(08-23-2015 07:21 PM)duedue Wrote:  

(08-23-2015 05:38 PM)Vincent Chase Wrote:  Yeah women hate it when you're pushing for a meet up online too fast, because it looks like you care too much, the "I don't even know you" line triggers in their brains. I've destroyed many numbers this way.

Getting to know a stranger via text is something I absolutely hate. I have this problem when getting a number in person as well. I usually push for a meeting within the first conversation. (Although Roosh's text guide suggests something similar, doesn't? )
I guess I'm old fashioned, I like face to face talk. I have to adapt, I know.

Therein is the issue NEVER try to correspond or impress via text - the phone is a tool for one thing only to get the meeting.

So be alpha and just tell them to send you their text number so you can text them time and place to meet at your convenience typically a nice lounge with good logistics to bounce to your hotel room - if they give you any bull crap resistance NEXT them immediately they are trying to control the frame and be difficult.

Then meet up and have a cocktail with her when she meets you and if she passes the boner test - bounce and bang - I give them a nice hotel robe and fresh towels and tell them to go freshen up while I disrobe and mix some more drinks and get into my own robe... I then give them some massage oil and tell them to start with a back rub for me - this is my compliance test and I let them go till they complain their hands and arms hurt - if they went more than 20 minutes its a plus if less then 5 minutes they are useless - one time bang and done.

Never agree to an arrangement for the first meeting - tell them the first meeting is to see if there is any chemistry - if they do not wrap it and bang you the first meeting then they are trying to control the frame and being difficult. If difficult (only want to fux for bux) just get dressed and have her get dressed then put her in a cab with $20 to go to the T or home and go out and game your back up venues or the next bangler you had previously stacked in rotation.

I only use the Hushed text/phone burner app to text for the meet up logistics just in case they turn into a false rape accusations scammer - texts serves as a paper trail that she was thrilled to come meet you for a romantic (read sexual) liaison.

Be Alpha, only text them your instructions, if they comply then game and bang - rinse and repeat - otherwise ignore them and NEXT - there are new sexy broke college and grad chicks coming on line every month.

It has been said on RVF many times now and I concur that in 2015 with all the insta-bang options open to ladies (Tinder, POF, OKC, Sugardaddie sites, even Match etc) it is imperative you sexualize the relationship with proper bang escalation technique immediately right off the bat - or if a sexy woman with options she will flake more than 50% of the time with someone else who does in fact escalate quickly - if you want a relationship with her then better BANG FIRST and relate later - she is more apt to hang around and not treat you like another beta orbiter that just jawboning first sets you up to be.

(09-06-2015 11:25 AM)eradicator Wrote:  ^ You can do damage to yourself if you are mixing both viagra and cialis at the same time. Pick one or the other.

LOL My doc said not to worry... but yes that is why I am not using a 100MG Viagra and 20mg 36hour cialis all they do is reduce the enzymes in your blood that constrict your blood vessels - its not like you are taking a deadly hot dose of coke or heroin cut with fentanyl.

Rule of thumb - If you are suffering migraines when you take the ED pills then your dose is too much. It sux to be banging to the beat of your brain throbbing in migraine pain - been there done that - still finished the bangs.

I’ve had a lot of fun on the UK SA over the past few months but I think it might be messing me up a little. Dated a really nice girl for a while (told her from the start I don’t offer allowance, cash meet which she was fine with) she’s just ended it not wanting anything serious bit of pain as I was starting to really like her.

I’m considering going back to traditional dating, my questions for the RVF are this:

1. Can you meet nice normal girls on this site that are g.f. long term datable material; my initial impression is yes, but I’m interested in other opinions. My hit rate and quality of girls for dates on this site is just in another league compared to POF and match etc. I’m a little reluctant to start dating plain jane 7’s when I’ve been smashing 8 n 9’s .

2. Girls on SA are looking for one or a combination of
- Established guy with his shit together
- Money
- Older guys
- Looks - but less so than other sites.

How common would these things be for girls on traditional site like POF ??

3. What aspects of my profile could I maybe transfer over to POF or even tinder , I mean will it look a bit odd posting a SA type profile on a normal dating site .. I might give it try see what sort of response I get. Traditional dating sites / apps are all massively looks based and although I’m not bad looking I’m no brad pit !

