Post: #3726

(02-13-2019 08:52 PM)mvp Wrote:  Good job, any details on how you went about the approach?

I was walking along this girl, a 20-year-old college student, on a crowded street and as we stopped at a crosswalk I turned to her, excused myself and asked if she knew any good bars around. She was very receptive and helpful, giving off a vibe that she wanted me to talk to her. She went on to recommend me a bar and, after some talking about what she was doing there, said she had to run to her part-time job, which prompted me to casually ask her for her number, which she gave me right away. It felt very natural throughout, and even though there was no explicit rationale for her giving me her number, we both knew what was going on. It lasted for about five minutes.

In other words, the approach was very indirect and there was never any explicit reference to going on a date or that I found her attractive. I could definitely have been more smooth, as I was struggling somewhat with finding the appropriate tone for the conversation. Safe to say it was certainly not my technical game that got me her number, but rather that she must have found me attractive. A bit of luck, I'd say.

Post: #3727

Help me, bros! I shaved my head recently, and since then, have been seeing a lot of "preens" from women like in this pic.

Is there a non-creepy way to turn that into a conversation starter? Calling strangers out on their body language seems rude af.

Like, imagine you are the bald guy in this pic, and you noticed the woman preening (possible IOI?) right after noticing you, how would you approach her, if at all?

Post: #3728

It's called a hover and once she notices you, open with situational conversation bait (posing statement with some missing pieces to make her ask a question of you) to get her to hook.

Post: #3729

(02-15-2019 03:51 PM)Black Caesar Wrote:  It's called a hover and once she notices you, open with situational conversation bait (posing statement with some missing pieces to make her ask a question of you) to get her to hook.

Situations change, and it's really hard to come up with a good "bait" on the spot.

But the common elements are that (1) I'm bald and (2) I saw her fix her hair.

Is there a good bait or opener I could use in all situations that include these elements?

Post: #3730

Just be creative.

I almost always use something travel related.

"Just got to town"

"Haven't been here long"

"Still getting used to the city"

Just comment about literally anything and throw in something like that.

If you really want to talk about how you're bald

"I keep forgetting that I need a hat for my bald head in this city it is so cold compared to where I was before"

Post: #3731

Post: #3732

This is probably a FAQ, but does anyone here know of a big list of non-creepy indirect openers? It's easier to pick one from a list than try to come up with something in half a second on the spot.

Post: #3733

Went to check out a new bar. As I go to order a beer there's a girl sitting at the bar with like 4 drinks lined up. She's not that hot but i'm trying to get in the social flow! I open ''Are these all your drinks?! You looking to get white-girl wasted tonight?'' She laughs and tells me that 2 are hers, and 2 are her friends who's in the bathroom. I tell her I think she's lying and she laughs, and then I order my beer.

Her friend comes back and her friend is fairly hot. They talk for a few seconds and I re-open the original girl like ''Ahh....you weren't lying to me!'' and then her friend spins around and is like ''oh....hello!!''. Her friend explains how she 'knows' me. I ask where they are going tonight, get their names. I make the hot one laugh a lot with some line about the toilets in the bar i'd just been too being like 'the log flume at Alton Tower''. She was laughing hard!

We carried on chatting a bit. Then she got her phone out and started filming me/us and stuff.

Occasionally I'd talk some some friends who had joined me at the bar and she tapped me on the shoulder a few times to initiate conversation. Was a bit concerned that she hadn't really asked me anything about myself , though. Possible IOD? (indicator of DISinterest)

There were a few moments where we held eye contact as we spoke and I could feel some possible tension.

My friends weren't winging me at all which I think is why I found it so hard to escalate on the girl I liked. Wasn't sure how best to do it and so the interaction never 'really' went 'man-to-woman' enough.

I struggle with how to do this smoothly at the best of times without just blurting out ''I like you by the way. You're pretty'' like an autist, and I guess I found it even harder when her mate was sat next to her! So I just never 'went there'.

We had to leave shortly after and she gave me a hug goodbye, but I didn't ask for the number.

The whole time I was talking to her, there was a very hot, very young girl who seemed to be downing shot after shot every 10 mins. My friends were talking about how hot she was.

