(01-20-2019 04:40 PM)Rush_More Wrote:  It's very scary but I feel modern porn is a big reason behind guys who give up finding a girlfriend, because why opt for a normal 4/10 when you have millions of 10's just a click away on your screen? The whole VR craze will only make it much worse.

The end game will be the rise of sex bots.

Imagine a robot with 100% human-like appearance - eg when you touch it, it feels like human skin.

Imagine you could buy such a woman-robot, and you could not tell the difference with a real woman (in terms of outside appearance and how sex feels).

Imagine having such a robot programmed to love you unconditionally, ignore all other men, and be 10/10 horny all the time


Now imagine your average incel man being able to rent an apartment with 3 of these sex-bots. Say a redhead, a blonde, and a latina, all of them hard 10s.

The sexual market place will cease to exist as we know it.

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(01-20-2019 05:44 PM)the.king Wrote:  

(01-20-2019 04:40 PM)Rush_More Wrote:  It's very scary but I feel modern porn is a big reason behind guys who give up finding a girlfriend, because why opt for a normal 4/10 when you have millions of 10's just a click away on your screen? The whole VR craze will only make it much worse.

The end game will be the rise of sex bots.

Imagine a robot with 100% human-like appearance - eg when you touch it, it feels like human skin.

Imagine you could buy such a woman-robot, and you could not tell the difference with a real woman (in terms of outside appearance and how sex feels).

Imagine having such a robot programmed to love you unconditionally, ignore all other men, and be 10/10 horny all the time


Now imagine your average incel man being able to rent an apartment with 3 of these sex-bots. Say a redhead, a blonde, and a latina, all of them hard 10s.

The sexual market place will cease to exist as we know it.

All good points, I think it’s just proof of how badly our governments are letting us down in the name of “profit”. Don’t they see how corrupted society has become in the space of only 50 years. The divide between incel men and chad men will get even bigger, whilst the government cucks keep wondering why the birth rates continue to plummet.

^ None of the (((government))) cucks actually wonder why the birth rate is falling. That's the plan.

Besides, YOU can choose to defy it. Take a women under heel, the best you can, and knock her up a few times. Bear the suffering for the sake of the future, where your grandsons may have better opportunity than you. That's the human condition.

The alternative is porn dolls - and I'm sure you won't look back fondly on that as an old man, who wasn't brave, and didn't try hard enough, but still has his doll collection.

The attached pic was something that I posted in another thread. I must have been responsible for killing about a million of kittens by now. Perhaps it is time for me to stop.

Hey fellas.

I'm new here, but I wanna pick this up again. I had a 90 day streak earlier this year and it was dope as hell. I need to do this again and just make it a whole damn year. Wish me luck.

I just read a very interesting article pertaining to Ayurvedic medicine that touches on this subject. Here are some pertinent excerpts:

Quote:According to Ayurveda, there is a special substance in the body that governs aging, immunity, radiant skin, vigor, mood, sleep, digestion, spirituality, and physical strength. This substance is called ojas (OH-jas).

In Sanskrit, ojas has two prominent meanings. In the context of physical health and vitality, it means “vigor, virility, and vitality.” In the context of spiritual and emotional well-being, it is “the physiological expression of consciousness.”

Ojas is considered the most refined byproduct of digestion. While complete digestion of a meal is said to take around 24 hours, it takes a full 30 days for the body to digest food and refine it enough to manufacture ojas.

Unfortunately, during those 30 days, many factors can undermine its production. Therefore, many people have depleted ojas and lack the vigor, immunity, and radiant glow they long for.

* * *

Since production of reproductive fluid is the last step before supreme ojas is made, the reproductive fluid carries all of the accumulated ojas getting ready to be stored in the heart. Excessive sex can deplete the ojas both in the sperm and ovum, prevent supreme ojas from entering the heart, and even deplete the reserves of ojas in the heart. Multiple orgasms a day or sex every day for extended periods will deplete reserves.