Cosworth read the thread. Hashed and rehashed already

So I think I'm getting up to speed. Already have a couple 9s scheduled for a date. I live downtown in a large US city in a high rise. Can I get away with inviting them over "for a cocktail on my building's roofdeck" or should I stick with a drink at a swanky bar nearby and then the pull to my apartment?

Also, after scheduling the date over text, do you guys think writing something like "Just want to make sure you read the part of my profile about how I'm looking for a real connection, and not a transactional or pay per date relationship." ? I actually am fairly wealthy so I can back up my game with lifestyle, but I certainly don't want to directly pay them money or give an allowance.

Btw, it's amazing the difference in interaction between tinder and SA. Now I know what it feels like to be a hot chick. All of a sudden the girl is chasing you, their schedules completely open up, and they answer your texts right away super flirty. Lol, doing SA is worth it just for the perspective on male/female power dynamics.

Limit how much real info they have on you. I assume you have read through this thread?

(09-06-2015 04:32 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  Limit how much real info they have on you. I assume you have read through this thread?

I'm only half way through the thread. There's a ton of posts.

Why so important to limit their info on you? Do you mean don't take them to my place? I know some guys mislead or lie to the girls on SA, but I have no intention to. I may actually date some of them if I like them.

One of the only strategies that seems to work on that site is to try to meet them and tell them you will consider to offer them an arrangement if they are good in bed. Tell them you would not buy a car without giving it a test drive first, and it's the same thing here. Most of the girls have heard this line, but if they are desperate enough for cash, will go ahead and bang anyways.

If you really are going to give them cash, well then that is up to you, but that is more of a p4p. Most of the girls who say they are open to just dating you and sharing your lifestyle with no allowance will then say they want a cash allowance when you meet them.

If you are going to meet with them and have sex with them and it's possible they will file a rape charge against you, so use a fake name, google voice, and hotels. You've been warned. I might even suggest going to the next town over if you don't want to risk running into them again.

(09-06-2015 04:43 PM)croco88 Wrote:  

(09-06-2015 04:32 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  Limit how much real info they have on you. I assume you have read through this thread?

I'm only half way through the thread. There's a ton of posts.

Why so important to limit their info on you? Do you mean don't take them to my place? I know some guys mislead or lie to the girls on SA, but I have no intention to. I may actually date some of them if I like them.

There are basically two types of women on SA, Fux for Bux and FWBs that just want to get away from the broke assed Bang for BK whopper guys - when I was in the service I lived off base so had my own place but on a BK to Bang budget which worked fine when I was 22 y.o. and poking holes in the ocean 10 months of the year - the Good news is New London CT was always a summer vacation beach area and plenty of Corporations in the area so easy to find young girls to bring back to my place then.

Now with SA and WYB you can do a simple test - search for Keyword "model" in a 100 Mile area of your location on POF, Match, OKC and then compare to SA and especially WYB which Brandon Wade populated off of SA. You will find that there are far more models on SA and WYB than Match or the other sites. My research indicates a major media center will have many more model types by key word in your major metro than on Match, POF, OKC etc., Nationwide.

So with SA:

1. Just click on the unviewed box in the top center for new women or women you have not noticed before. Finds the new talent right away with so many college and grad student ladies coming back to school many are looking to add an upscale component to their lives. These ladies are in the 18 to 27 age bracket.

2. Type model into the keywords box and click search - this will yield a few pro models who expect a large payday and many student/model/cosmetologists etc or 30+ ladies who are past their peak modeling demand but still in good shape if you are not limited to only college ladies.

This will yield ladies of all races and looks. You would be surprised at the women who call themselves models - some real and some deeeelouusional.

3. Refine your search based upon your desires for example slim, athletic, 100 mile radius from your target zip code, blue, green or gray eyes (Brown or Hazel if you like Latinas, Italianas, Middlle Eastern etc), Asian, Latin or White, etc., if you desire. Then 5'4" to 6'1" - many short girls actually have banging swim suit bodies and great faces, over 6'1" then tend to be outside the most desirable golden ration faces and bodies (Google it). Single, 0 kids, Non_Smokers, social drinkers or non-drinkers etc whatever you prefer.

