Thanks for the response Aneroid. I sent you a PM clarifying some stuff.

(THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO TINDER OR OTHER ONLINE GAME)

Not sure if this has been mentioned already but the straight up hard truth is if the girl is down, it doesn't really matter what the fuck you text if you did a good job establishing your sexual male to female intent in your face to face interaction. I know it might not be a popular answer but I wish somebody had told me this years ago because I would've saved a lot of time agonizing over what this text means or that text means and did I say the right thing, when really the girl just wasn't into me or rather I wasn't on point in my rap to her. At least in my case, I usually started caring too much because I had little to no other options. I would recommend, instead of focusing on text game, try to focus on gathering more leads, whether that means hitting up more clubs, malls, online game, whatever. It's sales 101. Try to get more leads and focus on the ones that respond.

Here's a simple way to gauge if a girl is at least "warm". After your interaction, just sending any text to her. If she replies right away, she's into you (for now at least). If she replies later that night, she's into (so long as she had a good reason for not replying sooner such as she had school or was out with friends). If she doesn't reply at all, just let it go and move on. Developing your "intuition" is a huge factor with game and something I continuously try to improve on as women are way more advanced than guys with that shit.

Good luck soldiers

Here's a potentially common "what should I text next" scenario.

Got digits from a girl at a bar tonight. Not sure where the interest is, but we had some good convo. Did the whole number exchange, confirmed I have her actual number.

Thinking of shooting her the "nice meeting you last night" + some qualifier to keep the convo going. She's moving to a neighborhood im super familiar with, so I'm thinking of being super direct and asking her to drinks at a place I know nearby where she's moving.

I'd prefer not being THAT direct, and at least throwing some banter in between whatever first text I send and my ultimate ask her on a date.

So, what should I text next fellas?

(06-16-2017 01:13 AM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  In addition to what calidude said, let's break down your texts:

Your words: 68
Her words: 44
Verdict: Too wordy.

Your emoticons: 0
Her emoticons: 2
Verdict: You're not using emoticons too much, that's great. However...

Your unecessary "haha" or "lol": 2
Her unecessary "haha" or "lol": 1 (I'm not counting her "Hahah for real!" because she was laughing and agreeing with what you said)
Verdict: Since you shouldn't be using them at all at the end of a sentence, you need to cut that shit out.

Your questions: 3 (counting the weak text that you were GOING to ask her out where you already told her it's all good that she wasn't available even though you never even fucking asked her)
Her questions: 1
Verdict: You're interviewing her instead of making interesting comments, making her laugh, or engaging her emotion and playfulness/sexuality. In addition, you always answered her questions, falling into her frame. Even your answer on the dive bar was very weak, admitting that you didn't even know where it was. Do you really think a girl wants a guy that invites her somewhere he has no idea where it is, much less a random friend? I don't want to go somewhere you sort of heard of that's maybe in a certain area. Why would I want to wander around maybe finding a place? Sounds boring.

I think if she was actually still physical with you your in-person game is a lot better than your text game. You had your arms around this girl and you thought (I hope correctly) that she was into you. Why would you then act like a doormat/meekly over text?

Totally incongruent, which will dry up the pussy rather fast. Get her in person either working or otherwise and escalate using that same fun game that got her interested in the first place.

Yeah, I'm not going to lie my text game is garbage so I just try to stick to logistics. I haven't texted her since then, and I was thinking of hitting her up Tuesday or Wednesday to see if she wanted to check out this summer music festival that's going on next weekend. Should I text her before then to get some banter between us, or should I just stick to asking her out later this week at this point?

I have actually been texting playful shit with one of my other coworkers and she ended up asking if I liked her, but she's ugly and has a boyfriend so I said no which is the truth.

I avoid doing this with girls I'm interested in because I don't want to come off as needy, but should I take this approach instead?

Ugh, I had a major slipup yesterday with a flaky girl I've been seeing since November, she blew me off a couple weeks ago and it had been radio silence from me since, she sent me some pictures from a wedding last night, asked me if I was home, I said, "I'll be home at 1, text me when you park."

I had been working for sixteen hours and was getting the flake feeling, after I got home I wrote, "U coming? Crashing soon." She didn't respond for ten minutes and I said, "Going to bed, you're weird."

She apologized ten minutes later and said talk to you tomorrow, but this is the most beta thing I've done here. I guess I have no choice but radio silence for a long while, right? She was already losing interest.

^You should have stuck with your initial message. Nothing else. If she didn't respond, you have other women in your pipeline. You are the prize. If she doesn't respond, find a girl that does.

