(06-27-2015 04:15 AM)Hotwheels Wrote:  The only reason the trim is throwing up walls is because she doesn't believe you.

Yeah, Hotwheels is not wordy.

Edit- Dress well, be a dick, whatever..... This shit isn't rocket science...

With my standard opener I keep it short and concise one sentence and then send a brief summary of the project if a solid 8+ shows sincere interest - I direct them to send me their # to discuss while simultaneously requesting their private pics...

The ones who reply with the pics and number show compliance...

Clearly this Kristin bangler was interested otherwise she would not have written 3 rambling paragraphs but my wing woman game conflicted with her SA$ugar$ummit 6yr 28 month $6K a month cash for companionship indoctrination... so I decided to carrot dangle her and see where it might go - hoe is an indoctrinated hard core money focused SA pro.

Point is she was the worst so far - have been plenty of young 18 to 28 attractive compliant sweethearts though and that is my focus.

(06-23-2015 03:40 PM)Vincent Chase Wrote:  This is pretty much intermediate to advanced game to bang some of those girls, if you can even call them that. It's certainly not for newbies. You can see the prostitutes from a mile away, they are programmed i.e. told by Seeking Arrangement (remember the owner isn't running a whore website as he wishes to portray - even though he pretty much is) to ask you "So what kind of arrangement are you looking for?". Either within the initial correspondence or at some point in the actual date.

The American women all seem to be looking for food - expecting to buy them lunch and dinners, had this far less in Europe. One girl was trying to shame me for not wanting to pick up the tab for dinner for her on the first date, saying "I guess I could buy dinner myself" waiting for me to jump in out of sympathy that a working woman has to pay for something. I got her in my hotel room but kicked her out waiting for the next date. She then tried to shame me for not paying for her taxi back with something like "I need to check if I have enough coins for the bus". Go away you disgusting creature.

Don't let them ruin your frame, if they are clearly whores I don't waste my time with them, some people here do and try to play them and fair play to you but I rather not. Don't even want to think about the 70 year old cocks they may have had the previous night. I stick to the ones who aren't out for allowances/cash up front and run OKCupid game on them just with more qualifiers.

True, but I also think being in a position of power will elevate your game. In real life, when I approach girls I'll often get the thought in my mind that I'm chasing her, but with this it would feel as though I'm the prize, so I can play it more cool and have a more solid frame. Also it depends on the financial situation you're in. If you have less money then you're going to need better game to make it seem as though you're wealthy. I'm really considering trying this since I'm already from a wealthy family and I got that spoiled son arrangement before I move out after University. My dads considering buying a phantom soon so I could borrow that, plus I borrow his rolex sometimes when I go out and he gives me money to buy things. For me, I think it would be easier to spend less on these girls since I can already create the illusion of wealth. What do you guys think?

How old are you?

(06-29-2015 05:55 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  How old are you?

22

(06-29-2015 06:59 PM)Jazzman92 Wrote:  

(06-29-2015 05:55 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  How old are you?

22

I would just go after 8, 9 and 10s and future them out - women especially young women love to find a young guy with "potential" there is self made potential STEM/LAW/MBA/Finance power degrees, liberal arts Producer Director degrees and working on interesting projects and inside industry parties you will be surrounded by talent.

Then there is family business/wealth management potential where you come from a wealthy family... especially if not dysfunctional and with their power base solidified.

Then there are the privileged go getters with a sense of responsibility to build upon their gifts. Both wealth and self made potential.

Women get it as soon as as they realize the scope of your potential - so confident kool class game with an occasional tinge of power asshole game when needed to keep the kittens focused on you and not them is key. You want women who get how lucky they are to know you and be allowed in your orbit - and just next the gold diggers looking to cash in on your future value... it takes time to sort this out especially when the gold miners (turbo charged diggers) - can have some off the wall skillz in the sack... take the time to develop the game I mention and it will go a long way to filter the sweet kernels from the gnarly hard cobs.

OBTW be real careful raw dogging the 8-9-10s - we all do it sooner or later - the women I have been in LTRs with were all on the pill and took it in front of me every night and I raw dogged till my hearts and nutz content - these were women with fairly low cock counts and responsible ladies - teacher, florist, furniture designer, industrialists daughter who worked for daddy and a securities executive assistant. One was actually a 23 y.o. virgin - hard to believe but true - took a while to break her in but when she was it was ride em cowgirl - she wanted it all the time and we could not keep our hands off of each other.

