(11-13-2013 03:10 PM)MrXY Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 02:53 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  oops, I slipped and told the truth on money. Probably a mistake.

income 50-75k net worth < 100k

Oops, I just went fishing but forgot to bring bait.

Probably a mistake.™

(11-12-2013 08:26 PM)OkStudies Wrote:  ^ Do you fuck any of the girls you meet or do you just treat them like business partners? Can you transition that approach to sex?

LOL I explain up front that my idea of a wing women is "you know like Whitey Bulger and his Girlfriend" without the serial crimes.

I also discuss how I like women in the 21 to 25 age range as they can "Still take direction from a man!" You should see the 25 to 30 year olds start saying well I am only 27 - they basically start interviewing for the position.

Of course the position INCLUDES SEX otherwise why deal with females going emotionally insane once every 28 days. Fact is unless she is a Oscar winning actress you know if she can still be trusted by how she loves you in bed - does she give you an enthusiastic half hour coco butter back rub followed by a 15 minute blow job and after you nut does she mount you on top and use her Klegel exercised tight vagina to get YOU hard again and then roll over and wrap her legs around you and take your double nutter with gusto.

Or does she just sigh and lay their hoping you will just finish already and not get into it.

If she can not be trusted to please you in sex with great sex for YOU then it is the first sign she is about to go off the reservation and cannot be trusted with your business secrets or money - the woman who you own her sexual loyalty you own her loyalty in life - this is why you want to keep a stable of beezies as your wing women (plural). One in the City (or Cities) you like to work in, one in the Country, one in a major EE city and one in a Asset Protection Nation etc etc etc to please and serve YOU think employees with fringe benefits for YOU. Of course you keep your strategies to yourself like all great CEOs. Success is secrecy and Secrecy is success.

Key is to maintain the Employer Employee relationship dynamic and know sooner or later someone will try to poach your best "employees" - they ones who you own sexually and mentally are likely to never stray and the ones that jump for the better offer - well that is why you keep your core secrets secret and only give them the info they need to preform their function on a need to know basis - ever see how your Boss will interview other candidates when it suits him - does he ever ask your permission to interview them - NO unless you had a need to know to perform your function. The moment she stops being a useful protégé earner - you burn her burner (phone) and she is fired. A mentor only trains a protégé that is EARNING for him and you keep up to 90% of the cash flow for your expertise.

The more responsibility and work she proves she can handle the more of a percentage she can earn up to a max of 50% - if she ever wants more than that it is time to train new wing women protégés (Plural).

She (your wing women) can work aspects of the biz as your PA/VA/VPA assistant but you keep control of all accounts (Bank and Brokerage) and keep the passwords and balances to yourself - even if you opened them in her name to minimize FATCA effing with you - think Whitey Bulger here - she knew where the emergency cash was along with a scram bag but would never touch the cash or other accounts without the CEOs direction.

Horrors - Partner??? - The beezies will never be your business partners ever - that implies a partner has a vote in your business and or projects you will pursue - A WOMAN CAN NEVER BE YOUR PARTNER if you want to succeed - they can't help but feel the need to interject their "feelings and emotions" into business. You have to negotiate ruthlessly like Rick Harrison on History Channels "Pawn Stars" watch the show and emulate his ruthless negotiation tactics focused on the bottom line profit of a deal or project and NOTHING else.

Do you ever see any women negotiating large deals for Rick - NEVER!

They might advise him on authenticity - but he always gets the final say and they get to play in his orbit.

(11-13-2013 03:21 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 03:10 PM)MrXY Wrote:  [quote='iknowexactly' pid='576937' dateline='1384329210']


oops, I slipped and told the truth on money. Probably a mistake.

income 50-75k net worth < 100k

Oops, I just went fishing but forgot to bring bait.

Probably a mistake.™

Jeez you guys are consistently more brutal than the chicks that blow me off!!!

(11-15-2013 02:08 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 03:21 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 03:10 PM)MrXY Wrote:  [quote='iknowexactly' pid='576937' dateline='1384329210']


oops, I slipped and told the truth on money. Probably a mistake.

income 50-75k net worth < 100k

Oops, I just went fishing but forgot to bring bait.