ANyway, as we left, they left too, so I decided to go for it outside. I think I opened her and asker how her night was going, and she pretty much just put her palm near my face as if to say ''I'm not interested!''. I should have known. She was extremely hot lol

I think her rejection gave me some approach anxiety, because I failed to open another beautiful girl that was sitting down in the club/bar on the seats. Kept telling myself that she didn't look like she wanted to be approached and was just chatting with her friends, and also every 'opener' in my head started to sound 'bad'. You ever get that? Like, when you're feeling anxious, you think ''I could say, 'hi, I'm James', but then she'll look at me like ''Errrr...why are you telling me this. Go away''. Or I think 'I could go direct and be like ''Hey. You're kinda cute. Thought i'd say Hi', but then she'll be like ''Yeah. I know. Thanks. Bye'' lol. Literally every opener just sounds bad.

Anway, I did manage to find my balls and opened 2 women sitting chatting in a pub. Annoying I can't remember what I opened with, but I remember getting a kind of shocked reaction, yet a positive one. It was possibly something like ''Hi! I thought i'd join you for 2 seconds whilst my mate gets served'' and she was like ''Oh!!!! ha. Ok. what's your name?''.

We started chatting and it went very good. I was teasing them, lots of cocky-funny stuff etc, although I wasn't TAHT attracted to either of them. They were OK, but i'm into girls that are way too young for me, and they were actually a few years older than me.

The better looking one called me 'very confident' a few times which is funny because i'm not at all, although I guess with 'game' I can appear so. Can't think how it ended, but I didn't want them either way. I think me and my friends just bailed.

Feeling a bit better now I got chatting to some random Polish guy who was sitting with 4 hot girls, all from different countries. I then opened the pretty young French girl on a bench and she was super rude and basically told me to leave her alone after I said 'Hi'!'. (Ned Flanders : ''A rude French person?!! Well, I never!!!) I figured since i'd made friends with the dude and he seemed to like me, i'd have built a little value, but this hottie was having none of it!

Then went to get a cab home and bumped into the 2 older girls from the pub. 3 Black guys were trying hard to get them to come back to their house. The prettier one was into it, but the uglier one was shouting at her not to do it. Both girls then got in a cab on their own, but one of the black guys just jumped in their cab and then the other dudes started walking towards it lol. Not sure how that played out!

Post: #3734

Opened the 2 hottest girls in the bar. Both 9's. Blonde and a brunette. Blonde one had that conceited bitch girl vibe about her. I think I opened her based on her crazy red fur jacket she had on. 'Clothes openers' just seem to be by natural go too. And if not, clothes becomes the transtion after the opener lol. I talked to them both and done 'good' in that I was able to basically cram in everything under the umbrella of 'game' into the set. Teased her, disqualified her, cold read etc etc. However, after a few mins I was starting to run out of things to say. It's just almost impossible to keep a convo going when it's so one-sided. I decided to leave on a high and ejected. Don't think any 'game' could have helped that situation. Even if I had Tyler and Mystery and anyone else in my ear. Just not their type

Then opened 2 more absolutely beautiful girls. Opened them and told them they look like they should be in an 80's music video. They both just looked like they were from 1984 with their hair and style. Turns out they were Lithuanian. Both solid 8's. Again, tease, cold read bla bla. I said a few words in Lithuanian which made them laugh. Names, ages, plans for the night, told a little DHV story, but once again, it was all one-sided and they weren't asking my things or making any attempt at keeping the convo going, and so after a few mins I ejected.

Then I opened 2 girls in a different bar. Slightly older and average looking but good practice. I went sexual pretty soon as she was eye-fukking me. She asked me if I have a big dik and I told her it's tiny like a wet baby carrot, and then she started grabbing it through my jeans! I wasn't really into her though and we decided to head too a different bar.

