I just looked at SA for the first time in a couple of months. The big college town near me is rife with girls I've never seen before. Obviously, girls are hearing about this, maybe from friends at school, and jumping on the site. Time to reup for a month's membership.

As for this claim that keeps getting repeated that all these girls are hookers- two of the girls I've been seeing for the last couple of months are from SA and neither has ever asked me for money or gifts, despite repeatedly spending nights and weekends with me. I once offered one of them $30 just to reimburse her for gas money because she had driven a long way to see me and is poor and I didn't want her to have to go out of pocket for the trip, as I might any other girlfriend to help her out. She refused the money.

For you guys who keep meeting with hookers, you need to screen better. I screen rather aggressively, and if I get a gut feeling she's p4p I trust that feeling and don't meet her. In almost every case, they will give off tells in the texting phase, either obvious or subtle.

Then there is another scenario- that the same girl will bang an occasional guy for free simply because she likes him, while she works other guys for money by one means or another. This is extremely likely in my view since, after all, this "alpha fucks, beta bucks" is the normal female SOP anyway.

Give us some examples of "text screening".

I think I'm okay with this but some bitches have slipped through the cracks.

(08-18-2015 12:19 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  Give us some examples of "text screening".

I think I'm okay with this but some bitches have slipped through the cracks.

They let you know mate.

(08-18-2015 09:18 AM)George is King Wrote:  Conversion Question, I'll try to provide as much info as I can:

Crossed paths with an SB on my fake Tinder account, moved to text. 19, about a 7-8. Trail is still warm. I'm currently using a texting app and a false name.

Have a meet set up for this weekend. She's about an hour out of my way from where my job will put me the day before. Without the job, she'd be about five hours away.
She's also stated that she's done this sort of arrangement before, although her timeline is skewered. It would have had her doing this for 2.5 years (she's currently 19).

One of her sticking points is that the first meeting will only be a meeting. When I pressed this, it was/is one of her rules. She does know that I'm from out of town, and did recommend a couple of decent hotels in her area.
She hammered home discretion. That is a huge sticking point.
"Understands the desire for sex", but has to be "emotionally attached" to the person. Wtf.
She also asked if she would be compensated for her time (after the above conversation). My response was that compensation (gift) would be at my discretion. She "understood", and was ok with that.

I'm guessing that the "first time is only a meeting" and her claim of her history is a giant shit test. I also don't feel like taking an SB to dinner and/or drinks without something at the end of it.

I can walk away (and cancel) if need be if the optics aren't there. But I would like to smash this one on the first (and probably only) visit.

While I know nothing is guaranteed, tips on how to get past the shit test and convert would be appreciated.

Girls lie about there age on that site , one girl was 21 then she re did her her age to 20 . Another girl said she was 18 but I think she was 16 or 17 because she said I'd get charged if we fucked and hooked up .

What are you guys using as your best opening emails?

A simple "Hey, whatsup you're cute and I wanted to say hi" or "cute and funny, nice combo"?

Or are writing a little bit about the arrangement you're seeking and how you'll "spoil" them?

(08-18-2015 03:17 PM)monster Wrote:  What are you guys using as your best opening emails?

A simple "Hey, whatsup you're cute and I wanted to say hi" or "cute and funny, nice combo"?

Or are writing a little bit about the arrangement you're seeking and how you'll "spoil" them?

I've had pretty good luck with something along the lines of, "Hey, I'm looking for a girl to spoil. You wouldn't happen to know anyone, would you?" They will usually reply with something coy like "wellllllll maybeeeeeee"

I usually play along with a couple more back and forth messages, but quickly transition to a number close thusly: "Well, if you know someone you think I might like, please do send me their number."

Sometimes I'll switch it up and offer my number first and request them to have their "friend" text me to follow up.

If she likes your pics and profile, this will almost always break the ice and transition the conversation to text.

(08-18-2015 03:17 PM)monster Wrote:  What are you guys using as your best opening emails?

A simple "Hey, whatsup you're cute and I wanted to say hi" or "cute and funny, nice combo"?

Or are writing a little bit about the arrangement you're seeking and how you'll "spoil" them?

Yikes dude. You're supposed to be a wealthy and powerful man, interact with them as such.

I say something along the lines of "You intrigue me, and it looks like you have potential. (I mention that I'm looking to mentor and guide) I'll be in town from x to x, let's meet while I'm here so I can be sure."

Something like that. Make them qualify, don't directly compliment them, keep them guessing, make yourself seem busy with important things, they are INCREDIBLY lucky that you see worth in them. You really could give less of a fuck because there are 100 other equally good options out there. I should also say that if they've got private pics, I simultaneously request them; that acts like a "hey" as much as actually just typing that out, but in a non gay way.

EDIT: I like BoneDaddy's number close.