* * *

Shukra is the reproductive fluid. Excessive sex will deplete this precious substance. Studies suggest that stress triggers the release of excess progesterone and cortisol. If stress is chronic, progesterone may become depleted as it is a direct precursor to the body’s major stress hormone cortisol.

https://lifespa.com/got-ojas-nourish-you...69de1401fa

I managed a full month of No Fap so far. Note that I also did No sugar so that might have influenced results. These are some of my observations:

-It is damn hard, really it is. My sexdrive got a lot higher and I wake up with morning boners pretty much daily (before not so much). I also remember my dreams vividly which is interesting. Gonna read through this thread again to see what guys who are doing this long term are saying, you guys are beasts!
-I am quite certain my testosterone is up and it has some positive effects, a bit more focus at work, a bit better energy in the gym, girls pay more notice to me, especially in nightlife. None of these I can say are 100% certain, but I would bet they are real effects. Muscle recovery seems to have improved as well and in competitive sports, I became even more aggressive than I already was.
-Interaction with girls has changed. Before when I girl I was fucking or had a chance of fucking would act out, I would put her in her place, jerk off and give her no more time. Now I tell her to come over just to bust a nut. It kind of works because you just ignore bad behavior, fuck em and that's it, but somehow I don't think this can be good in the long term. I just have plates so for me it doesn't matter too much but for some of you in long term relations...
-Sexual chats and flirty messages are done also for me, you don't want the temptation, although when really horny you might not be able to help yourself. Fuck those slutty WhatsApp status updates damn it, they make me lose focus! This might be strange to some of my distant girls, who must feel like my desire for them has decreased, where it actually has increased. Closeby girls will see an increase in attention.
-Jerking it as way to fall asleep or to de-stress is no longer an option, which is a negative.

I had to do this because I had a penile injury that needed healing.

I had 40 days abstinence and it healed after 50 days, a week ago, which is great.

Since then I have M'd twice and mentally I feel like shit. I literally have a headache and feel nauseous

Back to abstinence I go now

I was up to 35 days in December and gave it up. Bad idea, I was doing great again.

I'm already at a week again, this time I'm shooting for 60-90 days minimum.

(02-13-2019 09:20 AM)Heuristics Wrote:  I was up to 35 days in December and gave it up. Bad idea, I was doing great again.

I'm already at a week again, this time I'm shooting for 60-90 days minimum.

Well gents, I've made it to two weeks again... In total I've only made it this far 10 or so times, and maybe 5 or 6 times consciously. Entering dangerous relapse territory today and had a close call in the shower today. Anyway I'm ok. I make it another week and it'll be my second or third longest streak.

Noticing again that I'm more confident, waking up daily before my alarm goes off, morning wood, getting solid sleep, and am noticing literally every woman.

I saw some risque photos on insta, it was not my fault, and I had to shut down the app immediately. My wing showed me some photos of his ex the other day, and I was silently like, "shit, why didn't he give me a trigger warning."

I am wearing a non-stop shit-eating grin. I also no longer feel like taking shit from anyone.

I'm going to try to continue this streak-- I am already noticing how much more productive I am.

by the end of week two, i notice a see-saw of emotions.

I have to be really careful about alcohol now. I am not drinking to get drunk anymore, but if I encounter one serious hangover, it will be game over. Just last night I had about 4 shots of Chivas Regal while on my computer doing some research (thankfully didn't look at any photos), and I've been dying the whole day, trying to make it through work... And to try to avoid the hyper-sexual thoughts which I have, which showed up today with a special vengeance.

Entertaining the idea of getting a new buzzcut. Last time when I started my longest streak I got a buzzcut and told myself I was gonna get a new one the next time I relapsed. Anyway, maybe it will help. A noticeable reminder of no-fap.

Cold showers help as well, but I have been slacking the past few days, it has been really cold here, and I need some warm water.

Been on a month+ long streak.

So far so good - have been absolutely destroying my LTR. Her report indicates that it's bigger and harder than ever. Used a condom on her yesterday because she has a yeast infection (yuck) and I remained rock solid the entire time.

That aside, have not noticed much additional benefit besides a deeper and smoother voice and somewhat reduced bacne. All in all still worth it.

(02-20-2019 04:54 PM)Investment Bro Wrote:  Been on a month+ long streak.