Opened a cute girl who gave me an IOI. Can't actually remember what I opened with though which is annoying as it was a really solid set, and I like to always know exactly what I said in such sets (including the opener). So I opened, teased her, asked who she was with, got her name, ran some silly little 'routine' and she WAS contributing, unlike the earlier girls. Gave us some flow. I got a bit physical with her and gave her an eskimo kiss, and then her Auntie or something tried to pull her away from me but the girl was like ''Trust me, i'm fine. I like him. He's nice''. This happened a few times! Turns out she's engaged, and she's out with her family. Dad, brother, Aunty etc! Bit awkward, but I made fun of the situation and went into some roleplay stuff about me impressing her parents and making them like me so we can run away together. We took some photos and I made friends with one of her friends. At one point she said something like ''If I was single, i'd blatantly be asking you to come home with me tonight'' which was a nice confidence boost. I started talking too a different girl, and she was clearly jealous and pulled me back and and teased me about leaving her! haha. We flirted a little more, but she had to leave. Had lots of attraction in that set

Then I opened some hot girl outside. Was going good, but then my handsome friend came over, and her attention completely flipped from me to him!! haha. This has happened before. She was just all over him due to his looks and I knew there was nothing I could do. She bought him a drink, I think she tried to pull him, but when she could see that he probably wasn't interested, she left

I spot 4 super hot teen girls dancing. I had to double take but I realised that the hottest girl was the one I banged a year or so back and wrote about it in a prior FR!!

Wasn't sure about approaching her as it ended so weird last time, and I could kind of tell that she didn't recognise me when we made eye contact. So I decided to open her as a stranger, and went direct. Basically told her I thought she was cute. She wasn't really giving me anything back and the set was short and kind of awkward and I felt like I was a bit 'needy'. All pull and no push. I ejected, but to my surprise, she walked up to me a few mins later and opened me and we chatted. I told her I recognised her, but didn't tell her where from. She honestly seemed to have no idea who I am which is weird but kind of good. Weird thing was that she asked me to give her my phone to put her number in, but it doesn't seem to be in there when I go to my contacts. Odd. And I was too drunk to check at the time. Anyway, I saw her again outside an hour or so later, and she was being chatted up by some handsome dude, and I called her over to me, and she gave me a horrible expression as if to say ''Who are you? Go away'' and then she just blanked me! haha. Ouch. Not sure what that's about. I think she's just a bit nuts tbh. But then I learnt that the first time round from when I banged her!! Damn hot, though!

Possibly a couple other short sets but nothing to write about. Instant blowouts I think. Nothing I could have done. I just wasn't their 'type' lookswise, I guess

Post: #3735

2 girls are sitting in an area away from everyone else. The girl I like is like a 9/10. She just looks like a to model. Stunning face and nice body. My instincts tell me that this will be a rough set due to how hot she is and her body language and the fact she's sitting in an area where there's no 'traffic'. Fuck it. I walk over to her and she starts 'fanning' herself with a menu. I grab a menu sitting near her and say ''I got you'' and fan her a little in a playful way. I know from experience that this sort of opener is fine and can go down well, so I don't blame the opener. Anyway, she reacts like most hot girls nowadays. Like she's Kylie Jenner or something and looks at me like trash and tells me to go away in what might have been like Russian accent or something. My mission in life is to 'turn' these kind of girls from a hard 'no' too a yes, even if it's not actually possible. I try to implement some lines that I've read from game books and tease her about her reaction like I find it amusing. I'm like ''Awww....are you always so friendly to strangers? I love your attitude!''. But she still didn't really react and tried to just turn her whole body away from me like I was homeless. I carried on for a few more seconds, but it was completely pointless. She was STUNNING but just a bitch and probably would have reacted that way to everyone who wasn't like a model or a premier league footballer or something lol

In the same bar, i'm about to leave, and I spot a beautiful girl with a really interesting look. Looks like Dita Von teese with her dress sense. I open her. I can't remember whether I went with a silly direct opener like ''Wow. I was gay until I saw you!'' or whether I commented with something like ''You look nice. you remind me of one of those actresses in the 50's''. Either way, she was fairly receptive off of the bat.

She 'hooked' pretty fast and told me that it was unusual for her to NOT just instantly reject some random guy who approached her. As a student of game I found this interesting and it lead too a fun discussion about meeting people and stuff. She was kind of complimenting me on my confidence and my approach and stuff which was nice.

I started to run some very heavy/technical/ kinda old school game here. I noticed her rings and grabbed her hand and was like ''tell me about this one!''. I'm playing with her fingers as she's talking. I start rambling off some nonsense about how each finger responds too a greek God and talk about Dionysus and how he's the God of wine and how she must be a party girl.

Her friend tries to steal her from me, but she tells her that she's fine. Her friend then buys us all shots at the bar whilst I carry on working!