(06-18-2017 03:17 PM)Remington Wrote:  ^You should have stuck with your initial message. Nothing else. If she didn't respond, you have other women in your pipeline. You are the prize. If she doesn't respond, find a girl that does.

Yeah, I know, this is my low moment of the past year. I've improved significantly, I guess I'm posting this as penance. I was exhausted and got angry.

Thank you.

(06-18-2017 04:05 PM)egionesco Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 03:17 PM)Remington Wrote:  ^You should have stuck with your initial message. Nothing else. If she didn't respond, you have other women in your pipeline. You are the prize. If she doesn't respond, find a girl that does.

Yeah, I know, this is my low moment of the past year. I've improved significantly, I guess I'm posting this as penance. I was exhausted and got angry.

Thank you.

Hey man, trial and error. Experiment with what you do. You never know what can happen. Stay confident and explore.

Got the number of a cute petite student. She told me she had a bf but was willing to meet for a coffee. I noticed she'd actually created two contacts with the same name but different phone numbers in my phone. I texted one of them.


   

Her name reminded me of ET and she told me she took extra courses for fun. Was I too sarcastic or maybe "other things for fun" conveyed a lecherous meaning?

Duedue, it's pretty good actually. It's ambiguous and the reader has to infer lecherousness. I think you're reading too much into it. It's not even sarcastic.
Her: what do you mean "for fun"? I have a bf.
you: fun like movies and shopping. Do you have a dirty mind?
And just continue from there.

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But she didn't answer.

(Today 06:21 AM)duedue Wrote:  But she didn't answer.

You said she put two different contacts with two different numbers in your phone, and you said you texted one of them.

Tried the other one?

Backstory, I was in Hungary recently, and went out with a very, very attractive Hungarian chick. Lets call her Nina. We met on Tinder, messaged for a bit, and when I asked to meet up she says she likes to get to know a guy for a long time before meeting him. We start talking on FB messenger, and then WhatsApp, I spit some shit and get her to agree to meet two days later.

We meet up and she's even hotter in person. A nine. We chat for a couple hours at a restaurant, then go on a walk. My usual M.O. is to go for the kiss mid-date, so I do. This time while we're walking. We make out for a bit, then we walk around Budapest for a while holding hands while she shows me some of the sights. Kiss some more, etc., then I walk her to the bust stop and she goes home. Total date time maybe 4 hours.

When we first made out, she mentioned right after that she doesnt like to kiss on the first date, and if this is how I usually do it with american girls. Didnt stop her from continuing to kiss and hold hands though.

We msg again that night, and she says she had a great time and she'd love to go out again. Everythings gucci. We talk the next day too. Still gucci. Now this



The first part was congruent with what I know about her. From our conversation before we met, she had all her prior boyfriends had started as friends and she moves slow into relationships. But the last part of the text, the friendzone part, was confusing. So I asked if she meant she wanted to go slow, or is she meant she didnt feel anything more than friends. She said





I've been around a long time. So I know this is bullshit, and I know the reason for the text in spite of me being "handomse funny clever" is because those things don't necessarily tickle a chick's vagina. I wanted to get her to say it, but obviously no dice.

My theory is that I was simply too nice on the date - hence the use of "nice and likeable" in the first text, which in most circumstances is a death note.

She says she doesnt know why she didnt feel anything but she already said it in her text. And to me, confirmed it in one of her next texts, after I told her she wouldn't think of me as a friend for long if we kept seeing each other. It said

"Okay but please dont talk about it. I don't wanna hurt u "

Now that is a friendzone.

Do any of you guys have experience with hot Hungarian girls and can translate the last few days even further? Her last boyfriend she said she stuck around with for a year after deciding he was unmotivated and no good. My theory is because he was not a nice guy, which she liked, and he fucked the shit outta her, which she liked.

I could now just begin asshole game, but it would be incongruent with what she knows from me, and that last text about not wanting to hurt me (FUCK) signals her mind is now deep into the friendzone.

Would appreciate any analysis or suggestions.

