Post: #301

Just don't be niche. That's always been my belief. Skinny guys can pull. Jacked as fuck guys can pull. Even overweight guys can pull. But a lot of those guys are pulling girls that have niche attractions. Girls that like the teddy bear/cuddly type of body types are gonna seek out heavy guys and not give skinny guys a chance. Hipster chicks and punk chicks are usually skinny themselves and will more likely go after a skinny dude than a bigger one. Fitness freaks and girls that are always at the gym will more likely be attracted to those jacked dudes.

The goal is to be in a nice lean and defined shape where you're attracting a good range of women. Where no one is blowing you out for your body type alone and most women are going to give you a chance.

Post: #302

As a lifter (5 years now) and starting to get jacked, you can easily hide your lifter's physique as long as you're not a fire hydrant. Clothing choices are crucial and situational. I can roll into work in jeans and a button up shirt and not look jacked but look fit. I can swap that shirt for a tshirt and look jacked.

Choices...my friends choices...

Post: #303

What's a "fire hydrant"?

Post: #304

(07-09-2014 09:38 AM)RexImperator Wrote:  What's a "fire hydrant"?

Fire Plug = Fire Hydrant - it's a reference to someone who is ridiculously built in a comical way.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fireplug

Post: #305

I am a firm believer that you cannot get too big without taking steroids. The guy you think is too big is most likely fat.

Let's say you are 6 foot tall. Naturally you can be at fairly lean 10% bodyfat at about 200-210 lbs with good genetics. That is by no means huge, because you are going to be smaller than the fat 210lb dude.

Now lets say you see a muscular and too big dude at 240 lb same height. He is most likely at or above 20% bodyfat, which means that while he looks muscular in his shirt he can still loose over 30lb of pure fat without loosing muscle.

Only guys that can get out of proportions big without steroids are very short guys.

Post: #306

Depends?

I think most guys will never hit that point, so I don't worry about it. Think about when someone plays a video game and says that a certain character, technique or strategy is overpowered. It's usually a casual player complaining about how imbalanced something is. And it's usually the casual player who can hardly grasp the effective use of this technique, character or strategy. However, when a consistently high level player begins to struggle against a strategy, even after confronting it from multiple angles, we then can begin to see why something is overpowered. The point i'm making is that only at the highest of the high level would things begin to really begin to become a diminishing return.

Think of the player who can pull the dream (pulling everyday of the week), at some point he would be better served by working more, acquiring more capital and improving his life.

In regards to fitness, there comes a certain point where your physique won't go too much further without performance enhancing drugs, and most women have no fucking clue about that. They'll see your 6 pack and go, "Whao, your'e in shape." I have a mediocre physique 5'8 150 pounds and relatively low body fat and women compliment me on my physique. it's a noticeable aspect of my person, and that's just it.

Few women can name half the muscle groups they so admire, so if your entire reason for building a physique is to attract women, then I'd say you're waisting your time going beyond the lean, low body-fat look. On the other hand, if you're into fitness because you enjoy it, then you can take it really fucking far. Far beyond what you can even imagine. Let's say you begin to naturally cap out on your power lifts? well then, start working on getting your cardio vascular strength to that level. Perhaps even consider taking up a sport of some sort to take advantage of all the strength and coordination you've built.

Fitness and game seem to be infinite grinds as long as you can find pleasure in them, that is.

Hopefully that was helpful.

Post: #307

(07-06-2014 12:25 PM)Mister X Wrote:  Girls that like the teddy bear/cuddly type of body types are gonna seek out heavy guys and not give skinny guys a chance. Hipster chicks and punk chicks are usually skinny themselves and will more likely go after a skinny dude than a bigger one. Fitness freaks and girls that are always at the gym will more likely be attracted to those jacked dudes.

Except I fuck hipster chicks and fitness chicks and hippie chicks and just about any other type you can name, I've been with. This supposed pre-selection based upon type isn't happening, from my experience.

I stated this earlier in this thread, but I'll repeat my point:

All women are naturally attracted to dominant physiology, except the ones with obvious abuse issues, and they just end up attracted to dominant women instead: the lesbians and professors and media stars of feminism.