I run another 'routine' and then go into some cold reads. Classic ''good girl, bad girl stuff''. She's eating it up. I accidentally brush her boob with my hand and she's like ''You just touched my boob'' and I was like ''I know. I even tried to make it seem like an accident! It'll be your ass in a minute, but can you not point it out next time?'' and she laughed and hit my arm.

I try to use some time distortion by bouncing her too a different bar and she complies.

I'm trying to cram every single line and technique/theory that I've ever read (and I've read them ALL!!).

I now start the qualification stuff. I'm trying to make her think that I like her for reasons that aren't to do with her looks basically.

She's obviously somewhat attracted, so I isolate her and ramp up the kino. I'm rubbing my hands over her hips and ass

I've got her pushed up against a fence and she's gone 'floppy'. This' floppy' thing is something I've seen so many times and it's when she's attracted. However, it was a busy area, her friend was watching, and I could definitely feel some resistance. I tried to test the waters by getting me mouth super close to hers but she kind of turned her head and pulled away. I knew she wasn't ready yet. I needed more time, HOWEVER, her friend had to go, and she was staying with her and her uber that she booked just turned up out of nowhere and she literally had to go then!!1 sucked.

It was late now and as i'm walking to get a cab I spot a beautiful, very young girl. Like 18. I just extend my hand for her to take and she does lol. I spin her around and then we recognise each other. It's some hot girl who I tried gamin about 6 months ago! We laugh and I just get super physical straight away. Pick her up. Carry her to some dark area and just test for compliance. A bit like with the other girl, she's into it, but she's not ready. I can tell. I don't go for the kiss. Kind of wish I had have though, tbh. Just in case I read it wrong, although i'm usually right tbh. Her friend calls her and she leaves and tells me to add her on fb.

So basically, one harsh rejection, one close call, and one short encounter with familiar face.

Post: #3736

Haven’t cold approached in a long time. lots of rust to knock off

1
tall 18-ish brunette walking by herself.
me: excuse me, do you know if there is a pet store around here?
her, smiling: yes, there is
me: really, do they have dogs?
her: yes
me: puppies?
her: yes, its right up that way, on the right
me: got it, thanks

2
short 18 year old mexi girl
sat down next to me, asked if she could sit. I said yeah and ran indirect day game. it went very well, and she ended up asking where I was from and why I moved out here from my hometown. I ran GALNUC and she asked me questions too (how old am I (she guessed 7yrs older than my real age!). said she seemed cool and we should hang out some time. she said ahh I dont think I should. I tried a few diff ways including saying “how about this, I’ll take your #, text you and if you dont want to hang out, no big deal). she still said nooo I dont think so. I asked her, “is it weird to meet a guy at the mall food court like this?” and she said yeah. seemed uncomfortable so I bailed. probably 5 minutes total.

I think she was just not interested in a much older guy

3
two cute 18 ish year olds (might have been younger)
dropped my day game opener and they had good eye contact and were helpful, but wouldnt stand still. they kept body rocking or moving around and eventually the white girl led the asian girl away and the approach was over

Post: #3737

Shit.
I noticed I havn't approached in a month!
Need to get back to it.

Post: #3738

The approach without a close...
It was the Monday morning after the time change and I had just made my flight. I'd been up since 3:30 AM, and the flight left the gate at 5:20. I'd spent the weekend reconnecting with a hot blonde, I was tired, and my balls were drained. Halfway through the flight, I went and used the lavatory while the best looking stewardess was standing up there in the front of the cabin. She was a solid 9, 10 years ago. Her face showed some age. I pegged her age in the 40's.

As I left the lav, I asked her if this was her first leg of the day.

She confirmed it was and that she had 4 flights the day before.

I remarked "Early morning eh?"

She replied it was her only flight that day, that she was going home. She volunteered the info that home was a town 80 miles from our destination (but in the opposite direction from my town.)

Then she proceeded to volunteer the fact she woke up at 2 am and that the fire alarm went off at her hotel that night at midnight.

I bid her farewell and she asked me "is there anything else I can do for you?"

As i was stepping away I said "Excuse me what?"

She repeated "Is there anything ELSE I can do for you?"