The only one who ever got knocked got knocked in Honolulu on vacation with her Eurasian 8+ girl friend who convinced her to sleep with the managers for a better room and the guests for drinks and meals - her excuse was she was on vacation and not expecting any action and some Canadian Air Traffic Controllers swimmers made it to goal.

She was taken off of bang rotation for being a stupid lazy woman with a Masters in Teaching - go figure - point is you only want to be a baby daddy with that rare unicorn who wants to be a mom and your loyal woman more than a working jaded lard butted feminist SJW.

In today's always on Tinder world it takes game to find the keepers and then more game to keep the keepers in line. Plus a real good prenup to protect your family wealth and your future legacy.

Game is Life and Life is Game. The Tao and Yin Yang of game - there are times to be a kool gent and then times to be a roaring red hot asshole. Water and flame game is knowing when to use one over the other to get what you want when you want it from the ladies in your rotation and sort the keepers from the cobs.

I signed up for SA this weekend, made a profile, started surfing. I have been lurking in this thread for a while, and figured I'd give the "test drive" angle a shot.

But after looking at the women in my area, and reading their profiles, I was literally sick to my stomach. These were women I would not even look at walking down the street, and they fully believed that they deserved me paying them thousands of dollars a month for the mere privilege of their company, and for being allowed to take them out and spend more money on them.

These girls have profiles just as picky and "no this, no that" as any OKC or POF profile. Basically "I'm a bitch and maybe, if you pay me a monthly fee and buy me shit, maybe I'll allow you to orbit me." These 6s and 7s weren't looking (or expecting) alphas for a "mutually beneficial arrangement", they were looking for betas to troll.

It really disgusted me. I have no problem playing "test drive" with an 8, knowing she is going to try to get as much $ as she can without giving anything up. But a 6 basically advertising for Beta Bucks?

Nah, man. Just nah.

You must live in a bad area. San Francisco? Seattle? Anywhere in New England?

As bad as San Fran is, it ain't THAT bad by the looks of things. Now, New England I can see.... totally.

(07-01-2015 11:26 AM)MrXY Wrote:  You must live in a bad area. San Francisco? Seattle? Anywhere in New England?

No, none of those places. For an experiment, I checked a few other cities, including San Fran... apparently I live in a really shitty area in terms of SA chicks.

My targeting regime:

Almost strictly second tier cities: Seattle, Denver, Portland (which has an inordinate amount of talent for some bizarre reason), Atlanta, Austin, St. Louis.

I skip the big cities where there is much more money sloshing around that would easily distract these ADD girls: Miami, LA, SF, NYC, Boston, Chicago.

18-20 only. Maybe 21 every so often. I try and catch them when they're newest to the game, but more importantly, can't drink. This means that I don't have to buy them expensive drinks and I can bounce them to my room and provide them stuff.

I log on every day and go through my entire list real quick, I've got all these cities on saved searches with my exact preferences. Filter by newest profile, then check unviewed, this will allow me to skim and favorite the hot one or two new profiles each day from each city. Takes 10 minutes AT MOST.

I don't ignore girls that have entitled profiles that Aenigmarius mentioned above, but I double book them with someone who has a nicer profile as well. If you're dominant enough, most of them will fall in line, not all.

If they have been on the site for more than 6 months, that is a red flag for me. They are probably used to pump and dump and will probably end up wasting my time. Better to focus on the constant inflow of new talent. I don't favorite any girl who's been inactive more than a month either.

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(07-01-2015 10:01 AM)Aenigmarius Wrote:  I signed up for SA this weekend, made a profile, started surfing. I have been lurking in this thread for a while, and figured I'd give the "test drive" angle a shot.

But after looking at the women in my area, and reading their profiles, I was literally sick to my stomach. These were women I would not even look at walking down the street, and they fully believed that they deserved me paying them thousands of dollars a month for the mere privilege of their company, and for being allowed to take them out and spend more money on them.