Never listen to what a girl says she wants. They honestly don't know. There's enough research out there in girl's partner preferences to know it's pointless ascribing any serious weight to them.

A girl's stated preference for qualities in a partner is: repeatedly-shown to have no relation to who she eventually chooses as a partner; and will change once she's in a relationship to match the qualities her partner possesses.

For example, she'll say she prefers a guy with a shaven chest until she's in love with a partner who has a hairy chest, then she'll say she prefers a hairy chest.

Much like a woman's best friends and political ideologies, partner preferences change like the weather.

What I always hear from women if I mention my training goals: "Oh you're nice the size you are." Fair enough, but it's funny how putting on any serious mass has never once made a girlfriend dump me. I guarantee you no woman has ever said to a man: "Oh, I'm sorry, you got too big for me, and you're no longer my type." They'll just look for any excuse to touch your body, and are far more clingy and affectionate in public with you, marking out their territory to make the girls around them eat shit and envy her social status, because, look at what she can attract.

Hell, in the time with my current girlfriend, I've been between 90 and 106 kgs. I even went from stubble to a full beard, which she originally said she wasn't sure about. Guess what she said when I casually-mentioned maybe shaving it off the other day?

Post: #308

(07-09-2014 03:18 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(07-06-2014 12:25 PM)Mister X Wrote:  Girls that like the teddy bear/cuddly type of body types are gonna seek out heavy guys and not give skinny guys a chance. Hipster chicks and punk chicks are usually skinny themselves and will more likely go after a skinny dude than a bigger one. Fitness freaks and girls that are always at the gym will more likely be attracted to those jacked dudes.

Except I fuck hipster chicks and fitness chicks and hippie chicks and just about any other type you can name, I've been with. This supposed pre-selection based upon type isn't happening, from my experience.

I stated this earlier in this thread, but I'll repeat my point:

All women are naturally attracted to dominant physiology, except the ones with obvious abuse issues, and they just end up attracted to dominant women instead: the lesbians and professors and media stars of feminism.

Never listen to what a girl says she wants. They honestly don't know. There's enough research out there in girl's partner preferences to know it's pointless ascribing any serious weight to them.

A girl's stated preference for qualities in a partner is: repeatedly-shown to have no relation to who she eventually chooses as a partner; and will change once she's in a relationship to match the qualities her partner possesses.

For example, she'll say she prefers a guy with a shaven chest until she's in love with a partner who has a hairy chest, then she'll say she prefers a hairy chest.

Much like a woman's best friends and political ideologies, partner preferences change like the weather.

What I always hear from women if I mention my training goals: "Oh you're nice the size you are." Fair enough, but it's funny how putting on any serious mass has never once made a girlfriend dump me. I guarantee you no woman has ever said to a man: "Oh, I'm sorry, you got too big for me, and you're no longer my type." They'll just look for any excuse to touch your body, and are far more clingy and affectionate in public with you, marking out their territory to make the girls around them eat shit and envy her social status, because, look at what she can attract.

Hell, in the time with my current girlfriend, I've been between 90 and 106 kgs. I even went from stubble to a full beard, which she originally said she wasn't sure about. Guess what she said when I casually-mentioned maybe shaving it off the other day?

Right, that's where game comes in. You can, if your game is tight, be able to attract a wide variety of different women.

But regardless, there are women out there who are niche, girls who you are going to have an easier time gaming because they're already attracted to your physique. I listed the body types that I think, on their own, without game and just solely physical attraction, will open you to a pool of women already into those body types. There are girls who *do* prefer skinny men, and there are others who prefer large, chunky men, or seriously buff men. Of course, no matter your body type, you can approach her if you dig her and try to run game, but you'll be going against her dating history. Which is not impossible by any means by the way; just saying.

But I think, if you take 4 guys with all different body types -- skinny, chunky, super buff, and a healthy size with decent definition and ask women to pick who they thought was the hottest on pure physicality alone -- most women would choose the healthy sized with decent definition -- the other dudes are niche.