At this point I had a window....I COULD have asked for her number but I knew I wasn't going to follow up on it. I was tired. I wish I'd asked just to know if I could have...

Post: #3739

(03-09-2019 02:52 PM)TheMaleBrain Wrote:  Shit.
I noticed I havn't approached in a month!
Need to get back to it.

Finally pulled myself together.
I've been under a lot of pressure at work, and this resulted in actually not wanting to approach.

After an extremely long day and finishing my deadline at 22:30, I was beyond tired. There was a new social circle meeting at a pub near by (7 minute drive from home). Went there and met 9 guys and one girl.
It has been a very long time since I was the AMOG (Alpha Men On the Group). She gravitated toward me and it also helped that most of the people were just using their phones.
She was a 4"11, stocky girl. Would estimate her as HB5 on a good day. If she lost 25 pounds she would be HB6 or maybe HB6.5.
I moved next to her and started talking to her, then cold reading her. Since her character was somewhat similar to one of my MLTR, I treated her almost the same. It worked.
Within 45 minutes of conversation, and light touch, she put her hands on my knees. We were laughing and enjoying ourselves, and no one actually bothered with us. At the hour mark I told her to come outside, which she did. I tried to kiss her twice, but she gave me the chick.
Went back in and talked with the guys a little more till we decided to split. I walked her to her car and tried again. Did not work.

I knew that the next 2 days I had my regular two MLTRs lined up. So I told her good night.
Unsure if it is worth perusing. I have her phone from the Whatsapp group.

Post: #3740

(03-16-2019 03:47 PM)TheMaleBrain Wrote:  

(03-09-2019 02:52 PM)TheMaleBrain Wrote:  Shit.
I noticed I havn't approached in a month!
Need to get back to it.

Finally pulled myself together.
I've been under a lot of pressure at work, and this resulted in actually not wanting to approach.

After an extremely long day and finishing my deadline at 22:30, I was beyond tired. There was a new social circle meeting at a pub near by (7 minute drive from home). Went there and met 9 guys and one girl.
It has been a very long time since I was the AMOG (Alpha Men On the Group). She gravitated toward me and it also helped that most of the people were just using their phones.
She was a 4"11, stocky girl. Would estimate her as HB5 on a good day. If she lost 25 pounds she would be HB6 or maybe HB6.5.
I moved next to her and started talking to her, then cold reading her. Since her character was somewhat similar to one of my MLTR, I treated her almost the same. It worked.
Within 45 minutes of conversation, and light touch, she put her hands on my knees. We were laughing and enjoying ourselves, and no one actually bothered with us. At the hour mark I told her to come outside, which she did. I tried to kiss her twice, but she gave me the chick.
Went back in and talked with the guys a little more till we decided to split. I walked her to her car and tried again. Did not work.

I knew that the next 2 days I had my regular two MLTRs lined up. So I told her good night.
Unsure if it is worth perusing. I have her phone from the Whatsapp group.

Did this happen in Israel? I mean, fat HB5 validating herself and giving signals and then refusing to continue further. That kind of shit happens usually in Anglo countries.

Post: #3741

I never tried day game until now, had about 7 lays from night game over the years though anyways I approached a cute girl at a mall working the “hairstyle straighteners” stand today. I bs’d with her a bit that I’m looking for a product for moms bday then switched to personal convo. Chatted for few minutes she asked me where I’m from then told her where I’m from, she said I’m funny ect. Kept chatting for a minute or 2 since she was receptive about our ethnicities blah blah. She gave me a demo of the straighteners on her long hair.. she deff passes my boner test. Told her I’m not sold on those hairstyle products yet and that I think we should meet for a coffee so she could convince me then on a sale. She ended up giving me her business card but no personal # since she wasn’t totally comfortable handing out her digits yet she didn’t say if she’s taken or not. She said she works there weekends. She was overall pretty open to my approach. My question is should I be persistent and “accidentally” run into her there next weekend and ask her out for a drink or its a dead end? I’m a total noob to day game and I need advice here guys on next step. Thought I could be always direct next weekend & ask her out and say I would regret it if I didn’t at least try to get her out for a drink. Thank you in advance.

Post: #3742

(03-17-2019 11:08 AM)shareholder2018 Wrote:  

(03-16-2019 03:47 PM)TheMaleBrain Wrote:  

(03-09-2019 02:52 PM)TheMaleBrain Wrote:  Shit.
I noticed I havn't approached in a month!
Need to get back to it.