(08-18-2015 06:50 PM)swuglyfe Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 03:17 PM)monster Wrote:  What are you guys using as your best opening emails?

A simple "Hey, whatsup you're cute and I wanted to say hi" or "cute and funny, nice combo"?

Or are writing a little bit about the arrangement you're seeking and how you'll "spoil" them?

Yikes dude. You're supposed to be a wealthy and powerful man, interact with them as such.

I say something along the lines of "You intrigue me, and it looks like you have potential. (I mention that I'm looking to mentor and guide) I'll be in town from x to x, let's meet while I'm here so I can be sure."

Something like that. Make them qualify, don't directly compliment them, keep them guessing, make yourself seem busy with important things, they are INCREDIBLY lucky that you see worth in them. You really could give less of a fuck because there are 100 other equally good options out there. I should also say that if they've got private pics, I simultaneously request them; that acts like a "hey" as much as actually just typing that out, but in a non gay way.

EDIT: I like BoneDaddy's number close.

Can you post any screencaps?

(08-18-2015 08:06 PM)monster Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 06:50 PM)swuglyfe Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 03:17 PM)monster Wrote:  What are you guys using as your best opening emails?

A simple "Hey, whatsup you're cute and I wanted to say hi" or "cute and funny, nice combo"?

Or are writing a little bit about the arrangement you're seeking and how you'll "spoil" them?

Yikes dude. You're supposed to be a wealthy and powerful man, interact with them as such.

I say something along the lines of "You intrigue me, and it looks like you have potential. (I mention that I'm looking to mentor and guide) I'll be in town from x to x, let's meet while I'm here so I can be sure."

Something like that. Make them qualify, don't directly compliment them, keep them guessing, make yourself seem busy with important things, they are INCREDIBLY lucky that you see worth in them. You really could give less of a fuck because there are 100 other equally good options out there. I should also say that if they've got private pics, I simultaneously request them; that acts like a "hey" as much as actually just typing that out, but in a non gay way.

EDIT: I like BoneDaddy's number close.

Can you post any screencaps?

No. Even if the war time rules weren't in effect, the search ranking of this thread and the number of people outside this forum who view it (probably increased some multiple since the Canadian campaign started) is that great. My sincere apologies.

All I can say is,

If a bitch is over 30 something years old and on SA.....she's not getting attention. I saw this girl's profile, she's 35+ and has only received 50 emails in 3 months.

50 emails in 3 months, she initiated contact in 20-25 of them.

She had to approach.

We meet up, read them, made fun of the guys, and I screenshot those bitches (emails). Whenever I feel sad, I'll look at them.

I get likes all the time and my have over 150 unread messages over 5 months. Then again I'm 30 something and flush with moolah.....supposedly.

I want to type more shit on here but can't.

If y'all want to make this better, get Roosh Gold so we can PM one another 10-way and share our "insider secrets" without the harpies reading them.

Hah, this other bitch kept insisting on dinner and I told her to fuck off. Damn these hos are delusional but give me a good laugh.....700 a week, another one wants to move to an RV and be sponsored, another one wants allowance and rent, this fucking 6 wants to date only without any physical contact.

It's easily to tell the newbies because they're so delusional that weeks later I text them and they agree to a drinks date because most beta chumps were too retarded to approach or didn't have their shit together.

My opener is the same for match/okc/SA and I get damn good results. If you're a cool nigga that has dropped value to the thread, shoot me a PM and I'll share it.

What's going on with pricing?

I went to buy a membership through the app, and it's showing me $35 for 7 days, $60 for 15 days, and $100 for 28 days.


I checked the website and the price is $70 for one month, which is the same price I paid three months ago.

Are you guys seeing this too?

Actually, I might just do the $35 for 7 days, since I send all my openers within a day or two of signing up and if a girl doesn't respond within 2-3 days you're unlikely to meet her , and once a girl does respond I number close her usually within 24 hours at most, so really 85% of my activity is done the first 7 days anyway. So I'm thinking I would be better off doing 7 days and hitting it hard to harvest numbers, then waiting 4-6 weeks and do another 7 days and be able to message two months worth of girls instead of just one.

(08-20-2015 09:32 AM)MrXY Wrote:  What's going on with pricing?

I went to buy a membership through the app, and it's showing me $35 for 7 days, $60 for 15 days, and $100 for 28 days.


I checked the website and the price is $70 for one month, which is the same price I paid three months ago.

Are you guys seeing this too?

Actually, I might just do the $35 for 7 days, since I send all my openers within a day or two of signing up and if a girl doesn't respond within 2-3 days you're unlikely to meet her , and once a girl does respond I number close her usually within 24 hours at most, so really 85% of my activity is done the first 7 days anyway. So I'm thinking I would be better off doing 7 days and hitting it hard to harvest numbers, then waiting 4-6 weeks and do another 7 days and be able to message two months worth of girls instead of just one.