Probably a mistake.™

Jeez you guys are consistently more brutal than the chicks that blow me off!!!

IKE think about it this way when you are young women are attracted to your potential so what is your total potential worth and future income especially with a loyal woman who helps you earn and save toward mutual goals and investments? A few income properties and a solid ten bagger portfolio methodology and bingo you are one of the richest guys on RUA if not the SF bay area.

Always sell the Upside and the Downside will take care of itself - Donald Trump "The Art of the Deal".

(11-15-2013 01:58 AM)Deepdiver Wrote:  

(11-12-2013 08:26 PM)OkStudies Wrote:  ^ Do you fuck any of the girls you meet or do you just treat them like business partners? Can you transition that approach to sex?

LOL I explain up front that my idea of a wing women is "you know like Whitey Bulger and his Girlfriend" without the serial crimes.

I also discuss how I like women in the 21 to 25 age range as they can "Still take direction from a man!" You should see the 25 to 30 year olds start saying well I am only 27 - they basically start interviewing for the position.

Of course the position INCLUDES SEX otherwise why deal with females going emotionally insane once every 28 days. Fact is unless she is a Oscar winning actress you know if she can still be trusted by how she loves you in bed - does she give you an enthusiastic half hour coco butter back rub followed by a 15 minute blow job and after you nut does she mount you on top and use her Klegel exercised tight vagina to get YOU hard again and then roll over and wrap her legs around you and take your double nutter with gusto.

Or does she just sigh and lay their hoping you will just finish already and not get into it.

If she can not be trusted to please you in sex with great sex for YOU then it is the first sign she is about to go off the reservation and cannot be trusted with your business secrets or money - the woman who you own her sexual loyalty you own her loyalty in life - this is why you want to keep a stable of beezies as your wing women (plural). One in the City (or Cities) you like to work in, one in the Country, one in a major EE city and one in a Asset Protection Nation etc etc etc to please and serve YOU think employees with fringe benefits for YOU. Of course you keep your strategies to yourself like all great CEOs. Success is secrecy and Secrecy is success.

Key is to maintain the Employer Employee relationship dynamic and know sooner or later someone will try to poach your best "employees" - they ones who you own sexually and mentally are likely to never stray and the ones that jump for the better offer - well that is why you keep your core secrets secret and only give them the info they need to preform their function on a need to know basis - ever see how your Boss will interview other candidates when it suits him - does he ever ask your permission to interview them - NO unless you had a need to know to perform your function. The moment she stops being a useful protégé earner - you burn her burner (phone) and she is fired. A mentor only trains a protégé that is EARNING for him and you keep up to 90% of the cash flow for your expertise.

The more responsibility and work she proves she can handle the more of a percentage she can earn up to a max of 50% - if she ever wants more than that it is time to train new wing women protégés (Plural).

She (your wing women) can work aspects of the biz as your PA/VA/VPA assistant but you keep control of all accounts (Bank and Brokerage) and keep the passwords and balances to yourself - even if you opened them in her name to minimize FATCA effing with you - think Whitey Bulger here - she knew where the emergency cash was along with a scram bag but would never touch the cash or other accounts without the CEOs direction.

Horrors - Partner??? - The beezies will never be your business partners ever - that implies a partner has a vote in your business and or projects you will pursue - A WOMAN CAN NEVER BE YOUR PARTNER if you want to succeed - they can't help but feel the need to interject their "feelings and emotions" into business. You have to negotiate ruthlessly like Rick Harrison on History Channels "Pawn Stars" watch the show and emulate his ruthless negotiation tactics focused on the bottom line profit of a deal or project and NOTHING else.

Do you ever see any women negotiating large deals for Rick - NEVER!

They might advise him on authenticity - but he always gets the final say and they get to play in his orbit.

DeepDiver:

I am NOT trying to denigrate anyone; however, this rendition of how to set up a variety of relations with subservient girls sounds like a major fantasy to me, rather than the practicality of the "real" world. Are you talking about something that you have actually achieved, and if so are you suggesting that other guys can achieve such? Also, are we talking about the United States, if so, which part?