Jack,
Simply put, whatever you are, she thinks she can do better. That's all there is to it. Sorry.
A lot of EE girls will let local guys get away with a lot of stuff that foreigners can't. So you can't say her bf was an ugly bum and I'm much better. EE girls have 2 standards, local guys and foreigners.
The best thing to do at this point is to invite her out with a large group of people and show no affection. In a large group she may feel more comfortable and find reasons to convince herself that she wants to sleep with you.
Good luck

(Today 12:39 PM)TornadoByProxy Wrote:  Jack,
Simply put, whatever you are, she thinks she can do better. That's all there is to it. Sorry.
A lot of EE girls will let local guys get away with a lot of stuff that foreigners can't. So you can't say her bf was an ugly bum and I'm much better. EE girls have 2 standards, local guys and foreigners.
The best thing to do at this point is to invite her out with a large group of people and show no affection. In a large group she may feel more comfortable and find reasons to convince herself that she wants to sleep with you.
Good luck

I don't know if her ex was an ugly bum. For whatever reason she stuck with him for 3 years, so he must have been doing something right. She also had an ex she found out was gay, and wasn't surprised, so she's got a lot of range.

And yeah its clear she thinks she can do better. I'm more mad because I could have given her better. And also because my ego took a gigantic blow, obviously... I thought she was in the bag.

Your point about different standards for locals and foreigners is interesting. I suppose I'm still learning about that.

(Today 04:38 PM)jackflag Wrote:  [...]

And yeah its clear she thinks she can do better. I'm more mad because I could have given her better. And also because my ego took a gigantic blow, obviously... I thought she was in the bag.

C'mon, man, you know it's in the bag ONLY when you put it in...

(Today 06:19 PM)ksbms Wrote:  

(Today 04:38 PM)jackflag Wrote:  [...]

And yeah its clear she thinks she can do better. I'm more mad because I could have given her better. And also because my ego took a gigantic blow, obviously... I thought she was in the bag.

C'mon, man, you know it's in the bag ONLY when you put it in...

true

all indications were a go though. this was a very sudden and unexpected flip. i know that's to be expected from chicks... but its still a bitch when it does

(Today 12:20 PM)jackflag Wrote:  Backstory, I was in Hungary recently, and went out with a very, very attractive Hungarian chick. Lets call her Nina. We met on Tinder, messaged for a bit, and when I asked to meet up she says she likes to get to know a guy for a long time before meeting him. We start talking on FB messenger, and then WhatsApp, I spit some shit and get her to agree to meet two days later.

We meet up and she's even hotter in person. A nine. We chat for a couple hours at a restaurant, then go on a walk.

I think you kinda lost when you agreed to her 'getting to know for a long time before meeting'. Again, it was a chick on TINDER. And what a 9 is doing on Tinder, by the way?

Probably you played to her tune too much, aka, she snatched the frame from the beginning. Probably was pumped and dumped off Tinder a number of times and got bored of it and you, instead of pushing for the meet up and fucking her like other guys, AGREED to play mr Nice Guy because she was hot (nice guys finish last, ta-da!), took her to a restaurant (wtf were you thinking?), did the hand holding, went for a romantic walk, didn't push for the the lay - in other words, gave her all this Hollywoodesque spiel with a little online twist, instead 'a guy accidentally bumps into a girl in a library'. By being nice you told her you don't fuck girls like her, so you tried to play it safe, bad move.

Girls say they want this shit like in the movies but they really don't. You were just... nice. Nothing really wrong with it per se, it just doesn't arouse bitches. Contrast is king.

Also, your painstakingly asking for explanations made it worse. Once she wrote she didn't have romantic feelings, you should've gone radio silence. I guess half the things she wrote are bullshit. Frankly, your message, “Can u be honest again, and express why u think there was no romantic interest this time?" is cringeworthy beta. You're like a little disappointed little puppy who missed his meal on time and thinks if it whines, it's gonna get it meal back. Fat chance.

What can you do now? Next. (Actually, sorry to say that, she nexted you.)

Your best bet is to completely ignore her. Ideally, mentally move on, focus on other chicks, luckily she'll see you somewhere around town or at a venue with a hotter chick and reinitiate but don't expect it. The upside is you can learn a lot from this for the next time and avoid mistakes.

It has to be Zero Fuck Given frame with this broads these days. Especially with Tinder broads.

(06-22-2017 06:37 PM)ksbms Wrote:  I think you kinda lost when you agreed to her 'getting to know for a long time before meeting'. Again, it was a chick on TINDER. And what a 9 is doing on Tinder, by the way?

Just to clarify, we didn't get to know each other for a long time before meeting. That's what she wanted to do, but I pushed for the meetup a couple nights after matching and she agreed.

Quote:Probably you played to her tune too much, aka, she snatched the frame from the beginning. Probably was pumped and dumped off Tinder a number of times and got bored of it and you, instead of pushing for the meet up and fucking her like other guys, AGREED to play mr Nice Guy because she was hot (nice guys finish last, ta-da!), took her to a restaurant (wtf were you thinking?), did the hand holding, went for a romantic walk, didn't push for the the lay - in other words, gave her all this Hollywoodesque spiel with a little online twist, instead 'a guy accidentally bumps into a girl in a library'. By being nice you told her you don't fuck girls like her, so you tried to play it safe, bad move.