These girls have profiles just as picky and "no this, no that" as any OKC or POF profile. Basically "I'm a bitch and maybe, if you pay me a monthly fee and buy me shit, maybe I'll allow you to orbit me." These 6s and 7s weren't looking (or expecting) alphas for a "mutually beneficial arrangement", they were looking for betas to troll.

It really disgusted me. I have no problem playing "test drive" with an 8, knowing she is going to try to get as much $ as she can without giving anything up. But a 6 basically advertising for Beta Bucks?

Nah, man. Just nah.

If you are on any dating site over time you will find there are basically two types of women - women with their biological clock surging lock em down hormones throughout her body and these are the hard core lists ladies - they are on every site and many even publish their lists. These tend to be in the 27 to 47 age range... their clocks are gonging like Big Ben.

Then their are the fun spontaneous adventuresome young ladies with their fertility in full bloom no biological clock imperative in the 18 to 25 range - the 26 to 27 ladies can swing either way on any given day - biologically crazy or single fun and free.

So when an SA lady portrays her self as a turbo charged C U Next Tuesday woman - she just did you an enormous favor - same ratios of TCCUNTZFH exist on OKcupid, POF, Match, ChristianMingle, Eharmony as on any sugar site - they are just sly about it and keep the dark side of their CUNTZ force in stealth mode on those dating sites until they can catch you with you guard down. Then all hell breaks loose ...

If you are not finding what you want on SA it is very easy to expand your search radius until you do ...

(07-02-2015 11:45 AM)Deepdiver Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 10:01 AM)Aenigmarius Wrote:  I signed up for SA this weekend, made a profile, started surfing. I have been lurking in this thread for a while, and figured I'd give the "test drive" angle a shot.

But after looking at the women in my area, and reading their profiles, I was literally sick to my stomach. These were women I would not even look at walking down the street, and they fully believed that they deserved me paying them thousands of dollars a month for the mere privilege of their company, and for being allowed to take them out and spend more money on them.

These girls have profiles just as picky and "no this, no that" as any OKC or POF profile. Basically "I'm a bitch and maybe, if you pay me a monthly fee and buy me shit, maybe I'll allow you to orbit me." These 6s and 7s weren't looking (or expecting) alphas for a "mutually beneficial arrangement", they were looking for betas to troll.

It really disgusted me. I have no problem playing "test drive" with an 8, knowing she is going to try to get as much $ as she can without giving anything up. But a 6 basically advertising for Beta Bucks?

Nah, man. Just nah.

If you are on any dating site over time you will find there are basically two types of women - women with their biological clock surging lock em down hormones throughout her body and these are the hard core lists ladies - they are on every site and many even publish their lists. These tend to be in the 27 to 47 age range... their clocks are gonging like Big Ben.

Then their are the fun spontaneous adventuresome young ladies with their fertility in full bloom no biological clock imperative in the 18 to 25 range - the 26 to 27 ladies can swing either way on any given day - biologically crazy or single fun and free.

So when an SA lady portrays her self as a turbo charged C U Next Tuesday woman - she just did you an enormous favor - same ratios of TCCUNTZFH exist on OKcupid, POF, Match, ChristianMingle, Eharmony as on any sugar site - they are just sly about it and keep the dark side of their CUNTZ force in stealth mode on those dating sites until they can catch you with you guard down. Then all hell breaks loose ...

If you are not finding what you want on SA it is very easy to expand your search radius until you do ...

Deep I realized I hadn't yet repped you for any of the knowledge or tactics you drop for us on SA. Fixed that.

DirkJohanson Wrote:  Most chicks want about $200 the first night, so its basically a $300 deal, but considering how direct and easy it is, you need to factor in how much you are NOT spending chasing girls and not getting laid at the end of the night.

I could probably negotiate a little better. For instance, a hot mid-30s chick had been on her first sugarbaby date a few days earlier, when she met a guy at Starbucks and fucked him for $500. I spent a lot on dinner, and if i'm not mistaken had just gotten it the night before, so I bargained her down to $100, which she was perfectly happy taking. An hour later, her finger was up my ass (which I don't like, but that's how horny she was), and her face was coated with my load.

