stinky and stupid, then looking sharp, smelling good and being a good conversationalist (that means always moving the convo in interesting directions) is adequate for good game.

I don't work out for girls, but when my bankroll starts to get better I might start hitting the clubs and my body get me laid. But if I really want to crank up the game, I should find myself a decent watch, get a load of good shirts and nice-fitting trousers and do interesting shit all day.

Post: #340

(12-15-2014 04:37 PM)ElJefe Wrote:  Appearances absolutely matter. Now more than ever, because girls increasingly have their own money.

Muscle is just one dimension of appearance. Style and grooming are others. And more important in my humble opinion.

Reckon being better dressed matters way more than being muscled. Of course being dapper doesn't cut it if you're fat, but if you're not fat, stinky and stupid, then looking sharp, smelling good and being a good conversationalist (that means always moving the convo in interesting directions) is adequate for good game.

I don't work out for girls, but when my bankroll starts to get better I might start hitting the clubs and my body get me laid. But if I really want to crank up the game, I should find myself a decent watch, get a load of good shirts and nice-fitting trousers and do interesting shit all day.

Agreed, style and an interesting life/personality definitely makes more of a difference than being fit.
You can be shredded as but if your clothes don't fit you or you look like you're wearing your dads hand-me-downs then you're not going to do that well.

The caveat to that is if you live somewhere with a massive beach culture and you'll be spending a lot of your time topless. Then being shredded will most likely help you a lot as it will be on display a lot.

IMO work out/keep fit for your personal health and well being. Dress well for the ladies.

Post: #341

These are always fun, yet full of shit, the picture on the left is what men think a woman's ideal man would look like, while the one on the right is what women describe as their ideal.

Post: #342

^ The guy on the left makes women uncomfortable and insecure about themselves. This is not an ideal world and yes women date all kinds.

Post: #343

I know a lot of girls who watch wrestling just to check out the muscle guys. I can just tell they get wet when John Cena comes on.

At the same time I have seen ugly but jacked dudes in the clubs alone whilst skinny but 'cute' guys clean up.

Post: #344

Very interesting question!

Back in the 90's I'd say yes. EVerybody was skinny and there was no social media.The problem nowadays is, standards have increased dramatically. Hot girls are following people like jeff seid, lazar angelov etc and expecting this is a normal jacked body/desirable body type.
When i say girls, i mean hot girls. I mean the girls in your age group, the girls in your social circle, whether you believe it or not are following jeff seid and co on instagram. Womens standards are getting skyhigh due to social media, due to expos, they are seeing people like jeff and his crew posing at expos, they are seeing the amount of followers and men who IDOLIZE them and guess what? They want them. They don't want the boy with the 16.5 inch arms at 14% bodyfat, who thinks he lifts, gone are dem days.

When you whip your shirt off they want that dry, shredded with size look, the one that just captivates their eyes and causes vaginal precipitation. I guess even Roosh predicted that in the future pro-hormones will be an indispensable part of game.

Welcome to the New Puss Order my friends!

Post: #345

(03-27-2015 10:26 PM)jariel Wrote:  These are always fun, yet full of shit, the picture on the left is what men think a woman's ideal man would look like, while the one on the right is what women describe as their ideal.

I rather be the guy on the left any day. Fuck what Women or anyone else thinks.

Post: #346

Women love muscles. And 200 lbs is not bodybuilder type muscle. I dunno how lean you're talking. A 200 pounder with a solid six pack is going to be a beastly dude. 200 lbs with a 4 pack or just a "flat stomach" is not so beastly, but doing better than average.

I bet your friend started relying more on his looks than his game, and its hurt him. Or, perhaps, a different style of game is needed when you're a sexy beast. And he has not adjusted.

Post: #347

is there a point of diminishing return on weightlifting? maybe, but you you'll never get there, unless you've been blasting for years, so don't worry about it, kid.

Post: #348

I don't lift for women, I lift for me, and so should every guy who does.

I have a similar natural build to Dwayne Johnson (obviously nowhere near as ripped and I am maybe half a foot shorter) but proportionally v. similar. I can build muscle easily, but like him, have a tendency to carry extra fat so have to be careful, especially with carbs.

Post: #349

You're THIS big?



I don't think that's natural...

Post: #350

(04-05-2015 07:29 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  You're THIS big?



I don't think that's natural...

Nah haha! I mean more what he looked like during the early WWF days. And I don't touch the jungle juice, would effect me most important muscle too much, and I need that...