(07-27-2015 02:35 AM)Gorgiass Wrote:  Are any guys drinking with under 21s? I had a 20yo the other week, came straight over to "meet up" and we were "going to go out from there" but I managed to keep it in the house, had some drinks and food and banged. Another 19yo in the works, but for a fallback plan in case she or others don't want to come straight over, or do come over but get antsy hanging out, I was thinking an ethnic BYOB restaurant and bringing a bottle of wine to lower inhibitions. Too risky?

Get a place on lock, this shouldn't be an issue since you stated you've never been carded at one. Definitely a fall-back only plan and you can always say you're only going to get a salad because you're not that hungry. Most girls would never dream of ordering a big dinner if you're eating a salad or an appetizer.

(07-29-2015 02:42 AM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

(07-27-2015 02:35 AM)Gorgiass Wrote:  Are any guys drinking with under 21s? I had a 20yo the other week, came straight over to "meet up" and we were "going to go out from there" but I managed to keep it in the house, had some drinks and food and banged. Another 19yo in the works, but for a fallback plan in case she or others don't want to come straight over, or do come over but get antsy hanging out, I was thinking an ethnic BYOB restaurant and bringing a bottle of wine to lower inhibitions. Too risky?

Get a place on lock, this shouldn't be an issue since you stated you've never been carded at one. Definitely a fall-back only plan and you can always say you're only going to get a salad because you're not that hungry. Most girls would never dream of ordering a big dinner if you're eating a salad or an appetizer.

Agreed. I like to set the time around 7, which is late in the dinner window so that it just becomes an unviable option. Savings there.

Go to a wine bar or lounge where she can't buy expensive drinks. Get one glass of the second cheapest wine and nurse that motherfucker for half an hour. Savings there.

Stay close to the meeting venue so you don't have to get transportation. Savings there.

Pull back to your room which is hopefully either comped by work or earning you points (or both really) as in the Frequent Traveller thread. Savings there.

Buy whatever wine you get in bulk from Costco. Savings there.

Always angle to spend less and try to offer more in the way of intangibles (mentorship, guidance, a good personality, someone who just generally has his shit together).

Other than literally the cost of the SA membership itself, I am averaging ~$50/notch now and always looking for more ways to cut.

Talking to this 21 year old dime piece , had two guys aged 38 and 45 pump and dump her . One guy gave her $100 afterwards , lmao and now she gets worried ^.^ Hopefully in a week , I'll be another one added to that list who pumped and dumped her . Ohh shit , just google searched her pics , found her instagram and facebook , silly sloot has a boyfriend . Now i know why she only wants to meet daytime .

Is there an iPhone app for this thing ? i have it on android but now got an iPhone and can't find the app on the AppStore

A girl was going to drive two hours from another town to meet me for dinner this evening. Very enthusiastic at first but freaked out at last minute. She said the photo I sent her wasn't remotely close to my profile picture. Problem is that my profile pic was a silhouette so I guess the photo I sent didn't match her expectations. Was a crappy webcam photo though. Tried to persuade her a bit but got this response: "Pas".

What does that mean?? Never heard that.

Not much luck for me. Very few active members in the 25 mile vicinity. There is another girl who is interested and bangable. Lives nearby, I suggested meeting at a "fancy" cafe.

(08-11-2015 06:14 PM)duedue Wrote:  A girl was going to drive two hours from another town to meet me for dinner this evening. Very enthusiastic at first but freaked out at last minute. She said the photo I sent her wasn't remotely close to my profile picture. Problem is that my profile pic was a silhouette so I guess the photo I sent didn't match her expectations. Was a crappy webcam photo though. Tried to persuade her a bit but got this response: "Pas".

What does that mean?? Never heard that.

Not much luck for me. Very few active members in the 25 mile vicinity. There is another girl who is interested and bangable. Lives nearby, I suggested meeting at a "fancy" cafe.

I think its a typo for "pass" as in pass on you.

But this is your fault and a good lesson to be learned here: get a better fucking picture of you! Appearances matter!

