@Batman_

Ideally you don't get sucked into the whole porn or masturbation thing in the first place. It all started when i was around 14 for me. I swear i had a tonne more energy back then with daily boners everyday to do things (unfortunately i didn't know what i should be doing then), something that i simply lack now and literally feel too lazy to do much of anything. There are so many young guys out there that will just get sucked into it because its what everyone else does and there's "nothing wrong with it" or "its healthy".

Yes, the easiest release is with real women, a girlfriend is probably the most reliable source assuming that's managed properly (a few times a month). Either way, whether with real girls, low quantity of masturbation without porn, or channeling it into work and whatever else, you need DISCIPLINE for all of it. No other way without at least some DISCIPLINE.

I never even said anything about regular orgasm but its definitely something to avoid as it increases your chances of caving in.

Hope I can offer a unique perspective. Masturbated for first time a week ago and I'm 21. No decrease in energy versus before. Your body just gets used to it and you even stop having frequent nocturnal emissions.

(03-16-2019 03:14 AM)a mans life Wrote:  Hope I can offer a unique perspective. Masturbated for first time a week ago and I'm 21. No decrease in energy versus before. Your body just gets used to it and you even stop having frequent nocturnal emissions.

Interesting you feel that way, but i know i felt absolutely the opposite after i began. Getting used to having less energy in your body is a bad thing.

I appreciate your perspective, but my own personal experience tells me that this is something i absolutely need to overcome. Overcoming porn has already done a lot for me and that was sometime ago.

I've set a plan of reducing my MO's from twice, to once a week etc until i'm in the opportunity to go at it with real women, where i simply won't need to anymore.

I really don't understand all the people that resort to PMO despite getting lots of bangs or having girlfriends (maybe if they have relationship issues). I would've thought that those guys would PMO less. Strange. I suppose its just a discipline thing.

I've been doing no fap with the occasional relapse since late 2017. It's great but a few warnings from my experience:

- Lowered standards. I fucked a 5 once when deep into it and one too many 6s. I will never forget that 5. Ever.

- Condoms. I think with my dick more and have had more risky sex. I just find it more difficult to think rationally and have self-control.

- Inverted standards. I once went for 18 days straight without ejaculating at all and I was basically mentally ill at the end of this. It was like I had a pussy radar where I could sense girls around me without even seeign them. By the end of this stretch, my standards also inverted so that I started liking thicc/bigger girls more than slim girls. My blood felt different. I don't know how to explain it. But I'm not sure going that long is good unless you're preparing for war.

The benefits are clear but it's better when you have a regular girl/girls.

Problem with me when doing no fap is that I get insane amounts of energy. My testosterone seems to jump the 145% and stay there.

I mean, I feel like sprinting just walking around after 2 weeks if I'm not pouring my energy into something productive. And I'm a hardcore addict. Talking 17 years, and I'm 30.

To say it's destroyed my potential is highly accurate.

(01-08-2019 12:38 PM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  day 8 of no porn , however no masturbation is tough. Masturbating about previous sex sessions or something in your brain , is great.

This is basically what I do. Porn has never appealed to me (I watched my last porno in 2012) but fapped almost daily that year to memory sex and the years after it. I have recently got back on the no-masturbation train and I have so much newfound energy. I noticed the other day when I came to work I started on my worklist right away, whereas before I would take at least an hour to "wake up" and get adjusted. Today I did an hour long hot yoga session and followed up right after with a two hour judo class. No way I would have had that energy to do that with fapping. I have even dieted keto before and still had less energy if I was still fapping.

Joined the NoFap train beginning of the year. Helped a lot. Screwed 7 girls the last 2 months when it has had super low priority (been focusing on work). I have noticed I emit this really good energy that people like to connect to. The majority of my social interactions are much better. I'm much more playful and my mouth is basically running loose talking shit.

Jerking off to porn frequently makes you weak, there is no doubt about it.

Restarting at Day 1 for me I was starting to get some real energy and stamina back and feeling much less fatigued. My eyes wouldn't get tired as quickly when focusing on tasks on a computer or phone screen for long periods of time. I noticed that my horniness levels were extremely high and my mind was obsessed with
sex and finding an outlet for release either in a woman or by my own powers. In the end I let my guard down and let something something I saw online lead to a non-salvagable situation ( damn you fine figured latinas! ).

The struggle and brain re-wiring process is definitely real and taxing on the mind and body while every system resets and heals itself from the damage caused. I've seen a lot of men online refuting the effects of recovery or claiming that they feel no different from when starting nofap. People need to keep in mind that every body and how it reacts to nofap is different and also depends on many factors: frequency of ejaculation before starting, fitness level, health and whether any issues are present, age, how long have you been jerking off before nofap (this ties in with frequency of course), etc. 90 days is just an arbitrary number in my opinion, a man should attempt 6 months before gauging improvement. Sometimes abstaining MUCH longer is needed for a reboot (years) and sometimes it isn't. Again it's all dependant on the individual. In any case we should all keep trucking on.