I cannot see a real practical way to set up relationships with multiple girls in which they would bang the guy to full satisfaction without drama and be trusted with his finances or with any of his personal information. Generally, guys on this forum who are engaged in the SA game do NOT even want girls that they are banging to see where they live b/c of potential drama, so having a harem of girls to serve seems like a fantasy. I would rather have some guy or ugly girl taking care of my finances, rather than to entrust such to a girl who could go crazy at any moment b/c of her promotion or demotion in the harem.

Girls are too full of drama for that kind of set up in which they are involved in both sex and taking care of a guy's personal affairs, and they do NOT readily accept guys having multiple relations with other girls.. .at least NOT in the good ol US of A.

I do agree that it is possible to set up multiple relations with multiple girls; however, these relations take years to foster and to build and would be NO easy feat to accomplish in modern times, especially in a large majority of places in the United States, unless maybe you are rolling with several million in assets, but then still I would NOT entrust ALL the secrets of the empire to any of the girl that I am banging - although I may allow some of them to know certain parts.

J2G Dude - summer was a bit slow but as I live near and work in one of the University Knowledge Capitols of the world (Metro Boston 300,000+ Uni Students and the largest medical research institutes in the country) - not some third world crap hole - the best and brightest families in the world eventually have a son or daughter that goes to school in Metro B-town. I am not going to post my resume here to be picked apart but after reading the SA and CL game threads it dawned on me why spend $300 to $500 per prospect on some fake millionaire game? Why not flip the value proposition on its head and make it real? I actually got this idea from SA and Established Men and a few sugardaddy sites whereby the snowflake princesses were seeking a mature man they could learn from and grow with. In my mind the opportunity lightbulb was on and I thought why not invest the price of a couple starbucks and run an interview to she if she can be an earner for YOU. It is simply skillz for thrillz Mentor Protégé game.

I just had two summer Wing Women flake and completed all the background investigation work on a new 6 figure consulting contract in a hot STEM field and need new wing women to work my biz while I work this new contract. I have reactivated my ads and now that it is 2 months into the Uni season I was actually surprised by how many coeds or grads in the 19 to 30 age bracket are responding (ever notice how many 30 y.o. hamsters still list occupation as student).

I do some biz in NYC area as well and was literally overwhelmed by the response in Metro NYC - my theory is the more expensive a city the more the snowflakes value someone with true knowledge and experience.

The fact that my biz experience happens to be true helps - one of my biz lines just picked up with significant new demand (see CNBC lately what has recently been happening all three market indexes have been setting new all time record highs). So forget about the 2008 Financial crisis that is now ancient history - Dow, S&P and NASDAQ are breaking records and biz is hiring and expanding again. I am now interviewing Wing Women that want to learn this biz - one 30 y o is smoking hot and as close to a dimepiece I have seen in Boston - went to school in B Town and stayed but she is on the high end of my age range so we will see perhaps she is at the point where she can focus on work longer than the time it takes a snowflake to melt in your hand.

LOL You never entrust any new snowflake with your finances I in fact posted JUST THE OPPOSITE. What you do is turn them into Earners for yourself and your biz and tap into the natural sexual tension between an experienced man and his younger snowflake proteges. And you call it a wing woman relationship where sex is part and parcel to the bargain. I have my ads running again and they are working in both Boston and NYC and one running nation wide. Of course you show them how they can do this work virtually and do not need the expense of a car or travel but just a wifi connection smart phone and PC - all stuff they have already at Uni. They can then earn rewards from their "daddy" like a nice trip when they really produce. I you have never run a biz or hired beez in biz then of course all of this will be foreign. Powerful successful men never give away anything without a quid pro quo and in their biz you have to earn every penny they pay you.

Knowledge is power pure and simple - you just need to learn how to give direction to young women who see value in what you do and are enthusiastically appreciative of being able to ad value to your life and biz. As far as having multiple wing women they all work virtually and its a business - how many businesses only have one employee - again they work virtually and you keep them compartmentalized - they begin as apprentice interns at 10% of what the bring in and as they take on more responsibility up to 50% - it is that simple why make it complex.