(08-11-2015 06:14 PM)duedue Wrote:  A girl was going to drive two hours from another town to meet me for dinner this evening. Very enthusiastic at first but freaked out at last minute. She said the photo I sent her wasn't remotely close to my profile picture. Problem is that my profile pic was a silhouette so I guess the photo I sent didn't match her expectations. Was a crappy webcam photo though. Tried to persuade her a bit but got this response: "Pas".

What does that mean?? Never heard that.

Not much luck for me. Very few active members in the 25 mile vicinity. There is another girl who is interested and bangable. Lives nearby, I suggested meeting at a "fancy" cafe.

Funny, I've had exactly the same experience in the last week for the first time as well. You can tell from a girl's face a lot of the time within meeting you what she thinks before you even utter a word, sometimes it's pure fucking disgust as if she's seeing a fat 50 year old bald man rather than a 7/10 guy or above. The girls online are typically shallow as fuck, it is 90% based on looks and many think they deserve to be dating models. Don't take it to heart at all. The girl I met herself looked about 10 years older than her stated age, surprise surprise.

There's nothing wrong with optimising your photos (and I don't mean making your nose smaller for example on photoshop but improving the lighting and touching it up a little), just screen better on phone game and ask her for more photos and in return she'll ask for more of yours. You can start as the best photo on your profile and get a couple of other good ones to send her later, so neither side will feel conned when you finally meet. Also make sure you meet close to your place so that there will be little time wasted for you if it does happen or she blows you off for any other reason, the lesser you invest in these girls the better.

They all have Pretty Woman fantasies...it's hilarious really that these whores think they can be picky.

So deluded that they think that their 7-8/10 ass is gonna be given money for existing by a tall, youngish, super handsome alpha male...


You just have to accept though, that at the end of the day, no matter what you look like, some of the girls are just not gonna be into you.

Who cares though...the site is full of interchangeable whores...onto the next one.

What CBW said.

The level of delusion is even higher among the girls on SA than in average American girls.

Most of them think they're perfect 10s. You need to knock them down a peg. Start by tailoring your profile description so that it's clear you're choosy and won't put up with anyone who doesn't meet your criteria.

Yeah, absolutely true. Look at this (from a 26 yo girl):

@ Vincent: I don't take it by heart but am a bit angry at myself that I broke my own rule: not to try to persuade a girl who tells me no. Sometimes it's difficult to tell the difference between a shit test and a no; although I think the main point is setting my frame right.

(08-12-2015 04:40 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  They all have Pretty Woman fantasies...it's hilarious really that these whores think they can be picky.

So deluded that they think that their 7-8/10 ass is gonna be given money for existing by a tall, youngish, super handsome alpha male...

Most of the time it's a simple screening for alphas & guys with a job. Bets are too intimidated to respond.

They can ask for anything they want, I make it clear I'm never giving them money upfront, then if they ask later I just say No. Most girls won't ask you in person anyway once you make it clear you don't play that way.

I've managed to bang more girls off SA to the point Starwood and Hilton gave me a fucking free night each and I got upgraded SPG status, gold bitches!

The MILF I've been fucking has wised ip and realized I'm not like most SA beta chumps. I've fucked her 30 times at least over the past 2 months and haven't paid her a dime. She started mentioning that she was having problems with her rent and other stuff, I just ignored her. She finally asked me this week why I haven't offered to help when her regular friends have.

Not sure how to take it from here, I want to continue my long con and continue fucking her. But no way in hell am I paying a dime.

1 - Victimize myself and say "I was going to offer to help as I saw that you were the one but since you now mentioned seeing others guys forget about that"

2 - Victimize myself and say "I thought you were a good girl, but thanks for showing me your true colors"

3 - Alpha "If those guys are willing to pay to text you and I haven't that tells me a lot about your choices."

She thinks I'm in Boston for biz so I might troll her and say "I was planning on flying over to visit you but since you showed your true intentions.....I'll be spending the weekend in Montreal".