I don't know the specifics of SA but if you're using an iphone the in app price will usually be higher since Apple takes a cut of the proceeds. The same thing happened with Spotify and they launched an ad campaign to subscribe through their website since it's cheaper and they could compete with Apple music on a level price playing field.

I'm Android.

Obviously it's a pricing strategy experiment but I don't know of it's aimed at everyone or just certain users. Looks like they're trying to push app only users into buying 7 days, since they raised the price of longer terms so much, at least through the app. Maybe they want to see if the lower $35 nominal price will draw in a lot more subscribers.

I bet far more subscribers are app only rather than using the website, since they don't want to use their home or work computers; it's a lot easier to keep your phone secure from prying eyes.

SA only has an android app, unfortunately it does not have an iPhone app.

I would suggest clearing your cookies as they might be tracking your movements and saw "he wanted to upgrade again" and increased their prices. Maybe if you stay off for a bit they will hit you up with an offer. I signed up for the 6 month subscription.

I like the website since it allows me to copy and paste en masse.

Check out this tumblr http://datingforscience.tumblr.com/tagge...rrangement


How do you feel about these messages as openers

I'm cringing hard as fuck right now.....

I don't even have SA Monster but no man, just no on that ESSAY of text dude - I know it's not yours but like XY said, it made me cringe just see 3 blocks of text !

They lost the frame, their balls, they look beta, they see a simp, they see desperation, they see thirst.

Read the reply to these pics:

Quote:I just…. I….. why does this need to be an arrangement kind of thing? Sounds to me like this guy is looking for a casual relationship and is happy to foot the bill. Do you think he is also on OK Cupid? Probably not. I mean, he even says he is looking for a one Sugar Daddy kind of gal. This guy wants a girlfriend he can turn on and off at times when it is convenient to him. This doesn’t strike me as a unique situation that warrants having a profile on a super niche site like this.

Regardless, it’s toootally not my jam.

(08-13-2015 08:48 PM)duedue Wrote:  You got banned because you told a girl she should wear heels? My God!

Do you know why she gave up so much to get the divorce?

Yeah, it's been the second time with Match....you get two warnings, the second one being your ban. Each time I got warned I asked for an explanation and the mods actually replied

1 - Calling a girl fat
2 - Telling a girl that she would look cuter in heels
3 - Telling a girl that I know she's not conservative, jesus does not approve of slutty outfits
4 - Telling a girl that she has hit the wall and her best years are past her

Nothing seuxal or anything of that manner, just stuff that....well, is actually true. I know I should keep my mouth shut after getting banned once but some of these bitches are simply asking for it.


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It's not the first time I've seen something like this. I've seen a couple of cougars who've granted the divorce and gave up homes/cars/businesses just to finalize it.

Mostly it's because they're tired of their husbands prolonging the process and hope that by prolonging it, the wife will say "fuck it" and stay with them. I might say they are successful power hungry guys who at the same time are pussy whipped and don't want to let go but they're tired of him. It's one of those "I'm not granting you divorce to prove a point that you're my bitch". In almost all cases the hubby was a drunk, druggie, or would beat her and the wife didn't want their kids to be around that.

While some guys might say "Rustler, you haven't been in that position so how would you know?".....well my mom was willing to give everything to my dad (no child support, he could keep the home/car, etc) so he would sign the divorce papers. She didn't like me hearing him beat her up or arguing about spending money on bitches and not being able to complete rent.

If I can't understand the messages and get bored and/or confused reading them, just imagine what will happen when a nineteen year old girl with much lower intelligence and much shorter attention span tries to read them.

Those screenshot messages are pitiful.

Damn.

I can feel my T-levels drop as I further read those messages....

Cosigned. Monster, those were quite possibly the exact opposite of what I recommended above. I know that with the latest neomasculinity drive we're trying to push past the strict alpha/beta paradigm, but Jesus....

The fact that the source was a tumblr really says all you need to know. This was a post on a "worst-of" OLD blog to boot.

(08-21-2015 09:34 AM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  I can feel my T-levels drop as I further read those messages....

This is my SA opener for girls 27-34, the red part is an elderly opener for girls 18-26. Remember "I'm in my early 30s", not 22.



This is the one I use with women 34+

(08-22-2015 05:00 AM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 09:34 AM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  I can feel my T-levels drop as I further read those messages....

This is my SA opener for girls 27-34, the red part is an elderly opener for girls 18-26. Remember "I'm in my early 30s", not 22.



This is the one I use with women 34+

Er...?

I blocked it out so beta bitch boys won't have access to them, otherwise they would spam message my gems the way they did with Delicious' Tacos OKC openers.

It was a way to show that it's better to write short paragraphs or break each paragraph into a sentence. You know, since their attention span is short.

I'll PM you the openers.