Search again to refine your search (still with the model keyword)...

4. Now remove the keyword model search again and find all the girls that did not use the keyword model - you will find many are model quality that are the type you prefer..

This is what I do at least once a week to identify new talent that I had not previously viewed (Checked the unviewed box).

NOTE: The importance of gaming as usual is important - meeting at a sexy lounge for a drink close by to your pad filters out the yes girls - who just say yes to everything and then drop the semi-pro fux for bux bomb when you meet or who do not look at all like their pics - I had one who was very shady - could only meet for lunch and her pics were from 15 years ago - no chemistry so I went out after and worked my favorite watering holes and then meet up with my next in rotation that worked out fine.

Note that Brandon Wade founder of SA, WYP, Miss Travel, has been running this idiotic SBSugarSummits on how to sort the sugar daddies from the "splenda" daddies so best not to say no allowances or even talk about any relationships - game as usual "I need to know we have chemistry (We like to fuck each other) before I agree to an arrangement.

Then you take the lead and literally take her by the hand and bounce to your hotel room or Pad and mix some cocktails, have her "freshen up" by handing her a nice robe and fresh towels and be waiting in your robe and have cocktails and give her a tube of massage oil - I find they like Jergens original formula cherry almond or KY warming or Orange Ginger organic massage oil. As I mentioned above if she gives you a good back rub for more than 20 minutes she is a keeper if less than 5 minutes she is a useless princess who does not care to please you... then I give her a condom and flip on my back and tell her to get on top (Cowgirl) and tell her to wrap it and put it in.

At this point they either comply and it is mutual and consensual or they start talking about funds for favors which is a huge no no - I stand them up naked and ask them point blank if they are wearing a wire because I do not do prostitution which is funds for favors... they will either conform to your alpha frame or get pissy.

SO: If she is pissy Pull The Ripcord:
I will say something like "well I don't want you to be uncomfortable why don't we get dressed and go out" - now you want to run the no false rape accusation game and be a polite gentleman take her back to the lounge for a final drink and call her a cab give her $20 for the fare and say "I had fun lets do this again some time soon" and text her later with same and get a text paper trail that shows she had fun too and wants to meet again... Now you know what you are dealing with and then connect with your 11 PM girl in rotation. Don't burn bridges she may be impressed with your control of frame - and become a steady FWB while you work your inner Taming of the Shrew Petruccio - that is if you really like her - If not this was a RIP CORD and NEXT move.

I only use the Hushed Burner Phone Text app and only text logistics and never speak or answer list questions verbally or via text - she either follows you instructions or she is being difficult or worse trying to control the frame. Every once in a while I will get one who sends me three pages of texts to lecture me (a SASubgarbabySummit Grad) and she just did you a huge favor and disqualified herself. N-E-X-T.

A word about WYP or what's your price - lots of models for real on WYP and NOT an arrangement site so same game - I always offer $100 most student/part time models will accept right away - the ProModel will counter with $150, $200 or $300 in NYC - the SOP is to pay half in cash when you meet and the other half after the Date (I always go for the bang and if no bang compliance I "Pull the Rip Cord").

This is why it is so important to run game with these SA banglers before you bring them up to your pad.

Just the fact that if she passes your screening texts/game and sees the view from your Pad - her inner bangler radar will go off and you pass go and proceed right to the Alpha Bang zone. Key is you set the frame for FWB or what ever else you want while keeping a rotation going forever or until you find a real keeper.

NOTE: A real keeper NEVER gets paid to play - she just gets to play in your Alpha world.

HTH.

Here is a real interaction with a WYP girl tonight:

MissFeminine (Not her real handle) sent me a wink to send her an offer for a date...

Offered my standard $100.00 she accepted then she sent a simple Message:

I unlocked the message for 20 points... (The WYP Monetization method selling you points).

Hi

I sent: Hi back — like your feminine look — send me your number so I can text to meet up.

P.S. My name is <Me> — yours?

She replied right back:

<Her Name>. Ok u can text me at <123-456-7890>

She reached out to me - is cute and feminine and a slim face in two pics and complied 100% promptly.

Its a holiday weekend and I have previous commits so will follow up later next week.