Either way, I got 10 more bitches lined up. From 18 year olds to MILFs with DDs.

I've been so busy that I haven't been on SA that much. College is starting soon and I've seen the number of 18-22 girls on SA swell up as well, what a coincidence!

(08-13-2015 06:45 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  I've managed to bang more girls off SA to the point Starwood and Hilton gave me a fucking free night each and I got upgraded SPG status, gold bitches!

The MILF I've been fucking has wised ip and realized I'm not like most SA beta chumps. I've fucked her 30 times at least over the past 2 months and haven't paid her a dime. She started mentioning that she was having problems with her rent and other stuff, I just ignored her. She finally asked me this week why I haven't offered to help when her regular friends have.

Not sure how to take it from here, I want to continue my long con and continue fucking her. But no way in hell am I paying a dime.

1 - Victimize myself and say "I was going to offer to help as I saw that you were the one but since you now mentioned seeing others guys forget about that"

2 - Victimize myself and say "I thought you were a good girl, but thanks for showing me your true colors"

3 - Alpha "If those guys are willing to pay to text you and I haven't that tells me a lot about your choices."

She thinks I'm in Boston for biz so I might troll her and say "I was planning on flying over to visit you but since you showed your true intentions.....I'll be spending the weekend in Montreal".

Either way, I got 10 more bitches lined up. From 18 year olds to MILFs with DDs.

I've been so busy that I haven't been on SA that much. College is starting soon and I've seen the number of 18-22 girls on SA swell up as well, what a coincidence!

Are you now only using SA for online game or are you still using other sites? Do you still agree with the statement you made early in your post history that MILFs aren't broke or do you now agree with me when I say most of them are?

(08-13-2015 06:55 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  Are you now only using SA for online game or are you still using other sites? Do you still agree with the statement you made early in your post history that MILFs aren't broke or do you now agree with me when I say most of them are?

Hahahah, I'll say that you are right indeed! Most of these bitches make a lot of money but have a high debt ratio, spending beyond their means. So even though they make money, they're actually broke due to heavy debt. The last cougar I dated was a trust fund woman, but that bitch was bipolar. She called my office one time.

Yes, I'm only using SA at the moment. OKC and POF don't attract the bitches with money (match) or hot ones (SA).

I got banned from Match.com for telling two older broads 1 - she hit the wall and should not be so uptight and 2 - Telling another one that she should lose some weight and wear heels.

This one has an interesting story. She owned a very high end shop in her town but she lost it in her divorce. Ironically I met her the day she divorced and read the paperwork while she was showering.......she gave up the biz to him so he would finally sign the papers. I googled her up a bit, she was quite a big deal but without her biz....she had no money. So she ended up on SA.

I thought it was hilarious that she thought I would pay her rent, she didn't ask but kept implying money issues. Some dudes have offered her money just to text, I just invited her out for drinks and within an hour we were fucking. Game works. Oh an I lied about my age to her, added a decade to my real age.

You got banned because you told a girl she should wear heels? My God!

Do you know why she gave up so much to get the divorce?

In general what percentage of your (first time) messages are responded to on SA? Mine is not so high and I suspect I'm not projecting high SMV.

I've had some top bangs on this website but also a huge amount of wasted time which I'll rant about a little so people are aware.

I make it clear in my profile that I'm not looking for prostitutes and even tell them in one of my first few messages yet some of them just don't seem to take the hint. I had a date with one girl last week, I told her clearly that I'm not looking for escorts, did my usual routine of change of scene close to my place then she comes with the standard "so what are you looking for?". I don't answer her directly and in fact change the subject. Eventually she says "if you want me you're going to have to pay for me". I just have a light smile on my face and tell her that I don't sleep with prostitutes and bye then, she puts her jacket on and walks out, I could see her touching her eyes likely crying. She was towards a 9/10 and gaming her was way too easy like gaming a 6 so that should have told me what it was. Countries with high tuition fees have created lots of student prostitutes, to be honest they have created it themselves and have completely zero morals. They justify it by "it's just the way of the world" so it must be alright then to have sex with a 73 year old. One girl in New York told me she had an "arrangement" (i.e. prostitution) with a 73 year old, she said she was just curious, bet she still is.