There is a wide variation. My most recent first date, a petite 24 year-old ghettoish Puerto Rican with chest-piercings and tats, wanted to meet at my place, so she came over, I got her high, and I fucked her for $200.

Sure enough, about an hour later, I was having first night anal with her in my bed. I offered her money in the morning, and she at first refused, but I insisted she take money because the night before she was bemoaning that she didn't have any outfits to wear while stripping, and she was flat broke. Teach a man to fish, ...

On the other end of the scale, the sugarbaby i've had for four years insists on $300, so when we go out, I pay even more. While she gave me a lap dance the first night and showed me her veejayjay, it took until the third date for me to bang her. Its not quite as cut and dried as that, but that's the general deal. She's pretty freakin hot, though, even at 26. lolz Another I paid $350 to, and it took two dates (she was very apologetic about not being able to fuck me on the first date). I sprang for the extra cash because she was hot and has a lesbian lover who strips at Mons Venus (world-class strip club) which I figured would get me into the Mons afterparty mix, and I had never been with a girl with tattoo sleeves.

Just some more descriptions of several "I pay hundreds of dollars to girls to have sex with them and I brag about this fact" encounters, in this thread

(07-02-2015 02:37 PM)germany Wrote:  

DirkJohanson Wrote:  Most chicks want about $200 the first night, so its basically a $300 deal, but considering how direct and easy it is, you need to factor in how much you are NOT spending chasing girls and not getting laid at the end of the night.

I could probably negotiate a little better. For instance, a hot mid-30s chick had been on her first sugarbaby date a few days earlier, when she met a guy at Starbucks and fucked him for $500. I spent a lot on dinner, and if i'm not mistaken had just gotten it the night before, so I bargained her down to $100, which she was perfectly happy taking. An hour later, her finger was up my ass (which I don't like, but that's how horny she was), and her face was coated with my load.

There is a wide variation. My most recent first date, a petite 24 year-old ghettoish Puerto Rican with chest-piercings and tats, wanted to meet at my place, so she came over, I got her high, and I fucked her for $200.

Sure enough, about an hour later, I was having first night anal with her in my bed. I offered her money in the morning, and she at first refused, but I insisted she take money because the night before she was bemoaning that she didn't have any outfits to wear while stripping, and she was flat broke. Teach a man to fish, ...

On the other end of the scale, the sugarbaby i've had for four years insists on $300, so when we go out, I pay even more. While she gave me a lap dance the first night and showed me her veejayjay, it took until the third date for me to bang her. Its not quite as cut and dried as that, but that's the general deal. She's pretty freakin hot, though, even at 26. lolz Another I paid $350 to, and it took two dates (she was very apologetic about not being able to fuck me on the first date). I sprang for the extra cash because she was hot and has a lesbian lover who strips at Mons Venus (world-class strip club) which I figured would get me into the Mons afterparty mix, and I had never been with a girl with tattoo sleeves.

Just some more descriptions of several "I pay hundreds of dollars to girls to have sex with them and I brag about this fact" encounters, in this thread

You went how far back just to try and find something to complain about? The third page.

Would you like to contribute to game knowledge instead and direct your energies to something more positive, perhaps?

This thread seems to be crossing the line into p4p.

Roosh has put this p4p thread into the newbie forum.

The post the troll quoted was from March 8,2013 and that poster is long gone.

We've emphasized many times that hookers should be screened out and the girls we do meet with should not be paid.

(07-02-2015 02:37 PM)germany Wrote:  Just some more descriptions of several "I pay hundreds of dollars to girls to have sex with them and I brag about this fact" encounters, in this thread

So you dig up a 2.5 year old post. That says a lot about you

(07-02-2015 10:04 PM)RougeNoir Wrote:  Roosh has put this p4p thread into the newbie forum.

This is coming from the guy (RougeNoir) that made this thread. From based on my experience interacting with you, you're quick to bash yet ask for advice. At least the guys on this thread are getting laid.

http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-48683.html



In other news, had a meet up with a 21 year old asian. Quite leggy and was obedient. I'm starting to find it quite normal to tell these hos what to do, and they do it to please me. We did a couple of shots, I ordered an appetizer for myself (she didn't eat), and off to fuck we went.