I don't think your body type limits the amount of women you can get, but I do think that it changes the pool of who's into you on surface level. But again, game is the equalizer. I've had many girls who typically dated X guy but ended up with me. But if I didn't have the game to get her, she would have gone with another X.

Post: #309

there are definitely diminishing returns. like i said, i'm at 6'4" 225 and 12%. do you think i'm going to get even more/better chicks just because i was at 235 and 12%?

doubtful.

and as the guy above said, once you started getting really jacked you do become kind of niche.

there may be a stronger impact on those niche loving girls though, but less wide of a net.

same thing with my beard. the girls that love it, love it. others hate it.

Post: #310

I also wonder if it's not just physical but also the positive and negative stereotypes that come with each body type.

Skinny - trendy, hip, artistic...but also scrawny, not able to hold their own in a fight or sexually handle a woman that isn't petite
Chunky - funny/silly, able to protect...but also unhealthy
Beast - prime physical form, manly man, protector...but also narcissistic, spends too much time at the gym, intimidating figure, etc
Moderate definition and mass - ???

I don't know. I think your pool changes depending on what you are. Not in terms of how many women you can get, but what kind of women you can get just on looks alone, before game. Of course as I said, once you add game into the equation it changes everything.

Post: #311

If you are jacked you will attract more desirable gals with less effort (fact).
Gals will generally touch you more (fact).
Gals will be more forward and direct with you (fact).
Guys will think twice about cockblocking you (fact).

I could go on but you get the idea. The sad truth is most dudes are out of shape, you owe it to yourself to get fit as possible.
If you haven't experienced what I talk about above, then get to the gym and start lifting.

Numbers and stats don't mean shit, it's how you look in clothes and at the pool. It's how you carry yourself!

Post: #312

At the end of the day, you need to do it for yourself. I go to the gym everyday. I do it because I enjoy working out. Also, to offset the damage I do when I eat. I don't think external motivations can ever be something to be relied on for the long run. I know it gets mentioned often, but caring what other people think just means you have little control of your life.

I am gonna be this guy at 70, with hair

Post: #313

From my experience, muscles help, no matter how good looking you are. When I was 21, I was 203 at 6 foot 2 at around 10-11 percent body fat. Had very a thick lower body, massive glutes and about 15 inch arms (not huge, but good size). At 22, Got into a car accident and dropped to about 185 but still very lean. Body is still good enough, but there are a few standouts:

At 205 pounds, more girls would grab my ass at clubs. When I would dance with them, they would squeeze this shit out of my ass like guys do to girls. Overall, girls were much more touchy. Portrayed more animalistic behaviour. When we would have sex, they would tell me my body was so hot and sexy. They would do the kinkiest shit like like my stomach, arms, etc.

At 185, not as much touching. Ass gets grabbed less, less arm rubbing, etc. Funny thing is I pull better looking girls now because my skin is acne-less and my face got a lot leaner because of the 20 pounds I lost. My jaw and cheekbones pop like crazy but overall, girls touch less. But when I was 205, the girls I pulled had bigger ass and tits.

Post: #314

It might be all in my head, but sometimes it seems like, after adding some bulk, the reactions I get aren't as positive as they were last year when I was much weaker.

Post: #315

IMNSHO: A lot of guys think that they're "big" - they may be strictly speaking, but they're fat too. e.g. I'm 5'10" ~195 and 9.8% bf last time checked. there would be a huge difference at the same weight if my bf was - say 24%.

It's the difference between the fight club look and being a meathead - and Pitt is MUCH smaller than I am in that flick - chicks just dig the way he looks in it. What guys see vs what chicks see are different things. Those of us who lift are dimorphic, it takes a while but most of us end up being so.

Meathead = no
Fight Club Look = yes

(07-26-2014 08:21 AM)RexImperator Wrote:  It might be all in my head, but sometimes it seems like, after adding some bulk, the reactions I get aren't as positive as they were last year when I was much weaker.

Post: #316

For me personally; I'm around 6'0. Before I started lifting I was around 155lb ripped. I had average success with women.

Over the course of a year I bulked to 180lb & lost my 6 pack. Despite this, 180lb with bigger arms & no abs pulled girls far easier than 155lb ripped.