It is this simple.

Deepdiver,

Just to clarify, what's your angle with WYP? Are you paying standard $100 for each date as an ONS, or are you trying to be alpha enough to get the goods for free in hypothetical subsequent meets?

Also, great play by play breakdown of the filtering and bang process. Basically the authoritative guide on how to play the game short of literally holding the person's hand.

I work for a very small company. Our new hire is an 8.5. She's viewed me on OKC and I just found her on SA but won't look at her profile until a few profile changes are approved.

I'm in a tough spot! I want to bang badly, but my first inclination is to look out for my good friend and employer, and let him know what's up.

You can't be serious. I can think of 19 different ways this can go bad for you. If you have a real job, you shouldn't be trying to bang women you work with at all, much less off of a shady place like SA.

Are you aware that if you view her profile you will come up on her "viewed you." gallery and she will know you are on SA?

As for informing your employer, I wouldn't unless she's doing some critical job of a sort where the company would be badly hurt if it was known she was on SA. Which is highly unlikely. And even then I would do it by anonymous email. Better to just stay out of it-it's her personal life and lots of girls who have real jobs are on SA.

Frankly, I think you're over your head here and need to stay away from SA.

As for WYP which DD brought up, I've played around with it a bit but haven't actually met a girl off it yet. Buying the credits adds up rather quickly so my normal spamming approach gets costly. The strategy I've considered is just telling the girls I'm looking for a more long term arrangement and hopefully forestall the demand to pay for the date upfront, which I don't want to do. Quite a few of the girls list "sugar baby" as one of the options they are looking for anyway. But there aren't nearly as many girls in my area on WYP as on SA. But still I plan to give it a shot with a couple of girls soon.

I changed my username and my one photo is private; and my bio is blank. I know viewing her will make my profile show up.

I've concluded that I should just stay away, not pursue (800k women in this town), and not mention it to anyone.

Her job isn't critical to current or sustained success but to future growth, yes. I won't say more since this thread is high on search results.

But yeah, I know better. Thanks for the slap.

So far a lot of girls tell me the same story about how guys tell them they're worth millions and will pay them $2500 a month for a ongoing thing then the guys bounce once they fucked them after two dates , and these guys always get hotel rooms for these dates . My new strategy is going to tell them , I'm making mid 6 figures and get a hotel plus take them out for the night . If they don't bang , I cut them out and if I do bang I cut them anyways lol . Can't believe how many 18 year olds are on this site and want money to bang !

(03-08-2013 11:31 AM)ElBorrachoInfamoso Wrote:  I don't see how guys on here do not get this.

He takes the chick out on a legit date to a nice place to "prove" that he has money. He's developed enough game to make a good impression on that date. Then he takes her back and bangs her. Why is that so hard to understand?!

Most of us with decent jobs and incomes can easily fake being much wealthier than we really are. Take her to a nice place, pretend to be rich, run game, bang. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Few women will ask for a huge sum upfront because it gets in the way of the delusion that they are not selling sex. So if a guy "proves" he has money, demonstrates that he's willing to buy her shit, and has acceptable game, she will bang him on the first date in hopes that he'll keep the money coming.

Can you go into more detail please? What are they saying to the girls, "I'll pay you your monthly stipend at the end of the month" or what? What do they say to delay the girls asking for the $ up front prior to any action?

(09-07-2015 01:08 AM)swuglyfe Wrote:  Deepdiver,

Just to clarify, what's your angle with WYP? Are you paying standard $100 for each date as an ONS, or are you trying to be alpha enough to get the goods for free in hypothetical subsequent meets?

Also, great play by play breakdown of the filtering and bang process. Basically the authoritative guide on how to play the game short of literally holding the person's hand.

A little background info - I come from the Paul Janka school - I never liked PUA clown antics - I am former military and when young NEVER needed any schemes, even in Navy Towns it was Suit up (Uniform only at official functions) , Go Out, cocktails, dance, get her wet, go home and bang.

As I got older I had to study game and bought Paul Janka's humorous and true How to get laid in NYC and then his more thorough Attraction Formula (game ebook) the take away was NYC or other cities are expensive so NEVER pay for more than a cocktail or cup of coffee or iced tea before she bangs you then if YOU decide to put her in rotation if you want to have her join you for a bite to eat or some take out then fine.