It comes back to framing - you are the wise experienced boss and they are the worker beez there to take your direction and NO one in business gets paid until AFTER they produce just a fact in this modern globalized world. Since most beez are into stuff like real estate (they all want a secure roof over their heads) they know RE beez ONLY get paid at the CLOSING. Point is anyone who wants to get paid up front and in advance is a fraud so that is how you weed out the diggers from the worker beez.

(11-15-2013 02:39 AM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  DeepDiver:

I am NOT trying to denigrate anyone; however, this rendition of how to set up a variety of relations with subservient girls sounds like a major fantasy to me, rather than the practicality of the "real" world. Are you talking about something that you have actually achieved, and if so are you suggesting that other guys can achieve such? Also, are we talking about the United States, if so, which part?

I cannot see a real practical way to set up relationships with multiple girls in which they would bang the guy to full satisfaction without drama and be trusted with his finances or with any of his personal information. Generally, guys on this forum who are engaged in the SA game do NOT even want girls that they are banging to see where they live b/c of potential drama, so having a harem of girls to serve seems like a fantasy. I would rather have some guy or ugly girl taking care of my finances, rather than to entrust such to a girl who could go crazy at any moment b/c of her promotion or demotion in the harem.

Girls are too full of drama for that kind of set up in which they are involved in both sex and taking care of a guy's personal affairs, and they do NOT readily accept guys having multiple relations with other girls.. .at least NOT in the good ol US of A.

I do agree that it is possible to set up multiple relations with multiple girls; however, these relations take years to foster and to build and would be NO easy feat to accomplish in modern times, especially in a large majority of places in the United States, unless maybe you are rolling with several million in assets, but then still I would NOT entrust ALL the secrets of the empire to any of the girl that I am banging - although I may allow some of them to know certain parts.

I would be more harsh. What deepdiver is describing, if it is real, is fucking stupid. Imaginary or not, a lot of guys do it, or at least try to. Now if you are a drug dealer, a pimp, involved in a MLM, have no assets, or are generally reckless this may be inconsequential. Otherwise:

a) From a business standpoint, don't sleep with people you pay. Easy sexual harassment settlement for her.

b) From a player standpoint, the same reason why you don't have a girl live with you -- but 10x worse.

I think the whole point of this thread was not paying girls for sex. Making a girl do other work and sleep with you for money sure sounds like a cop out to me.

(11-15-2013 11:35 AM)Deepdiver Wrote:  LOL You never entrust any new snowflake with your finances I in fact posted JUST THE OPPOSITE. What you do is turn them into Earners for yourself and your biz and tap into the natural sexual tension between an experienced man and his younger snowflake proteges. And you call it a wing woman relationship where sex is part and parcel to the bargain. I have my ads running again and they are working in both Boston and NYC and one running nation wide. Of course you show them how they can do this work virtually and do not need the expense of a car or travel but just a wifi connection smart phone and PC - all stuff they have already at Uni. They can then earn rewards from their "daddy" like a nice trip when they really produce. I you have never run a biz or hired beez in biz then of course all of this will be foreign. Powerful successful men never give away anything without a quid pro quo and in their biz you have to earn every penny they pay you.

Knowledge is power pure and simple - you just need to learn how to give direction to young women who see value in what you do and are enthusiastically appreciative of being able to ad value to your life and biz. As far as having multiple wing women they all work virtually and its a business - how many businesses only have one employee - again they work virtually and you keep them compartmentalized - they begin as apprentice interns at 10% of what the bring in and as they take on more responsibility up to 50% - it is that simple why make it complex.

It comes back to framing - you are the wise experienced boss and they are the worker beez there to take your direction and NO one in business gets paid until AFTER they produce just a fact in this modern globalized world. Since most beez are into stuff like real estate (they all want a secure roof over their heads) they know RE beez ONLY get paid at the CLOSING. Point is anyone who wants to get paid up front and in advance is a fraud so that is how you weed out the diggers from the worker beez.