My next step was to cut the excess fat. I cut to 170lb ripped & once again found it far harder to pull women.

The cycle continued & I gained to around 205lb without a 6 pack. This seemed to be a tipping point & the ease of pulling women was similar to my 155lb days.

I subsequently cut to 190lb lean & it's the easiest I've ever had it with the opposite sex.

As a qualifier though, I'm Australian & muscles are like crack to women over here. My closest friends are around 220lb lean & women put up zero resistance 99% of the time. When we travelled to Europe however, their ease of picking up women diminished slightly.

Post: #317

It's also amazing how lifting makes you more aggressive and bold in approaches. I hadn't worked out good in a few weeks due to busy schedule. Today, I decided to get back on track and hit the gym hard.
After, I went to whole foods and saw a girl I'd pussed out on before. Went right up to her in line at the check out. Chatted her up...walked out with her and number closed.
After that, I walked back in and chatted up a few women at the salad bar. They didn't seem interested. Point is, in addition to muscle attracting the opposite sex. Lifting just makes you approach easier and seems, for me at least, to reduce my AA.

Post: #318

(07-09-2014 04:12 PM)reaper23 Wrote:  and as the guy above said, once you started getting really jacked you do become kind of niche.

Finding a good niche is one of the most powerful tools in all of game.

But sometimes your "natural" niche isn't the one you want to be in.

WIA

Post: #319

there are entire threads on BB boards talking about how generally women find their looks unappealing and they BB attract the kind of women they dont want. and more importantly, how once you reach a certain point your body building is really only for other men not for other women.

Post: #320

^keep believing that. Lol

Post: #321

Just to weigh in I think it's a lot of how comfortable you feel in your own skin.

When I was 210 lbs on gear I pulled out a lot less than I do now at 180lbs. If I had to narrow down one thing it was how comfortable I was with who I was. I think I had taken gear to compensate for something to get as big and alpha looking as I could, but still what was on the inside showed through. Now I'm a lot smaller but a whole lot more comfortable with who I am, what my values are (as opposed to just looking physically dominant) and more, and I pull a lot more.

Post: #322

(08-01-2014 08:56 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  ^keep believing that. Lol

professionalmuscle.com

i am too lazy to find the thread.

Post: #323

(08-01-2014 09:21 AM)reaper23 Wrote:  there are entire threads on BB boards talking about how generally women find their looks unappealing and they BB attract the kind of women they dont want. and more importantly, how once you reach a certain point your body building is really only for other men not for other women.

This.

A lot of guys have to recognize that body is just one aspect of overall game/lifestyle, but the problem is, once they get a positive reaction from girls for having a nice physique, they think doubling down on bodybuilding obsession will get them even greater results.

Improving your body and gaining muscle is not linear when it comes to attraction from women. There definitely is diminishing results and a leveling off after a certain point.

You think cute girls sit around talking about muscle insertion points?

Or how many chicks do you know that measure their bf's biceps?

Post: #324

Offcourse. Weight lifting can do you more harm than good if you lose youself in it. With the ladies as well as professional.

Here in Belgium there is always the stigma that bodybuilders are dumb and agressive. It's works very counterproductive while seeking a job.

With ladies, as mentioned before, you become a niche player. A big percentage will be turned off by your bodybuilder appearance, a small percentage will be hugely turned on by your physique.

But, when you look around, how many jacked dudes do you know with attractive girlfriends? Surely not the majority. And these girlfriends are oftens sluts and/or borderliners with issues.

Source: been in the gym for 7 years, and weighed anything from a jacked 220 to a weak 180 at 6 feet. Above 200 lbs was the point where the positive reactions diminished in my case. It was the point where people started to ask me 'are you a bodybuilder' instead of 'do you work out a lot'.

Post: #325

Diminishing returns on looks? Possibly. Never diminishing returns on strength, which is my primary focus.

Couple of weeks ago I was exiting some basement bar. Girl I saw on dance floor had eyes for me and was making her exit ahead of me but the stairs were pretty steep and she had platforms.

I simply picked her up and took her to the stop, making sure my hands were on her tits and ass the whole time. Went to another place with her and pulled.

Women want strong men.