So with WYP at first I bought into the common critique that it is BETA to ever pay a women to go on a date with you then I did my Deep Dive key word "model" research and found there were more "model" quality women in a 100 Mile radius of a major top tier city on SA or WYP then there were in the Entire Country on Match or POF or OKC which should really be named Match with Plenty of OK Single Mothers...

Well I do not like just OK I like outstanding... only sites with a surplus of model talent is SA/WYP/ModelMayhem.

I then narrow my search with my height, weight, race, body type, eye color preferences (Ignore hair color in women they change it with the weather) Of course I avoid women with Unnatural Hair colors, unnatural piercings and hideous unnatural tatts like a plague - too each his own - I can't roll into a Corporate function with a Carnival Side Show tattooed or pierced lady. Plus I have great taste in beauty and my sense of beauty is a naturally beautiful woman without excessive chemical alterations internally or externally.

Then search again with your preferences and keyword model deleted and you find model equivalent young ladies on both SA and WYP without any model attitude or demands.

A little about WYP, Brandon Betatude Wade populated WYP initially off of SA to market to men who have their shite together and will NEVER pay an ongoing allowance (Most of US at RVF) so the scheme on WYP is the attractive members get paid for a meetup by successful members without the pressure for an Allowance/Arrangement - the average offer is $50 though real agency signed models in Boston or NYC will counter with $150, $200 or in NYC $300, one Ivy League Frat Slore actually countered with $500... reeeeleeey??? Not happening and the greedy ones just disqualified themselves for being delusional snowflakes.

So only way I am paying even one dollar is that she really is a one in a million snowflake, a solid natural golden ratio 9/10 with no hideous tatts, hair or piercings and is a real upscale intelligent young college or grad student/model looking lady that passes the boner test and you can take to biz functions without being embarrassed.

Regarding WYP I have never paid more than my standard $100 total - rule is $50 (half) at the beginning of a meet up and then if I pick up the tab I ignore the second $50 as a test and tell them with well I picked up the tab - I had one 9 throw "rules are rules" at me and gave her her 2nd $50 - keep in mind I only do this if the date went well - she dolled herself up so that if a natural 8/9 she looked like a 9/10 and did all the right things, was lady like and feminine, ignored her damn phone and followed my lead to Turn it off (Did not want my next 2nd in Rotation screwing up a good meet with my preferred primary if going well and perfectly acceptable under WYP rules NOT to pay the second $50 of my standard $100 offer at the end of the date if it did not go well in my opinion. (She bounces with me and bangs my brains out to get in rotation). She can either stay for a morning bang and room service breakfast or leave that night - another test the ones who stay do not need to pay a baby sitter - the ones who leave 99% of the time have a rug rat they have to get home to so the kids grand parents sitting don't get pissed.

My logic is this - since SA and WYP are doing me a huge favor sifting and filtering out the bulldog Cerberus tattooed daughters of Satan and their single mother evil spawn for me unlike ModelMayhem, Match, POF and OKC - it is a service I put a value on and am willing to pay for especially since WYP is advertised as NOT an arrangement site.

I keep my profile succinct and my follow up email concise as above and then text strictly the logistics for the first MeetUp... If we agree to an ongoing rotation - as I always go for the bang even though WYP advertises that "Sex should never be expected on the first "date" - I say well the meet for drinks was the first date and the bounce (to bang) is the second date so she is lucky that I think she is worth a twofer with a sly smile. If she hits you in the arm and says how you are soo Baad - its all good.

Anyway once in rotation she will be complying with my requests to bring by stuff from the grocery store I may be out of and if I cook or Order Out for a post bang eat then the first C-Note comes out in the wash anyway. I have always been an if she flies I'll buy kind of guy anyways. I give exact instructions of what we need and see how well she complies.

Never underestimate the value of a crisp fresh Grant or Blue Benjamin for expenses has on a college girl or recent grad - they think you are really generous and act accordingly. The ones who do not are either Escorts, Semi Pro Hookers, or Cougars with their own income or worse divorcees who hit the frivorce and alimony lottery which should all be ignored and nexted.