DDiver:

Don’t get the impression that I am just attempting to pick a fight, just for the sake of it. In fact, likely we agree on several of the principles that you outlined in theory. I also agree that sometimes a guy can create a certain reality by having a vision, projecting an image and following through with projection and vision. Nonetheless, I remain concerned about the practicality of various aspects of your suggestions for regular guys on this forum.

Likely it is true that if you are rolling with a certain level of assets and business connections, then you can maintain a sort of scharade and even to get various women to carry out compartmentalized tasks for you and ultimatlely to provide both sex and money. Nonetheless, we live in a very litigious society and we live in a society with a lot of women – libbers – so there is considerable potential for drama when the guy is NOT playing this game correctly and NOT keeping sufficient control over the overall envioronment to keep the various segments of the wing women separated from one another – and if you keep these women that you bang for more than one or two pump and dumps, they will be spinning their hamsters and engaging in all kinds of unpredictable behavior – while you are trying to bang the next prospect, their hamsters are spinning and they are plotting subtle ways to undermine you without you realizing it… The sophisticated women that you are talking about banging are NOT that dumb and if they get the sense that they are being played, they start to consider various ways to undermine the guy.

Sometimes you may get lucky to be able to completely separate aspects of your life; however there is also going to be some circumstances in which hamsters may end up meeting each other or finding out about each other and then they begin to know too much about how they may have been tricked (even if they were NOT tricked) and overlap in which one wing woman is going to meet another and then they talk and then drama…
Additionally, your several references to fictional characters to provide a frame of reference got me further wondering about the real world application of your various outlined theories, and personally, I would rather hear about frame of reference interactions that you have had personally, rather than pointing out some fictional character or some fictional piece on TV that may or may NOT play out very well in real world applications.



EDIT: I read the below after I posted:

(11-15-2013 01:25 PM)babelfish669 Wrote:  I would be more harsh. What deepdiver is describing, if it is real, is fucking stupid. Imaginary or not, a lot of guys do it, or at least try to. Now if you are a drug dealer, a pimp, involved in a MLM, have no assets, or are generally reckless this may be inconsequential. Otherwise:

a) From a business standpoint, don't sleep with people you pay. Easy sexual harassment settlement for her.

b) From a player standpoint, the same reason why you don't have a girl live with you -- but 10x worse.

I think the whole point of this thread was not paying girls for sex. Making a girl do other work and sleep with you for money sure sounds like a cop out to me.

Thanks BabelFish:

Your above points ( a) and b) ) may have been what I was attempting to say, but you said it more directly and more clearly.


Regarding your last point about NOT paying money to the girl.

Personally, I think that if a guy could get over the other problems of having the girl too involved with the guy in various ways, that in theory, if a guy were getting the girl to perform a whole lot of services for him and to generate various income for him, like he was the lead pimp, then in theory that would NOT be paying money to the girl.

So regarding the money flow portion, personally, I do NOT have a problem with DDiver's proposed set-up, if the total "fantasy" scheme were to otherwise work in the real world.

LOL So getting female protégés to earn for you in exchange of learning real skillz and provide YOU with fringe benefits is "Effing Stupid" ???

It is called Mentor Protégé game.

@B-Fish To think that I have not factored for false rape and or sexual harassment is to be enormously arrogant and presumptuous. I am dealing with college grads and coeds who have expressed their interest in a SA type relationship whereby they can learn from a mature man and not gansta hoes or sports bar bitches. The only thing Mentor Protégé game presumes is that you actually have some serious biz skillz she would want to learn and can earn from. The beauty of it is it is not a charade but fact - I learned this particular set of skillz over many years from a sole proprietor who earns as much as $1.5M a year when biz is booming and it is now in fact BOOMING again due to all three major market indicies at all time records, a 2013 IPO market as hot as 2007 and Obamacare creating demand for all sorts of STEM and healthcare positions that need to be filled asap to serve upwards of 45 Million new patients - no matter what happens with ACA these patients are not going away. Add to that 75 Million retiring Baby Boomers and this becomes a fairly long term economic driver - my phone has been ringing off the hook every day lately for new biz.