Possibly. I don't claim to know what she was thinking, but I'm pretty sure not trying hard enough to fuck her wasn't the problem.

Quote:Girls say they want this shit like in the movies but they really don't. You were just... nice. Nothing really wrong with it per se, it just doesn't arouse bitches. Contrast is king.

This I may agree with.

Quote:Also, your painstakingly asking for explanations made it worse. Once she wrote she didn't have romantic feelings, you should've gone radio silence. I guess half the things she wrote are bullshit. Frankly, your message, “Can u be honest again, and express why u think there was no romantic interest this time?" is cringeworthy beta. You're like a little disappointed little puppy who missed his meal on time and thinks if it whines, it's gonna get it meal back. Fat chance.

I agree. But tbh, I asked that partly because I was leaving Hungary soon, didn't see a chance to fuck her before that, and wanted to be able to correct whatever went wrong for future endeavors. I was hoping to get a useful confirmation from her, but she pulled the idk lol routine so I'm still stuck making educated guesses with you guys.

If I was sticking around, I would have avoided the information gathering and just tried to get her out again to try some other shit on her.

Quote:Your best bet is to completely ignore her. Ideally, mentally move on, focus on other chicks, luckily she'll see you somewhere around town or at a venue with a hotter chick and reinitiate but don't expect it. The upside is you can learn a lot from this for the next time and avoid mistakes.

I have lots of other chicks I'm currently focusing on. Its been a very successful trip. Unfortunately, as any athlete will tell you, you can have 99 good games and its the one bad one that you will obsess over.

This was an ego blow. I'm not in love with her, I simply thought I had something that I didn't, and want to determine exactly what happened so it doesn't happen again.

I'm stuck. Cutie i met at a work event and we exchanged numbers.

what do you respond to

"Someone told me you asked about me"

i probably did but i don't remember.

i'm thinking

"thats cool. probably. lets grab a drink this weekend"

(06-22-2017 08:41 PM)endless11 Wrote:  I'm stuck. Cutie i met at a work event and we exchanged numbers.

what do you respond to

"Someone told me you asked about me"

i probably did but i don't remember.

i'm thinking

"thats cool. probably. lets grab a drink this weekend"

Nah, don't play to her tune of framing it up as you being a horny chaser and a potential creep (her implication of your gathering information about her from third-parties). Don't bait on that conversational thread.

Defy expectations. Your suggested reply is what can be expected of a corporate worker jumping with excitement. Do you work together? If yes, do nothing.

Otherwise, send some non-sequitur. Birthday cat should get her thinking and re-text you. If she does, her interest is strong. Then hammer it in.

(06-22-2017 08:41 PM)endless11 Wrote:  I'm stuck. Cutie i met at a work event and we exchanged numbers.

what do you respond to

"Someone told me you asked about me"

i probably did but i don't remember.

i'm thinking

"thats cool. probably. lets grab a drink this weekend"

"who is this?" (if you think you can pull off the obviously fucking with her followup)

"creep creep creep!"

"dork, just say hi"

not sure how to play this. cute girl with huge knockers I've been messaging on pof. she's located in a city I'll be visiting in a few weeks. I already got the date but now we've moved offsite to texting. my goal is to keep interest simmering until the date when I aim to smash.

Her 6/22 9:32pm: It's XXX from pof
Me 6/22 9:40pm: heyy what trouble you getting into
Her 6/23 5:56am: Hey my bad I went to bed early last night

potential lines:

- joke about sleeping early
- tell her something cool that I did instead
- no need to make excuses I'm not your man yet

your play? and how long to wait to text back?

^Abundance mentality is your friend. You don't need to say anything witty every time you respond to a girl. It's just a waste of time to try and figure something cool to say. If that happens to me, I usually say something like "gotcha" or "no worries." I leave it close ended to see if she will actually come back with something of more substance.

If she doesn't respond to that, you can always send a restart the next day.

- joke about sleeping early
You're playing into her frame. Don't be a clown for them.

- tell her something cool that I did instead
I wouldn't do this either. If you acknowledge that you were waiting for a reply you look needy.

- no need to make excuses I'm not your man yet
Definitely don't like this line. You haven't even met her yet.

You said you want to keep the chat going. Just text her this afternoon with a nonsequitor.
"the lakers didn't draft me with the second pick. I'm firing my agent"

Edit: I agree with Remington too.