Germany blew my mind. I did not realize what we did was shoring. Now that I think about it, he is right! I always felt what shoring felt like after reading SEA/BKK stories, and now I've experienced it. No need to go to BKK anymore.

But yeah, no one pays these hos to fuck, or at least that I know of. Otherwise I would have called their advice out since it would be fake advice. I just do the same thing I do on Match.com, set up a date for drinks, and escalate from there. Cost Per Notch (hotel+drinks) is about the same but my closing rate is much higher.

I use the HarryHooligan method, I tell them to come to me to do stuff I want to do...if they don't show up, great; if they do show up, even better. At the end of the day, I'm doing whatever I want to do. Also, I created a SA Uniform ha ha ha! Bitches compliment on my outfit and shoes to further project that "I'm legit".



I'll be posting pics of my new SA rotation soon via the chain.

(07-04-2015 08:53 AM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 10:04 PM)RougeNoir Wrote:  Roosh has put this p4p thread into the newbie forum.

This is coming from the guy (RougeNoir) that made this thread. From based on my experience interacting with you, you're quick to bash yet ask for advice. At least the guys on this thread are getting laid.

http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-48683.html





Also, I created a SA Uniform ha ha ha! Bitches compliment on my outfit and shoes to further project that "I'm legit".



I'll be posting pics of my new SA rotation soon via the chain.

Can you describe your outfit for first meetings? Without being giving yourself away of course. Curious how ti compares to mine

The chain?

(07-04-2015 08:53 AM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 10:04 PM)RougeNoir Wrote:  Roosh has put this p4p thread into the newbie forum.

This is coming from the guy (RougeNoir) that made this thread. From based on my experience interacting with you, you're quick to bash yet ask for advice. At least the guys on this thread are getting laid.

http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-48683.html

Boy, go sit down somewhere with your former cat avatar. It probably refers to the MILFS you're so fond of, you know, the cat ladies. I'm at 8 bangs this year not to brag but to dispel any myths you seem to believe in. "At least the guys on this thread are getting laid." Hell, at least my cost per bang isn't $100+.

I can see this one getting locked up for multiple reasons. If so, it's a shame because there has been some very useful information posted throughout the course of this thread.

Nah. I am actually very in favor of this thread getting locked and sinking down the forum in terms of activity and search engine rankings. If a new player needs to learn about it, it's here for him to find. But really, everything that needs to be said has been said at this point. It's all super minor iterations now to tailor your individual personality. PMs to and between the guys who run SA game successfully is all that is really needed or warranted now, in my opinion. Anything else attracts trolls and flame wars.

(07-02-2015 09:15 AM)swuglyfe Wrote:  My targeting regime:

Almost strictly second tier cities: Seattle, Denver, Portland (which has an inordinate amount of talent for some bizarre reason), Atlanta, Austin, St. Louis.

I skip the big cities where there is much more money sloshing around that would easily distract these ADD girls: Miami, LA, SF, NYC, Boston, Chicago.

18-20 only. Maybe 21 every so often. I try and catch them when they're newest to the game, but more importantly, can't drink. This means that I don't have to buy them expensive drinks and I can bounce them to my room and provide them stuff.

I log on every day and go through my entire list real quick, I've got all these cities on saved searches with my exact preferences. Filter by newest profile, then check unviewed, this will allow me to skim and favorite the hot one or two new profiles each day from each city. Takes 10 minutes AT MOST.

I don't ignore girls that have entitled profiles that Aenigmarius mentioned above, but I double book them with someone who has a nicer profile as well. If you're dominant enough, most of them will fall in line, not all.

If they have been on the site for more than 6 months, that is a red flag for me. They are probably used to pump and dump and will probably end up wasting my time. Better to focus on the constant inflow of new talent. I don't favorite any girl who's been inactive more than a month either.

Returned a like and +1 rep - still have not figured out how to leave a rep comment - too busy with my mentor protege game - our SA gamer SWUG brought some interesting innovation here to find and sort the sweet kernels from the hard abrasive old cobs.

The idea of looking only for fresh sweet wide eyed 18 to 20 females by searching by 2nd tier cities and then check unviewed and only game the new bangable ladies 7+8+9+s was a new time saver that I am absolutely going to copy +1 Brother SWUG!