If you research just how much global money is in fact sloshing around Boston its mind boggling (Mutual Funds, Hedge Funds, Private Equity Funds, Venture Capital Funds, Biotech and High Techs of all kinds). And that is just one USA City.

J2G this SA game thread is an on going process and we are here to share our experiences good and otherwise so constructive criticism is useful and I am as surprised as anyone at the quality of prospective Wing Women Sugar Babies I am getting serious inquiries from. A while back a fellow RVF'er asked me to keep the thread apprised of my real results therefore why I shared. As for fictional Characters Google Rick Harrison on Pawn Stars History Channel - real as rain.

With the hostile attacks looks like I will have to keep my mentor protégé game data sheet to myself then and take my own advice success is secrecy and secrecy is success - what I will disclose is the quality of females replying is even higher range than I had anticipated.

What is clear is a new thread on how to keep hamsters loyal to you and only you in every way sexually, psychologically and economically is greatly needed here to help the doubters and haters - just saying.

Keep it Deep - Diver out.

DD,

Personally, I appreciate the posts and hope you keep posting. Information is shared and people are welcome to practice it or not. But sharing the idea and allowing others to learn is really appreciated. Without the sharing some people may never know of another angle. We only know what we know. Hopefully, we all realize there is a lot we don't know.

(11-15-2013 05:41 PM)Deepdiver Wrote:  With the hostile attacks looks like I will have to keep my mentor protégé game data sheet to myself then and take my own advice success is secrecy and secrecy is success

I would be happy to read that data sheet. Also, note that the ones who disagree with you attack, whereas the ones who do not disagree stay silent for the most part. Mentor-Protégé Game is so far from my experience that I am merely intrigued, and in no rush to agree or disagree.

You really don't think a finance major from Wharton is banging i-bankers to learn things from them and to network?

Or that pre-law majors and young law students love dating older more successful lawyers?

With no money changing hands?

Think again. Mentorship game is real.

(11-15-2013 06:25 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  You really don't think a finance major from Wharton is banging i-bankers to learn things from them and to network?

Or that pre-law majors and young law students love dating older more successful lawyers?

With no money changing hands?

Think again. Mentorship game is real.

+1 No one passes on serious money earning skillz without a quid pro quo... Stockbrokers get their series 7 and then have to open at least 20 new accounts for their sponsoring broker before they can open accounts for their own "book".

Realtors (Real Estate Agents) have to work under a licensed broker for at least a year before they can get their own license as a full Broker that others can hang their shingles under.

I had to work 5 years on the side as an independent contractor 1099 with the sole proprietor before I knew all off the biz secrets and now see many many opps to work in Mentor Protégé game with the new SA model.

Mentor Protégé is simply exchanging like kind services under signed NDA and commission sharing at the close of a deal with a ladder of increasing comp for increasing performance.

The SA spin just adds clarity up front to the nature of fringe NSA friends with benefits expected as part of the package.

Do you really think hot sexy Realtors do not sleep with a big buyer to close a fat commission check in excess of 5 or 6 figures or to get a plum lisiting ???

Just setting clear expectations up front with the SA model on the mentor protégé basis.

(11-15-2013 05:41 PM)Deepdiver Wrote:  With the hostile attacks looks like I will have to keep my mentor protégé game data sheet to myself then and take my own advice success is secrecy and secrecy is success - what I will disclose is the quality of females replying is even higher range than I had anticipated.

This sounds like the rich kid crying that the poor kids are NOT playing fairly, and so therefore the rich kid is going to take back the toys and go home to cause the poor kids to suffer without the nice toys.

In my humble opinion, we should NOT be placed in a position to have to beg you to provide your toys.. or your data sheets.

(11-15-2013 05:41 PM)Deepdiver Wrote:  What is clear is a new thread on how to keep hamsters loyal to you and only you in every way sexually, psychologically and economically is greatly needed here to help the doubters and haters - just saying.