I've been doing nofap last week (I lasted 6 days) and now I am back on it again (3 days) and I feel depressed, I'm busy with work, university and go gym, is this just hormones regulating? I have no reason to feel bad

Nah, being busy is my best way too

Been on No Porn since January 6~. It was tough for the first 2-3 weeks, but I have no desire to watch it anymore.

Here's where I'm at

-Don't jerk it anymore. Though I have had a few slip ups.

-I avoid having sex more than 3-5 times a week.

-Sometimes I'll have sex without ejaculation if I'm pushing my weekly ejaculation limit, which really fires up her hamster since I offer no explanation. I find this hilarious.

My Observations

-My sex drive has gone down to what I consider a normal level for someone my age. I only want sex 10 times a week (I'm young). 3-5 times a week is what I aim for though. I view it like junk food and try to limit my intake despite the fact it's a base desire that I want everyday.

-I'm much more dominant with women. Not sure the cause, but I'll take it.

Final Thoughts

I feel more productive, but this isn't a "superpower" or anything like that. It is a preferable state compared to watching porn and ejaculating 8 days a week.

All in all, there is no benefit to watching porn or excessively jacking off. Plus, it's not natural.

So why do you do it? Does porn have any benefit on your life?

Tips for Making It

You really need to ask yourself why you want to do this. I've been doing this since 2012 for varying lengths of time, but never more than 30 days. Personally, I was always doing it because I wanted to get laid more and always failed.

I wasn't really successful at it until I was doing it for my own personal benefit.

Being busy helps too. Getting laid doesn't make it easier in my experience. I watched the most porn when I lived with my ex-GF and had sex 2-3 times a day. Actually, I think having frequent sex desensitizes you to real world sex, which makes you want to watch porn to turn you on. That's what happened with me at least.

(03-07-2019 05:18 PM)Batman_ Wrote:  It's all bullshit when you account for placebo.

If it changes your reality, then how is it bullshit?

My point being, there is no such thing as a placebo. You either get the desired result OR you don't. Placebo was just invented by the pharmaceutical industry to discount alternative treatment methods.

After having stuck with this for a while now I absolutely think that constant jerking off to porn makes men complacent and weak as fuck.

I probably still have a while to go before I reap the full rewards but this has been eye opening so far.

Out of embarrassment I don't think I posted on the thread after relapsing. It must have been only two weeks or so. And that was a month ago that I relapsed. It was one of those things where I was slightly hungover the next day and jerked off for a momentary boost. I regretted it immediately.

I find that i have trouble the first couple weeks, getting the streak going. As of today, I think I've gone 10 days without blowing a load. Yesterday I watched porn all day, literally whole day and didn't blow a load. Technically I cheated, whatever... But that's alright. Still haven't blown a load in 10 days. The energy is back, as well as the optimism and the drive to get something done. I'm gonna take it day by day this time, and try to minimize the drinking and computer usage. That's all I can do really.

I really would love to make it to a month, but who knows. Porn is powerful. I need to escape its grips.

(03-31-2019 11:11 PM)Heuristics Wrote:  As of today, I think I've gone 10 days without blowing a load. Yesterday I watched porn all day, literally whole day and didn't blow a load. Technically I cheated, whatever... But that's alright. Still haven't blown a load in 10 days.

Well that sounds like more of a waste of time than just blowing a load.

The more I experiment (by which I mean relapse to varying degrees) the more I think that porn is the main problem. I'm in an odd space. Porn doesn't excite me any more. My GF does, 100%. But when she's away for a week I sometimes can't stop myself looking.

Hello guys.

This whole month i made it with wanking without porn only twice a week for 4 weeks in this month. So only 8 times for the whole month, 2 times per each week. It actually felt pretty easy for me to hold off wanking and at times it actually felt a bit forced of me to wank. I felt like i could've gone for longer gaps without.

In this week as the start of a new month, i'm transitioning to one wank a week. I'll continue this for probably the next few months. I'll tell you guys how this goes after some time although it should be easy.

I already feel more productive and as if i all of a sudden have half a week more worth of time and energy to actually do useful things.

No Fap taken to extreme can be dangerous thing, once i went on a 2 weeks without PMO ended up banging a granny who looked hard 8 at the time, after i busted a nut inside her she turned into 3.

I get very aggressive when go without O for longer than a few days , what i have noticed is that cutting red meat from diet help keep aggression and its easier to fall asleep without a Need to cum.
Good strategy is to go vegetarian or semi vegetarian, you got to adjust your diet or else all these energy will fuck up your mind.
Having 400g raw steak is not helping unless you can channel it somehow but for most guys its real tough.

(04-01-2019 12:50 PM)Bananaman711 Wrote:  No Fap taken to extreme can be dangerous thing, once i went on a 2 weeks without PMO ended up banging a granny who looked hard 8 at the time, after i busted a nut inside her she turned into 3.

I get very aggressive when go without O for longer than a few days , what i have noticed is that cutting red meat from diet help keep aggression and its easier to fall asleep without a Need to cum.
Good strategy is to go vegetarian or semi vegetarian, you got to adjust your diet or else all these energy will fuck up your mind.
Having 400g raw steak is not helping unless you can channel it somehow but for most guys its real tough.