Finally pulled myself together.
I've been under a lot of pressure at work, and this resulted in actually not wanting to approach.

After an extremely long day and finishing my deadline at 22:30, I was beyond tired. There was a new social circle meeting at a pub near by (7 minute drive from home). Went there and met 9 guys and one girl.
It has been a very long time since I was the AMOG (Alpha Men On the Group). She gravitated toward me and it also helped that most of the people were just using their phones.
She was a 4"11, stocky girl. Would estimate her as HB5 on a good day. If she lost 25 pounds she would be HB6 or maybe HB6.5.
I moved next to her and started talking to her, then cold reading her. Since her character was somewhat similar to one of my MLTR, I treated her almost the same. It worked.
Within 45 minutes of conversation, and light touch, she put her hands on my knees. We were laughing and enjoying ourselves, and no one actually bothered with us. At the hour mark I told her to come outside, which she did. I tried to kiss her twice, but she gave me the chick.
Went back in and talked with the guys a little more till we decided to split. I walked her to her car and tried again. Did not work.

I knew that the next 2 days I had my regular two MLTRs lined up. So I told her good night.
Unsure if it is worth perusing. I have her phone from the Whatsapp group.

Did this happen in Israel? I mean, fat HB5 validating herself and giving signals and then refusing to continue further. That kind of shit happens usually in Anglo countries.

Yes
It was in Israel.

Post: #3743

Opened a hot 2-set last night whilst I was waiting for a friend in a bar.
I opened with a situational opener and commented something about I bet them they wouldn't be able to finish their drink before closing time (was some huge cocktail jug they were sharing) and they smiled. I asked what it was a one of them told me whilst the other one just looked away. I asked what they were up too and she kept her answer as short as possible and gave me like a split second signal with her eyes which I read as ''what the F do you want?'' lol. I told her that I was just waiting for a friend and then went into a cold read about her and what she might do for a job. The advice for ''after the open'' is always the same stuff (cold reads about her, assumptions, observations etc) but I find that it simply doesn't matter at all. The more approaches I make the less faith I have in 'game' tbh lol. She doesn't hook at all and already, just 40 seconds in or so, i'm struggling! Trying too avoid interview mode. I make an observation about something she is wearing. She still looks like she doesn't really want to talk, and he friend hasn't said a word but looks to be starring at her friend the whole time. Girl-coding about how to lose me I guess lol. I ask their names and I ask how they know each other. She gives a one word reply. I try to push the subject a little and do some kind of 'good girl, bad girl' thing but it doesn't land. I offer my name. At this point I really don't have anything. I've still not 'hooked' but then, I honestly feel like she was NEVER gonna hook no matter what I said. I simply wasn't their type. Didn't have time for any other approaches but found it a frustrating set. Feels like every set I know within 0.5 seconds whether I have a shot or not, and i'm never wrong lol

Post: #3744

@sub.

Imagine you are waiting for the bus at a bus stop. I walk up. Based on my appearance youre not sure if I'm homeless but you think theres a good chance i am because everytime a shabby looking guy talks to you on the street he turns out to be a bum asking for money.

I come up and say nice shoes. You smile and say thanks. I then stand there and ask you what kind they are. Then I ask where you got them. Then i ask what are you doing later.

In your head youre thinking Jesus this is annoying. What does they guy want!! Can he spit it out already. Ask me for money so i can politely say no and tell him to leave me the fuck alone.

That is you. That is EXACTLY how those women perceived you. You were providing them zero value (emotions) all you were doing was trying to leech social value from them.

Now compare that same scenario to a time a dude approached me while I was waiting for the subway. (This actually happened)

Him : hey man, what time is?
Me: *looks at phone* 11:55pm
Him: thanks.
Him: hey man what do you think of this jacket i just got it
Me : its cool i like it.

(He wasnt actively trying to game me but asking for the time got me invested. Asking for my advice got me more invested)

We both get on the train and we happen to sit near each other. He chats me up about how hes a promoter, throws parties, moved to the city a few years ago but is thinking about moving back to where hes from. We laugh, joke about women and dating. Hes like yo im headed to a party right now why dont you come itll be a cool time.