Good idea about the potential of a new thread on such a topic – although such discussion may also fit pretty well within this thread. It is my assessment that NO one is hating on you – only that some guys remain skeptical, and some more skeptical than others. If you provide some specific information about some of your tactics and personal experiences, then it could answer some of the questions that some guys may have.. especially, when you are getting into various complications about potential multiple bangs and longer term bang relationships.

And, if there are only a few of us who may remain as skeptics, then so what? Why should it matter that a few of us continue to be skeptics? If everyone is saying that I should invest in X stock, and I keep saying that it is NOT going to work because I am a skeptic, then I am the one who loses for NOT investing, so in that regard, I remain unclear why you would be turned off by the presence of a few skeptics.

Also, I think that if someone says that your idea is “fucking stupid,” the guy is really saying that it does NOT make sense in the world in which he understands and based on his own experiences, and he may be difficult to convince; however, there may be many other guys who “believe” and are willing to follow and learn from your various outlined tactics and experiences.

(11-15-2013 06:21 PM)Icarus Wrote:  Also, note that the ones who disagree with you attack, whereas the ones who do not disagree stay silent for the most part.

I believe that it is the wrong mindset to frame someone who questions the claims that are being made as an “attack.” For me, I was mostly asking for more clarification and details about how DDiver goes from point A to point B – and suggesting that what he was describing seems a bit fanciful in my frame of reference – because what DDiver was asserting seemed to be way too simplified for regular RVF guys to be able to pull off with success – especially when it comes to potentially juggling a harem or having several simultaneous relationships like this. Guys would need to know how to manage such a harem.

Nonetheless, I will NOT downplay the possibility that some variation of what DDiver is outlining could be pulled off by regular RVF guys – especially on a smaller scale and building up to the potential of a more complicated set of circumstances.

(11-15-2013 06:25 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  You really don't think a finance major from Wharton is banging i-bankers to learn things from them and to network?

Or that pre-law majors and young law students love dating older more successful lawyers?

With no money changing hands?

Think again. Mentorship game is real.

Mike:

I believe that NONE of us are questioning that any of these kinds of bangings are taking place….. and that there is a mentorship game that works in some circumstances, and if cards are played correctly. Maybe there is just more of a problem in the way that DDiver suggests the ease of pulling off such game or to have such game going on with a harem of mentees.

Actually, we do NOT necessarily need to see DDivers qualifications or resume or financial sheet, but we may need further specifics in order to better understand how guys on RVF can pull of such arrangements.

No one is obligated to force feed all the details of how an "angle" may work. A person can share as much as a person wants to.

Really it just comes down to intention. 100% burn the ships intention and almost anything is achievable. Some people just like to over process stuff. Sometimes you just got to try and fail. I am sort of expanding beyond the DD postings here. I know we want to minimize costs/expenses/rejection but sometimes we got to figure it out for ourselves. It is sort of like wanting to know you won the game before playing, but forgetting that the fun sometimes is just in the playing. I am developing a business right now, but have no idea if it will work out. I have processed in my head over and over, and just decided that I need to bankroll it and develop it and see what happens. I'll never know unless I put capital at risk. But I will hopefully find out soon enough if I should have just taken a few expensive vacations instead.

I don't get the vibe that DD is some guy that makes up shit to brag on an anonymous internet forum.

And there is plenty of stuff that is described on this board, that though I believe are real, I don't think I could pull off - or at least not in my current set of circumstances and mindset. Regardless of how much detail is provided. YA I AM LOOKING AT YOU SLUBU

(11-15-2013 08:00 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  No one is obligated to force feed all the details of how an "angle" may work. A person can share as much as a person wants to.

Sam(cubed):

It seems that you are overstating the case here, a little bit. Agreed that no one is obligated to provide all details of an angle…. That is for sure. However, it seems to me that a guy has an obligation to back up some of what he says with specifics about how he is making such an assertion beyond the fact that he saw it on TV. Surely, DDiver has provided us more than the mere TV, but NOT much regarding his personal experience(s) with actual world application(s).

In that regard, personally, I prefer to live somewhat in the real world and to learn from the experience of other guys in order that I can weigh whether I want to pursue the matter myself. I am NOT going to follow any lame theory without being somewhat convinced that it may work for me (or that I can make it work for me).