So far so good - have been absolutely destroying my LTR. Her report indicates that it's bigger and harder than ever. Used a condom on her yesterday because she has a yeast infection (yuck) and I remained rock solid the entire time.

That aside, have not noticed much additional benefit besides a deeper and smoother voice and somewhat reduced bacne. All in all still worth it.

So... what's it like making it past a month... the longest I made it was 35 days. And it was nearly unbearable at that point, and I was going out nightly trying to socialize and game as much as possible. I've noticed too that on long streaks i speak more deliberately and with slightly lower tone.

(02-20-2019 05:48 PM)Heuristics Wrote:  So... what's it like making it past a month... the longest I made it was 35 days. And it was nearly unbearable at that point, and I was going out nightly trying to socialize and game as much as possible. I've noticed too that on long streaks i speak more deliberately and with slightly lower tone.

There's a massive difference if you are having sex or not for me. I believe I can go no fap for ages if I'm busting a nut (through sex) at least once every 15-20 days or so (maximum personal limit).

Its impossible to focus on anything if I haven't nut in longer than 15-20 days.

2 weeks without orgasm makes my blood boil over things like watching a woman's legs in a skirt and high heels, whereas before watching porn for 2 days straight = I couldn't get hard unless some pretty hardcore shit was going on.


I am on no fap since 10 January 2019, and I'm going for a full 12 months of no fap.

(02-21-2019 06:25 AM)the.king Wrote:  There's a massive difference if you are having sex or not for me. I believe I can go no fap for ages if I'm busting a nut (through sex) at least once every 15-20 days or so (maximum personal limit).

Its impossible to focus on anything if I haven't nut in longer than 15-20 days.

2 weeks without orgasm makes my blood boil over things like watching a woman's legs in a skirt and high heels, whereas before watching porn for 2 days straight = I couldn't get hard unless some pretty hardcore shit was going on.

Now imagine being on a dry spell and taking zinc.

(02-20-2019 05:48 PM)Heuristics Wrote:  

(02-20-2019 04:54 PM)Investment Bro Wrote:  Been on a month+ long streak.

So far so good - have been absolutely destroying my LTR. Her report indicates that it's bigger and harder than ever. Used a condom on her yesterday because she has a yeast infection (yuck) and I remained rock solid the entire time.

That aside, have not noticed much additional benefit besides a deeper and smoother voice and somewhat reduced bacne. All in all still worth it.

So... what's it like making it past a month... the longest I made it was 35 days. And it was nearly unbearable at that point, and I was going out nightly trying to socialize and game as much as possible. I've noticed too that on long streaks i speak more deliberately and with slightly lower tone.

I'm having sex every day with some combination of my LTR/plates so it isn't hard. Now if you're completely monk mode, that is difficult. I managed 90 days of that back in college, and there would be days where I was so fired up I approached everything in sight to just get a bang.

The most natural way to reset in my opinion is to trade porn and masturbation for regular sex with a woman you care about/love. To me this feels the most healthy.

(02-21-2019 09:54 AM)Investment Bro Wrote:  The most natural way to reset in my opinion is to trade porn and masturbation for regular sex with a woman you care about/love. To me this feels the most healthy.

Not only the most natural way, it is the only way. If you are a normal, healthy male, you must have sexual release. Having no sex AND no masturbation in life is unnatural and will lead to excessive thirst and complete craziness. I feel pity for some people who could be described as incels or full MGTOWs doing nofap/noporn. This is some grade A material for becoming a mass shooter!

(02-21-2019 06:25 AM)the.king Wrote:  

(02-20-2019 05:48 PM)Heuristics Wrote:  So... what's it like making it past a month... the longest I made it was 35 days. And it was nearly unbearable at that point, and I was going out nightly trying to socialize and game as much as possible. I've noticed too that on long streaks i speak more deliberately and with slightly lower tone.

There's a massive difference if you are having sex or not for me. I believe I can go no fap for ages if I'm busting a nut (through sex) at least once every 15-20 days or so (maximum personal limit).

Its impossible to focus on anything if I haven't nut in longer than 15-20 days.