We moved in together last month. LOL kidding. He was a cool dude, we kicked it, went to a party and met a lot of cool people. He was offering me value the entire time, why would i turn it down?

Thats what you need to do to get the girls interested in talking to you. Offer value.

What do girls value? Fun and emotions (good, bad, surprised, etc).

You: You girls are champions, an entire pitcher between the two of you?
Girls: hahaha yeah i guess
(You made them laugh so you have a little social capital you can afford to spend on a question now)
You: wait, how do yall know each other?
Girls: weve been friends forever
You: yeah thats what i thought. *to the less cute one* i like you, you are cool. She *hotter one* is definitely trouble. She's a total heartbreaker. I bet she plays with guys hearts just for fun like an evil puppetmaster.
Girls: hahaha
You: you guys laugh cus you know its true. I bet she would always convince you to steal your parents liquior when you were like 15. You *ugly one* wouldnt want to do it but SHE would talk you into it. Then youd end up grounded for 2 months but she was so smooth shed *points at hot one* talk her way out of it and go party with boys for the month until you got ungrounded.
Girls: hahaha
You: *to hot girl* wait are you from *insert city semi close*?
Girl: no im from here.
You: really? You have a different energy about you. I find most girls from around here have this like cold indifferent stare but you have this warm energy, its strange. Wait you were born here?
Girl: yeah haha.
You: hmmmm interesting. Yeah shes definitely trouble. What are you guys doing tonight so i know where to avoid. My parole officer said i have to avoid troublemakers.

Do you see the difference between the vibe of that interaction and what you did. You tried to leech value (ew get away, is the natural response) I provided value (stay, you are fun!)

This is not an insult, simply an observation, you think you are in the starting lineup ready to go to the Superbowl but in reality youre in the parking lot grilling burgers on your tailgate. The only reason you think youre about to play is because you have a jersey on and you know what time the game starts.

Post: #3745

Actually. I feel like my interaction was a hell of a lot like your example lol (I done the ''good girl, bad girl routine'' like you mentioned), asked how they knew each other, used the 'trouble' line too possibly! (I don't remember using it, but I often do so there's a good chance I did). Cold reads (like you gave examples of in regards to her energy etc). Basically everything in your reply lol. The main difference is that in the hypotyetical example, the girls are 'loling', but in real life, they just blink! haha. I just feel like it was a non starter since i wasn't their type. OBvoiusly I also have good interactions where the girls hook fast, but I feel that happens when I am her type and when no amount of cold reads and 'adding value' such as the examples tend to make a difference

Post: #3746

You already shot yourself in the foot from the beginning. The second and third thing you said were pointless questions trying to seek rapport. Anything after that is just digging the hole deeper. I guarantee your body langauge, tonality, and pace were all super qualifying/leeching value.

You ever hear a good joke from a comedian and when you tell your friends they dont laugh. Comedy is all about very subtle dynamics. It doesnt matter if the comedian looks better than you or not. Same as game. You can say the perfect line and it wont hit the same.

You keep implying the girl has to decide she likes your look before she will laugh at your jokes.

Youre saying its physically impossible for a fat unattractive man to make a beautiful woman laugh? If you cant make a woman laugh is it your looks or your vibe?

I'm not even going to say a fat unattractive man can sleep with a beautiful woman but no one will argue he cant make her laugh or interested in what hes saying.

Lets break this down.

You make a joke. They smile. Then you ask WHAT ARE YOU DRINKING? then you ask WHAT ARE YOU DOING TONIGHT

Like who gives a fuck what theyre drinking or doing tonight. Do you care what a bum on the side of the road is drinking? Do you pull over and ask him?

The only reason you would ask a stranger that is because youre trying to seek rapport aka leech value aka you want their pussy (the most valuable thing they own)

You ever here about Gary's Vees book jab jab right hook? Offer value, offer value, close. You came in with offer value, leech value, leech value. By the time you got to any value stuff you were dead in the water.

Not to mention your value offerings were probably lame.

You need to understand the difference between
"You look like trouble" (likely what you said)

Compared to my

"You use to steal your parents liquor you troublemaker" story

NOT busting on you dude. Youre doing better than most people. Most people wouldnt even approach. You just need to learn more and make tweaks.