(11-15-2013 08:00 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  I don't get the vibe that DD is some guy that makes up shit to brag on an anonymous internet forum.

You may be correct, here. I believe that the mere fact that someone wants more detail or more explanation or more description of experience or logic is NOT directly accusing the guy of being a phoney. However, a guy should be prepared to provide some information about how he has applied his theory in the past or to reveal that he has never tried it but is thinking about it or that he attempted to apply it but it did NOT work or whatever the case may be. If a guy tried something and it worked once, that carries a little less weight than if a guy tried something and it worked 50 times and failed only once or twice or however many times. That kind of data helps us to consider how and/or if to apply the theory to practice of our own situation(s).

(11-15-2013 08:00 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  And there is plenty of stuff that is described on this board, that though I believe are real, I don't think I could pull off - or at least not in my current set of circumstances and mindset. Regardless of how much detail is provided.

You are correct that sometimes details do NOT help to fix a poorly outlined plan or a plan that is pie in the sky.

Probably, Sam(cubed) we are on a similar page in that neither of us would want to be wasting a whole lot of money, time and energies on something that is for sure NOT going to work, but we would be willing to take a chance on something that may work or that may pay big rewards (even if, also, it may fail).

(11-15-2013 07:05 PM)Deepdiver Wrote:  Do you really think hot sexy Realtors do not sleep with a big buyer to close a fat commission check in excess of 5 or 6 figures or to get a plum lisiting ???

There was a more detailed discussion of this quite a while back. I think it was in some "sluttiest professions" thread. If I find it, I will post the link.

(11-15-2013 08:46 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 07:05 PM)Deepdiver Wrote:  Do you really think hot sexy Realtors do not sleep with a big buyer to close a fat commission check in excess of 5 or 6 figures or to get a plum lisiting ???

There was a more detailed discussion of this quite a while back. I think it was in some "sluttiest professions" thread. If I find it, I will post the link.

Supposedly this is very common in Miami.

There are a lot of hot realtor girls there.

Disclaimer:

I have mostly heard this from other non-realtor girls in Miami so the source is suspect.

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Could be a new form of "Bait and Switch" Game (so to speak).

Anybody ever seen any of those chicks who do pharmaceutical sales?

Most of them are smoking hot

I will never be convinced that some docs aren't getting their dicks sucked in exchange for prescribing pills

(11-15-2013 09:36 PM)MrXY Wrote:  Anybody ever seen any of those chicks who do pharmaceutical sales?

Most of them are smoking hot

I will never be convinced that some docs aren't getting their dicks sucked in exchange for prescribing pills

100%.

I used to know a lot of those pharm girls.

Disclaimer:

I have mostly heard this from other pharm girls so the source is suspect.

Just so the doubters are aware, there are a lot of girls on SA that specifically state they are looking for a mentor.

I've been with several that were wanting to tap the experience and connections of their SD, so what DD is describing is in no way out of left field.

Broads will trade what they have for what they want.

Who wants all that headache just to bang some chicks?

I had a SA girl ask me to review her 300 word college application essay today. That was plenty for me.

I'm into the mentor mentee frame but limited to advice and general counsel. And of course sexually.

I have 60-120 employees depending on how you look at it and the last thing I ever want to do is bang one of them.

Pussy is the universal currency; accepted everywhere for everything.

(11-15-2013 10:54 PM)Menace Wrote:  Pussy is the universal currency; accepted everywhere for everything.

More accepted than bit coins, that's for sure.

(11-15-2013 10:18 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  Just so the doubters are aware, there are a lot of girls on SA that specifically state they are looking for a mentor.

I've been with several that were wanting to tap the experience and connections of their SD, so what DD is describing is in no way out of left field.

Broads will trade what they have for what they want.

+1 As one of my most successful business acquaintances (Ran a large hedge fund now runs his own with his own funds - nobody bothers him that way) likes to say in business "the what is free the how costs"

For any other real mentors PM me to compare notes - I spent way to long at sea under nuclear power on patrol to be questioned by the younguns. Concept of chain of command eludes them.