2 weeks without orgasm makes my blood boil over things like watching a woman's legs in a skirt and high heels, whereas before watching porn for 2 days straight = I couldn't get hard unless some pretty hardcore shit was going on.


I am on no fap since 10 January 2019, and I'm going for a full 12 months of no fap.

Damn props for doing the full year bro. Yeah by two weeks I can't get sex out of my head, literally every waking moment spent thinking about it.

Notice every woman.

(02-21-2019 09:54 AM)Investment Bro Wrote:  

(02-20-2019 05:48 PM)Heuristics Wrote:  

(02-20-2019 04:54 PM)Investment Bro Wrote:  Been on a month+ long streak.

So far so good - have been absolutely destroying my LTR. Her report indicates that it's bigger and harder than ever. Used a condom on her yesterday because she has a yeast infection (yuck) and I remained rock solid the entire time.

That aside, have not noticed much additional benefit besides a deeper and smoother voice and somewhat reduced bacne. All in all still worth it.

So... what's it like making it past a month... the longest I made it was 35 days. And it was nearly unbearable at that point, and I was going out nightly trying to socialize and game as much as possible. I've noticed too that on long streaks i speak more deliberately and with slightly lower tone.

I'm having sex every day with some combination of my LTR/plates so it isn't hard. Now if you're completely monk mode, that is difficult. I managed 90 days of that back in college, and there would be days where I was so fired up I approached everything in sight to just get a bang.

The most natural way to reset in my opinion is to trade porn and masturbation for regular sex with a woman you care about/love. To me this feels the most healthy.

The nights were I gamed the hardest and was also the most aggressive were nights were I had done no-fap 2 weeks plus. If I left the bar without doing sets, would feel like a complete failure.

I hope I can make it to 60-90 days, maybe more.

Been doing no fap on and off over the last few years. I've posted before in this thread but after getting back on the train... (I'm somwhere around 10-13 days at the moment)

... I'm 100% convinced that having an orgasm more than about twice a month has negative effects on my quality of life, in all the areas that people talk about.

While not jerking off all the time I'm:

* More focused
* More content in general
* More aggressive about getting my goals(in a good way)
* Men & Women treat me differently after about 7+ days. (Napoleon Hill talks about this "magnetism" that having a high sex drive gives you)
* I'm more social with men and women

To the people who find it hard to not think about sex after the 2-3 week mark I'll tell you this..

(This has been true for myself) The harder you work at your goals and the more you structure and plan your day around those goals the less you'll think about sex.

In fact, I believe the reason you're stuck on sex is because you're not redirecting that energy into your goals.

Some of are you thinking "bullshit" or think you just have a higher sex drive than me but I'll tell you this....

I've done nofap before and found the same thing.... Around 2-3 weeks it becomes unbearable and you just give in....

But what is the one constant about all the times we give in to that urge?

...We aren't on our purpose (shoutout to AMS) or we aren't chasing our goals. Youre just hanging out by yourself doing nothing.

That used to be me

In the last year I've started a business and now have a full time employee and I've commited myself to big goals in all areas of my life and I'm finding that I'm so focused, and I'm putting so much energy into them that the days over before I've thought about jerking off.

Every time i jerk off it's usually because I didn't plan that time period for that day.

No fap gives me more energy to attack my goals and the success I'm seeing only reinforces not going back to jerking off 1-7 times a week.

I'm not at all convinced that completely abstaining from fapping is a good thing; the benefits are overblown and risks ignored. I have experienced that repurposing of sexual energy towards other pursuits while abstaining, however if I go more than 2 weeks without fapping I start to have wet dreams all the fucking time, and it becomes even more problematic.

What many people fail to understand is that fapping to porn is what's truly damaging. Hell even looking at porn without fapping is FAR more harmful than fapping on its own.

All the literature i've looked at his drawn a link between porn addiction and neurological/behavioral problems, not fapping by itself. If you go a year without fapping but look at porn the whole time you haven't accomplished anything.

This guy breaks down retention and adds some interesting points that I don't believe I've seen in this thread

(03-07-2019 01:42 PM)BlastbeatCasanova Wrote:  



This guy breaks down retention and adds some interesting points that I don't believe I've seen in this thread

Who cares about anecdote? It's all bullshit when you account for placebo.