(09-07-2015 04:36 PM)MrXY Wrote:  You can't be serious. I can think of 19 different ways this can go bad for you. If you have a real job, you shouldn't be trying to bang women you work with at all, much less off of a shady place like SA.

Are you aware that if you view her profile you will come up on her "viewed you." gallery and she will know you are on SA?

As for informing your employer, I wouldn't unless she's doing some critical job of a sort where the company would be badly hurt if it was known she was on SA. Which is highly unlikely. And even then I would do it by anonymous email. Better to just stay out of it-it's her personal life and lots of girls who have real jobs are on SA.

Frankly, I think you're over your head here and need to stay away from SA.

As for WYP which DD brought up, I've played around with it a bit but haven't actually met a girl off it yet. Buying the credits adds up rather quickly so my normal spamming approach gets costly. The strategy I've considered is just telling the girls I'm looking for a more long term arrangement and hopefully forestall the demand to pay for the date upfront, which I don't want to do. Quite a few of the girls list "sugar baby" as one of the options they are looking for anyway. But there aren't nearly as many girls in my area on WYP as on SA. But still I plan to give it a shot with a couple of girls soon.

Keep in mind you can make all the $50 or $100 offers you want at NO cost it is just opening up thier follow up emails that costs points depending upon the cost of the offer $50 is 10 points $100 is 20 points most of the snowflakes don't realize that a $500 request for offer would wipe out 10 prime ladies level of points...

So you only pay when unlock a message thread then all other messages to her are free and you should be moving her to text immediately and seeing what her compliance levels are - use situational discipline to NOT unlock women who you do not really like (hard boner reaction). Keeps the cost way down ad as long as you have a 20 point balance you can make as many offers as you like no problem.

I joined Seeking Arrangement before I found ROK and the Forum. Never had much luck, mostly because I didn't know about game.

But now I'm worried about an Ashley Madison hack happening to SA. Even if you shut your profile down, it looks like they keep your info. I did use a fake email account but not a fake credit card (stupid, I know). So anyone know how to fully delete your info from SA? Or anything else I can do to protect myself?

How is it possible to use a "fake" credit card? Banks need your real name, SSN, date of birth, and all of that before issuing a card and an account to go with it.

(09-09-2015 01:13 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  How is it possible to use a "fake" credit card? Banks need your real name, SSN, date of birth, and all of that before issuing a card and an account to go with it.

a prepaid card.

(09-09-2015 01:24 PM)monster Wrote:  

(09-09-2015 01:13 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  How is it possible to use a "fake" credit card? Banks need your real name, SSN, date of birth, and all of that before issuing a card and an account to go with it.

a prepaid card.

Still needs your SSN and your personal info.

(09-09-2015 01:31 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

(09-09-2015 01:24 PM)monster Wrote:  

(09-09-2015 01:13 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  How is it possible to use a "fake" credit card? Banks need your real name, SSN, date of birth, and all of that before issuing a card and an account to go with it.

a prepaid card.

Still needs your SSN and your personal info.

So even those greendot Visa/Mastercard they sell at CVS or Walgreens require a SSN?

(09-09-2015 08:10 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

(09-09-2015 01:31 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

(09-09-2015 01:24 PM)monster Wrote:  

(09-09-2015 01:13 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  How is it possible to use a "fake" credit card? Banks need your real name, SSN, date of birth, and all of that before issuing a card and an account to go with it.

a prepaid card.

Still needs your SSN and your personal info.

So even those greendot Visa/Mastercard they sell at CVS or Walgreens require a SSN?

Most of the people I know don't have social security numbers and have some form of credit and or debit cards including prepaid. They can't require a social security number.

(09-09-2015 08:10 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

(09-09-2015 01:31 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

(09-09-2015 01:24 PM)monster Wrote:  

(09-09-2015 01:13 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  How is it possible to use a "fake" credit card? Banks need your real name, SSN, date of birth, and all of that before issuing a card and an account to go with it.

a prepaid card.

Still needs your SSN and your personal info.

So even those greendot Visa/Mastercard they sell at CVS or Walgreens require a SSN?

I'll go check the local CVS this weekend. I was going through the steps online, and the website asked for a SSN. Maybe it's different at CVS.