Gaming on this thing is no doubt much easier when travelling and with hotels than your local area, and I've had good success with that, much less so when using your own place.

I may take a hiatus from it and go back to the normal dating websites, if there is such a thing as normal, they are all weird in their own ways but dating a girl and then finding out she's a prostitute 2 hours later (this is the trick many of them employ to get you feeling desperate and that you have no option for sex than night so you might as well pay) is rather depressing.

Some are just desperate as much as outright whores I think.

I think you missed a trick there Vincent. Depending on your ethics, she could've been converted into a bang, no doubt.

Hothweels' old test driving a car may well have done the trick.

(08-15-2015 06:12 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  Some are just desperate as much as outright whores I think.

I think you missed a trick there Vincent. Depending on your ethics, she could've been converted into a bang, no doubt.

Hothweels' old test driving a car may well have done the trick.

Agreed. I might take it a step further and say that Vincent, I think you are approaching SA with a bit of confirmation bias. Please correct me if this is not the case, but it is the overall impression I am getting from your negative experiences.

You have the mindset that it's all pros, students or otherwise, and whenever it occurs, which it will quite regularly, this simply reinforces your existing view, and you rinse your hands of it and walk out. There are quite a few known money busting lines that have been put out, Hotwheels' being the most recognized I think.

Would like to hear your thoughts.

Yeah I can see where you're coming from, I didn't try very hard at that point being a bit uncomfortable by the whole thing but it likely is very much salvageable especially with the younger girls especially the ones who aren't looking for just pure escort work. I'm more of an OKCupid expert still trying to hone my skills on this.

At this point a lot of the SA girls have already heard the "test driving a car" line at this point, and tell me as much when I use it. Heh.

(08-16-2015 05:54 AM)eradicator Wrote:  At this point a lot of the SA girls have already heard the "test driving a car" line at this point, and tell me as much when I use it. Heh.

Agreed. This is why I only target the newest profiles. Anyone with a profile over 9 months old does not pass muster. Only exceptions are for absolutely top talent or those with a profile that does not sound stupidly entitled. Even then, I have a hard cap on 1 year old profile.

Same here, I just filter through every week and email the new profiles. The newer they are the less they know about getting dumped.

Sometimes a bitch that has been there 3 years slips through and I call them out "you've been here 3 years, that says a lot about you". This gets them defensive and they start selling themselves to me.

I'll answer the question asked to me tonight, It's written up on my PC at home (dallas) and right now I'm in austin.

SA has been very good to me overall, most bitches are DTF to prove themselves to me.

Conversion Question, I'll try to provide as much info as I can:

Crossed paths with an SB on my fake Tinder account, moved to text. 19, about a 7-8. Trail is still warm. I'm currently using a texting app and a false name.

Have a meet set up for this weekend. She's about an hour out of my way from where my job will put me the day before. Without the job, she'd be about five hours away.
She's also stated that she's done this sort of arrangement before, although her timeline is skewered. It would have had her doing this for 2.5 years (she's currently 19).

One of her sticking points is that the first meeting will only be a meeting. When I pressed this, it was/is one of her rules. She does know that I'm from out of town, and did recommend a couple of decent hotels in her area.
She hammered home discretion. That is a huge sticking point.
"Understands the desire for sex", but has to be "emotionally attached" to the person. Wtf.
She also asked if she would be compensated for her time (after the above conversation). My response was that compensation (gift) would be at my discretion. She "understood", and was ok with that.

I'm guessing that the "first time is only a meeting" and her claim of her history is a giant shit test. I also don't feel like taking an SB to dinner and/or drinks without something at the end of it.

I can walk away (and cancel) if need be if the optics aren't there. But I would like to smash this one on the first (and probably only) visit.

While I know nothing is guaranteed, tips on how to get past the shit test and convert would be appreciated.