PS if you think our interactions were remotely close you dont understand the subtleties of game. Which is likely your problem. You are thinking too much about surface shit. (Dude! I told her she looked like trouble why didnt it work!!!) You have to dig deeper. Most people dont. Which is why most people suck.

Post: #3747

Sub every post i read from you has a negative or defeatist sentence added in for good measure. I understand feeling bad because of bad results but heck even when mentioning your age you had to throw in the "im old now". (i only read the first few and last few posts in your game thread so apologies if im off)

I think your overall vibe and mindset is wrong and girls pick up on it.

Post: #3748

I used to do day game mainly .
Nowadays, I go to social event to pick girls. I usually encounter this scenario.
Low-value ( at least lower than me ) is sticking with a girl or group of girls. This girl/girls doesn't look like she is enjoying it. She keeps looking around bored but she doesn't leave him as his company is better than nothing.
I want to approach, but how should I do it?
Should I just go in with an angel and slowly dominate the convo and then isolate the girl ?
Also, let's say I am at the end of the room and the girl is on the other end . She aknlowedge my presence.
Should I just walk from the end of the room straight to her ? or slowly move while chatting people in my way to her ?

Post: #3749

(03-30-2019 12:47 PM)Anchor Man Wrote:  I used to do day game mainly .
Nowadays, I go to social event to pick girls. I usually encounter this scenario.
Low-value ( at least lower than me ) is sticking with a girl or group of girls. This girl/girls doesn't look like she is enjoying it. She keeps looking around bored but she doesn't leave him as his company is better than nothing.
I want to approach, but how should I do it?
Should I just go in with an angel and slowly dominate the convo and then isolate the girl ?
Also, let's say I am at the end of the room and the girl is on the other end . She aknlowedge my presence.
Should I just walk from the end of the room straight to her ? or slowly move while chatting people in my way to her ?

Been there.
My advise - You should join the group, talk with everyone (or most), then start to isolate the target.
You should move in, but no speed up.

Post: #3750

In the subway. I was seated in a car and as it enters the station, standing right there on the platform, a tall, fit, late 20's brown skinned woman, professional-looking maybe Middle Eastern, in tight jeans, a 7, waiting for a different train. (I'm a tall, white, early 30's, college-educated, unemployed drifter in a hoodie and jeans with a bicycle at my side, long hair, an unkempt beard, and a reasonably good bone structure.) We make eye contact through the train car window and I interpret that as a possible IOI. Yet, she turns her whole body away and suddenly I'm directly at eye level with her amazing ass, and in my brain her SMV rapidly skyrockets to a 10.

Without thinking, I stand up out of my seat, walk out of the car and speak to her. "Hi, can I talk to you for a minute," I say. She turns to face me and meets my eyes. "Yes," she replies. In that moment, sadly, I sense that my body lacks physical excitement in her presence, even when looking directly into her eyes. I had beat the meat too recently, and was mentally spent from talking to my girlfriend on the phone for hours. There was no sensation at all other than my fatigue from my nocturnal activities of smoking weed, beating off and watching youtube videos, the mild stress or pressure of needing to justify my decision to get off a perfectly good train in order to speak to this woman, and the familiar, awkward discomfort of wanting nothing but sex from another human being, and knowing that such an outcome would require that I attempt to strike up a conversation, despite not having much of anything valuable to say to her. The motivation was low at that point, yet, having gotten her attention, and my train having left the station, guaranteeing that I'd be late to the appointment where I was headed in any event, I decided to at least make an attempt to get a conversation going and see whether my personality clicked with hers.

But, lacking that spark of excitement to motivate the part of me that becomes a fire-eyed clown, pleasing many women who naturally respond positively to my transparent expressions of genuine desire, and, searching for a follow-up remark, nothing coming to mind other than the fact that gazing upon her shapely ass caused me to miss my appointment, what spills out of my mouth is more or less: "I saw you through the window and you looked really pretty, so here I am talking to you, but I'm not really sure why," to which she replies "oh, I thought you were going to ask for directions or something." Then there is a pause of one or two seconds, where I don't respond, and she takes a few steps away from me and turns away, saying "sorry." I submit to her rejection with a nod and say "have a nice day" and walk down to the other end of the platform to wait for the next train headed for my destination.