Hello guys, I'm a new RooshV forum member and this is my first post. I've been following this thread with keen interest and been a passive reader of the forum for the past few months.

I've read through all the first 18 pages of this thread so far.

Wanking is a massive issue and i've slowly begun to phase out of it (especially the not watching porn at all, done that easy for many months). My biggest problem with it is that it just drains your energy and I just wonder around semi useless and lazy for the next 2 days or so.

I've tried many times to just go full no PMO but i've had my best at around 2 months than just caved in.

Here's my take on it:
Its absolutely worth it, especially the no porn part (watching it is like pouring poison into your brain, especially some of the messed up categories).
The problem is that you just can't have all this sexual energy grow in your body without doing something about it.
By default, everyone addicted to wanking and porn will just vent it out in the worst way possible.

I'm inclined to believe that the solution is to shift your sexual energy into other things; the several types of work you do (private income, job, studies, fitness, etc), and sex with real women.

Unfortunately i'm young and i still live with my parents, so the way they are really means i'm logistically disabled from going out and getting laid with chicks (although i've done it twice some time ago).

Basically, what i've started doing since the start of this month is to only allow myself to do this 2 times (2 ejacs) a week (weekend). Next month i plan on transitioning to only once a week (1 ejac) and holding that for a few months while i channel my energy into muscle building, studies and private income growth. I really could do with more discipline instead of wasting time on browsing the forum, youtube, alternative media and other entertainment but that's another issue.

Eventually, i'll leave my parent's home around when i leave the west after 2 years. (Have to finish studies and still need to earn at least a few $k to sustain myself, a few short trips will have to do till then)

I hope everyone has drastically improved here since they started with this. I still see some forum members commenting here that were back in the first 18 pages ...

(03-14-2019 11:59 PM)KnjazMihailo Wrote:  Hello guys, I'm a new RooshV forum member and this is my first post. I've been following this thread with keen interest and been a passive reader of the forum for the past few months.

I've read through all the first 18 pages of this thread so far.

Wanking is a massive issue and i've slowly begun to phase out of it (especially the not watching porn at all, done that easy for many months). My biggest problem with it is that it just drains your energy and I just wonder around semi useless and lazy for the next 2 days or so.

I've tried many times to just go full no PMO but i've had my best at around 2 months than just caved in.

Here's my take on it:
Its absolutely worth it, especially the no porn part (watching it is like pouring poison into your brain, especially some of the messed up categories).
The problem is that you just can't have all this sexual energy grow in your body without doing something about it.
By default, everyone addicted to wanking and porn will just vent it out in the worst way possible.

I'm inclined to believe that the solution is to shift your sexual energy into other things; the several types of work you do (private income, job, studies, fitness, etc), and sex with real women.

Unfortunately i'm young and i still live with my parents, so the way they are really means i'm logistically disabled from going out and getting laid with chicks (although i've done it twice some time ago).

Basically, what i've started doing since the start of this month is to only allow myself to do this 2 times (2 ejacs) a week (weekend). Next month i plan on transitioning to only once a week (1 ejac) and holding that for a few months while i channel my energy into muscle building, studies and private income growth. I really could do with more discipline instead of wasting time on browsing the forum, youtube, alternative media and other entertainment but that's another issue.

Eventually, i'll leave my parent's home around when i leave the west after 2 years. (Have to finish studies and still need to earn at least a few $k to sustain myself, a few short trips will have to do till then)

I hope everyone has drastically improved here since they started with this. I still see some forum members commenting here that were back in the first 18 pages ...

Sounds like you have a realistic grasp on this problem. From what I remember reading it's optimal to fap about once a week for stabilizing hormone levels (although I'm a bit skeptical that regular orgasm is necessary, most primates don't masturbate to orgasm, but maybe humans are different), and I think it may be necessary if you're going to give up porn for good. It's quite hard to "repurpose" all that pent up sexual energy if you're not getting laid all the time. Even if you manage to resist, in many cases people experience a "flatline" for months or years, where the basically become asexual. Not good unless you want to become a monk.