I went out on christmas (day 35 of nofap, longest streak for me ever) and some chick was prancing all over me... I don't know what it was but I must of smelled of testostrone or something. Needless to say, I didn't want to fuck her, but my body language and my penis was telling me a different story. I nearly got beat up by her friends later just because of the fact that SHE was all over me.

Heh, I just got a good incentive to drop the porno. So some asshole on a porn forum was claiming he'd seen some pussy shots of this really beautiful titty model on a site but they had disappeared. So I figured I could just write a bash script that would crawl the image directory of the website to see if there was anything there. Now my porn machine is my desktop pc, but .bat scripting is annoying so I figured I'll just do it on my mac laptop with an easy bash script. Didn't actually find anything, but the salient part is that now my non-porn machine has a directory filled with softcore nudity.

So just now I'm at Starbucks and the stupid fucking computer decides to spontaneously open the finder, pointed to just that directory with a nice big thumbnail image of a naked lady covering half the screen and the window itself is in some fullscreen mode so I can't immediately see where to click to close the window and I hit the power button in a panic. Then the computer restarts and can't find the OS and brings up the disk utility so now I'm thinking "oh shit I fried the HD somehow". Luckily the second restart was normal.

So the moral of the story is don't masturbate or else when you go to a coffee shop a fat middle-aged Chinese woman that's staring in your general direction might see something.

(03-27-2019 09:29 AM)VNvet Wrote:  

(03-07-2019 05:18 PM)Batman_ Wrote:  It's all bullshit when you account for placebo.

If it changes your reality, then how is it bullshit?

My point being, there is no such thing as a placebo. You either get the desired result OR you don't. Placebo was just invented by the pharmaceutical industry to discount alternative treatment methods.

It's also been shown that people in AA are successful because the mere belief in a greater power can change their reality. I'm not discrediting the placebo effect as a powerful thing.

But I'd like people to stop spreading so much anecdote and speculation. This is new ground and there is way too much misinformation.

(04-01-2019 07:39 PM)Batman_ Wrote:  

(03-27-2019 09:29 AM)VNvet Wrote:  

(03-07-2019 05:18 PM)Batman_ Wrote:  It's all bullshit when you account for placebo.

If it changes your reality, then how is it bullshit?

My point being, there is no such thing as a placebo. You either get the desired result OR you don't. Placebo was just invented by the pharmaceutical industry to discount alternative treatment methods.

It's also been shown that people in AA are successful because the mere belief in a greater power can change their reality. I'm not discrediting the placebo effect as a powerful thing.

But I'd like people to stop spreading so much anecdote and speculation. This is new ground and there is way too much misinformation.

I agree the mind is a powerful thing. Strangely enough, AA doesn't release numbers on the effectiveness of their program; take that as you will. It also has a quasi-religious component, which for some people, qualifies it as cult-like.

The fundamental problem here is the lack of research on the effects of pornography, and that the medical establishment, especially the sexologists are pushing porn as well as masturbation. (I think this is the result of that whack Kinsey guy who basically made a lot of shit up, and has put the profession on a bad foundation). The research will only arrive too late, and at that point, we will already be fucked. Exercise caution towards any assumptions on memes the establishment pushes on you.

(04-01-2019 12:50 PM)Bananaman711 Wrote:  No Fap taken to extreme can be dangerous thing, once i went on a 2 weeks without PMO ended up banging a granny who looked hard 8 at the time, after i busted a nut inside her she turned into 3.

I get very aggressive when go without O for longer than a few days , what i have noticed is that cutting red meat from diet help keep aggression and its easier to fall asleep without a Need to cum.
Good strategy is to go vegetarian or semi vegetarian, you got to adjust your diet or else all these energy will fuck up your mind.
Having 400g raw steak is not helping unless you can channel it somehow but for most guys its real tough.

This sounds more like a case of you lacking self-control than anything related to NoFap. Or perhaps you're experiencing withdraw symptoms.

Anyway, getting "very aggressive" after a few days without O is certainly not normal.

Back at it again 16 days. One of my longest streaks ever. Hoping I can continue positively channeling all this extra energy I have into productive outlets.

(04-01-2019 09:30 AM)Cr33pin Wrote:  

Its actually a pretty interesting video, especially given the guy is a family man with 3 kids. He absolutely gets down to the core of what it does to you.

His only solution is really go to Church and pray lol. Despite this sounding silly when i first heard it, its actually something seriously worth considering and a small inconvenience if it actually works. I know i'd personally have no problem at least crossing myself for good luck when i wake up and before i go to sleep.

The church and religion really was a major core of European society for hundreds and thousands of years and its destruction and subversion is partly to blame for the lack of restrains on porn access. Until the late 19th century, it was hard to find any form of porn being publicly distributed.

RIP Old World Order.

Failed many times and stopped trying for some time, I've decided to make more changes than just nofap so I hope that at least some of them sticks.

Going for permanent no porn and as long as I can between faps, ideally no solo for a long long time which could help me finally start opening, talking and gaming girls again.

day 0 today.